For ALL to read - clarification on when you may ask for INVESTIGATION...

[rJCaiG]

Myself and every police officer on the server are sick and tired of dealing with every single suspect asking for an investigation, no matter what the situation is.
I'm here to clear it up and make sure you're all well aware of when you can ask for investigation and when you cannot:
You may NOT ask for an investigation if you EVADE after being SUSPECTED. Even if it's for a silly crime, evasion is an admission of guilt. You do not get investigated.
You may NOT ask for an investigation if you OPEN FIRE ON AN OFFICER. If this happens, I encourage the officer to resus for 'assault' so the suspect cannot cry about it
You may NOT ask for an investigation if the officer SEES YOU committing the crime. You shoot at someone for no reason. Cop sees it. He suspects you. You can't ask for an investigation about that, that's bullshit.
You MAY ask for an investigation if you feel that your crime is legitimately WRONG. For example, someone suspects you for shooting, when it was the guy beside you.
You MAY ask for an investigation if you have been abused. For example, you get suspected for "you suck" or "noob" or "looked at me funny". These are bullshit reasons. In fact, you should probably ask an admin for unsus in these situations.

In the follow situation this guy was wrong for asking for investigation...

[00:15:20] Kurt_Armstrong(71) was suspected by officer GiacJr(41) for reckless driving
[00:15:33] <Kurt_Armstrong> (71) OMG COPS LEARN /S1,/S2
[00:15:36] GiacJr(41) shouts megaphone): exit the vehicle now
[00:15:36] Criminal Kurt_Armstrong(71) wants to surrender. Hold your fire and wait for them to be on foot
[00:15:39] Criminal Kurt_Armstrong(71) surrendered. DO NOT KILL THEM, cuff then jail them
[00:15:54] GiacJr(41) cuffs the man
[00:15:55] Player cuffed
[00:16:09] GiacJr(41) puts him in the back
[00:16:13] Kurt_Armstrong(71) says: I want investigation btw.
[00:16:26] Kurt_Armstrong(71) says: I didnt Evaded So I want investigation.

If I see you driving over sidewalks, speeding, on the wrong side of the road and suspect you for reckless driving, do NOT expect an investigation...

I will be adding real scenarios to this topic as they happen, just so you will be more aware of the various situations where you may and may not request an investigation. I know it seems like fun to waste an officer's time, but honestly, it's more frustrating than you could imagine.

Thanks,
SAPD Officer
GiacJr

[newguy]

And this is one of the reasons why I own a stuntplane.

[Chris_Knight]

DM,Carkill is valid crimes,please read this topic http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=3778.0 ,aproved and stickied by CMD Staff .

[rJCaiG]

DM,Carkill is valid crimes,please read this topic http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=3778.0 ,aproved and stickied by CMD Staff .

I will edit the example, thank you for posting.

[Squeak]

Someone should sticky this and add it to /help, seeing people moan about it is a  :flame:

If I see you driving over sidewalks, speeding, on the wrong side of the road and suspect you for reckless driving, do NOT expect an investigation...

2F4U :cool:



old school postan

[=AV=Craft]

Well if a cop is going to abuse you why do you think he say he saw it??

[Dan_The_Noob]

This ain't gonna stop me asking, maybe you cops should just stop complaining  :cool:

[Que]

This gives the criminal no chance of ever winning over an officer as every time he asks for an investigation; he is obviously wrong.

Cop sees Billy drive on the sidewalk whilst it was not in Billy's opinion, Billy asks for an investigation because he believes the cop saw wrong.
Billy is denied an investigation because the cop saw right and Billy has no right to ask for an investigation so he rather give up or die.
Billy gives up and once again; asks for an investigation. Billy is once again denied and do now face some time behind bars.

[Julio.]

This ain't gonna stop me asking, maybe you cops should just stop complaining  :cool:

And I'll just keep denying it

[Ben.]

The issue of investigating has always confused me...the investigator is there with a un-biased point of view, to find out the truth, right?
This stops the "abusive freecop" or whoever it is just jailing suspects.
Now, theres the rule saying:
"If you saw it happen, then the suspect doesn't get an investigation".
This brings up my question...isn't that what nearly always happens? It makes no sense.

An ARPD Officer probably saw the person in question in order to /su them, so in that case should they NOT receive an investigation?

Sharpen up SAPD 

[Julio.]

oh ffs.

It's like Ted said, you follow me everywhere you douche.

[jinjifliaktor]

Nobody could make the cops to give you an investigation. ((  doesn't count if you are crying over '' /report'' ))
All depends on them, if they see that you're a murderer, they will simply jail you. You can not do anything, they are the law. But on the other hand, the suspects for reckless driving, smoking weed  in public places etc should not be killed immediately with Combat shotgun... 

[Dan_The_Noob]

And I'll just keep denying it

Lucky Deagle ammo is cheap  :evil:

Nobody could make the cops to give you an investigation. ((  doesn't count if you are crying over '' /report'' ))
All depends on them, if they see that you're a murderer, they will simply jail you. You can not do anything, they are the law. But on the other hand, the suspects for reckless driving, smoking weed  in public places etc should not be killed immediately with Combat shotgun... 

if they jail you without investigation EVEN for MURDER it should be reported to higher ranks, because they obviously aint doing what they are supposed to.
theres a tonne of ways "murder" could be accidental/not your fault/related.

[Stefanrsb]

If the cop doesn't see me commiting the crime,and I stop immediatley than I can ask for investigation,even if it is a murder. (Kill bug still exists)

[Jcstodds]

  I'll give investigation no matter what the crime.

  But depending on the crime and the circumstances, you may walk away free, or you may find the definition of "investigation" has been changed to "light torture then being thrown off a building" or similar. In the countryside we still do believe in the death penalty but it is rarely given.
 
  As a sheriff, it is the safety of the civilians that take priority. If you have killed someone in self defence, then immediately reported yourself to police and are very apologetic and sad that you killed a guy... of course I will let you go.

  If you kill someone, run away a bit then give up - and I asked you why you killed them, and it is said that "oh he crash my car so I killed him"... you will get bad punishment. If you run away because you are frightened or scared - might be a little more lenient.

  I will investigate all the time because I want to learn the
Motive of the criminal - WHY he did a crime
And from his answer and the evidence, eye witness reports (which I do check - if there is a witness I will check them) I can judge more accurately what punishment the criminal deserves.

  You see someone commit a crime - it is not always as straightforward as you may think. Also in an investigation you might be able to cut a deal with the suspect which brings in much larger criminals. E.g. There is a 207 on, you have detained a family member of the kidnappers. I would hold him ransom against their hostage, which would not be possible if "no sir you cannot have investigation, we know you are kidnapper we saw it" attitude.

  On a side note I don't actually jail any criminals as a punishment unless they request it (as in, quick jail). I support interesting, alternative and fun RP punishments for crime. Jailing is boring for everyone.

If the cop doesn't see me commiting the crime,and I stop immediatley than I can ask for investigation,even if it is a murder. (Kill bug still exists)

  If you are claiming it is a killbug when it is not - that is not within RP. You will be admin punished. Should never be cancelled unless victim confirms the bug.
Post Merge: January 11, 2012, 11:21:21 am

I know it seems like fun to waste an officer's time, but honestly, it's more frustrating than you could imagine.

  Giac investigations are only as frustrating and boring if you do the same thing all the time. You understand roleplay, it needs to be imaginative. If you do not enjoy this aspect, call another officer to investigate.