Is this illegal?

[Kojak]

I am not saying admins are doing a bad job.

I am just trying to understand why you kick those who don't break the rules. Why do we even need the rules then, if you can't properly enforce them? 

We don't kick those who don't break the rules, and the rules are properly enforced. Give me some examples of people who were kicked for making 'illegal ads' when they were genuinely trying to promote a legitimate business.

[Mario_Rinna]

We don't kick those who don't break the rules, and the rules are properly enforced. Give me some examples of people who were kicked for making 'illegal ads' when they were genuinely trying to promote a legitimate business.

You don't have to look further than two pages back.

I hate it when I'm actually selling tea and admins kick me for illegal /ad.

[JayL]

Why not just let the ''ambiguous advertisements'' be dealt with by cops?

I'm sure there will be cops looking for these potential criminals and that will give them more things to do. Not just regular police but the FBI could also spend some of their time doing it, I don't know. May be more productive than taking risks with a kick?

It's not like the current price of advertisement is very business-friendly anyway.

[Kojak]

I hate it when I'm actually selling tea and admins kick me for illegal /ad.

This player has never been kicked, or any other action taken against him, for making illegal ads.

Even if he had been, there is no confirmation that he was in fact selling tea so his statement can hardly be used as an example.

Why not just let the ''ambiguous advertisements'' be dealt with by cops?

This has already been asked and answered, it was tried but general chat became inundated with ads for drugs and guns to the point that it disrupted any other conversation.

[Mario_Rinna]

This player has never been kicked, or any other action taken against him, for making illegal ads.

Even if he had been, there is no confirmation that he was in fact selling tea so his statement can hardly be used as an example.

And there is usually no confirmation that people are in fact selling drugs, yet they get kicked. :rules:

[Kojak]

Admins make decisions based on what they see; there is only one case that any of this is relevant to and that is the one made by the OP and in this case it is confirmed that he was trying to circumvent the rules. I have seen many examples of people getting kicked when they were trying to circumvent the rules, but I have not seen any cases where someone was wrongly kicked for the same reasons.

The only kicks I have seen for making illegal ads are ones where the player was clearly trying to break the rules but got caught, if you are aware of clear cases where a player genuinely trying to promote a legitimate business has been kicked for making illegal ads then show me examples and if the admin in question was wrong I will follow it up.

[Mario_Rinna]

Admins make decisions based on what they see; there is only one case that any of this is relevant to and that is the one made by the OP and in this case it is confirmed that he was trying to circumvent the rules. I have seen many examples of people getting kicked when they were trying to circumvent the rules, but I have not seen any cases where someone was wrongly kicked for the same reasons.

The only kicks I have seen for making illegal ads are ones where the player was clearly trying to break the rules but got caught, if you are aware of clear cases where a player genuinely trying to promote a legitimate business has been kicked for making illegal ads then show me examples and if the admin in question was wrong I will follow it up.

While I don't have the time to sit in front of a PC 24/7 and record all kicks for said reason, I suggest you conduct a research and analyse the logs. Then we will have a better understanding of what is going on. 

[Kojak]

While I don't have the time to sit in front of a PC 24/7 and record all kicks for said reason, I suggest you conduct a research and analyse the logs. Then we will have a better understanding of what is going on. 

I don't need to, I see all the actions that the admins take and I am satisfied that no one is being unfairly kicked for making illegal ads. In addition we receive complaints from time to time about admins and amongst those complaints I have never seen one that is about being kicked unfairly for making illegal ads.

You're the one who is arguing against the rule so you come up with something to persuade me that there is a problem with it.

[Antonio.]

The thing is, some admins jump to conclusions about some advertisements being illegal, they should wait and investigate it before giving out a punishment.

[Mario_Rinna]

The thing is, some admins jump to conclusions about some advertisements being illegal, they should wait and investigate it before giving out a punishment.

Pretty much what I am trying to tell you, Kojak.

You're the one who is arguing against the rule so you come up with something to persuade me that there is a problem with it.

It's not the rule, it's the way it is enforced.

[Kojak]

The thing is, some admins jump to conclusions about some advertisements being illegal, they should wait and investigate it before giving out a punishment.

They do jump to conclusions, and in my experience they jump to the correct one. If the ad is ambiguous enough, there is nothing to investigate because they won't kick for that. But if it is obvious, again there is nothing to investigate because it's obvious.

It's not the rule, it's the way it is enforced.

There is nothing wrong with the way it is being enforced, like I have said I have not seen one example of a person being wrongly kicked for this and seemingly neither have you. There is no log that can prove intent, so our admins use their common sense and intelligence which is an attribute they all share.

[Antonio.]

They do jump to conclusions, and in my experience they jump to the correct one. If the ad is ambiguous enough, there is nothing to investigate because they won't kick for that. But if it is obvious, again there is nothing to investigate because it's obvious.

Okay, let's use the example Truth pointed out. If you are REALLY selling some damn tea, and I would think Truth is selling tea because he owns a farm, and he just follows his own roleplay. Well, if an admin just assumes that he is selling weed and punishes him, the rule isn't supposed to be enforced like that. Administrators can wait for some time, and see if the player is really selling tea, or if he is actually buying drugs. And then, they can enforce the rule.

[Kojak]

Okay, let's use the example Truth pointed out. If you are REALLY selling some damn tea, and I would think Truth is selling tea because he owns a farm, and he just follows his own roleplay. Well, if an admin just assumes that he is selling weed and punishes him, the rule isn't supposed to be enforced like that. Administrators can wait for some time, and see if the player is really selling tea, or if he is actually buying drugs. And then, they can enforce the rule.

But no action has ever been taken against Truth for making illegal ads, despite what he says, so clearly the way the rules are enforced works fine. The right people are getting kicked, and no one is being kicked wrongly.

[Antonio.]

But no action has ever been taken against Truth for making illegal ads, despite what he says, so clearly the way the rules are enforced works fine. The right people are getting kicked, and no one is being kicked wrongly.

And how do you actually know that? Administrators are not psychics...

Edit: And by the administrators actually taking time to do this, they should be more strict on the punishments, depending on it it's a new player, regular or a veteran.

[Kojak]

And how do you actually know that? Administrators are not psychics...

I don't need to be psychic when I have logs.