Teenage Atheist Union

[McGarrett]

I'd rather stay neutral to this kind of discussion. I do not wish to discuss religion here.

[Jellyfish]

Isn't there a locked topic somewhere around here stating that 'Politics and Religion' are forbidden on the forums  :redface:

[Void]

You made a crucial mistake in your silence when you said:

My silence doesn't mean I should not be observant. The first quote was about other people.
My question is, how did you know I was talking about religion/science there? It doesn't have to be either. Just because it can be an applicable method doesn't necessarily have to be it.

[Gandalf]

My silence doesn't mean I should not be observant. The first quote was about other people.
My question is, how did you know I was talking about religion/science there? It doesn't have to be either. Just because it can be an applicable method doesn't necessarily have to be it.

I was waiting for this.
Look carefully at what you wrote:

Who created the initial sparkle?

The use of the 'who' shows that you are from a religious background where the origin of things is attibuted to a God, after all it describes a person.
When thinking from atheist background you would have written 'What', while a completely neutral way would have been 'How was the initial spark created'.

The next part was:

there are no modern-scientific methods to explain

Which would imply that there are methods outside modern science to explain this.

By the words you used it is clear you are thinking from a religious upbringing. Whether or not you still follow this is something you wish not to go further in to at this time, which I fully respect.

[Mario_Rinna]

I was waiting for this.
Look carefully at what you wrote:The use of the 'who' shows that you are from a religious background where the origin of things is attibuted to a God, after all it describes a person.
When thinking from atheist background you would have written 'What', while a completely neutral way would have been 'How was the initial spark created'.

The next part was:Which would imply that there are methods outside modern science to explain this.

By the words you used it is clear you are thinking from a religious upbringing. Whether or not you still follow this is something you wish not to go further in to at this time, which I fully respect.

[Void]

Ionesco was not a fool after all.
The question I mentioned before is asked by many people around me. I picked it up apparently and it's locked in my mind.
Changing the question now would convince you less of my beliefs.

Like many people, I was raised in a religious family but due to my views, we departed.
I like knowledge and do not wish to be tagged because exactly that brought me many troubles. I am trying to seek answers from both sides. I spend time looking at both scientific and religious studies because knowing enriches you.

How we ask ourselves this question, "who" and "what" doesn't matter. We seek answers that I believe are beyond our grasp.

[EenBeeFour]

I was waiting for this.
Look carefully at what you wrote:The use of the 'who' shows that you are from a religious background where the origin of things is attibuted to a God, after all it describes a person.
When thinking from atheist background you would have written 'What', while a completely neutral way would have been 'How was the initial spark created'.

The next part was:Which would imply that there are methods outside modern science to explain this.

By the words you used it is clear you are thinking from a religious upbringing. Whether or not you still follow this is something you wish not to go further in to at this time, which I fully respect.

Encore! Encore!

[Jubin]

... I am trying to seek answers from both sides. I spend time looking at both scientific and religious studies because knowing enriches you.
...

What about all other versions of the answers?

[Void]

What about all other versions of the answers?

Specific groups do specific things. I suppose Teletubbies would not do a religious study. With this we conclude that religion related groups do religious studies. Scientist and religious people do scientific studies, religious studies or both. Anyone can do everything, it is up to you to decide which knowledge you're take into consideration. That's the beauty and horror of knowing. You're always wrong.

To Gandalf: "Who?" does not necessary mean "God" because "God" is not a person. He is not deficient and thus, he does not need anything. A person however, is far from that. That would be a Christian definition of "God". "God" is your unique view and everyone holds a different definition of the word "God" so it is impossible to please every "God" on this planet.

[Mario_Rinna]

To Gandalf: "Who?" does not necessary mean "God" because "God" is not a person. He is not deficient and thus, he does not need anything.

Did God tell you this? 

[Clone]

Just thought this would be interesting to post here.


Theological doctrines:

      1. God is satisfied with his works
          Gen 1:31
         God is dissatisfied with his works. 
          Gen 6:6
      2. God dwells in chosen temples
          2 Chron 7:12,16
         God dwells not in temples
          Acts 7:48
      3. God dwells in light
          Tim 6:16
         God dwells in darkness
          1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
      4. God is seen and heard
          Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
           Ex 24:9-11
         God is invisible and cannot be heard
          John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
      5. God is tired and rests
          Ex 31:17
         God is never tired and never rests
          Is 40:28
      6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
          Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
         God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all     
         things
          Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
      7. God knows the hearts of men
          Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
         God tries men to find out what is in their heart
          Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
      8. God is all powerful
          Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
        God is not all powerful
          Judg 1:19
      9. God is unchangeable
          James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
         God is changeable
          Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
           Ex 33:1,3,17,14
      10. God is just and impartial
           Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
          God is unjust and partial
           Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
      11. God is the author of evil
           Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
          God is not the author of evil
           1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
      12. God gives freely to those who ask
           James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
          God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving   
          them
           John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
      13. God is to be found by those who seek him
           Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
          God is not to be found by those who seek him
           Prov 1:28
      14. God is warlike
           Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
          God is peaceful
           Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
      15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
           Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
          God is kind, merciful, and good
           James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/ 
            1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
      16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
           Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
          God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
           Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
      17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,   
          sacrifices ,and holy days
           Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
          God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,   
          sacrifices, and holy days.
           Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
      18. God accepts human sacrifices
           2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
          God forbids human sacrifice
           Deut 12:30,31
      19. God tempts men
           Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
          God tempts no man
           James 1:13
      20. God cannot lie
           Heb 6:18
          God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
           2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
      21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
           Gen 6:5,7
          Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
           Gen 8:21
      22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
           Rom 1:20
          God's attributes cannot be discovered
           Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
      23. There is but one God
           Deut 6:4
          There is a plurality of gods
           Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7
 

Moral Precepts

      24. Robbery commanded
           Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
          Robbery forbidden
           Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
      25. Lying approved and sanctioned
           Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
          Lying forbidden
           Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
      26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
           2 Kings 14:7,3
          Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
           Deut 23:7
      27. Killing commanded
           Ex 32:27
          Killing forbidden
           Ex 20:13
      28. The blood-shedder must die
           Gen 9:5,6
          The blood-shedder must not die
           Gen 4:15
      29. The making of images forbidden
            Ex 20:4
          The making of images commanded
           Ex 25:18,20
      30. Slavery and oppression ordained
           Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
          Slavery and oppression forbidden
           Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
      31. Improvidence enjoyed
           Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
          Improvidence condemned
           1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
      32. Anger approved
           Eph 4:26
          Anger disapproved
           Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
      33. Good works to be seen of men
           Matt 5:16
          Good works not to be seen of men
           Matt 6:1
      34. Judging of others forbidden
           Matt 7:1,2
          Judging of others approved
           1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
       35. Christ taught non-resistance
           Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
          Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
           Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
      36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
           Luke 12:4
          Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
           John 7:1
      37. Public prayer sanctioned
           1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
          Public prayer disapproved
           Matt 6:5,6
      38. Importunity in prayer commended
           Luke 18:5,7
          Importunity in prayer condemned
           Matt 6:7,8
      39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
           Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
          The wearing of long hair by men condemned
           1 Cor 11:14
      40. Circumcision instituted
           Gen 17:10
          Circumcision condemned
           Gal 5:2
      41. The Sabbath instituted
           Ex 20:8
          The Sabbath repudiated
           Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
      42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day
           Ex 20:11
          The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites     
          out of Egypt
           Deut 5:15
      43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
           Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
          Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in 
          the same
           John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
      44. Baptism commanded
           Matt 28:19
          Baptism not commanded
           1 Cor 1:17,14
      45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
           Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
          Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
           Deut 14:7,8
       46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
           Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
          Taking of oaths forbidden
           Matt 5:34
      47. Marriage approved
           Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
          Marriage disapproved
           1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
      48. Freedom of divorce permitted
           Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
          Divorce restricted
           Matt 5:32
      49. Adultery forbidden
           Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
          Adultery allowed
           Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
      50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
           Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
          Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
           Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16
      51. A man may marry his brother's widow
           Deut 25:5
          A man may not marry his brother's widow
           Lev 20:21
      52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
           Luke 14:26
          Hatred to kindred condemned
           Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29
      53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
           Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
          Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
           Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32
      54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers   
          and punish evil doers only
           Rom 13:1-3,6
          It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the   
          good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
           Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
            Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
      55. Women's rights denied
           Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
          Women's rights affirmed
           Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9
      56. Obedience to masters enjoined
           Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
          Obedience due to God only
           Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10
      57. There is an unpardonable sin
           Mark 3:29
          There is not unpardonable sin
           Acts 13:39
 

Historical Facts

      58. Man was created after the other animals
           Gen 1:25,26,27
          Man was created before the other animals
           Gen 2:18,19
      59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease
           Gen 8:22
          Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years
           Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6
      60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart
           Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12
          Pharaoh hardened his own heart
           Ex 8:15
      61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died
           Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9
        All the horses of Egypt did not die
           Ex 14:9
      62. Moses feared Pharaoh
           Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19
          Moses did not fear Pharaoh
           Heb 11:27
      63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand
           Num 25:9
          There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand
           1 Cor 10:8
      64. John the Baptist was Elias
           Matt 11:14
          John the Baptist was not Elias
           John 1:21
      65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob
           Matt 1:16
          The father of Mary's husband was Heli
           Luke 3:23
      66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad
           Gen 11:12
          The father of Salah was Cainan
           Luke 3:35,36
      67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David
           Matt 1:17
          There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David
           Matt 1:2-6
      68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity
          to Christ.
           Matt 1:17
          There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian       
          captivity to Christ
           Matt 1:12-16
      69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt
           Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23
          The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt
           Luke 2:22, 39
      70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness
           Mark 1:12,13
          Christ was not tempted in the wilderness
           John 2:1,2
      71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount
           Matt 5:1,2
          Christ preached his first sermon on the plain
           Luke 6:17,20
      72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
           Mark 1:14
          John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
           John 1:43/ John 3:22-24
      73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff   
          and sandals
           Mark 6:8,9
          Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither
          staffs nor sandals.
           Matt 10:9,10
      74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus
           Matt 15:22
          It was a Greek woman who besought Him
           Mark 7:26
      75. Two blind men besought Jesus
           Matt 20:30
          Only one blind man besought Him
           Luke 18:35,38
      76. Christ was crucified at the third hour
           Mark 15:25
          Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour
           John 19:14,15
      77. The two thieves reviled Christ.
           Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32
          Only one of the thieves reviled Christ
           Luke 23:39,40
      78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper
           John 13:27
          Satan entered into him before the supper
           Luke 22:3,4,7
      79. Judas committed suicide by hanging
           Matt 27:5
          Judas did not hang himself, but died another way
           Acts 1:18
      80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas
           Acts 1:18
          The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests
           Matt 27:6,7
      81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre
           John 20:1
          There were two women who came to the sepulchre
           Matt 28:1
      82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre
           Mark 16:1
          There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre
           Luke 24:10
      83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre
           Mark 16:2
         It was some time before sunrise when they came.
           John 20:1
      84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and
          they were standing up.
           Luke 24:4
          There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down.
           Matt 28:2,5
      85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre.
           John 20:11,12
          There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre
           Mark 16:5
      86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave
           Matt 12:40
          Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave
           Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9>
      87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost
           Acts 1:8,5
          Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost
           John 20:22
      88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the           
          resurrection to go into Galilee
           Matt 28:10
          The disciples were commanded immediately after the           
          resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem
           Luke 24:49
      89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at     
          Jerusalem
           Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19
          Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee
           Matt 28:16,17
      90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet
           Acts 1:9,12
          Christ ascended from Bethany
           Luke 24:50,51
      91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood       
          speechless
           Acts 9:7
          Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate
           Acts 26:14
      92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan
           Gen 12:5
          Abraham went not knowing where
           Heb 11:8
      93. Abraham had two sons
           Gal 4:22
          Abraham had but one son
           Heb 11:17
      94. Keturah was Abraham's wife
           Gen 25:1
          Keturah was Abraham's concubine
           1 Chron 1:32
      95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the   
          interposition of Providence
           Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12
          Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years 
          old without any interposition of providence
           Gen 25:1,2
      96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor
           Josh 24:32
          Abraham bought it of Hamor
           Acts 7:16
      97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed       
          forever
           Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8
          Abraham and his seed never received the promised land
           Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13
      98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan
           2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be         
            correct.  Original manuscript was incorrect>
          The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan
           1 Chron 20:5
      99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram
           2 Kings 8:25
          Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram
           2 Kings 9:29
      100. Michal had no child
            2 Sam 6:23
           Michal had five children
            2 Sam 21:8
      101. David was tempted by the Lord to number Israel
            2 Sam 24:1
           David was tempted by Satan to number the people
            1 Chron 21:1
      102. The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of     
           Judah 500,000
            2 Sam 24:9
           The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of   
           Judah 470,000
            1 Chron 21:5
      103. David sinned in numbering the people
            2 Sam 24:10
           David never sinned, except in the matter of Uriah
           1 Kings 15:5
      104. One of the penalties of David's sin was seven years of       
           famine.
            2 Sam 24:13
           It was not seven years, but three years of famine
            1 Chron 21:11,12
      105. David took seven hundred horsemen
            2 Sam 8:4
           David took seven thousand horsemen
            1 Chron 18:4
      106. David bought a threshing floor for fifty shekels of silver
            2 Sam 24:24
           David bought the threshing floor for six hundred shekels of 
           gold
            1 Chron 21:25
      107. David's throne was to endure forever.
            Ps 89:35-37
           David's throne was cast down
            Ps 89:44
 

Speculative Doctrines

       108. Christ is equal with God
            John 10:30/ Phil 2:5
           Christ is not equal with God
            John 14:28/ Matt 24:36
      109. Jesus was all-powerful
            Matt 28:18/ John 3:35
           Jesus was not all-powerful
            Mark 6:5
      110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation
            Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6
           The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation
            Matt 5:17-19
      111. Christ's mission was peace
            Luke 2:13,14
           Christ's mission was not peace
            Matt 10:34
      112. Christ received not testimony from man
            John 5:33,34
           Christ did receive testimony from man
            John 15:27
      113. Christ's witness of himself is true.
            John 8:18,14
           Christ's witness of himself is not true.
            John 5:31
      114. Christ laid down his life for his friends
            John 15:13/ John 10:11
           Christ laid down his life for his enemies
            Rom 5:10
      115. It was lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
            John 19:7
           It was not lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
            John 18:31
      116. Children are punished for the sins of the parents
            Ex 20:5
           Children are not punished for the sins of the parents
            Ezek 18:20
      117. Man is justified by faith alone
            Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2
           Man is not justified by faith alone
            James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13
      118. It is impossible to fall from grace
            John 10:28/ Rom 8:38,39
           It is possible to fall from grace
            Ezek 18:24/ Heb 6:4-6, 2 Pet 2:20,21
      119. No man is without sin
            1 Kings 8:46/ Prov 20:9/ Eccl 7:20/ Rom 3:10
          Christians are sinless
            1 John 3: 9,6,8
      120. There is to be a resurrection of the dead
            1 Cor 15:52/ Rev 20:12,13/ Luke 20:37/ 1 Cor 15:16
           There is to be no resurrection of the dead
            Job 7:9/ Eccl 9:5/ Is 26:14
      121. Reward and punishment to be bestowed in this world
            Prov 11:31
           Reward and punishment to be bestowed in the next world
            Rev 20:12/ Matt 16:27/ 2 Cor 5:10
      122. Annihilation the portion of all mankind
            Job 3: 11,13-17,19-22/ Eccl 9:5,10/ Eccl 3:19,20
           Endless misery the portion of all mankind
            Matt 25:46/ Rev 20:10,15/ Rev 14:11/ Dan 12:2
      123. The Earth is to be destroyed
            2 Pet 3:10/ Heb 1:11/ Rev 20:11
           The Earth is never to be destroyed
            Ps 104:5/ Eccl 1:4
      124. No evil shall happen to the godly
            Prov 12:21/ 1 Pet 3:13
           Evil does happen to the godly
            Heb 12:6/ Job 2:3,7
      125. Worldly good and prosperity are the lot of the godly
            Prov 12:21/ Ps 37:28,32,33,37/ Ps 1:1,3/ Gen 39:2/
             Job 42:12
           Worldly misery and destitution the lot of the godly
            Heb 11:37,38/ Rev 7:14/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Luke 21:17
      126. Worldly prosperity a reward of righteousness and a blessing
            Mark 10:29,30/ Ps 37:25/ Ps 112:1,3/ Job 22:23,24/
             Prov 15:6
           Worldly prosperity a curse and a bar to future reward
            Luke 6:20,24/ Matt 6:19,21/ Luke 16:22/ Matt 19:24/
             Luke 6:24
      127. The Christian yoke is easy
            Matt 11:28,29,30
           The Christian yoke is not easy
            John 16:33/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Heb 12:6,8
      128. The fruit of God's spirit is love and gentleness
            Gal 5:22
           The fruit of God's spirit is vengeance and fury
            Judg 15:14/ 1 Sam 18:10,11
      129. Longevity enjoyed by the wicked
            Job 21:7,8/ Ps 17:14/ Eccl 8:12/ Is 65:20
           Longevity denied to the wicked
            Eccl 8:13/ Ps 55:23/ Prov 10:27/ Job 36:14/ Eccl 7:17
      130. Poverty a blessing
            Luke 6:20,24/ Jams 2:5
           Riches a blessing
            Prov 10:15/ Job 22:23,24/ Job 42:12
           Neither poverty nor riches a blessing
            Prov 30:8,9
      131. Wisdom a source of enjoyment
            Prov 3:13,17
           Wisdom a source of vexation, grief and sorrow
            Eccl 1:17,18
      132. A good name is a blessing
            Eccl 7:1/ Prov 22:1
           A good name is a curse
            Luke 6:26
      133. Laughter commended
            Eccl 3:1,4/ Eccl 8:15
           Laughter condemned
            Luke 6:25/ Eccl 7:3,4
      134. The rod of correction a remedy for foolishness
            Prov 22:15
           There is no remedy for foolishness
            Prov 27:22
      135. A fool should be answered according to his folly
            Prov 26:5
        A fool should not be answered according to his folly
            Prov 26:4
      136. Temptation to be desired
            James 1:2
           Temptation not to be desired
            Matt 6:13
      137. Prophecy is sure
            2 Pet 1:19
           Prophecy is not sure
            Jer 18:7-10
      138. Man's life was to be one hundred and twenty years
            Gen 6:3/ Ps 90:10
           Man's life is but seventy years
            Ps 90:10
      139. The fear of man was to be upon every beast
            Gen 9:2
           The fear of man is not upon the lion
            Prov 30:30
      140. Miracles a proof of divine mission
            Matt 11:2-5/ John 3:2/ Ex 14:31
           Miracles not a proof of divine mission
            Ex 7:10-12/ Deut 13:1-3/ Luke 11:19
      141. Moses was a very meek man
             Num 12:3
           Moses was a very cruel man
            Num 31:15,17
      142. Elijah went up to heaven
            2 Kings 2:11
           None but Christ ever ascended into heaven
            John 3:13
      143. All scripture is inspired
            2 Tim 3:16
           Some scripture is not inspired
            1 Cor 7:6/ 1 Cor 7:12/ 2 Cor 11:17

[Gandalf]

To Gandalf: "Who?" does not necessary mean "God" because "God" is not a person. He is not deficient and thus, he does not need anything. A person however, is far from that. That would be a Christian definition of "God". "God" is your unique view and everyone holds a different definition of the word "God" so it is impossible to please every "God" on this planet.

Your background defines who you are, that is all I mentioned on this subject.
"who" refers to a person or entity. An event would be referred to as 'what'.
As such you referred to an entity creating the first spark, and the most common name for such an entity would be God.

[Void]

"who" refers to a person or entity. An event would be referred to as 'what'.

We have established that already.

As such you referred to an entity creating the first spark, and the most common name for such an entity would be God.

I don't prefer thinking common in this case. I said "who" for a reason not related to a god. You can speculate about it for as much as you want. Who is as equal and legitimate question as "what" and "where". The fact is I got "framed" now and since I know how the process goes, the frame won't fall of easily. In Christian religion, there is a single god that contains three entities. Which entitiy did I actually mention?

Yes Mario, my inner god said this.

[Gandalf]

We have established that already.I don't prefer thinking common in this case. I said "who" for a reason not related to a god. You can speculate about it for as much as you want. Who is as equal and legitimate question as "what" and "where". The fact is I got "framed" now and since I know how the process goes, the frame won't fall of easily. I don't feel like continuing these circling fallacies.

Yes Mario, my inner god said this.

The only reason to 'frame' you was to teach you for the future. You are good at putting your words, and rarely make obvious mistakes. This one was even far from being obvious. Still you can improve your skills, especially in cases like this where you wish to keep your own ideas in private.

Should you need to remember my stance on this subject, I have studied several religions and the places of religious gathering from many are not strange to me. From a personal standpoint, I am not religious, however that does not exclude belief.

[Void]

The only reason to 'frame' you was to teach you for the future. You are good at putting your words, and rarely make obvious mistakes. This one was even far from being obvious. Still you can improve your skills, especially in cases like this where you wish to keep your own ideas in private.

Should you need to remember my stance on this subject, I have studied several religions and the places of religious gathering from many are not strange to me. From a personal standpoint, I am not religious, however that does not exclude belief.

The only reason why I wish to keep these ideas private is because you can get in trouble for expressing yourself in my surroundings. May I remind you that we still live in a conservative society in this part of the world(Southeast Europe). We all must choose our words in as much diplomatic way as we can. I never bother discussing with people that have a narrow mindset. But then again, alteri semper ignoscito, tibi ipsi numquam.

Retuning on topic: Toxic, Bible is written by more than a single person. Take that in mind.