To EVERY criminal

[Gandalf]

I meant to say that when I get suspected for "assault" when I'm just driving my car, I always have to /gu and investigate to lose my wanted level. Else I get sprayed by cops.

Please give me at least one time and date when this happened.
If you can not use the banana rule.

[Orel]

Please give me at least one time and date when this happened.
If you can not use the banana rule.

it happens also for me, he isnt the only one who drives in his infernus and get suspected for something that he hasnt done

[Xander]

Abused?
In such case, you should never whine on the chat or especially shout in caps "HELP IM ABUSED". You must surrender imediatelly (/gu) if you feel abused, and ask for an investigation! If you ever happen to be 'abused' and you do not surrender(/gu), the crime will be valid by refusing to co-operate and by fleeing.

This does not work at all. I have surrendered after being script abused with /su way too many times. I even bring in witnesses(who aren't Gvardia because Gvardia witnesses apparently aren't humans and can't say what they saw) and the witnesses who are just random bystanders I ask to come in tell the cops everything and I am always forced to go to jail. Most of the time I am throw in jail without even asking why, they just script abuse /jail and I tell an admin and "oh i didn't see it too bad". Also if you /gu and are trying to talk it over with people on why it was abuse, I have experienced some nice punishments for 'Not listening to police orders while /gu'd" and have threatened with a Ban by admins, for doing this exact rule. All I can say is come up with a new system because this one...sucks.
So from a fellow crinminal, take my advice...if you are suspected for something utterly stupid, you're on your own. Go roleplay with some friends or something as a suspect and act like you aren't even one. If a cop rolls in and decides to engage, kill them. Also the cop that suspected you, might as well shoot him too because if you try to roleplay hes gonna mow you down anyway. No I do not support the system being this way, but thats the way it is.

I haven't been abused in a long time, but I never /gu'ed when I was abused, since last time I did it and asked for investigation guy confirmed he'll give me one and then forced me into the jail block.

Yea and don't you love the part where they agree to give you one, bring you to the room near the Jail cells, then /jail you from upstairs. That's always a good one. Especially when you figure out they do that and ask for the investigation in a different room and then admins step in and will ban you if you don't listen.
Also Rock since you're creating a topic like this, why don't you create one on how Cops should do their job in game without breaking rules and being abusive. Instead of pointing your finger at criminals all the time using them as a scape goat for problems that happen between cops and criminals. You need to realize that it takes two to tango. I can guarantee both sides do something wrong in this scenarios. So please, come out with one for our lovely police force too. Include ways to report ARPD officers, and SAPD officers and everything aswell. That would help out the community quite a bit, and I honestly hope this topic stays as clean as possible so to the people replying, don't be TOO harsh on Rock, he only comprehends one side of the story ad doesn't take both sides into consideration.

Please give me at least one time and date when this happened.
If you can not use the banana rule.

He's being reasonable, some of the suspections are quite interesting. You as an owner should see some of them of course. Besides Stefano has it wrong, when you get pulled over and then suspected it isn't for assault...its usually something like 'atempt kill polic' or something along them lines. Then they whip out their deagle and begin shooting. Which results in the people in the car he pulled over to grab their guns and kill the cop. This then creates the police officer to usually say in public "I get Dm'd by the group so and so again" in which when I see that I usually report them for provoking. Most criminals who say that about anything else receive kicks or something. But yea, I think this is the usual scenario. If you want screen shots, I will gladly take some and email them to you. Won't be hard to get. Hell, I will keep fraps up so I can get you a nice video clip.

[eymas]

Greetings fellow players! I'd like to remind a few of you some things that most do on a daily basis on the server, and which are against the server rules.

Criminals:
You guys are meant to evade the police, not go after them randomly to any cop you see or follow them on purpose so they will go after you. Copbaiting is against the rules!
( :ps: Purposely doing it will get you heavily punished, can be dealt with a ban/kick or even a weapons revoke plus serve in Admin-Jail.)

When a suspect passes me by I do not pursuit him unless needed.

Abused?
In such case, you should never whine on the chat or especially shout in caps "HELP IM ABUSED". You must surrender imediatelly (/gu) if you feel abused, and ask for an investigation! If you ever happen to be 'abused' and you do not surrender(/gu), the crime will be valid by refusing to co-operate and by fleeing.

This sadly happens a lot.

After being punished/kicked incorrectly:

• You may return to the server, and PM the admin who punished you CALMLY. If you talk back or flame back, things wont be nice.
• You may use the community e-mail to report the administrator in case you feel the move was invalid ([email protected])
• Let it be a lesson if the punishment was fair, and treat/respect rules next time.

Last but not least, remember that you should respect every player equally. Treat others nice, the same way you'd want to be treated!

Agree.

[Gandalf]

He's being reasonable, some of the suspections are quite interesting. You as an owner should see some of them of course. Besides Stefano has it wrong, when you get pulled over and then suspected it isn't for assault...its usually something like 'atempt kill polic' or something along them lines. Then they whip out their deagle and begin shooting. Which results in the people in the car he pulled over to grab their guns and kill the cop. This then creates the police officer to usually say in public "I get Dm'd by the group so and so again" in which when I see that I usually report them for provoking. Most criminals who say that about anything else receive kicks or something. But yea, I think this is the usual scenario. If you want screen shots, I will gladly take some and email them to you. Won't be hard to get. Hell, I will keep fraps up so I can get you a nice video clip.

Which shows that instead of DMing cops who suspect you for false reason, you should /gu and go to the PD for investigation. If every player who gets suspected falsely would do this, the new cops on duty would receive teaching in what they do wrong and if they got under eyes of superiors a couple of times would be suspended from cop duty.
By your reaction fo shooting, you are teaching new players that its ok to suspect and hold a gunfight,
So once again its YOU who are giving the wronNg example and having the wRONg attitude towards new players.

[Orel]

@gandalf, i do agree with you but sadly people doesnt have time to sit in investigation 1 hour, they came into the server to have fun and play, not to sit in the investigation room 1 hour to get suspected or even get jailed at the end..

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

Please give me at least one time and date when this happened.
If you can not use the banana rule.

I don't usually write down dates of when I get abused, but from now on I will and I will keep you updated.

Hell, I will keep fraps up so I can get you a nice video clip.

Which shows that instead of DMing cops who suspect you for false reason, you should /gu and go to the PD for investigation. If every player who gets suspected falsely would do this, the new cops on duty would receive teaching in what they do wrong and if they got under eyes of superiors a couple of times would be suspended from cop duty.
By your reaction fo shooting, you are teaching new players that its ok to suspect and hold a gunfight,
So once again its YOU who are giving the wronNg example and having the wRONg attitude towards new players.

It's not that players are new and need a guiding, it's that they purposely misuse the /su command to get their money.
Also if I had to /gu and go for an investigation once or twice a week, sure. But once or twice a day? That's getting out of hand.

[Gandalf]

I don't usually write down dates of when I get abused, but from now on I will and I will keep you updated.It's not that players are new and need a guiding, it's that they purposely misuse the /su command to get their money.
Also if I had to /gu and go for an investigation once or twice a week, sure. But once or twice a day? That's getting out of hand.

If they do they get copbanned. By constantly going for investigation you teach people. By shooting and complaining you make things worse. Lead by example, not by moaning.

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

If they do they get copbanned. By constantly going for investigation you teach people. By shooting and complaining you make things worse. Lead by example, not by moaning.

Actually I never open fire nor do I moan, I just drive away, but I get your point.

[Orel]

If they do they get copbanned. By constantly going for investigation you teach people. By shooting and complaining you make things worse. Lead by example, not by moaning.

yea sadly they do it only for money beacuse omg money is so improtant in a GAME.. people doesnt understand its a GAME and not real life where you need money.. idgaf about money, every guy who asks me for money gets atlaest 50000 or more beaucse i have nothing to do with that.. people should understand that its a game and you play for fun not for comptetion with other people who has more $$

[Cross]

If they do they get copbanned. By constantly going for investigation you teach people. By shooting and complaining you make things worse. Lead by example, not by moaning.

Indeed.
It might take some time yes, but by doing this new players will learn how to roleplay as a police officer.
Shooting or moaning doesn't solve anything.
Seven out of ten times the person that abuses the /su command doesn't even know that he is doing something wrong unless told otherwise.

[Mario_Rinna]

Last but not least, remember that you should respect every player equally.

Then change topic's name, unless you're saying all criminals are moaners and copbaiters.

[Xander]

Which shows that instead of DMing cops who suspect you for false reason, you should /gu and go to the PD for investigation. If every player who gets suspected falsely would do this, the new cops on duty would receive teaching in what they do wrong and if they got under eyes of superiors a couple of times would be suspended from cop duty.
By your reaction fo shooting, you are teaching new players that its ok to suspect and hold a gunfight,
So once again its YOU who are giving the wronNg example and having the wRONg attitude towards new players.

Did you not read what I said before that? It's me who's causing the problem? Also according to your little rules, that isn't DMing cops, as I said...when they ENGAGE. Anyway, It isn't my responsibility as a criminal to teach new cops on how to properly be a police officer in our community, if I was roleplaying a Cop I would gladly teach people how to properly handle situations and such. So quit making it seem that it's up to criminal players to show the 'new' cops how to properly roleplay a cop, sound good? Besides there are two sides to every coin, and I am trying to reveal the other side, which you're turning the cold shoulder to. Anyway, how about we have the SAPD hold trainings for these new cops so they know how to properly roleplay what they want. One other thing that needs to be pointed out is that nowhere in any of my text was I referring to just new cops, I was grouping them all as a whole. It's criminals fault that some cops are abusive with the /su command and usually start gun fights with criminals. Next time they will try to teach them how to be good civil police officers and how to roleplay, they will hold their hand as they hang around so we can be one big Criminal-Police family...oh please.
Honestly Gandalf it isn't me, you, rock, stefano, or just the people posting in this topic. This is a community wide problem that needs to be solved from both sides. You make it seem like I don't want to roleplay with people who are cops or whatever, by accusing me like this is Salem 1692 and I am a witch who is going to be burned is not helping anything out. I KNOW I am doing things right, I always follow the rules and try to influence others to do so. You want me to /gu and go to the police dept for an investigation that will result in script abusive /jail, fine think that way. I will stick with self defense and /guing to a cop that I KNOW isn't abusive, and talk to him about the abusive cop I saw. I prefer roleplay over gun fights ANYDAY. So as I stated before, this is a community problem, not just our own small situation. Especially when you consider that most of the SA:MP server is either Criminal or Cop. I really hope that people come together and quit pointing fingers at eachother constantly, not mature to accuse people when you don't even know them.

If they do they get copbanned. By constantly going for investigation you teach people. By shooting and complaining you make things worse. Lead by example, not by moaning.

This makes sense, this can be and should be applied to everyone on both sides of the situation. As for investigation, just turn yourself into a cop you know isn't abusive, therefore you can ahve that cop teach the other new cop(since this topic is now about new cops) how to use the commands and such.

[Exterminator]

If they do they get copbanned. By constantly going for investigation you teach people. By shooting and complaining you make things worse. Lead by example, not by moaning.

Actually, quick ingame fact:

I have been playing for almost 2 years now, and i have barely come across, what like five deaths from new players?

The ones who actually dm are the old players. Most of them ex-SAPD or current-SWAT. They just buy guns and armor, and decide its not worth jailing people so they decide to pew pew on the spot, theres no rule stopping them right?

[Link9rly]

@gandalf, i do agree with you but sadly people doesnt have time to sit in investigation 1 hour, they came into the server to have fun and play, not to sit in the investigation room 1 hour to get suspected or even get jailed at the end..

People that take an online game this seriously honestly are turning it into something too realistic, something which San Andreas was never meant to be as a base game. One hour doing one investigation? I've got better stuff to do than to sit in front of a computer for one straight hour pretending to defend myself and my rights to a bunch of, from what I've experienced, corrupted cops. It also is very stupid, in my opinion, to have to give up because of a cop's ignorance, as if it's my fault. Whenever I try to give my opinion about it, I get banana'd or get the "Hurr /gu". And before you start telling me to "teach them", how come I was never taught anything? I was never told regulations or anything. Even while being taken into training, I never followed any regulation. I'm sure they can do the same.

Please give me at least one time and date when this happened.
If you can not use the banana rule.

http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=26033.msg241452

That's for me, for any others, you'll surely find some here.
http://arpd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?board=55.0