Non-English Board

[Alan.Wake]

If you can't understand or speak English, I'm sorry but I don't see how you can play in a server/community where everything is in English. Either you learn English or you find an other community in your language.

There are groups that consists of majority of one region such as Gvardia, which used to consist of mostly Eastern European players. Similarly, there are other groups that players try to climb on. They didn't need to learn English but rather they were helped by people whom could understand them. Same way, this community could do better if we banded together for helping these players, rather than relying on their knowledge of English or individuals to help them.

[Cyril]

Ok, let's make 260+ sub-boards for every languages.

[Petarda]

http://translate.google.rs/?hl=sr&tab=wT

[Alan.Wake]

Ok, let's make 260+ sub-boards for every languages.

Doesn't necessarily have to be, but if you are keen on it, go ahead.

[Salmonella]

Sure. [...] You are not being forced to read other foreign languages.

You're contradicting yourself. First you agree with Cyril that everything he has access to on these forums, he should be able to read in English, and then later you tell him he doesn't 'have to read it'. It's been said many times now, by different people, that everything on the forums that's public, should be in English, so that everyone will be able to read it.

Also, if a board was made for one single language, that would bring a lot of complications. For one, there would have to be a capable trustworthy moderator for each board, to moderate everything that people discuss there. If not, then these boards would just become places where people will provoke those who don't understand the language into translating stuff that might get said about them, for example. Moderation would be needed.

That's not a huge issue if we were talking about 4 boards max, but if there would be an Albanian board, Serbs will also demand one, then the Greek, then the Dutch, then the German, then the French, then the Macedonians, then the Swedish, until there are demands for at least 100 different boards for 100 different languages. I don't blame them for demanding these boards. They'd have just as much rights to have boards for their language as the ones that would already have boards for their language. However, they'll all need moderation. Let's just hypothetically say this will actually happen (it won't.), then we all know there won't be enough moderators that would get a seal of approval from the HQ.

If Argonath is indeed an international community, where is the harm in supporting foreign communities?

As far as I know, everyone who requires support here in Argonath, gets it, no matter where you're from. Even those who are and have been community banned are no exception. Support however, doesn't have to mean making these boards.

There are people here that don't understand or have less knowledge of English. I even see players getting kicked asking for help in their native language in game.

That's a good thing, not a bad thing. When I joined Argonath, I barely spoke English, and now some people even think English is my native language. It's primarily because of Argonath that I can now speak English the way I do. Do you really want to take that away from people and slow their learning process down? It's a skill that'll remain useful your entire life. When I see people ask for help in their native language in mainchat, I see regulars asking admins wheter or not they can speak to them in that language, to inform them that they should only speak English in mainchat, and perhaps even give them their help there, or in PM. I've never seen someone get punishment for that, unless they ignore the admin or people that inform him about the rule of speaking English, which is nothing but reasonable.

The basics of English aren't hard and anyone will make progress as they try. I guess I'm the living example of that.

[Pandalink]

If you can't understand or speak English, I'm sorry but I don't see how you can play in a server/community where everything is in English. Either you learn English or you find an other community in your language.

Yea, pretty much. If you can't speak some english then you can't really operate the server scripts anyway..

[SugarD]

Yea, pretty much. If you can't speak some english then you can't really operate the server scripts anyway..

Not necessarily. Some people can speak it, just not that well. They may prefer their own language where it's allowed because they can speak and understand it perfectly. That's the same reason why Argo has always allowed private and local chats in the servers to be in other languages besides English, if they so choose to use them.

[JDC]

As it is, Argonath is one big international community where anyone can literally fit into just about every group or sector.

All that this idea will serve to do is create numerous inner circles that would serve to alienate players on the basis of their ethnicity and linguistic ability.

Argonath would never have reached where it is today if players from many countries across the globe were not able to form bonds through the few things that everyone has in common. The splitting of the community into language-exclusive sectors would only erode that global factor.

Therefore, in the end it is only more detrimental to this community as a whole, rather than beneficial.

[voores]

As it is, Argonath is one big international community where anyone can literally fit into just about every group or sector.

All that this idea will serve to do is create numerous inner circles that would serve to alienate players on the basis of their ethnicity and linguistic ability.

Argonath would never have reached where it is today if players from many countries across the globe were not able to form bonds through the few things that everyone has in common. The splitting of the community into language-exclusive sectors would only erode that global factor.

Therefore, in the end it is only more detrimental to this community as a whole, rather than beneficial.

But some people can actually communicate with others in english, but it's very hard for them, due that, they use forum very rarely.
But if we try this idea, they will have an opportunity to talk with people from same country out of game and have fun on forum too.
Of course, many people who can speak english and who knows none player who can't speak it well will obviously vote no, as they don't see it usefull.

Ok, let's make 260+ sub-boards for every languages.

Or just make board in speakerbox like "Native chat boards" and let people create their native topic if there is none yet. Simple as that.

[Antonio.]

If you can't understand or speak English, I'm sorry but I don't see how you can play in a server/community where everything is in English. Either you learn English or you find an other community in your language.

I'm sure that as an admin you should know we don't judge players by their knowledge of the English language; especially considering how many players we have that don't speak English very good. I don't remember anyone not being allowed to play in the community because they didn't know how to speak English...

And like Voores said, some people that don't speak English very good can't even be fully part of community and know what's going on because some don't even know how to register on the forums! So yes, you can say that if they don't speak English they should not be playing, but like JDC said, let's not forget about those players who learned English very well during the time they spent on Argonath.

[SugarD]

I'm just throwing this idea out there, but what about a single board, called something along the lines of "International Language Discussion", or something similar which can host any language in it? Global moderation across the forum could stay the same, and the board would simply be meant for any language to be used in there, rather than specific sub-boards. Then if anyone feels the need to discuss things together in another language, they have the option. It could be seen similar to the way Argo only allows English in the main chat in the servers, but doesn't mind about other chats in the game. Same thing with TeamSpeak's stance on public versus private channels. We have enough moderators to easily handle a single place like that, and with Google Translate being decent enough to get the basic idea of what they are saying, it wouldn't be hard to find rulebreakers and deal with them, just as we always have before. Those who don't speak English well could also use it as a place to get help and learn the community better while they study our "main community language".

[Antonio.]

Not a bad idea.

[Jellyfish]

Google translator doesn't work for everything. We will still require someone who knows the local language being discussed to get a general idea of what's being said.

[SugarD]

Google translator doesn't work for everything. We will still require someone who knows the local language being discussed to get a general idea of what's being said.

Believe it or not, Google Translate can still give you a pretty good idea these days. I have to use it all the time when moderating the LU Forums, (Testers for the mod are also forum moderators), and I've never once had an issue with it. We've also used it here for years here in Argo when questioning things said by users in-game or on the forums that wasn't in English.

Yes, translations are often rough...but it's pretty clear as to what the poster's intentions are in their discussions.

[Jellyfish]

Believe it or not, Google Translate can still give you a pretty good idea these days. I have to use it all the time when moderating the LU Forums, (Testers for the mod are also forum moderators), and I've never once had an issue with it. We've also used it here for years here in Argo when questioning things said by users in-game or on the forums that wasn't in English.

Yes, translations are often rough...but it's pretty clear as to what the poster's intentions are in their discussions.

I suppose they are. Don't get me wrong; I'm all for this, I just think it will be fairly difficult to moderate these.