Gunman on campus at Huston college

[Teddy]

The man in front of me might be carrying a gun so i should carry one aswell.

Am i the only one that thinks that statement is very wrong?

Just imagine yourself sitting in class or at work and some messed up boy (that is having a bad day and access to guns) shoots you right between the eyes.
Or wait, even worse, shoots your wife or kids, taking their life for no reason.

Wouldn't you think for a second if that same boy woulda done something this awfull if he didn't had that gun?

You are not the only one who feels that way but as I stated before. Banning weapons in america isn't a reasonable or possible solution. It will create more chaos, more harder to track crime using illegal weapons. Criminals don't follow laws, who does these crimes? Criminals. Getting weapons is way to easy legal way and illegal way. The United States Government doesn't have the funds or resources to simply withdraw and dismantle all firearms in the country, not to mention the bloodshed that would arise from that movement alone.

I honestly don't feel like saying this but we have so much freedom that our own freedom becomes our own nightmare. Is it bad, yes. Is it worth it? To an extent. I'd hate to be a country where I couldn't do shit.  While I think there needs to be more government control, half of you don't even understand or able to comprehend the tragic outrage and violence that would string from banning firearms and all in all, it won't reduce anything. Crime happens. Bombs are easy to make, hell I can take 5 minutes on Google and make a bomb using shit only found in my kitchen that can kill easily 30 or more people. Yet how many advocates exist for banning cleaning supplies? None.

[SugarD]

The man in front of me might be carrying a gun so i should carry one aswell.

Am i the only one that thinks that statement is very wrong?

Just imagine yourself sitting in class or at work and some messed up boy (that is having a bad day and access to guns) shoots you right between the eyes.
Or wait, even worse, shoots your wife or kids, taking their life for no reason.

Wouldn't you think for a second if that same boy woulda done something this awfull if he didn't had that gun?

Everyone does it for a reason, whether logical or not. The difference is many of those who legally carry are trained, and many of those who illegally carry are often mentally unstable and/or don't have proper training.

[Cross]

You are not the only one who feels that way but as I stated before. Banning weapons in america isn't a reasonable or possible solution. It will create more chaos, more harder to track crime using illegal weapons. Criminals don't follow laws, who does these crimes? Criminals. Getting weapons is way to easy legal way and illegal way. The United States Government doesn't have the funds or resources to simply withdraw and dismantle all firearms in the country, not to mention the bloodshed that would arise from that movement alone.

I honestly don't feel like saying this but we have so much freedom that our own freedom becomes our own nightmare. Is it bad, yes. Is it worth it? To an extent. I'd hate to be a country where I couldn't do shit.  While I think there needs to be more government control, half of you don't even understand or able to comprehend the tragic outrage and violence that would string from banning firearms and all in all, it won't reduce anything. Crime happens. Bombs are easy to make, hell I can take 5 minutes on Google and make a bomb using shit only found in my kitchen that can kill easily 30 or more people. Yet how many advocates exist for banning cleaning supplies? None.

I respect your opinion, but i don't fully agree with you.
Don't you think that if people have less access to guns the gun violence will drop?
I mean lets face it, most of these school shootouts are not done by "professional" criminals or underworld figures.
Its time to ask ourself the question, would these "teens" also be able to get their hands on a gun that easy if the laws around guns are more strict?

I'm not talking about professional criminals here, because they will always find their way around it.

[SugarD]

I respect your opinion, but i don't fully agree with you.
Don't you think that if people have less access to guns the gun violence will drop?
I mean lets face it, most of these school shootouts are not done by "professional" criminals or underworld figures.
Its time to ask ourself the question, would these "teens" also be able to get their hands on a gun that easy if the laws around guns are more strict?

I'm not talking about professional criminals here, because they will always find their way around it.

You could have both easily. If you make it very difficult for people to obtain guns that shouldn't, but easier for those who should be allowed to, then you will have it so that the number of self-defending people greatly outnumber those with illegally-obtained weapons. The problem is how you go about that when the federal constitution conflicts with it, state laws differ from each other and federal ones, and how you actually tell the difference between someone who shouldn't have a weapon, and someone who should be allowed to have one. You also run into the problem with existing and illegally-distributed weapons.

[Teddy]

Don't you think that if people have less access to guns the gun violence will drop?

Additionally compared to other countries with gun ownership we have strikingly the largest amount of gun ownership than any other country, to support many facts we would assume that the United States has the highest gun violence due to this correct? Actually, again here the case if false. There are countries with close to equal gun ownership and far surpass our violence in guns, and even some that are above us that have far less guns per citizen. So the hypothesis more guns equals more gun violence is a mere false theory.

As I already stated here. There are countries with less access to guns than us yet have higher gun violence rates than we do. So No, fact nor I think having less access will really make an effect.

Its time to ask ourself the question, would these "teens" also be able to get their hands on a gun that easy if the laws around guns are more strict?

to an extent yes, if there was laws to dictate how a weapon must be locked and stored. I think Mikal mentioned a great point in another topic which is what I do. My guns are locked in safe with ammo in another locked safe since I only use them for hunting. If there is laws placed that will legislate how they must be stored and extra precautions for households with person(s) under 18 years of age to protect them and others is a good step in the right direction.

I mean lets face it, most of these school shootouts are not done by "professional" criminals or underworld figures.

Mafia Bosses to your local street thug. It doesn't matter who they are... they don't follow laws, if they want to commit crimes and acts of violence against other people... they will not give one shit about any law they'll just do it sadly.

[Cross]

to an extent yes, if there was laws to dictate how a weapon must be locked and stored. I think Mikal mentioned a great point in another topic which is what I do. My guns are locked in safe with ammo in another locked safe since I only use them for hunting. If there is laws placed that will legislate how they must be stored and extra precautions for households with person(s) under 18 years of age to protect them and others is a good step in the right direction.

Yeah thats what i mean.
Like i said, if they are going to handle this situation it has to be done with small steps.

[Teddy]

Yeah thats what i mean.
Like i said, if they are going to handle this situation it has to be done with small steps.

Small steps indeed. You can't fully cure an issue like this in a year, not in 5 years and not even in 10 years. You can take steps to help reduce exposure to weapons. I also think gun classes in common school would be a great idea as well. Teach teens about firearms, and how dangerous they can really be. I remember growing up with not a single idea about guns, I thought heroes used them (as in our troops) to fight the bad guys. Then I grow up and see that criminals and people who want to do harm are the really carries of arms. Anyways, education is another great step.

[Romeo]

People who defend the right to bare arms in America are completely deluded and I it'd serve them right if they were to become the victims of the 'rights' they are protecting.

[SugarD]

People who defend the right to bare arms in America are completely deluded and I it'd serve them right if they were to become the victims of the 'rights' they are protecting.

So you're saying that officers of the law who shoot criminals to protect innocent lives have deluded thoughts? How about people who shoot a serial-murderer trying to break into their home? What about our U.S. military, who use guns to protect themselves and carry out operations overseas and within the country?

[Jubin]

You are not the only one who feels that way but as I stated before. Banning weapons in america isn't a reasonable or possible solution. It will create more chaos, more harder to track crime using illegal weapons. Criminals don't follow laws, who does these crimes? Criminals.

Most of these shootings are actually done by citizens who actually need help. Like a normal teenager who just gets bullied day after day after day until he finally cracks, gets his fathers rifle and all shit breaks loose. Is he a criminal? No. Psychopath? Negative.

Bombs are easy to make, hell I can take 5 minutes on Google and make a bomb using shit only found in my kitchen that can kill easily 30 or more people. Yet how many advocates exist for banning cleaning supplies? None.

I challenge you to show me the link and your kitchen supplies that could make that kind of bomb!

[SugarD]

Most of these shootings are actually done by citizens who actually need help. Like a normal teenager who just gets bullied day after day after day until he finally cracks, gets his fathers rifle and all shit breaks loose. Is he a criminal? No. Psychopath? Negative.

The moment he illegally obtains that weapon, he is a criminal. The father is also a criminal because he failed to properly secure his weapon and it's ammo, as per state and federal laws. They may not be doing it intentionally, but even the law says negligence is still a crime.

I challenge you to show me the link and your kitchen supplies that could make that kind of bomb!

That link will not be posted on this forum unless you want a permanent ban. Links to such information is highly illegal, and should not be encouraged here.

[Batta]

EDIT:

The situation is being dealt with. No need for this.

 - Batta

[Romeo]

So you're saying that officers of the law who shoot criminals to protect innocent lives have deluded thoughts? How about people who shoot a serial-murderer trying to break into their home? What about our U.S. military, who use guns to protect themselves and carry out operations overseas and within the country?

No one deserves to carry weaponry. Not civilians, not police, no one.
I live in scotland. We don't carry guns, our police don't carry guns, gun-crime is extremely low here. It's not a coincidence.

Also, your military is a completely different thing. They are trained to use weaponry. I highly doubt your military are responsible for shooting kids in an elementary school.

If civilians have the right to bare arms, you can be assured that civilians are going to shoot each other. That's just how it is. Look at all of the countries who disallowed gun ownership and then have a look at the gun crime statistics compared to countries where guns are readily available. It's in the facts.

[[WS]Jacob]

America is not just as simple as a complete ban on guns for all civilians. They have their second amendment right and history which has to be taken into consideration. Yes it would be simple to remove all guns to solve the problem but that will just cause massive problems and could turn the situation even worse.

[SugarD]

Now quote the part where I have been trolling. Everything I said was sincere and was provoking (as I myself admitted) in a constructive (word of which you seem to lack the knowledge) way.

A 20% warning for such thing with the motivation of "Provoking purposely and admitting to it" is seriously childish.

You may want to check this profitable reading once more (hoping you've read it already), and remember what is your position.

And do remember to "avoid using forum punishments on administration members. If in doubt, speak to the DL / Manager of the admin concerned." Not that difficult to get.. even more if you yourself received this already, am I right?

Be aware that I will not tolerate anything like this once more.

I never said I warned you myself, so if you have a complaint, please direct it to a forum administrator and stop accusing people to pick fights. This is the last time I will warn you to get back on topic and stop provoking arguments with players.

No one deserves to carry weaponry. Not civilians, not police, no one.
I live in Scotland. We don't carry guns, our police don't carry guns, gun-crime is extremely low here. It's not a coincidence.

The country was also heavily hurt in a war a very long time ago because people couldn't defend themselves from an invasion. The country may be at peace now, but there is no guarantee it will always be that way. The same goes for the United States. We could theoretically remove all weapons, but it wouldn't help us if someone invaded, a la "Red Dawn". You're also forgetting the fact that people import guns illegally here more often than people purchase them legally. All that would do is give the criminals an advantage here, which would lead to even more death and chaos.

Unless you can safely get rid of every single possible weapon that can exist within a country's borders, removing guns will never solve the problem, and removing them all is impossible.