Is this right?

[TheLegitHabibi]

Now before you begin. I am not 'shitting' the management, nor I am telling admins how to do their job.
If you think my post is wrong in any way, please discuss it with me..

I would like to shed some light on some concerns that I have seen between admins.

1) The judgment isn't the same.
One admin says something is fine, the other says otherwise. This can be confusing and troublesome for many players who end up getting punished unintentionally.
Example, some admins like when you reply 'lol' to a funny kick or ban. Some would kick or warn you for commenting.

2) Many people including admins punch each other, run around and car kill friends.
However, sometimes players get in trouble for that. I did once, and I got warned for death matching for punching a friend because its attacking a player for no reason. Also, I was told that it misleads new players. Which I think is absolutely true. I don't think its right for admins to run around with red names punching each other either. That misleads players more, and just isn't right.

3) Killing events.
I used to host many Kill The Chicken events and one day I was told by pancher that it causes a huge mess. New players are mislead and the roleplay is destroyed as cops get involved etc. Completely agreed. But I still see admins hosting exactly the same killing events. This should be enforced too.

4) Admins mixing roleplay with admin duty.
Now this happens a lot. Admins do sometimes mix roleplay with admin work. If some players are breaking the law, or company, SAPD, or such rules, they shouldn't be punished for it. Admins should only enforce server rules.

5)Admins banning or kicking with funny comments.
Initially it was all right. Hackers got banned for "wrong kind of RPG" etc. However now, I often see that people are kicked or banned with funny comments that could be seen as provokative and are just not right. I remember seeing a guy getting banned and the admin sort of made fun of his bad English. It isn't nice behaviour specially as admins. If someone publicly says that on main chat he would be punished. So I suggest we end this funny comments in kicks and bans.

6) Cops admins and criminal admins.
Now this is kind of link to the first problem. Things aren't judged exactly the same.
As a judge, we are told that every case is to be judged the same. If we don't it causes problems. Now the cop admins have different views and the criminal admins have different views. And this causes problems.


I'm sure admins do not take this topic in a bad way. I'm trying to help by opening and discussing the concerns I have. By talking and figuring out solutions, we can all reach a better level of understanding.
Post Merge: April 08, 2013, 08:21:57 pmSorry for the mistakes. Its hard to type with the phone and it auto corrects some words. Its a bigger pain to modify and correct it. -_-

[AK47]

I agree with 100% here.

[Petarda]

Hope they won't delete this, totally true

Especially first, commenting on punishment is NOT "hah" if admin says something funny on reason of punsihment everyone gonna lol, but if he punish someone with serious reason he will warn/kick/ban for commenting. Actually commenting is "He does not deserve ban!"

[SugarD]

As long as this is seen as constructive criticism and not moaning, I have no issues with it myself. You bring up some good points that I think we all need to look at and question ourselves on, and I'd say this could probably apply to the Administration and Management throughout Argo as a whole, rather than just in SA:MP.

Although as admins we tend to have fun sometimes, we need to also realize that we are still just players like others, and should never use our abilities to take advantage of such permissions we were given. We also need to remember that as an admin, our duties should be separate from our roleplays and opinions. Punishments should never be biased, and the joking messages may seem fun for those in the server against a repeat attacker, but to the outside world and new players, it doesn't show great professionalism.

I think over time this has become a bit of a problem that everyone likely needs to tackle. Back in 2008-2009, admins used to joke around off-duty in police cars and call it an admin patrol. Although it was silly and fun, it didn't always put a good image off to others. As time has passed, the jokes have increased, and have gotten a bit out of control on some occasions, but thankfully most haven't minded. If this continues at this rate without us stepping back on it, it may get to a point where users are hurt or upset by it, and I'm sure none of us want that.

I'd say for the future, a mental note of our professionalism, as well as keeping our personal feelings out of judgement, is something to keep in the back of our heads as we continue our jobs, and remember that we aren't above anyone else, either. The more we remind ourselves of that, the more we will practice it and keep ourselves, and each other, out of trouble.

[TheLegitHabibi]

Guys please don't be rude or mean in whatever you say.
Were here to discuss and solve problems. Not fight and blame admins.
Just posting this because I don't want this topic to be locked because some guy posts something rude. -_-

[Petarda]

Ehm SugarD, I was banned for "being comedian" once
Post Merge: April 08, 2013, 08:30:10 pmtempbanned*

[SugarD]

...tempbanned for "being comedian" once

This is not a discussion about punishments, so please direct those to the appropriate email addresses. (I edited my quote of your message to resolve this too.)

However, I do agree that such a punishment reason is not a good one.


For others who wish to give examples, please do so in a friendly way that does not include any information about the admin or those punished, or the details regarding such. It's one thing if you put the punishment message as it coincides with the discussion as an example, but this also does not need to turn into something that ****s on the community or it's admins, so try to be careful when expressing yourselves.

[EndriSoprano]

I agree with 100% here.

Me 2

[Devin]

The ones that are agreeing with the above points have rather colourful punishment history in-game.  :gun:

[TheLegitHabibi]

The ones that are agreeing with the above points have rather colourful punishment history in-game.  :gun:

Hahaha
Well Sugar and I are good loyal people :3 we agree too!

[RizzE.]

I heard an admin saying awhile back that flaming is allowed if all people involved agrees to it, and lets say i rp with friends and we flame each other in a realistic way, i don't think that should be a problem. The reason why i asked this is because in the middle of the rp yesterday i got a banana and i just stood there like a fool for a minute. When i asked the admin that punished me he told me flaming is never allowed even in rps. I mean what is flaming please define it. Is it? using the the word f**k or as***le?

[Stivi]

I agree with what you said, james. I have also thought about posting such topic if these problems are not solved in RS5. Now, the rule says "you can NOT return after death" but when going on cop duty you take another RP character and can proceed to hunt down the guy who killed you. What if the cop dies, doesn't he takes the SAME RP character and return ? So, if I get killed, can I change my skin and RP again ? This rules should have limits, to three sides. (criminial , cop , civilian) I don't know if other players have noticed it, but cops don't usually get punished, right ? Only new players which choose to be cops, and that I find bad, they have to learn ? freeze them and explain, not using a simple copban to ruin the guys fun.. Yeah sometimes the guy's fun can ruin other's fun, TEACH him.

[AK47]

The ones that are agreeing with the above points have rather colourful punishment history in-game.  :gun:

Yeah cause soon as we/players do something we get punished, and when "you" do it, you don't.


Just saying, won't argue.

[Benn]

I heard an admin saying awhile back that flaming is allowed if all people involved agrees to it, and lets say i rp with friends and we flame each other in a realistic way, i don't think that should be a problem. The reason why i asked this is because in the middle of the rp yesterday i got a banana and i just stood there like a fool for a minute. When i asked the admin that punished me he told me flaming is never allowed even in rps. I mean what is flaming please define it. Is it? using the the word f**k or as***le?

flaming is kind of insulting others with words...

[Cyril]

Instead of just posting "I agree", elaborate.

Admins are not robots either clones. We all have our own personality and experiences. Even if the main rules remain the same, we have different views on what is acceptable or not (ie: where is the border between rulebreak or not).

- Saying "lol" to a punishment isn't commenting and shouldn't be punished, however this is up to admin's discretion.

- Many of you think they can rulebreak because they do it to a friend... This is false. Rules apply for everyone. Saying "fuck you", carkilling, beating your friends doesn't make it legit because it's "your friends" and he didn't report you.