Police officer shot dead in street

[SafetyMoose]

I gave a proper description of the town, been there.

Sure you have.

[Gandalf]

Sure you have.

Indeed. Visited the Super Show in Atlanta, and as the taxi driver lost his way, came through it.

[SafetyMoose]

Indeed. Visited the Super Show in Atlanta, and as the taxi driver lost his way, came through it.

ill have to remember this excuse the next time I get forum banned for making a negative comment about a certain place.

[Gandalf]

ill have to remember this excuse the next time I get forum banned for making a negative comment about a certain place.

I am telling the truth, you would lie. That is the difference.

[SafetyMoose]

I am telling the truth, you would lie. That is the difference.

Implying you could prove if I have or have not visited a certain place. Just as its incredibly convenient of you to say you have visited a place without the ability for anyone to disprove it.

[Gandalf]

Implying you could prove if I have or have not visited a certain place. Just as its incredibly convenient of you to say you have visited a place without the ability for anyone to disprove it.

If the place would have been in Texas I would not have been able to comment on it.
Truth is hard to accept for you, just as that a gun is bad for people.
Now return to topic.

[SafetyMoose]

Guns are just like cops. People only focus on the bad stories and then judge everything based on the very few bad cases over the many, many good cases where they save lives.

Guns slow down the property crime rate (especially burglaries). The chart shows the handgun supply in America to the property crime rate.

60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. 40% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.
Source: Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms, James Wright and Peter
Rossi, Aldine, 1986


Less than 1% of firearms will ever be used in the commission of a crime.
Source: FBI Uniform Crime Statistics

[Gandalf]

Guns are just like cops. People only focus on the bad stories and then judge everything based on the very few bad cases over the many, many good cases where they save lives.

Guns slow down the property crime rate (especially burglaries). The chart shows the handgun supply in America to the property crime rate.

60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. 40% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.
Source: Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms, James Wright and Peter
Rossi, Aldine, 1986

With a similar chart you can prove that handgun supply effects Global warming.

[SafetyMoose]

You could say that about any graph then, so if your trying to make the argument now that graphs should not be used for any stat comparison, you have bigger issues then gun control.


A survey of felons revealed the following:
74% of felons agreed that "one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at
home is that they fear being shot during the crime."
57% of felons polled agreed, "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed
victim than they are about running into the police."

Source: The Armed Criminal in America: A Survey of Incarcerated Felons, U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics
Federal Firearms Offenders study, 1997: National Institute of Justice, Research Report, July 1985,
Department of Justice

[Gandalf]

You could say that about any graph then, so if your trying to make the argument now that graphs should not be used for any stat comparison, you have bigger issues then gun control.


A survey of felons revealed the following:
74% of felons agreed that "one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at
home is that they fear being shot during the crime."
57% of felons polled agreed, "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed
victim than they are about running into the police."

Source: The Armed Criminal in America: A Survey of Incarcerated Felons, U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics
Federal Firearms Offenders study, 1997: National Institute of Justice, Research Report, July 1985,
Department of Justice

Nothing strange, as criminals wish to live and not get caught.
Is there any research that shows these percentages have changed over time?

[SafetyMoose]

Nothing strange, as criminals wish to live and not get caught.
Is there any research that shows these percentages have changed over time?

I would get you a graph but you would just pull another global warming comment on it im sure.

[Gandalf]

I would get you a graph but you would just pull another global warming comment on it im sure.

Just consider this:

60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. 40% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.
Source: Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms, James Wright and Peter Rossi, Aldine, 1986

A survey of felons revealed the following:
74% of felons agreed that "one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at
home is that they fear being shot during the crime."
57% of felons polled agreed, "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed
victim than they are about running into the police."
Source: The Armed Criminal in America: A Survey of Incarcerated Felons, U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics
Federal Firearms Offenders study, 1997: National Institute of Justice, Research Report, July 1985,
Department of Justice

What would happen in one year that could cause such an incredible change in statistical evidence?

[SafetyMoose]

Just consider this:What would happen in one year that could cause such an incredible change in statistical evidence?

The first statistic is from a poll on convicted felons for any crime, the second is a poll that focuses on only criminals known to take part in break and enters and burglaries.

They are two completely different statistics that you are confusing yourself with.

[Gandalf]

The first statistic is from a poll on convicted felons for any crime, the second is a poll that focuses on only criminals known to take part in break and enters and burglaries.

They are two completely different statistics that you are confusing yourself with.

I am not confused, I just show you that you are misusing statistics to make a point you can not hold.
As for the change in these statistincs over time, I am waiting for your data...

[SafetyMoose]

I am not confused, I just show you that you are misusing statistics to make a point you can not hold.
As for the change in these statistincs over time, I am waiting for your data...

How is it a miss use? They are tow completely different statistics. One is focused on thieves, the other is all criminals. The point the second stats makes is that burglaries are prevented by guns. The first is a similar question directed to the mass of criminals instead of one particular type. Stop trying to make it look like im the one whos confused when you clearly can;t tell the difference between two fucking statistics.

Im not going to keep throwing solid, hard facts at you only for you to try and turn the argument in a direction that makes me look wrong simply because you have no clean rebuttal and can't understand the facts provided.

Going to sleep, almost 6 AM, Ill pick this up when I wake up if you decide to actual understand the difference between two different polls on two different demographics.