Empire State Building shooting

[Nathan]

"Police: All Empire State shooting victims were wounded by officers"

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Great....

[Dolfagr]

 Elite NYPD :wow:

[Kizzu]

I'm starting to think Dave Mustaine was right about Obama behind all this shit...  :redface:

Waaaa?

[[WS]Jacob]

It just gets worse for the NYPD...

[SugarD]

The more difficult to obtain, the less chances that someone in a fit of rage decides to grab a gun and shoot.

That could also be argued, because if everyone is carrying a weapon, not only are people less likely to shoot each other knowing the other person is "packing", but if it's a common knowledge in the area to operate the weapon, people are less likely to go on rampages with them, understanding how they work.

[Alsatian]

That could also be argued, because if everyone is carrying a weapon, not only are people less likely to shoot each other knowing the other person is "packing", but if it's a common knowledge in the area to operate the weapon, people are less likely to go on rampages with them, understanding how they work.

So what, have everyone carry a weapon? That's your idea of safety? I would never feel safe in that kind of atmosphere.

[SugarD]

So what, have everyone carry a weapon? That's your idea of safety? I would never feel safe in that kind of atmosphere.

How so? If everyone knows everyone has a gun, who's gonna try to get into a shootout? No one has an advantage, and thus no one feels more powerful with the weapon, rendering it basically useless. It's been proved in other countries, but it only works if it's fully supported.

Everyone not having access to weapons would work the same way in a perfect world, but our world is far from perfect, and thus people will try to obtain them anyway for that same power advantage.

[Alsatian]

How so? If everyone knows everyone has a gun, who's gonna try to get into a shootout? No one has an advantage, and thus no one feels more powerful with the weapon, rendering it basically useless. It's been proved in other countries, but it only works if it's fully supported.

A normal day out would be incredibly tense, and I for one would be constantly fretting over the possibility that some guy who's been having a rather bad day might snap, realise he has a gun and decide to express his anger through violent means.

I understand this is not a perfect world - it's far from it - but the solution is not putting a gun in the hand of every civilian to defend themselves in the event that someone goes on a killing rampage. People are still going to die, with the only difference being that such events are going to end more often in shootouts.

It's a difficult situation, as even increasing the police presence proves problematic, as we can see from the Empire shootings where the victims were all wounded by officers who have training in handling a firearm. I'm not putting blame on the officers, but just try and imagine armed civilians trying to take down someone (or even multiple people) opening fire in public - the crossfire could take more lives than it saves.

Still, a good start would be increasing the difficulty of obtaining weapons. At least remove them from local shops.

[SugarD]

A normal day out would be incredibly tense, and I for one would be constantly fretting over the possibility that some guy who's been having a rather bad day might snap, realise he has a gun and decide to express his anger through violent means.

More people in today's world have a weapon than you think. There's no reason to fear anything like that. If anything, you would have a better chance of being protected from such incidents because of it.

As for "snapping", people who usually go on these kinds of rampages have mental or psychological reasons that usually can be found long before they purchase the weapon to begin with. The problem is that with the ever-changing and varying gun laws across the United States, it's not difficult to obtain a weapon without having a mental evaluation done on you.

[Wolfe]

More people in today's world have a weapon than you think. There's no reason to fear anything like that. If anything, you would have a better chance of being protected from such incidents because of it.

As for "snapping", people who usually go on these kinds of rampages have mental or psychological reasons that usually can be found long before they purchase the weapon to begin with. The problem is that with the ever-changing and varying gun laws across the United States, it's not difficult to obtain a weapon without having a mental evaluation done on you.

The police exist to arrest criminals with guns, not other civilians, imagine someone robbing a store, and the police arrive, and there's 2 fucking robbers being shot by 4 civilians who have no practice whatsoever on doing that type of shit, it'd end up in a mess and innocent people dying.


We're past the fucking cowboy era ^^

[SugarD]

The police exist to arrest criminals with guns, not other civilians, imagine someone robbing a store, and the police arrive, and there's 2 f**king robbers being shot by 4 civilians who have no practice whatsoever on doing that type of shit, it'd end up in a mess and innocent people dying.


We're past the f**king cowboy era ^^

What you just described is 2 robbers and a couple cops with guns, and people working in the store that don't carry them. That is not at all what I described.

[[SE]Dr_Pepper27]

just because youre allowed to carry a gun doesn't mean you can press 2 to go to vigilante mode LOL.


if you ever carry a gun, youll understand the how safe you actually feel. if you don't have a gun in the house, you would not even remotely know what it's like therefore, you are unable to judge whether you feel safer or not with guns not around.

picture this, you're chasing some guy who just killed someone. all of a sudden, he opens fire at you. behind him is this and you must do what you have to do to stay alive.

[StanTheMan]

Well I watched the video and they handled it pretty safely... I don't see how anyone can blame the cops for shooting him.

[[WS]Jacob]

He opens fire at you. behind him is this and you must do what you have to do to stay alive.

Police primarily use the firearm to protect themselves, but it's also about protecting the bystanders too.

[Gandalf]

just because youre allowed to carry a gun doesn't mean you can press 2 to go to vigilante mode LOL.


if you ever carry a gun, youll understand the how safe you actually feel. if you don't have a gun in the house, you would not even remotely know what it's like therefore, you are unable to judge whether you feel safer or not with guns not around.

picture this, you're chasing some guy who just killed someone. all of a sudden, he opens fire at you. behind him is this and you must do what you have to do to stay alive.

If you are a cop do not chase but  instantly kill him.
If you are not, you have no business chasing him.