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[Demetrius]

I Don't know what is going on Blaze Closed?

[SugarD]

I Don't know what is going on Blaze Closed?

No.

[Doggie]

Pft

[[Rstar]Paul]

Shedding my light here... I'll reply neutrally to avoid biased opinions / hypothesis as a leader and supervisor within ARPD.

On a honest note: I don't really think just f8'ing everything should be used as evidence in cases like this. If that's allowed than every suspect and criminal group will be sued; making it completely hard for criminals to even  be able to do anything.

Even though there is no rule or decree for this particular statement, I'm in agreement that this should be considered to emulate the even-handedness for the sake of roleplay so that the defending party in-game actually knows that undercover agent/officer is taking pictures. In role-play wise, he can be captured and punished by the criminals if he is caught gathering intelligence.

This will mostly likely cease any regular moaning in regards to the evidence part where they did not see the prosecuting / suing party take screens via role-play wise.

That's one scenario. Many can be thought out easily if people take two moments to think.

To report an ARPD or SAPD officer one is obliged to RP a recording, I do agree with you on that one, simply spaming F8 shouldn't be a valid reason to provide evidence.

Refer to the above post.

The FBI wishes to block RP from this group. Is that correct for a RP server?

Keep in mind that the FBI has priority in this, it's one of their priority objectives. Therefore - you should consider the maneuvers in the criminal acts you take in-game before putting the blame on FBI.
Fair enough...

Regardless, when something stops being about fun, and about witch hunting, then something is wrong, don't you agree?

We're merely RPing to have fun, the FBI's demands are merely to witch hunt a group and close it.

There is no such thing as witch hunting within this case. As far as I know, this case is in regards to the criminal convictions committed by this family.
RPing is well known open for everyone. However, family roleplay does not restrict the law enforcement groups from doing their jobs. Therefore, consider your criminal maneuvers again.

There is a command for consequences, It's called /jail ID 180

And once you get jailed you get a message that appears: "If your crime is serious enough, you may be taken to court."
I consider that message as a warning to all those people who get jailed, and I believe you've already acknowledged this, therefore consequences are taken higher.

Consequences would be jail time. I never disagreed with it.

Read above.

Just because they choose to carry and do more crimes than we do

Read above again.

Taking our drugs away? That's all we have right now.
So it is taking all our hard work away.

Drug faculties, deals and labs should be considered not once, but twice. Learn new maneuvers to refrain getting caught drug dealing.

You are one of the very few groups we, as FBI, decided to RP a scene like this with. I mean if i would lead a criminal group and members of law enforcement would setup RP like this (SAPD+FBI+SWAT) it would be a honor for me. There are multiple other mafias which habits contains only DMing, of course we are not interested about them and will not do nothing like this with them but just leave admins to deal with it.

Even thought there are many high priority groups out there that are more risky to the law enforcement.
I can only agree the part of giving role-play a chance with a group which we haven't had a chance to roleplay with deeply, yet, there are still problems occurring from it.

=Kaylin]You don't use RP to find out, I'm sure. You can't hack someone's skype or
anything outside of Argonath.

If criminals expect the official law enforcement ro role-play taking their intel/evidence via the camera, etc - then the same is expected from the criminals, otherwise it will be a spinning cycle.
Refer to first statement in quotation of Antonio.

[Danny_Leo]

Can't wait to see the outcome of this on court.

[Kay_Rhasta]

The only thing I have to say to you Paul is look at the fact that Gandalf changed
the policy on bank robberies/hostages/kidnaps.
When criminals ask for money, in RP theory, we should be receiving money.
But Gandalf said cops aren't to give money anymore.
And I'm sure its because it's taking away personal money from them.
Secondly, that might be because we can successfully evade and that's the end of the roleplay.
Which brings up another point.

Why should we get things taken away from us if cops cant get things taken away from them like money from kidnaps and such?

This is a punishment for us because it's no longer roleplay. Roleplay meaning enjoyable for everyone.
The only thing you are trying to do is make us unhappy by taking our things away for what?
Punishments IRL are meant to stop criminals from doing it again.
But we are a criminal roleplay group. What we are being punished now for isn't only about the time we serve in jail.
It's now taking 75% of everyone's possessions.
Sure, taking out stuff is more "roleplay" but that's where the limit is.

Just like a roleplay ends when criminals evade, why is this being stretched out to be all these criminal activities
in one investigation? Because that's the only thing FBI can do?

Look at what you are presenting yourselves as.
This is the first time something like this happened. Why? Because we enjoyed the roleplay, just like you guys.
Other people turn their backs and end roleplays within 2 minutes with you guys for a reason.
We choose to roleplay, FOR THE FUN, and do it correctly. Often getting many compliments about it.
But because you guys are so inconsiderate, you want to take what the core of the criminal family is about.

If we were to lose this case, not only will you be losing a good criminal roleplay group, but you will be losing
any chance of doing this again or even finding another criminal group to roleplay with.
Who will want to roleplay with you now? When any sort of roleplay is going to be turned into a punishment.

I hope you feel real good about yourselves, really.

[Jeremy.]

chill out for a bit  :cool:

[Devin]

Some have lost the plot of Argonath and the game as a whole, taking things far too literally.

[TonySforza]

People like to say, expect a punishment if you do criminal activities:

There has to be a limit in punishment, as this isn't a SRS RP server, It's a Light RP server.

Regardless, the feedback that the FBI merely gave away with this is that no one should RP with them, they'd be surprised with the ammount of people that have PMed me and Kaylin saying that the FBI took this too far, It's only a game, and their respect for the FBI is lost.
Post Merge: February 19, 2013, 04:37:36 pm

Some have lost the plot of Argonath and the game as a whole, taking things far too literally.

Wise words.

[PSVITA]

Some have lost the plot of Argonath and the game as a whole, taking things far too literally.

+1

[Rudy]

To be honest, its too much to just take away their hard work just like that, i would understand roleplay jail time at mordor, but this, taking everything away its just too much, hopefully this turns out differently, because i wanna see Blaze roleplaying on the server, what they are doing, is awesome.

[Mashgash]

FBI nor anyone else obstruct the Blaze family to return to the street if they ever get punished in the court case. The only humans that obstruct you to come back are yourselves. There is not hard to came back from an economical loss and if you have good friends on the street you will come back faster then you think.

Don't see the issues, see the solutions.

Good luck.

[TonySforza]

FBI nor anyone else obstruct the Blaze family to return to the street if they ever get punished in the court case. The only humans that obstruct you to come back are yourselves. There is not hard to came back from an economical loss and if you have good friends on the street you will come back faster then you think.

Don't see the issues, see the solutions.

Good luck.

They demand a 5 week probation period that prevents us from doing any criminal activity.
A criminal group that is during 5 weeks a non criminal RP group, makes people leave.

I don't intend to be a douchebag here but people should read more carefully the demands on the court case before coming here and reply about it.

[Kay_Rhasta]

FBI nor anyone else obstruct the Blaze family to return to the street if they ever get punished in the court case. The only humans that obstruct you to come back are yourselves. There is not hard to came back from an economical loss and if you have good friends on the street you will come back faster then you think.

Don't see the issues, see the solutions.

Good luck.

So why not give everything you have away and try to come back from that?
"If you have friends, you will come back faster than you think."

[Antonio.]

I don't understand how a criminal mafia thinks they wouldn't have nothing to do with FBI sooner or later. Obviously your tactics weren't good and this will help you in the future.