Another Mass Shooting - New Year's Eve, Old Town Sacramento, CA

[SugarD]

Who said don't allow even cops to carry guns?

And where does so many illegal guns come from? I'm pretty sure criminals don't buy them off ebay.

If you remove guns altogether, you have to take them away from cops too. If you make it so only cops have guns, what happens if a police state comes into play? Many countries have done this, and subsequently it has led to many mass-genocides. Don't get me wrong, I trust most American officers with their weapons...but we don't know what the future can hold either. Especially with the way the world is going down the toilet so rapidly.

As for illegal weapons, gangs, mafias, and illegal black markets do still exist, even today. Weapons can be brought in from both out-of-state, and overseas. You would be surprised how easy it is to bypass U.S. Customs and other agencies with high-priced bribes to certain individuals who care more about cash than their job.

The UK.

They have officers with assault rifles. For those that don't, we saw what happened during the riots.

[Mikal]

They have officers with assault rifles. For those that don't, we saw what happened during the riots.

What?... What about the London Riots? They were controlled within a few days, thats good IMO.
The London riots were an unexpected out burst of stoned teenagers who claimed to be rioting over the lack of jobs (haha they lie) and over some black guy who British armed response shot dead in the street (can't disagree with the officers), why bring the London riots into it when they have near to nothing to do with guns?

Only highly trained British cops have guns, when you see a British cop with a gun he will be carrying a machine gun, not just a hand gun, the only reason they also have guns is because of terrorism as in bombs, for example they shot an innocent man who jumped the barriers at a London tube station then ran towards a departing train, they shot him because he didn't stop when they called him, and also because he was carrying a briefcase which could have had anything inside.

The UK has very very strict gun laws, give me one RECENT example of a mass shooting in the UK, because honestly, you will not find one.
Do I need to list every American mass shooting in the US this year?

Heres what happens in the UK when theres mass shootings, and there hasnt been one in years and years, since black and white cameras.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10216955

Those who have guns in the UK, must have them locked up in a case, every so often police will go to the persons house an ensure the gun is still locked up, they will also count the ammunition and quiz the person if the amount has changed, this is what the US should be doing, this is what the UK was not doing before the last mass shooting in the UK which was in 1987. :poke:

[SugarD]

What?... What about the London Riots? They were controlled within a few days, thats good IMO.
The London riots were an unexpected out burst of stoned teenagers who claimed to be rioting over the lack of jobs (haha they lie) and over some black guy who British armed response shot dead in the street (can't disagree with the officers), why bring the London riots into it when they have near to nothing to do with guns?

Only highly trained British cops have guns, when you see a British cop with a gun he will be carrying a machine gun, not just a hand gun, the only reason they also have guns is because of terrorism as in bombs, for example they shot an innocent man who jumped the barriers at a London tube station then ran towards a departing train, they shot him because he didn't stop when they called him, and also because he was carrying a briefcase which could have had anything inside.

The UK has very very strict gun laws, give me one RECENT example of a mass shooting in the UK, because honestly, you will not find one.
Do I need to list every American mass shooting in the US this year?

Heres what happens in the UK when theres mass shootings, and there hasnt been one in years and years, since black and white cameras.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10216955

Those who have guns in the UK, must have them locked up in a case, every so often police will go to the persons house an ensure the gun is still locked up, they will also count the ammunition and quiz the person if the amount has changed, this is what the US should be doing, this is what the UK was not doing before the last mass shooting in the UK which was in 1987. :poke:

You're completely missing the point. You're saying get rid of all guns altogether, yet you clearly said officers need them to protect people. What happens when the United States tanks further and police forces can't be paid to patrol the streets anymore? Then who will protect the citizens if they can't arm themselves legally? The same thing could happen to the UK if it were to ever run into severe economic issues like that.

In fact, the local Sheriff's Department here in Sacramento County actually changed it's stance from will-not-issue CCW's, to will-issue if given a valid reason, all because they have been cut back so heavily that they can't even patrol the streets anymore. They struggle with just going from 911 call to 911 call, and CHP has been contracted in to handle any/all traffic-related incidents in the County.

[Mikal]

You're completely missing the point. You're saying get rid of all guns altogether, yet you clearly said officers need them to protect people. What happens when the United States tanks further and police forces can't be paid to patrol the streets anymore? Then who will protect the citizens if they can't arm themselves legally? The same thing could happen to the UK if it were to ever run into severe economic issues like that.

I'm not missing the point, I'm saying remove guns from citizens not cops, and you suggest the UK's citizens could be in danger if it can no longer pay the police? The UK has volunteers for everything from homeless charities to RNLI Coastguard and I'de assume there'd be volunteer police if the UK ever 'tanked' into debt and could no longer pay it's rozzers..

In fact, the local Sheriff's Department here in Sacramento County actually changed it's stance from will-not-issue CCW's, to will-issue if given a valid reason, all because they have been cut back so heavily that they can't even patrol the streets anymore. They struggle with just going from 911 call to 911 call, and CHP has been contracted in to handle any/all traffic-related incidents in the County.

Then maybe the USA should stop spending all them billions on it's uselessly large military.

[zhang]

I still think all guns should be replaced with nerf guns. Just sayin'.

[SugarD]

I'm not missing the point, I'm saying remove guns from citizens not cops, and you suggest the UK's citizens could be in danger if it can no longer pay the police? The UK has volunteers for everything from homeless charities to RNLI Coastguard and I'de assume there'd be volunteer police if the UK ever 'tanked' into debt and could no longer pay it's rozzers..

Trust me when I say it'll all go away if the country hits a severe economic depression. People volunteer when they can afford to work without earning anything. When they can't support themselves, they stop volunteering too.

Then maybe the USA should stop spending all them billions on it's uselessly large military.

You act as if the citizens have a say in that.

I still think all guns should be replaced with nerf guns. Just sayin'.

As nice as it'd be, I don't see it being possible in today's world. :P

[Mikal]

Trust me when I say it'll all go away if the country hits a severe economic depression. People volunteer when they can afford to work without earning anything. When they can't support themselves, they stop volunteering too.

There will always be volunteers no matter how bad a situation gets, the only to fix a country thats broken is through free labour.

You act as if the citizens have a say in that.

Well I'm not one to talk about the USA's political system as I don't know much about it (apart from the fact that it's more of a play ground than politics IMO), in the UK theres different partys, each supporting different things, the ones who supported the military arnt in power which is why the UK has a small military, if the US had a political system like the UK then you would actually be able to say in some aspects, what gets spent on what.

[SugarD]

There will always be volunteers no matter how bad a situation gets, the only to fix a country thats broken is through free labour.

If it gets bad enough, you won't have Volunteers anymore because everyone will be turning to crime to survive.

Well I'm not one to talk about the USA's political system as I don't know much about it (apart from the fact that it's more of a play ground than politics IMO), in the UK theres different partys, each supporting different things, the ones who supported the military arnt in power which is why the UK has a small military, if the US had a political system like the UK then you would actually be able to say in some aspects, what gets spent on what.

It does. The U.S. political system is based off of the U.K.'s, but with some tweaks to it to better match what the U.S. Constitution defines. The U.S. also has different parties. The problem is that politics in the U.S. have gotten to a ridiculous point where they get corrupted and represent their own personal views influenced by money and greed, and not those of the people themselves. That happened mostly as a result of the U.S. having such a large surplus just prior to the economic downfall.

Either way, not everyone supports war, and whether they do or not, it doesn't affect the gun situation in the country itself.