Tests hint at possible Arafat poisoning

[SafetyMoose]

So those who are in a state of war don't have internet?
Lets review this chart?

Tell me if these two(1|2) are legal? (Warning - containing gore - view at your own risk)

Here is an Israeli soldier and Israeli civilians (Warning - containing gore - view at your own risk). They are probably enjoying a tan?

I just have to warn you, this is probably just one big montage, there is no conflict going on there. Right?
The question is NOT who's land is it.
The question is NOT who's God is it.
People live there. Just ordinary people. None of them should be authorized of that! None of them is privileged and none of them have any kind of justification for death!
Now I'll just wait your Anglo-spheric supreme judgment to call me sick and twisted for posting these pictures. I know and I sympathize, the westerners are not really used to reality. They have their own kind of news.

I have worked with Homicide at my department, I know what dead people look like thank you very much and have witnessed death first hand. Its true, I live in a completely different world then these people, one that is a hell of a lot more civilised. Israel is my countries ally, So I support them, I support my government just as much as Rami here supports his views on Palestine. It is honourable that Rami feels the way he does, However voicing his opinion online frankly does not seem to be the right way to solve things. You can post pictures of dead civilians all you want, I see these pictures on the news over here or online. I am not blind to the world, I just don't think palestine has any justification for the violence they themselves cause, they enjoy playing the victim. All they have to do is assimilate in to the regions society but they choose to remain outcasts.

My view wont change just as Much as Rami's wont, I have witnessed what goes on in Africa and am returning there on the 19th to volunteer there, do not take me for someone who has not witnessed the negatives of the world, I certainly have but I am confident in my conservative viewpoint on the way the world is run, and Palestine's justification and excuses just dont sit well with me.

[Void]

I have worked with Homicide at my department, I know what dead people look like thank you very much and have witnessed death first hand. Its true, I live in a completely different world then these people, one that is a hell of a lot more civilised. Israel is my countries ally, So I support them, I support my government just as much as Rami here supports his views on Palestine. It is honourable that Rami feels the way he does, However voicing his opinion online frankly does not seem to be the right way to solve things. You can post pictures of dead civilians all you want, I see these pictures on the news over here or online. I am not blind to the world, I just don't think palestine has any justification for the violence they themselves cause, they enjoy playing the victim. All they have to do is assimilate in to the regions society but they choose to remain outcasts.

My view wont change just as Much as Rami's wont, I have witnessed what goes on in Africa and am returning there on the 19th to volunteer there, do not take me for someone who has not witnessed the negatives of the world, I certainly have but I am confident in my conservative viewpoint on the way the world is run, and Palestine's justification and excuses just dont sit well with me.

First of, I see you completely missed my point. Let me simplify it.
The intention of those pictures were not to transform you to a supporter of any belligerent party. Their intention was to show how contemplating on the legality or justification of war is never a wise choice. You are a human being just like Rami is. Taking or losing a life is not an easy matter to see, hear and especially discuss.
My statements refer to life. Politics are not my intention. Who's right and who's wrong doesn't matter because right now someone is mourning their dead.

[Rami]

Israel is my countries ally, So I support them.

That's blind thought.
If my friend's friend is murder, does not mean he is my friend. I can change what's around me. Just because it's your country's ally doesn't mean whatever it does is correct and right, and must be honored for.

You can post pictures of dead civilians all you want, I see these pictures on the news over here or online.

You're one of few then.

I am not blind to the world, I just don't think palestine has any justification for the violence they themselves cause, they enjoy playing the victim. All they have to do is assimilate in to the regions society but they choose to remain outcasts.

Why do you think letting go your own home, land, & country is that easy?
My people is full of national affiliation, we are an existed people, we are here, and we are not moving in any situation.
Don't you have national affiliation, too? Or you would just leave your land & country without carrying about what you left behind?

[SafetyMoose]

That's blind thought.
If my friend's friend is murder, does not mean he is my friend. I can change what's around me. Just because it's your country's ally doesn't mean whatever it does is correct and right, and must be honored for.

One must be loyal to their friends or else you are not a true friend.

Why do you think letting go your own home, land, & country is that easy?
My people is full of national affiliation, we are an existed people, we are here, and we are not moving in any situation.
Don't you have national affiliation, too? Or you would just leave your land & country without carrying about what you left behind?

Palestinians are not being forced to leave their country, if Israel did not want you there they would have killed everyone a long time ago. You have the opportunity to live in peace if you just accept that your land is part of Israel. Many countries in the world have people of different nationalities living together, look at Canada, we have thousands of Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus all living together without feeling the need to kill each other. You have the power to make changes but sacrifices need to be made and those sacrifices don't need to be lives.

[Rami]

One must be loyal to their friends or else you are not a true friend.

I go with what conscience, because if my friend was a murderer, he's not a friend.

Palestinians are not being forced to leave their country, if Israel did not want you there they would have killed everyone a long time ago. You have the opportunity to live in peace if you just accept that your land is part of Israel. Many countries in the world have people of different nationalities living together, look at Canada, we have thousands of Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus all living together without feeling the need to kill each other. You have the power to make changes but sacrifices need to be made and those sacrifices don't need to be lives.

Yes they are being forced to leave their land. In 1948, just when all it began, Israelis started with force, not even told them "We claim this out land, get the hell out", they just killed them with the most awful ways, and you can check it up on internet.

There's something you're missing .. We do not disagree with pluralism, we have always (Since the beginning of the conflict) wanted to live together in peace side by side, but Israelis never wanted to do so.

And who told you they didn't try to kill us all together? Just once again you proof you have lack of history information.
Deir Yassin massacre, Abu Shusha massacre, Al-Tira massacre, Balad al-Shaykh massacre massacre, Bayt Nabalam massacre, Ein al-Zeitun massacre.

And money others, have you ever heard of them? Of course not, because you are misleaded by media but still claiming that you know everything.

We want to live in peace, and create our own state in 1967 borders with East Jerusalem to be our capital, are we asking for much? No.

And for your information, we are recognized by the most of the world as a full Palestinian State with the borders of 1967 and East Jerusalem as our capital.

[SafetyMoose]

I go with what conscience, because if my friend was a murderer, he's not a friend.

Yes they are being forced to leave their land. In 1948, just when all it began, Israelis started with force, not even told them "We claim this out land, get the hell out", they just killed them with the most awful ways, and you can check it up on internet.

There's something you're missing .. We do not disagree with pluralism, we have always (Since the beginning of the conflict) wanted to live together in peace side by side, but Israelis never wanted to do so.

And who told you they didn't try to kill us all together? Just once again you proof you have lack of history information.
Deir Yassin massacre, Abu Shusha massacre, Al-Tira massacre, Balad al-Shaykh massacre massacre, Bayt Nabalam massacre, Ein al-Zeitun massacre.

And money others, have you ever heard of them? Of course not, because you are misleaded by media but still claiming that you know everything.

We want to live in peace, and create our own state in 1967 borders with East Jerusalem to be our capital, are we asking for much? No.

And for your information, we are recognized by the most of the world as a full Palestinian State with the borders of 1967 and East Jerusalem as our capital.

if they wanted you out, why do they give you internet? Why do they provide you with power? Why have they not just carpet bombed you to all hell? They have the ability to do it. What you explain makes no logical sense, you say they want to kill all of you, yet they give you services and have yet to kill you? This does not make sense to me.


That map represent those countries that recognise you as a "State" ,not a country. This only means they understand you are attempting to differentiate yourself from israel. You may also notice with that map that the majority of the worlds Powerful nations don't accept it.

[Rami]

if they wanted you out, why do they give you internet? Why do they provide you with power? Why have they not just carpet bombed you to all hell? They have the ability to do it. What you explain makes no logical sense, you say they want to kill all of you, yet they give you services and have yet to kill you? This does not make sense to me.

That map represent those countries that recognise you as a "State" ,not a country. This only means they understand you are attempting to differentiate yourself from israel. You may also notice with that map that the majority of the worlds Powerful nations don't accept it.

You think any of this is free? We get water, power, and internet from them for triple price, once again, something you don't know.
I pay for a 256kb/s internet connection 48$ a month. And same applies on other services.

They also obligates us to use their currency (Shekel) so we help them rising their economy. It's all planned and studied, just your thick mind refuses to get it in.

We provide them with 19% percent of their economy in total, because we are obligated to and has no any other choice.

They don't kill us all for this, and also, to show the community that .. "There, they are living in their land, nobody is touching them, see?".
Israel has already put itself in too much troubles in Middle East, including Iran's Nuclear Program, I don't think it currently needs any more troubles, or it would be wiped out in a single night by all the countries it has conflicts with.

You have proved that you have no any knowledge about this conflict, and I am not going to continue this discussion with you because of the lack of knowledge you got about this case. Hope you understand this.

[SafetyMoose]

You have proved that you have no any knowledge about this conflict, and I am not going to continue this discussion with you because of the lack of knowledge you got about this case. Hope you understand this.

Hey, If you give up that easy. you have no hopes of saving your supposed country.

[Rami]

Hey, If you give up that easy. you have no hopes of saving your supposed country.

I didn't give up, I'm just sick of wasting my time.

[Jellyfish]

So now, are we back on the Arafat killers?
Al-Qaeda?
KGB?
Massad?
The Simpsons?

[SafetyMoose]

I didn't give up, I'm just sick of wasting my time.

Theres a difference?

[yoske]

That map represent those countries that recognise you as a "State" ,not a country. This only means they understand you are attempting to differentiate yourself from israel. You may also notice with that map that the majority of the worlds Powerful nations don't accept it.

Well it isn't hard to guess why. Those "powerful" nations do what USA says, hardly they have their own opinion of the situation. If by powerful you mean on military strength then I see much more powerful states that recognize Palestine.

Also I would like to know what is your point of discussing here? I've read all topic but not sure what are you trying to prove  :trust:

[Gandalf]

Well, I don't think you remember well then.
Hammas-PA problems started in 2006-2007, which are 2-3 years after Arafat was killed. Problems between Hammas and PA were never exist before then.

In 1993 Arafat signed peace with Israel. Who started to do suicide bombings to undermine this peace ? HAMAS.
Who were until his death the largest political enemy of Arafat because unlike him they did not want to have peace with Israel? HAMAS.
Sure people lie to you. and you believe them.

Nations started to rise after the beginning of the 20th century. In 1917 (Just at the beginning of 20th century), the Levant was invaded by British forces under the name of "British Mandate". This was completely negative for the whole Levant, including Palestine.
So how do you expect us to be able to build modern cities during an invasion?

And before the British invasion you were part of the Ottoman Empire, and before that, and before that....
So you were never a country.
How do you think countries like Egypt, India and others were able to build things under British rule and you were not ?

We are a nation that had a rough time in our history, out of an invasion, and in another.

You were never a nation. You just belonged to several other countries, like now you belong to Israel.

Islam never, ever, stated that other nations/peoples are slaves. Islam is against slavery, and it started being forbidden 1500 years ago.
Islam teaches us to be friendly to other nations, weather their religions are. But if they attempt to harm us, we won't go along with it and say its fine.
Get your facts right.

Ever heard of the Khalifa ? Do not tell me jokes about Islam, I can beat you on that subject any day.

My facts are right, its yours who are screwed.

Sorry, just two possibilities, either you are drunk, or high.
I've been to Gaza in 2010 to check out my relatives after the war, 3 members of my aunt's family were missing.
Houses, mosques, universities, UN HQ's & branches, even hospitals were doomed.

Stop fighting for my own right after all what my people suffered? And after all what I personally & my family suffered? Just No, unless a truthful honest peace is signed by both governments, where my country gets it's full rights, an official Palestinian State on the borders of 1967.

Your government will never sign such peace. They prefer to continue the hate.

If you are willing to start a flamewar, I'm out of this. I won't really go down to such level and start insulting other nations according to wrong thoughts that I got from a disinformation'ed media.
Be man? Hmm .. Probably a description that many spoiled westerns misses it.
Real men are made here, in Palestine.
We have suffered enough along the past decades.
We are the only occupied nation on earth till today.

Ever heard of Kurdistan ? Ever heard of Moluks? Ever heard of Tamil? Ever heard of Serbians in Kosovo?
Apart from that you were never a nation, you are not the only people who consider themselves occupied.

Trust me .. Real men are made in Palestine.

Perhaps if they are Jewish who are born there.

[Rami]

In 1993 Arafat signed peace with Israel. Who started to do suicide bombings to undermine this peace ? HAMAS.
Who were until his death the largest political enemy of Arafat because unlike him they did not want to have peace with Israel? HAMAS.
Sure people lie to you. and you believe them.And before the British invasion you were part of the Ottoman Empire, and before that, and before that....
So you were never a country.
How do you think countries like Egypt, India and others were able to build things under British rule and you were not ?
Ever heard of the Khalifa ? Do not tell me jokes about Islam, I can beat you on that subject any day.

We never had the chance to.
Palestine is the most strategic place in the world. It connects 3 continents together, it's also the birthplace of three monotheistic religions.
All nations wanted to put hands on Palestine along the history, and that's a historical fact, but I'm not sure if you are educated enough to know it.

You were never a nation. You just belonged to several other countries, like now you belong to Israel.

We belong to Palestine, which is completely occupied by Israel.

My facts are right, its yours who are screwed.

You think any of these will last forever? They will be taken down by Israel just in few years from now, just like Arafat's International Airport.

Your government will never sign such peace. They prefer to continue the hate.
Apart from that you were never a nation, you are not the only people who consider themselves occupied.Perhaps if they are Jewish who are born there.

LOL, seriously .. You just proved that you've got no any relation to history.
Aren't Israelis the ones who came from all around the world to Israel? From Europe, US, Africa, and even Asia. They don't have 1 family tree.
Palestinians has always been a nation. A nation that some of you hates, but most of you supports.
You are probably sad for getting lack of attention in this topic, so you are trying to ascend the tone of the dialogue, that's just pathetic.
You are embarrassing yourself.

[Gandalf]

We never had the chance to.
Palestine is the most strategic place in the world. It connects 3 continents together, it's also the birthplace of three monotheistic religions.
All nations wanted to put hands on Palestine along the history, and that's a historical fact, but I'm not sure if you are educated enough to know it.
We belong to Palestine, which is completely occupied by Israel.

Palestine does not exist, except in your mind. That you wish to become a nation is something different.

You think any of these will last forever? They will be taken down by Israel just in few years from now, just like Arafat's International Airport.

You denied they existed. Now you tell they will be taken down? Get a grip on that Palestinians are trying to hide that they are very capable of leading a normal life as long as they stop hating and attacking.

LOL, seriously .. You just proved that you've got no any relation to history.
Aren't Israelis the ones who came from all around the world to Israel? From Europe, US, Africa, and even Asia. They don't have 1 family tree.
Palestinians has always been a nation. A nation that some of you hates, but most of you supports.

Palestinians just like Jewish are people. Some are scattered around the world, some have remained true to their birth area. Some live in the Palestine territories, some live in Israel.
What you should understand is that I do not deny you the right to form a country. I just disapprove of the constant victim card Palestinians play, as well as that most refuse to allow Israel to exist.
And the last is exactly the reason why Israel will never allow Palestina to become independent, and it will take a long time until you have a free transport. As soon as Palestina declares they will live in peace with Israel, and will no longer dispute  the existence, you might get real support. Right now more and more people and countries see how many false facts are fabricated, and how Palestinians can do nothing but hate. That makes you lose support until it is at a level where you really might be killed

You are probably sad for getting lack of attention in this topic, so you are trying to ascend the tone of the dialogue, that's just pathetic.
You are embarrassing yourself.

So far I embarrassed you on every 'fact' you are telling. Sorry but such things do not work on me. My tone is my tone, and what I tell you are facts. That you do not wish to accept them I understand, as you are stuck in being a brainwashed victim.
I do feel sorry that you lost family due to this conflict, and I wish for all to stop the fighting and find a peaceful solution. But to stop the fighting you must be willing to be more than a victim.