[PETITON] Un-sused Criminals to be able to assist Criminal friends - EQUALITY!

[Salvatore_Zambino]

This will just cause a mess, Im sure If the vote is positive, community managers will shut it down. This so called 'vote' changes server more into DM server. I barely see any groups role playing properly from very beginning to the end. Instead of trying to get yourselves some shooting freedom, try to increase role playing between criminals groups or clans.

You THINK it's going to be a mess because your steryotypical attitude blinds you of what criminals are capable of. You should give criminals a chance.

[Pingster]

You want to lose the heat? Be a good driver. You don't need 10 people behind you shooting up officers to lose heat. And that's not even RP that you want so much.

Want RP? As I said in /p earlier, roleplay with officers. Inform them you wish to RP first, if they don't want to, ask them to get some officers who want to RP there. If they want to RP, ask them to change your /crime to something like "Roleplay" so they know not to yellow dot hunt you. And start RPing. If you're witty and good at it, you can manage to RP out a successful RP which would be a feature that would deserve a /cancelsuspect ID RP got away. No one injured, just great roleplay. You don't need this rule to go away for that. And it never will.

We KNOW it's going to be mess because any and all white dots will kill any and all cops if there's an orange name nearby, and say you're friends.

[Thomas_A]

You want to lose the heat? Be a good driver. You don't need 10 people behind you shooting up officers to lose heat. And that's not even RP that you want so much.

Exactly, you dont need loads of people to back you up just because there is one officer who wants to arrest you. If you are criminal then your first aim should be to escape.

[Seskom]

The thing i dont get is that cops are alowed to return after death, how the fuk are the Criminals ever supose to win?

Have you ever though you don't even need to use a gun to "win"? Criminal main point is to escape, you're talking about roleplay... While suspected take your friends ---> head out to countryside, roleplay there the options are limitless beginning from transport (bus, plane, taxi etc) ending with any roleplay you want to make at your hide out till your "heat" goes down aka you get unsuspected. This is not a cops and robbers server and criminal - cop shootouts where civilians join look more like mass DM then any roleplay... I mean, what do you roleplay in a shootout? Only thing I have seen is
>Criminals - Give me gun please, flood in some random CB chat, 0 /me commands used
>Cops - /duty - get killed - /duty - get killed - get equiped - kill all the suspects
Now what roleplay are we talking about here?

[Pingster]

I'd like to add: If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Bad driver or bad RPer? /gu is always there for you. Otherwise, don't do the crime. PMing all your friends is not the solution to equality, having all criminals excellent RPers is, however, a great advantage for criminals against the cops. You can "win" every single time by being a great RPer. Yeah, I know, no force RP, but try to inform the police that you want to roleplay.

[Chris_Knight]

The thing i dont get is that cops are alowed to return after death, how the fuk are the Criminals ever supose to win?

This is not about winning but escaping you seriously misslead argonath with cops and robbers.
Post Merge: April 06, 2012, 12:32:54 pm

You THINK it's going to be a mess because your steryotypical attitude blinds you of what criminals are capable of. You should give criminals a chance.

No we don't give criminals a chance ,neither give them possibility lose heat. Thats about it,holding stright to the ground with the pressure . If you want equality go to cops and robbers or wake up once and get over it. Cops can return to situations because if you dm every blue dot in server you still have to run and try to survive either way you would be done and pretty much could roam around,do what ever you feel like it and no one could do a thing to you. You keep talk how people lock them selfs up and how blind they are. But truth is,it's you who is blind at current situation as you still can't relise what is right and what is wrong.

[Gandalf]

Here we go again....

Why are civilians friends not allowed to help in a shootout? It would be more RP
Probably that is what they tell you on RL-Team-DM servers.
But in real life if there is a shootout between police and criminals, do you really think criminals will join to kill more cops ? That would be in the news worldwide if it would happen. If you get in a shootout with the law, every criminal knows he will either go to jail or die, and they want neither.
Just because you respawn does not mean you should not value your virtual life.

Why are cops allowed to return ?
As we are not character based but role based, every cop who goes on duty after death is a new unit.
Then why are criminals not allowed to return ? See the first point. If you spawn after death you are a new person. Does a new person in town get weapons and look for a way to die ? Don't think so.

How can criminals win ?
The goal of roleplay is to live, not to die. The goal is also not to kill as many as possible before being killed.
So how can a suspect win ? By losing his suspect level through staying away from cops long enough.
How do yo reach a draw ? By going to jail.
How do you lose ? By being killed.

More equality
People have been complaining about this for some time. But where do you want this equality ? In shootouts ? We are not a server where the goal is to have as many shootouts as possible. Besides that, you do not raise your score or respect by killing more cops.
In money opportunities ? Cops have actually only one way to make money: going after suspects.
As criminal you can do any legal and illegal business, so you already have more opportunities to make money.

[Karmps.]

We have Paruni and Stunt servers for a reason.

[Thomas_A]

And I belive what Gandalf said, is enough to end this mess ?

[Chris_Knight]

Yeah Gandalf answer was briliant .

[Paco]

Why not making Criminals and Cops equal?
Because we didn't choose them to become criminals, they were born civilians and law-abiding, those who doesn't follow the law, get's arrested. As far as I know, you're not supposed to be born like a criminal that go rob stores and kill people. Cops are made to enforce the law breakers and protect the other civilians. If there were no criminals, there wouldn't be cops. Therefore cops must have some advantages in order to maintain peace in Argonath. I believe every state wants their citizens to be law-abiding and not law-breakers. But at the same time, there must be somewhat equality so the cops doesn't become totally overpowered, for example. Cops may not get minigun when going on duty. This is a good thing? You should kiss the ARPD Chiefs for not giving cops miniguns to eliminate criminals, and thank them for making it somewhat equal, but at the same time cops has advantages.

The less criminals, the less cops we have in Argonath.

[Matt Murdock]

So the criminals can keep on killing men and since all cops died they continue their rampage?

If you're talking about advantages to criminals and advantages to cops you're talking about cop vs. criminals.

And this is a rule, rule's cannot be removed because of community wants it. And yes, this topic it's clearly about cops vs. criminals.
Do you ever see criminals winning in a shootout IRL?

It's not about criminals and cops, it's about RP. Which sadly is forgotten.

I'll borrow these words.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Do you think even if a thousand signatures the court judges or heads of state would allow it to pass?

Rules =/= Laws.


Gandalf has posted his post and there is really no need for this in city-hall, locked, moved to SAMP general, if a moderator wants to unlock it there, that is fine.

Regards.