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US and British Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria

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Reply #135 on: August 30, 2013, 06:01:16 pm
I am not saying what the UK parliament voted for is not good, in matter of fact it is a very good example of showing the way so that US can do the same. However the government only a few days ago warned of a military attack and now are backing out. Making promises they cannot fulfill does make UK look weak..

Mikal in all seriousness, only UK and US would be able to face a possible Russian threat. The rest of your NATO allies would still remain neutral to avoid a war with Russia, Iran and China.

David Cameron said he wanted to, not the government. It was him and him alone that wanted it, however he chose to recall Parliament and vote on it. 'no' only won by something like 17 votes.



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Reply #136 on: August 30, 2013, 06:33:22 pm
David Cameron said he wanted to, not the government. It was him and him alone that wanted it, however he chose to recall Parliament and vote on it. 'no' only won by something like 17 votes.

He said he will not go against the vote which is very interesting. I am looking forward to see if that changes after the U.N report and if he'll rather side with US or his people.

The UK can fulfill it's threat to Syria, infact it had a submarine with the missiles near by ready to launch, along with it's airbase in Cyprus on high alert, it's only because of the unexpected vote by MP's that the submarine and airbase won't be used, you say only the UK and US could face a possible Russian threat, but you forget that other NATO countries such as France and Germany also have fairly powerful military forces, for example France has an aircraft carrier, where as the UK currently does not (though 2 new aircraft carriers are currently being built for the UK and 1 is due to be completed this year), Germany also has alot of advanced military capabilities, but does seem to try to stay out of warfare however it is likely they would join the UK and US in any war with Russia and Iran, as would other NATO countries, wether they are as powerful as others or not, there would be no point in them being in NATO if they were not going to defend other NATO countries.

But I can't see Russia or Iran attacking either way, too risky for all sides.

Forgot to mention, China is likely not to even intervene in any war between the UK/USA/NATO vs Russia/Iran, after all the US is what keeps China going with all it's imports from China, to lose the US would damage the Chinese economy seriously, well, would damage any future growth anyway.

France hasn't shown a sign of life since the age of Napoleon, and they're well known for their military incapability so I wouldn't be so sure having them on your side would be beneficial, plus their economy is very concerning at the moment to invest on a war. The only way NATO would ally is probably if Russia itself invaded Europe, but that is not to happen under the current circumstances.



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Reply #137 on: August 30, 2013, 06:38:52 pm
He said he will not go against the vote which is very interesting. I am looking forward to see if that changes after the U.N report and if he'll rather side with US or his people.
It wouldn't be siding with the US instead of his people as there was still a large majority who actually voted on action against Syria, either way our PM still sucks, and always will until it's Nigel Farage. =)

France hasn't shown a sign of life since the age of Napoleon, and they're well known for their military incapability so I wouldn't be so sure having them on your side would be beneficial, plus their economy is very concerning at the moment to invest on a war. The only way NATO would ally is probably if Russia itself invaded Europe, but that is not to happen under the current circumstances.
Isn't everyones economy concerning? Either way it's the duty of other NATO countries to defend eachother, and so all would likely get involved, as for Frances military capabilities, I don't know much about them other than that they have an aircraft carrier and some good technology, haven't seen much action from them really, thats probably one of the reasons France wants some action with Syria right now, they want to try and prove themselves to the US, seems they have been doing alot of sucking up to the US lately to try and get a 'special relationship' that the UK and US supposingly has, which isn't much anyway.

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Reply #138 on: August 30, 2013, 06:56:38 pm
France hasn't shown a sign of life since the age of Napoleon, and they're well known for their military incapability so I wouldn't be so sure having them on your side would be beneficial, plus their economy is very concerning at the moment to invest on a war. The only way NATO would ally is probably if Russia itself invaded Europe, but that is not to happen under the current circumstances.

*cough* Afghanistan, Côte d'Ivoire, Libya, Mali, NUCLEAR WEAPONS *cough*



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Reply #139 on: August 30, 2013, 07:09:11 pm
*cough* Afghanistan, Côte d'Ivoire, Libya, Mali, NUCLEAR WEAPONS *cough*
Oh yeah I forgot about Mali, they did clear those terrorists off good.

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Reply #140 on: August 30, 2013, 07:38:20 pm
Oh yeah I forgot about Mali, they did clear those terrorists off good.
What do you mean by saying "Terrorist"? Muslim?



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Reply #142 on: August 30, 2013, 07:51:49 pm
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/16/world/mali-unrest
If you keep telling people that someone is "terrorist" they will start believing in that.



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Reply #143 on: August 30, 2013, 07:58:05 pm
David Cameron said he wanted to, not the government. It was him and him alone that wanted it, however he chose to recall Parliament and vote on it. 'no' only won by something like 17 votes.
If we do go to war with Syria it's David Cameron that's called for it not the British people. He still has the power under the Royal Prerogative to go against the Commons and initiate whatever attack he wants. I doubt he would do that as the public backlash would be huge.

Every person I know is against sending our troops into yet another war which has nothing to do with us. It will be like sending them into a tunnel when we don't know how long that tunnel is.



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Reply #144 on: August 30, 2013, 08:07:26 pm
He said he will not go against the vote which is very interesting. I am looking forward to see if that changes after the U.N report and if he'll rather side with US or his people.

Tony Blair said the same thing about Iraq. Look how that turned out.





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Reply #145 on: August 30, 2013, 08:29:14 pm
If Cameron gets the slightest hint that he won't get re-elected in the next elections, we're going to war. =P

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Reply #146 on: August 30, 2013, 08:52:51 pm
If Cameron gets the slightest hint that he won't get re-elected in the next elections, we're going to war. =P
Then war is definate.



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Reply #147 on: August 30, 2013, 08:53:51 pm

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Reply #148 on: August 30, 2013, 09:00:52 pm
If you keep telling people that someone is "terrorist" they will start believing in that.
So fu***ing true

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Reply #149 on: August 30, 2013, 10:38:59 pm
UKIP it is. =)
It seems that way at the moment. I thought Labour was the answer but Milliband has shown no real reason why anyone should vote Labour. He's a very weak leader and I don't know how he'd handle Prime Minister. Where as Farage, well I hope he is not just saying what everyone wants to hear.



 


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