Is it true?

[jinjifliaktor]

Somewhere I read that in this server, even if you have reason to kill, attack or just DB, you must inform the victim that this would happen. Is this true?

[Reece]

The reason why you attack a person/group should be clear to all parties involved.

[Chris_Knight]

Yeah,target have to be informed when ever it's script way by a hitman or you aproaching with roleplay reason.

[jinjifliaktor]

The reason why you attack a person/group should be clear to all parties involved.

My question is do I have to inform someone before attack him?


Edit: He can expect something like that to happen from previous events, but what happens if I do not inform him / them before my actions and they say something like '' OMG U DM NOOOOOB!1''?

[Pingster]

Then you get adminpunished for DM :3 If you get reported.

[Chris_Knight]

My question is do I have to inform someone before attack him?


Edit: He can expect something like that to happen from previous events, but what happens if I do not inform him / them before my actions and they say something like '' OMG U DM NOOOOOB!1''?

You can't do that. Target have to be informed why he will die when ever you do it at last moment for example " Thats for my family fucker" and then you finish him of or detailed reason involved by talking with him before killing. 

[jinjifliaktor]

Then you get adminpunished for DM :3 If you get reported.

Exactly, you will be punished even if you did not break the rules. So if the victim is not very smart and can not understand that this happened because of previous events, the admins should to investigate and find out who is right in the case. What they are doing now is punishing people by saying '' the victim must be informed that you are going to kill him''.


What do you expect? To send private messages with '' I'm going to kill you.''? Apart  from the fact that this is the stupidest thing yuou can do, the so-called victim will use this information in character. Which is not fair  toward you and generally lost the meaning of roleplay...
Post Merge: March 26, 2012, 11:52:54 am

You can't do that. Target have to be informed why he will die when ever you do it at last moment for example " Thats for my family f**ker" and then you finish him of or detailed reason involved by talking with him before killing. 

What happens if he is not a good roleplayer and therefore you have no opportunity to write?

[Chris_Knight]

Exactly, you will be punished even if you did not break the rules. So if the victim is not very smart and can not understand that this happened because of previous events, the admins should to investigate and find out who is right in the case. What they are doing now is punishing people by saying '' the victim must be informed that you are going to kill him''.


What do you expect? To send private messages with '' I'm going to kill you.''? Apart  from the fact that this is the stupidest thing yuou can do, the so-called victim will use this information in character. Which is not fair  toward you and generally lost the meaning of roleplay...
Post Merge: March 26, 2012, 11:52:54 amWhat happens if he is not a good roleplayer and therefore you have no opportunity to write?

Example,I assaulted your family member at heroin spot to take his drugs,he survives and returns to head quarters and informs about situation. You head for the guy and when you arive you say " You assaulted my family,now you gona pay for this" . You kill him. He is dissapointed what just happened therefore he reports you for deathmatch. Admin comes to you and questions you. You explain that he assaulted your family member wich survived and informed you,you came and said " You assaulted my family,now you gona pay for this"  <--- RP reason behind a murder. Admin sees it and heads away as you did nothing wrong. When ever your enemy understands the reason is not as important as the fact you informed it to him by a roleplay. As other than that many people will lie that they didn't know reason why you killed them just to harm you any way they can via admins.Also remember it's people who suppose to know English not we who suppose to teach them. If somone doesn't speak English and couldn't understand what you roleplayed it's his own fault not yours not servers.

[Salmonella]

If you have a roleplay reason to attack the person, you don't have to inform him. For example, there's a drug deal and stuff goes wrong, you want to screw the guy over and decide to kill him after he handed you the cash, or the weed, for that matter. That is perfectly allowed because those are the risks of roleplaying a criminal scenario. If the roleplay scenario allows it and if you have a realistic and proper reason to kill, then you can. You don't have to inform them, that would ruin the entire scenario and allow him to prepare or run immediately. If your opponent has brains, then he'll be able to tell for himself when he's in trouble.

[jinjifliaktor]

Example,I assaulted your family member at heroin spot to take his drugs,he survives and returns to head quarters and informs about situation. You head for the guy and when you arive you say " You assaulted my family,now you gona pay for this" . You kill him. He is dissapointed what just happened therefore he reports you for deathmatch. Admin comes to you and questions you. You explain that he assaulted your family member wich survived and informed you,you came and said " You assaulted my family,now you gona pay for this"  <--- RP reason behind a murder. Admin sees it and heads away as you did nothing wrong. When ever your enemy understands the reason is not as important as the fact you informed it to him by a roleplay. As other than that many people will lie that they didn't know reason why you killed them just to harm you any way they can via admins.Also remember it's people who suppose to know English not we who suppose to teach them. If somone doesn't speak English and couldn't understand what you roleplayed it's his own fault not yours not servers.

I'll be honest with you. That was the most stupidest thing I've ever read. What happens if there is no possibility to write '' you bla bla bla...''? What happens if you do DB? Imagine that by some chance not all players in Argonath are good roleplayers and you have no opportunity to write '' You are going to die becaue of...''


You made me doubt in your abilities, so I will give you a simple example.

I RP assassin, I get my sniper and go to chase someone, because earlier in the day he threatened one of my friends. We will not use the stupid command /sethit [id] because it will inform him, thus losing the element of surprise that you would like to accomplish if you do not have an army of dmers. So, I have to inform him trough private messages that I'm going to kill him?

[Chris_Knight]

If you have a roleplay reason to attack the person, you don't have to inform him. For example, there's a drug deal and stuff goes wrong, you want to screw the guy over and decide to kill him after he handed you the cash, or the weed, for that matter. That is perfectly allowed because those are the risks of roleplaying a criminal scenario. If the roleplay scenario allows it and if you have a realistic and proper reason to kill, then you can. You don't have to inform them, that would ruin the entire scenario and allow him to prepare or run immediately. If your opponent has brains, then he'll be able to tell for himself when he's in trouble.

And there already comes the confussion when ever you have to inform the roleplay reason or not. Thats why rather secure your self by informing roleplay but that way that you still can cause surprise attack on the target.
Post Merge: March 26, 2012, 12:23:07 pm

I'll be honest with you. That was the most stupidest thing I've ever read. What happens if there is no possibility to write '' you bla bla bla...''? What happens if you do DB? Imagine that by some chance not all players in Argonath are good roleplayers and you have no opportunity to write '' You are going to die becaue of...''


You made me doubt in your abilities, so I will give you a simple example.

I RP assassin, I get my sniper and go to chase someone, because earlier in the day he threatened one of my friends. We will not use the stupid command /sethit [id] because it will inform him, thus losing the element of surprise that you would like to accomplish if you do not have an army of dmers. So, I have to inform him trough private messages that I'm going to kill him?

You need inform him anyway possible but you can't just climb on a roof and snipe his ass of because you consider your self to be an assasin.

[jinjifliaktor]

If you have a roleplay reason to attack the person, you don't have to inform him. For example, there's a drug deal and stuff goes wrong, you want to screw the guy over and decide to kill him after he handed you the cash, or the weed, for that matter. That is perfectly allowed because those are the risks of roleplaying a criminal scenario. If the roleplay scenario allows it and if you have a realistic and proper reason to kill, then you can. You don't have to inform them, that would ruin the entire scenario and allow him to prepare or run immediately. If your opponent has brains, then he'll be able to tell for himself when he's in trouble.

Finally an explanation that may be useful to many people. However, I want to see what the community leaders think on this.

[Cyril]

It depends if you kill him in the same RP scene or if you leave and come back 1 hour later and kill him..

[jinjifliaktor]

Post Merge: March 26, 2012, 12:23:07 pmYou need inform him anyway possible but you can't just climb on a roof and snipe his ass of because you consider your self to be an assasin.

If he did something that would hurt me or any of my friends, I can go and '' sniper his ass'', and if I inform him by private messages, he will use this information in character.
Post Merge: March 26, 2012, 12:30:30 pm

It depends if you kill him in the same RP scene or if you leave and come back 1 hour later and kill him..

What is the difference if you still have a reason? See? This topic was made just for you! 

[saberman]

If he will use that information, why even RP with him? Is killing him that necessary?

By that rule or saying it does not necessarily mean you have to PM him. You have to make the reason clear. For example, there are cases in which player's have an RP reason to kill another, but their victim never get's to know the reason which often result in admin interference.