Constructive criticism

[KhornateMonkey]

Dude please!  :bow:

nigga plz*

[Morais]

Just something that I found on the Argonath Wiki:

Problem: Your definition of role-play. A good role-play can't just get "ruined", hardly "disturbed".
Solution: If you expect that no one is allowed to interact with you while you're doing something else - go play The Sims.

http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/SA-MP_Solutions_against_deathmatchers,_abusers,_and_alike

[Boromir]

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=86639.0

[FlameMan]

How are we supposed to roleplay if we are being obstructed by admins who make bad decisions and rulebreakers ruining roleplay?
Let's start with reports. Nobody is looking in most of the reports, they are being ignored, fact. Don't even try to deny this. Countless of times I had to report hackers, rammers, deathmatchers, did someone look into my report after 5 times? No.

If you call the topic "constructive criticism" it does not automatically make it that way.
By this statement you are basically shitting on the server and the admin team, having no foundation or basis to do so.

1) No the server does not lack roleplay. If you think so - you're hanging out with wrong people or you don't roleplay yourself.
2) If admins obstruct you from roleplaying.. then there's something wrong with you.
3) Saying that admins don't react to reports is foolish in every point. Admins are responding to every report. Even if they are busy at the particular moment, they return to the report later on. You cannot see that but I can. I can see admins typing /on [report], or when they are returning to report they just notify other admins that they are taking it, without letting know to the reporter.
We do not ignore reports. If he were ignoring them, we would be dismissed from the team.

If you are reporting 5 times, be ready for a warn or kick for flooding. One report is really enough.
4) People have been saying about the SAPD and Argonath in general that they are falling apart for at least last 4 years. And as you can see, it still hasn't fallen.

[Karmps.]

There is RP going on everyday and anytime.And have you thinked of this: Maybe you are yourself the black sheep who doesnt RP.There are lots of roleplay groups out there.Clans, Criminal organisations, The SAPD.

[Dolfagr]

I myself always try to encourage Roleplay, both amongst veterans and new players. Do I change something, I hope so and I do think so since I am a confident person but does your post change anything, not at all, at least without facts supported by solid evidence.

If Argonath was so bad as you explained then can you explain how we survived in SA-MP for 6 years, were official for quite some time, and we have a big amount of players daily? You're free to criticise with solid evidence backed facts, then people will support you actually, but these are allegations, without solid evidence and that is technically Shitting on the community.

The same veterans who this community was build, are still playing and are still loyal. Argonath was built in a base of friendship and fun and not on shitting on each other. I am not sure if you're playing on another server, but trying to make Argonath change shape to fit yours won't happen aslong as the very same Veterans you keep talking about are loyal to it and there are people who care about this community, does not matter their registration date, all are equal.

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

Just something that I found on the Argonath Wiki:

http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/SA-MP_Solutions_against_deathmatchers,_abusers,_and_alike

Nothing to do with the topic.

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=86639.0

It's immature of you to call this shitting.
I am not posting this to pass time for your information.

If you call the topic "constructive criticism" it does not automatically make it that way.
By this statement you are basically shitting on the server and the admin team, having no foundation or basis to do so.

1) No the server does not lack roleplay. If you think so - you're hanging out with wrong people or you don't roleplay yourself.
2) If admins obstruct you from roleplaying.. then there's something wrong with you.
3) Saying that admins don't react to reports is foolish in every point. Admins are responding to every report. Even if they are busy at the particular moment, they return to the report later on. You cannot see that but I can. I can see admins typing /on [report], or when they are returning to report they just notify other admins that they are taking it, without letting know to the reporter.
We do not ignore reports. If he were ignoring them, we would be dismissed from the team.

If you are reporting 5 times, be ready for a warn or kick for flooding. One report is really enough.
4) People have been saying about the SAPD and Argonath in general that they are falling apart for at least last 4 years. And as you can see, it still hasn't fallen.

Dig into the topic some more and see what I based my accusations on will you?

1. I mostly hang out with Gvardia, and we are one of the only groups who actually try to stimulate roleplay.
You weren't there to see the roleplay occuring between + - 50 Argonath players.
Saying that we are lazy and that we do not roleplay is you shitting on us. Now what are you basing those accusations on?

2. Or there's something wrong with the admin obstructing at that time. Admins are not holy, see if the problem is with you or with us.

3. Again, dig further through the topic. After around 5 times of reporting an airbreaker and nothing happening, I can see that every report is checked.

4. No, because moaners and capitalists are not dominating the server at all.

There is RP going on everyday and anytime.And have you thinked of this: Maybe you are yourself the black sheep who doesnt RP.There are lots of roleplay groups out there.Clans, Criminal organisations, The SAPD.

Like said above, me and the people in my environment roleplay all the time.
I checked myself, I'm not the bllack sheep.

I myself always try to encourage Roleplay, both amongst veterans and new players. Do I change something, I hope so and I do think so since I am a confident person but does your post change anything, not at all, at least without facts supported by solid evidence.

If Argonath was so bad as you explained then can you explain how we survived in SA-MP for 6 years, were official for quite some time, and we have a big amount of players daily? You're free to criticise with solid evidence backed facts, then people will support you actually, but these are allegations, without solid evidence and that is technically Shitting on the community.

The same veterans who this community was build, are still playing and are still loyal. Argonath was built in a base of friendship and fun and not on shitting on each other. I am not sure if you're playing on another server, but trying to make Argonath change shape to fit yours won't happen aslong as the very same Veterans you keep talking about are loyal to it and there are people who care about this community, does not matter their registration date, all are equal.

What solid evidence do you need?

Quality not quantity. The atmosphere in the server has changed.

Argonath is the only server I play on, that's why I bothered making this topic.
Also saying this is shitting on the community is pathetic as hell.
Denying that there are more moneyhungers, moaners and dmers than rpers is also pathetic.

[Morais]

4 pages of your "Constructive Criticism" topic and you haven't presented any solution.

[Emre]

That's because there is no chance given and ever after post number two, the topic is built upon statements that have nothing to do / are complete shit anyway.Therefore, he has no chance to actually do anything but to respond to clueless posts.

I think what Stef said is true, certain things should change entirely but I don't think there's anything that you can revive with an intolerant majority.

[Morais]

That's because there is no chance given and ever after post number two, the topic is built upon statements that have nothing to do / are complete shit anyway.Therefore, he has no chance to actually do anything but to respond to clueless posts.

I think what Stef said is true, certain things should change entirely but I don't think there's anything that you can revive with an intolerant majority.

Present the problems -> Present your solutions.
He should be doing it since the 1st post.

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

Present the problems -> Present your solutions.
He should be doing it since the 1st post.

How to give solutions when you are being shat on by the majority who has its eyes closed?

[Emre]

I think he wanted to start a discussion so that the group can come to a conclusion / find a solution as a whole. If you have a solution for something that is meant to be a discussion, you might aswell make sure that the topic gets locked after post number one.

[Ted]

Argonath should be open to constructive criticism. Countless of topics containing this got locked, deleted and their advise got ignored. No wonder a lot of veterans left the server. They became sick of not being listened to. I myself have also reccomended something to increase RP, it got ignored. Now let me ask are you even trying?

This is because we have many members who like to turn topics into arguments rather than discussions.

[Morais]

This is because we have many members who like to turn topics into arguments rather than discussions.

^

If you think you're right, you should present the solutions, take the discussion and present solid and good arguments. At the moment I only see an argument related to Admin work and role-play.

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

This is because we have many members who like to turn topics into arguments rather than discussions.

I don't disagree.

^

If you think you're right, you should present the solutions, take the discussion and present solid and good arguments. At the moment I only see an argument related to Admin work and role-play.

And you don't get it.

Now people are disagreeing about lack of roleplay, what do you see as roleplay?