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[Kay_Rhasta]

I am not at ease right now. In fact, I am so close to leaving the community.
I will make my decision soon though.
We have chosen to RP with FBI, and because of it, we are being punished because "it's their job".
Please tell me who would want to participate and RP with the FBI when all they will get is punished by things getting taken away?
The FBI tell us we seem to be one of the few that actually RPs, which is why they chose to do this on us...
The work I have put into this family is going to be tossed out the window.
I can't decide if I'd want to be part of such injustice.
Not only did they send in an FBI agent undercover, but now they are receiving more info after killing off that agent.

Who am I to trust when all applicants/members say to trust them?
They are clearly getting more information.
Where is the fun in playing when FBI is taking every opportunity and way to get information on things I want to do with my family?
My fun is gone. In fact, I'm paranoid about who to trust anymore.
Because clearly anything I do, things will get taken away.

We are told we are a good RP group, while other groups love to DM like crazy.
Why not punish them? But no, the groups that dont deserve it get their hard work taken away.
I can deal with the silly jail time and not getting on... but the things we work hard for are taken
away because of our roleplay. Doesn't seem fair, does it?

If anyone wants to put in their negative comments, so be it.
But frankly I stand by what I say. No matter what it's injustice.
And the more negative comments I get, the more over the edge I will be.
If it has to be like that, I won't be staying around.

[Jones]

All groups are at risk of losing something. The reason the FBI has such a long application process is so we can ensure that we do not get our information stolen, and for the majority it has worked.

We do not intend to make you as you are now, our aim isn't to make you leave or doubt anyone else in the community. You've chosen to roleplay a criminal family and we roleplay the FBI, there are clearly going to be clashes within roleplay, but nothing should affect your view on the community because of that.

[Kay_Rhasta]

All groups are at risk of losing something. The reason the FBI has such a long application process is so we can ensure that we do not get our information stolen, and for the majority it has worked.

We do not intend to make you as you are now, our aim isn't to make you leave or doubt anyone else in the community. You've chosen to roleplay a criminal family and we roleplay the FBI, there are clearly going to be clashes within roleplay, but nothing should affect your view on the community because of that.

You don't want your information stolen?
Wow, I wonder what that's like.
How would you feel if there was multiple people in the FBI constantly giving out secrets, hm?
Would that piss you off?
Would you get frustrated that you wouldn't know who to trust?
That is how I feel. I cannot trust anyone here anymore because you are doing everything in your power
to do whatever you want in getting information. Your intent is not for me to leave.
But if you were in my place, how would you feel? I am trusting people by standard
when I bring them into our family. Sending an FBI agent didnt put me on edge.
In fact, I thought that was the end of it, which is why I didn't say anything then.
But now you guys keep receiving information only our group would know.
So there is more people getting involved. Tell me if this was happening in the FBI, especially if
you were the one leading it... you wouldn't be upset or be paranoid?
You couldn't fire everyone in the FBI. You would have to find who it is, being there are so many agents.

Do you even understand what is going on? Because consideration doesn't seem to be there for you.
You just do what you want, happy with information you get and don't worry about the psyche
of others.

[TonySforza]

The court case we have against us is demanding a probation of 4 or 5 weeks ,depending on wether we plea ourselves guilty or not guilty.
A criminal group, that is forbidden to RP for 1 month or over one month is clearly a way to shut down that group, and as such, It is spitting on someone's hard work, of 5 months of work in this family, It's a disrespect for someone's work and dedication.
We did nothing but RP, seeing that the community likes to stereotypically shout out that "Criminal groups only DM", well, we showed them wrong, we actually RPed, but unfortunantly more and more I do know now why criminal groups do not RP with the FBI, as we want to offer them fun RP, instead of the usual chase and shoot, and what we get is this.

If the FBI wishes to RP a mordor sentence, so be it, It's a RP server all in all, but threatning to take all of our marijuana, threatened to take all of my money and wants to prevent the group from RPing crime, by going against Gandalf's vision, by trying to limit one's RP because they feel good about themselves is merely pathetic.

Don't forget, without crime the FBI is nothing, if you try and take groups down like this, then a very boring RP future awaits you.
And the community will lose many members as criminals want to play to have fun, not to play and have their hard work taken away.

Never has this case happened with other RP groups, ours seems to be the first one, If I'm not mistaken, why go overboard with demands?
Post Merge: February 18, 2013, 07:31:21 pmRegardless, a letter was sent to Gandalf about this FBI action that goes against his own vision.

But still, we won't go down without a fight, you don't have any consideration for us, and as such, we will not have any more consideration for you, we will throw everything we have against you, dirty or not.

[Jones]

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I know what it feels like, whilst in a command position I have had to deal with similar situations.. But we don't announce our punishments to the public.

A similar situation happened to the FBI before, check the court case posted by Fernando. The FBI dealt with it in it's own way.. Security was hugely increased, procedures were changed...

We do not fire everyone in the FBI, we have a way to sort out such which even the agents do not know for that same reason..

I know why you feel like you do, but you shouldn't.

[Kay_Rhasta]

I know what it feels like, whilst in a command position I have had to deal with similar situations.. But we don't announce our punishments to the public.

A similar situation happened to the FBI before, check the court case posted by Fernando. The FBI dealt with it in it's own way.. Security was hugely increased, procedures were changed...

We do not fire everyone in the FBI, we have a way to sort out such which even the agents do not know for that same reason..

I know why you feel like you do, but you shouldn't.

You find out easier than we do because youre FBI.
You don't use RP to find out, I'm sure. You can't hack someone's skype or
anything outside of Argonath. If you use something inside of argonath, it would be having
the ability to go back and look at logs. Do we have any ability like that? No.
You have your advantages to find out the snitches. We don't.
Tell me right now how fair this is. Tell me the next RP group that will ever want to participate
in RPs with you? Tell me what will be taken away from you when information is given out?
You sure as hell would be pissed if it was the possessions you worked hard for.

[Marlon_bond]

I am not at ease right now. In fact, I am so close to leaving the community.
I will make my decision soon though.
We have chosen to RP with FBI, and because of it, we are being punished because "it's their job".
Please tell me who would want to participate and RP with the FBI when all they will get is punished by things getting taken away?
The FBI tell us we seem to be one of the few that actually RPs, which is why they chose to do this on us...
The work I have put into this family is going to be tossed out the window.
I can't decide if I'd want to be part of such injustice.
Not only did they send in an FBI agent undercover, but now they are receiving more info after killing off that agent.

Who am I to trust when all applicants/members say to trust them?
They are clearly getting more information.
Where is the fun in playing when FBI is taking every opportunity and way to get information on things I want to do with my family?
My fun is gone. In fact, I'm paranoid about who to trust anymore.
Because clearly anything I do, things will get taken away.

We are told we are a good RP group, while other groups love to DM like crazy.
Why not punish them? But no, the groups that dont deserve it get their hard work taken away.
I can deal with the silly jail time and not getting on... but the things we work hard for are taken
away because of our roleplay. Doesn't seem fair, does it?

If anyone wants to put in their negative comments, so be it.
But frankly I stand by what I say. No matter what it's injustice.
And the more negative comments I get, the more over the edge I will be.
If it has to be like that, I won't be staying around.

No need to spill any more words about this Kayl, you're complete right! Such a shame that they handle us like this after doin so much good..

[Shejken]

I don't really understand whats the matter here.

You are one of the very few groups we, as FBI, decided to RP a scene like this with. I mean if i would lead a criminal group and members of law enforcement would setup RP like this (SAPD+FBI+SWAT) it would be a honor for me. There are multiple other mafias which habits contains only DMing, of course we are not interested about them and will not do nothing like this with them but just leave admins to deal with it.

And having drugs removed is not really so big thing, just a little downhill in the roleplay.

Its not just once or twice when there have been snitch in FBI selling/delivering secret files and folders to criminals, downhills occur for us too...

Your friend, not an enemy
Shej

[Doggie]

No, darn this. Don't leave D:

[TonySforza]

I don't really understand whats the matter here.

You are one of the very few groups we, as FBI, decided to RP a scene like this with. I mean if i would lead a criminal group and members of law enforcement would setup RP like this (SAPD+FBI+SWAT) it would be a honor for me. There are multiple other mafias which habits contains only DMing, of course we are not interested about them and will not do nothing like this with them but just leave admins to deal with it.

And having drugs removed is not really so big thing, just a little downhill in the roleplay.

Its not just once or twice when there have been snitch in FBI selling/delivering secret files and folders to criminals, downhills occur for us too...

Your friend, not an enemy
Shej

It would be an honor, to take away all of your posessions and forbid you from RPing what you RP the best and the most for one month.
I'll meet you ingame if you wish to give us all of your possessions.

That's our problem, the FBI wanting to LIMIT us from RPing.

[Kay_Rhasta]

I don't really understand whats the matter here.

You are one of the very few groups we, as FBI, decided to RP a scene like this with. I mean if i would lead a criminal group and members of law enforcement would setup RP like this (SAPD+FBI+SWAT) it would be a honor for me. There are multiple other mafias which habits contains only DMing, of course we are not interested about them and will not do nothing like this with them but just leave admins to deal with it.

And having drugs removed is not really so big thing, just a little downhill in the roleplay.

Its not just once or twice when there have been snitch in FBI selling/delivering secret files and folders to criminals, downhills occur for us too...

Your friend, not an enemy
Shej

Again, you are speaking from the outside.
You don't understand it.
Taking our drugs away? That's all we have right now.
So it is taking all our hard work away.
The hours we've spent collecting it all, is useless.
Our honor is to be punished by getting stuff taken away from us?
Really?
This is a no-brainer. If you were involved in our family I know damn sure
you would be very upset because YOUR hard work is getting taken away.
Every person in my family has worked hard. And only thing FBI can do
is take it away. Tell me, where is the FUN in the RP?
Isnt RPing suppose to be for fun?
I see no fun.

[Shejken]

Of course there are consequences if you commit a crime.

Are you really saying it would be interesting for you if no one would care if you murder or deal drugs? Then why there are even cops scripted for the server? Everyone just could be criminal with 500kg heroin in pockets and million bullets of M4, walking around freely and chilling.

[Doggie]

If you were involved in our family I know damn sure
you would be very upset because YOUR hard work is getting taken away.

+10

[Kay_Rhasta]

Of course there are consequences if you commit a crime.

Are you really saying it would be interesting for you if no one would care if you murder or deal drugs? Then why there are even cops scripted for the server? Everyone just could be criminal with 500kg heroin in pockets and million bullets of M4, walking around freely and chilling.

Ok, and there are other families that have 10x the amount that we do.
And because we choose to RP with you guys, we get it taken away.
We have baby amounts compared to the groups that have been here 3x longer than us.
But are you going to take away everything from everyone?
Just because they choose to carry and do more crimes than we do?
No.
We cant just do a regular roleplay. You are limiting what we carry.
You are limiting what we do.
Goes entirely against Gandalf's vision.
Consequences would be jail time. I never disagreed with it.
But taking our posessions is ridiculous.
This is a RP. Not about consequences about our roleplay.
Just like you are an FBI RP group, we are also a criminal roleplay group.
But we should not get our hard work taken away for the roleplay we do.
Plain and simple.

[Shejken]

As i said we are not interested about these so called "mafias" who run around and pull combat from pocket shooting everyone and calling it RP.


It have happened at us. Lost worthy evidence for cases because snitches sold the info to criminals who then had time to prepare for it. I wasn't about to leave argonath when i noticed it, i was upset i admit, BUT I STARTED AGAIN, and collected new evidence.