Gang Wars FAQ

[Jcstodds]

I agree with all your points but don't you think you put a lil bit too much drama here 

  I dont always RP a criminal.

But when I do

there is a maddafackin' drama.

[Matt Murdock]

  Brawls are much more RP friendly since you can face off in the beginning, without the threat of being shot to death instantly whilst typing out a message. Also they can be more violent  :evil:

This means a lot. These days, you just can't expect to RP with mafia members without having the fear of getting shot in the face.

 :ps: Tho I would not lie, There're still some quality players out there who you can RP with. Anyone remember the intense action between Corleone and Gvardia in May? It was war in night, and me, Jarome and Alessandro having fun in morning. Where I'd kidnap Ale after a fight, hit him on the head so he loses his memory, after he wakes up, I tell him he's my brother and he was un concious because Jarome tried to kill him.  :roll:

[Jubin]

Deathmatching is killing without a valid roleplay reason, correct?

Seeing your friend being arrested, (not in the process of /gu and that shit) is a very valid reason to interfere and make sure your friend doesn't go to jail. In this case, making sure your friend doesn't die in a fight is a another perfectly good roleplay reason. Police officers know everyday the dangers of their job and they may be killed from behind, this is an aspect of the job.

Ok here's a situation. You and madboi are having a shootout. I come and just start shooting you without saying anything. For the sake of argument let's say together we kill you. Now you ask why did I attack you. I say to you that madboi is my friend while also saying to madboi, that if you ask, for this situation I am his friend and for helping him out he also lies to you that I am his friend, if you should ask. Is that acceptable situation?
If we would stay in a decent realms of roleplaying than it is normal to say at least something before attacking to let others know. It doesn't have to be long. Simple "GET THE f**k OFF MY FRIEND", "NOONE SHOOTS MY FRIEND, ASSCLOWN". In reality, at least I would do two things at the same time, saying attackers to get off my friend, to distract them from him, and attack them.

[Kirgiz]

In reality, at least I would do two things at the same time, saying attackers to get off my friend, to distract them from him, and attack them.

If you'd have some brains, you wouldn't.

[Gandalf]

The discussion about friends is pointless.
Bottom line is that when you see a shootout its not your option to choose a party to help and start killing.
If someone involved really is your friend, offer him possibility to escape it the best you can do.

It is to avoid admins having to determine who shot who first, as well as that its kind of a dirty tactic to shoot someone in the back without warning.

[Kirgiz]

The discussion about friends is pointless.
Bottom line is that when you see a shootout its not your option to choose a party to help and start killing.
If someone involved really is your friend, offer him possibility to escape it the best you can do.

It is to avoid admins having to determine who shot who first, as well as that its kind of a dirty tactic to shoot someone in the back without warning.

Just for clarification, since we talk about dirty tactics, is it allowed to stand still while you are a suspect surrounded by 1-2 officers, shout Wait!!!!, then wait a few moments until cops lower their guns down to type and you blast them with combat right away?

[Mashgash]

Just for clarification, since we talk about dirty tactics, is it allowed to stand still while you are a suspect surrounded by 1-2 officers, shout Wait!!!!, then wait a few moments until cops lower their guns down to type and you blast them with combat right away?

The wise man said;

If you shoot while the other person is typing a reply, that means you are failing at roleplay.
If you take out a gun and are ready to shoot, it should already be clear no typing could save the person you are preparing to shoot.

Top of cowardness I would call it... Though I wouldn't lower my gun until you are in cuffs as an officer, or under control.

[Kirgiz]

The wise man said;
Top of cowardness I would call it... Though I wouldn't lower my gun until you are in cuffs as an officer, or under control.

*nods with approval*

[Gandalf]

Just for clarification, since we talk about dirty tactics, is it allowed to stand still while you are a suspect surrounded by 1-2 officers, shout Wait!!!!, then wait a few moments until cops lower their guns down to type and you blast them with combat right away?

If you have in any way made it clear you are giving up, then you are not allowed to fight.

[Jcstodds]

  On the flipside if you stopped and say "wait" cops can start to spray your ass until you have made it clear you have surrendered.

[Jcstodds]

Stickied.

  Feel free to ask questions.

[TheGreasyChopper]

 Alright, so I read the first few pages as most of the questions seemed to be asking of ways to continue taking out Combats out of eachother's asses and killing someone just because you are planning to "Take on the Derpliano family" and shoot everyone with the _Derpliano tag you see at the Derpliano HQ in HerpusDerpusBerry.
 The only experience I have with Gang Wars is the AOD-Lost MC fight that recently erupted. Numerous times have I been attacked by Ballas just for having turf in Ganton, or for parking my bike over Idlewood. But that's the idea of DM, not Gang Wars. Gang wars, as the name states is the war between two GANGS, not one person versus the whole group. Now back to my original idea here...Roleplay is the main force between the two MCs. And both of the sides dislike it when someone just comes and starts blasting just for having different sides. Before this whole thing started we both agreed for a OOC meeting(Yes, I use IC/OOC, and you can't do shit about it) in which we discussed how the war will go, making our own rules when the two sides clash. Every time we face off in groups both sides ask eachother if they are fine with a shootout/brawl and etc. And we also make sure we know exactly WHY the other side came over. My question is...The Lost MC and the AOD made their own rules for the war between the two groups, but what if an admin sees the brawl without knowing them? He will, in 85% or even more of the cases, jump straight to /kick [id] Deathmatching, disarm both sides and send them to admin jail. The Admin will do what without asking ANY questions if both sides agreed to the confrontation. So, is this fair? Do these rules about DM and punishments fall for two groups who KNOW they will have a shootout and both agree with it?

[~Legend~]

Alright, so I read the first few pages as most of the questions seemed to be asking of ways to continue taking out Combats out of eachother's asses and killing someone just because you are planning to "Take on the Derpliano family" and shoot everyone with the _Derpliano tag you see at the Derpliano HQ in HerpusDerpusBerry.
 The only experience I have with Gang Wars is the AOD-Lost MC fight that recently erupted. Numerous times have I been attacked by Ballas just for having turf in Ganton, or for parking my bike over Idlewood. But that's the idea of DM, not Gang Wars. Gang wars, as the name states is the war between two GANGS, not one person versus the whole group. Now back to my original idea here...Roleplay is the main force between the two MCs. And both of the sides dislike it when someone just comes and starts blasting just for having different sides. Before this whole thing started we both agreed for a OOC meeting(Yes, I use IC/OOC, and you can't do shit about it) in which we discussed how the war will go, making our own rules when the two sides clash. Every time we face off in groups both sides ask eachother if they are fine with a shootout/brawl and etc. And we also make sure we know exactly WHY the other side came over. My question is...The Lost MC and the AOD made their own rules for the war between the two groups, but what if an admin sees the brawl without knowing them? He will, in 85% or even more of the cases, jump straight to /kick [id] Deathmatching, disarm both sides and send them to admin jail. The Admin will do what without asking ANY questions if both sides agreed to the confrontation. So, is this fair? Do these rules about DM and punishments fall for two groups who KNOW they will have a shootout and both agree with it?

A pretty good question, and the idea of an "organised gang conflict" is one that I know others have tried before.

Going on my own view and what I've seen take place in norm circumstances, an pre-organised gang war usually ends up a lot better than a skirmish that erupts, where 8/10 of the times it devolves into DM.
Pre-organised wars obviously ensure that both sides' interests are met to a certain degree, and that it is controlled in a suitable manner (hopefully), with the end result allowing all players involved to part in more or less "good" feelings outside roleplay.
However, one crucial thing to bear in mind might be that the Argonath servers aren't the right place for organised team deathmatching, or just the general setting up of deathmatch situations. If a gang war comes about in good interests, and directly from a roleplay occurence/event that would be the best way to do it, I would say. After all, you wouldn't want to cross community rules, even unintentionally, as they're observed at all times in normal parts of the server.

Hopefully an Admin wouldn't kick without warning, unless a player's action is severe enough.

[Woka]

The thing I find very very out of hand these days,is the "RP Reasons" to attack another group

some groups

Spoiler for Hiden:

Pff you thought i'd reveal group name

got up to another act cool and big to another group,disguise there provoking which leads to a group war,which is now classified as DM.

And also one wears purple and another wears green,they think this is single player and attack eatch other,then new players see this and start doing this.There's a large amount of new members to the community getting punished for being miss lead.people need to stop this before it gets even MORE out of hand here.

[Jcstodds]

So, is this fair? Do these rules about DM and punishments fall for two groups who KNOW they will have a shootout and both agree with it?

  Even if it is organised, if you do not actually RP (and show admins RP) it is just organised TDM. Ofc if there is RP reason, you could always just send a PM to admin quickly summarising. And make sure other criteria in the FAQ are met. E.g. do not do your fight inside LSPD.

  Admins will mostly only react on the reports. If no one reports it (with exception of new players who do not know).... it is unlikely an admin will react. If people are reporting for DM, it means you are involving others.

  Only other time I have stopped groups without someone reporting, is if whole group just organises themselves to have shootout with cops for no reason like " Oh we robbing the bank with 30men, sitting at door with guns, because that is how you rob a bank".