North Korea seeks immediate food aid after floods

[Aksel]

Kinda of what I meant, i mean, I agree, communism is a great idea, but the in every attempt to make it, the human being greedy nature f**ked it up and ended in a weird type of dictatorship.

Exactly. That's why a "revolution to communism" won't work. I had a conversation with a representative from FMLN in El Salvador, and they were revolutionary. I don't believe that will work, and the only reason a transformation into a true, justified communistic society will work, is trough elections. Sadly, the majority are yet to understand the basic concept of socialism. If they understood, they would certaintly vote red.
Post Merge: August 07, 2012, 01:35:02 am

The problem with Communism and the reason it won't work is because it removes the incentive for people to work hard for the good of the country. You all share the work load, and at the end of the day get the same pay as everyone else.

Absolutely not. The basic, basic, basic, basic structure of communism is that every person should work as less as possible, in order to have as much spare time as possible. Imagine, if everyone (except people with handicaps and mental/psychical problems) worked three hours a day, it would be enough to keep the industri up, all citizen employed and have a good infrastructure with good welfare posibilities with free school, health system etcetra.

[Wolfe]

Yes Aksel, I agree, such form of communism would be great, since capitalism is based on fucking others as Jay said, but what Jay defends is the form of communism these dictators use to control their people and make the rest of the world the "bad boys".

[JayL]

and make the rest of the world the "bad boys".

And what lead you to come to such a conclusion?

[Alsatian]

Absolutely not. The basic, basic, basic, basic structure of communism is that every person should work as less as possible, in order to have as much spare time as possible. Imagine, if everyone (except people with handicaps and mental/psychical problems) worked three hours a day, it would be enough to keep the industri up, all citizen employed and have a good infrastructure with good welfare posibilities with free school, health system etcetra.

It's well and good having the expectation for a nation's people to put in their fair share for the general prospertiy of everyone, but just look at those who abuse government benefits - they get a considerable sum of money on which they can live on, and so they feel no need to work. If everybody works for the same pay and generally got the same living regardless of their work, then do you honestly expect them to work hard? Why would they? There will be no consequence for them doing a poor job and as a result the economy will ultimately suffer.

Also, there's the more obvious problem: human greed. People always want a little more than they have and there's a dead certainty that there would be disagreements over salaries.

[Aksel]

It's well and good having the expectation for a nation's people to put in their fair share for the general prospertiy of everyone, but just look at those who abuse government benefits - they get a considerable sum of money on which they can live on, and so they feel no need to work. If everybody works for the same pay and generally got the same living regardless of their work, then do you honestly expect them to work hard? Why would they? There will be no consequence for them doing a poor job and as a result the economy will ultimately suffer.

Also, there's the more obvious problem: human greed. People always want a little more than they have and there's a dead certainty that there would be disagreements over salaries.

People who misuse the benefits of being a part of a communistic society will receive punishment, which is one of the reasons why we have a functional prison-system.

There will of course be people who misuse the system, but the main ideal is that everyone receives the same opportunities, no matter of ethnicity, parents, name etcetra.

[Wolfe]

And what lead you to come to such a conclusion?

North Korea's extreme isolationist government, along with threats agaisnt other countries. It's not like their leader is telling his people his a son of a bitch that is controlling them and making their lives miserable by investing into military power and that he should be removed from power ^^


I'm just trying to figure out what you're trying to defend Jay, dictators, be them capitalists, communists, socialists, nazi's, whatever, they should never be supported, it is something just plain wrong, submitting others to your will by the use of guns and military power, if you love to hate the US, sure, but what you're trying to achieve here is wrong, Dictators have the excuse for the crimes they comitted that they're just crazy for power, and that made them do such things, but people that actually support them, must be even crazier.

[JayL]

I'm just trying to figure out what you're trying to defend Jay, dictators, be them capitalists, communists, socialists, nazi's, whatever, they should never be supported, it is something just plain wrong, submitting others to your will by the use of guns and military power, if you love to hate the US, sure, but what you're trying to achieve here is wrong, Dictators have the excuse for the crimes they comitted that they're just crazy for power, and that made them do such things, but people that actually support them, must be even crazier.

If you ask someone on the street about Getulio Vargas, probably what they will tell you is that he was a dictator (if you are lucky enough to find someone who actually knows that he existed). Now compare him with the retards of Old Republic, of the military dictatorship or current presidents.

It was a ''dictator'' who put Brazil the closest possible to being a great power, to cite an example...

[Wolfe]

If you ask someone on the street about Getulio Vargas, probably what they will tell you is that he was a dictator (if you are lucky enough to find someone who actually knows that he existed). Now compare him with the retards of Old Republic, of the military dictatorship or current presidents.

It was a ''dictator'' who put Brazil the closest possible to being a great power, to cite an example...

I'm not doubing a dictators leadership skill, yes, Getulio Vargas did take a shitty country and made it a bigger power, but at what cost ? The torture of innocent people, and the death of free speech in Brazil.


As far as I can tell, you support Communism, a political idea that should give power to the people, yet at the same time, you agree the people should be tortured and opressed in order to achieve greater economical power..

[JayL]

Let go of access to good healthcare, education and a decent life without having to pay rivers of money for it, to be able to shit on a person and not recognise their good doings. Yeah, irresistible bargain I know.

[Wolfe]

Let go of access to good healthcare, education and a decent life without having to pay rivers of money for it, to be able to shit on a person and not recognise their good doings. Yeah, irresistible bargain I know.

You don't need a dictator for good healthcare, education and a decent life, look at Norway and other northern european countries for example.

[Teddy]

An exemplar way of conducting a debate. So once again, what do you propose we discuss here?

Re: North Korea seeks immediate food aid after floods

The topic could be a great start. This isn't about which country is politically self motivated. Since, well that leaves every country under the sun. The fact remains that there was a disaster in this country that has left them in a serious need of aid from others. Perhaps, keeping things on task would be a great start.

I myself have live up north, in a location near a river which in high rain would cause some overflow but not really flooding. However, I do remember a few years back a during a serious storm it got really serious, I do recall at that particular time that the entire basement was flooded and many roads to the other cities where nearly non-passable for a few days. Knowing this, I'd like to know how they plan to transport and deliver this emergency supply to citizens when, from my experience at least main methods of transportation was cut off and not a possible option.

[Wolfe]

The topic could be a great start. This isn't about which country is politically self motivated. Since, well that leaves every country under the sun. The fact remains that there was a disaster in this country that has left them in a serious need of aid from others. Perhaps, keeping things on task would be a great start.

I myself have live up north, in a location near a river which in high rain would cause some overflow but not really flooding. However, I do remember a few years back a during a serious storm it got really serious, I do recall at that particular time that the entire basement was flooded and many roads to the other cities where nearly non-passable for a few days. Knowing this, I'd like to know how they plan to transport and deliver this emergency supply to citizens when, from my experience at least main methods of transportation was cut off and not a possible option.

Great, we'll all discuss basement floods from now on.


My city was affected by the biggest flood to ever hit Brazil last year, over 800 people died and 2 neighbourhoods are filled with mud till this date, my government sucks and did nothing, the mayor stole most of the support money, was removed, the next one took over for 30 minutes and died of a heart attack, we've been ruled by a shitty guy from the chamber of whatever, do not remember his name, and now we're having elections.


Seriously, what do you expect us to discuss ? they ask for food aid, considering their a country that's isolated from the rest of the world, the question this topic makes is, will the other nations help ?

[supermanmk]

Communism is the true way its goal is to abolish state and money not create a police state like the USA says. North Korea deserves help.

[SugarD]

An exemplar way of conducting a debate. So once again, what do you propose we discuss here?

The news article, not the politics behind it. Don't forget, political discussions still aren't allowed here. If you guys can't think of anything to discuss, then it seems this topic no longer serves any purpose.


And to end this stupid fight about Communism versus Capitalism, there is no system that truly works. They all have their flaws, so comparing them is pointless...especially in a place where discussions about such aren't allowed.

[Teddy]

the question this topic makes is, will the other nations help ?

I don't see why they wouldn't. Well, actually I do and is exactly back to the question I asked how are they going to use it, and how are they going to get it. They need a plan to distribute it before they convince anyone that they are going to put the service to good use. Showing preparedness is an option they need to strategically develop and execute to ensure their country and their citizens get the food once it arrives.

Communism is the true way its goal is to abolish state and money not create a police state like the USA says. North Korea deserves help.

Don't forget, political discussions still aren't allowed here.