Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Saul_Potts on September 28, 2013, 10:45:40 am
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I am playing Argonaths a couple of weeks and i can say that i love this server. But it has a big problem with it's cops... What i want to say is that they sense you, they abusse /area, they suspect you for no reason, they dont ivastigating before suspect, they dont talk polite, many times suspect you outside heroin spots with no reason and maybe you didnt even order heroin but they suspect you cause they want money. They think it's money farm to suspect everyone in the server. Can you do something about this problems? Can you make some rules for cops? I wanna see the server more fair. Thanks! :)
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Words of gold.
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Maybe cops should give a test with serious questions... Not just join policeman's duty to farm money but
1st keep the server safe and then gain money from their jobs!
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they abusse /area
There is no such thing as abusing /area, as there is no rule regarding it.
, they suspect you for no reason,
/gu, and request an investigation.
they dont ivastigating before suspect,
Same case as above, if you feel abused, surrender.
they dont talk polite,
This isn't kindergarten, if you break the law you face consequences
many times suspect you outside heroin spots with no reason and maybe you didnt even order heroin but they suspect you cause they want money.
Request an investigation.
They think it's money farm to suspect everyone in the server.
How do you know what other people think?
Can you make some rules for cops? I wanna see the server more fair. Thanks! :)
There are rules :)
1. All server rules must be followed.
2. You are law enforcer, this means you must act like one
3. Be polite, even if you wish to be strict
4. Never suspect people without a valid reason
5. If you are to give a fine, do not suspect
6. If people resist arrest, do not shoot them at once
7. Only use firearms when your life or that of civilians is in immediate danger
8. Never use firearms against a suspect that does not show a weapon - Unless they are actually escaping from you! (Commissioner Edit)
9. Use the PD cars as much as possible
10. Use the police radio as much as possible
11. Try not to work alone. Its more fun to work with others, especially experienced players
Also, http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=86639.0
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Patrick, you're not making any point by quoting each of his sentence and writing non-sense things.
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I'm trying to let him realize that things like
they abusse /area,
Make no sense.
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You do realize that he is a new guy? And that he will probably leave server like all other people did, that what he said is one of the reasons why Argonath has 150 players max.
Also everything you said is "gu and ask for investigation" that's not solving problems.
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Request an investigation. Really.. Most of those freecops don't even speak decent english, instead. If you try to ask for investigation, they'll just shoot you down like .. Has happened to me.
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Cheers.
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The officers of which you speak are new players as well. Instead of moaning about how bad they are doing their job, teach them.
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The officers of which you speak are new players as well. Instead of moaning about how bad they are doing their job, teach them.
Wise words.
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Request an investigation. Really.. Most of those freecops don't even speak decent english, instead. If you try to ask for investigation, they'll just shoot you down like .. Has happened to me.
I had like 500 screenshots from fail investigations by SAPD
One of them was like:
Cop- Explain me why did you kill [insert name here]
Me- He jumped infront of my car on highway, if I did it intentionaly I'd surrender
Cop- You're part of mafia, don't speak lies!
Me- I'm not lying
Cop- Reported for not complying as surrendered suspect
It wasn't exactly like that but I guess that you get my point
The officers of which you speak are new players as well. Instead of moaning about how bad they are doing their job, teach them.
That's the goddamn point
Can you make some rules for cops?
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There is a large difference between adding more rules and teaching them how to do their jobs. New players that choose the life of a law enforcer do not automatically become pro-cops, they still have to learn. In fact, they have to learn both server and police rules, which takes time. You state that people leave because of 'abusive officers', while these officers leave because people like you keep telling them that they are doing it all wrong. Instead, tell them how they can improve. The fact that they do not speak perfect English is a non-sense reason, look at me when I began on the server, I shot everything that had an orange name. But I listened to what others had to say and improved.
Petar, you're a veteran of the server, see yourself as a teacher, not an enemy.
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This isn't kindergarten, if you break the law you face consequences
3. Be polite, even if you wish to be strict
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3. Be polite, even if you wish to be strict
There's a difference between being polite and saying polite things.
When someone's pointing a gun at me I won't be asking 'Sir could you please put that gun down for me'. But I won't be insulting someone either.
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I had like 500 screenshots from fail investigations by SAPD
One of them was like:
Cop- Explain me why did you kill [insert name here]
Me- He jumped infront of my car on highway, if I did it intentionaly I'd surrender
Cop- You're part of mafia, don't speak lies!
Me- I'm not lying
Cop- Reported for not complying as surrendered suspect
It wasn't exactly like that but I guess that you get my point
That's the goddamn point
Then report them to the ARPD forums. Keeping 500 screenshots of flawed investigations in your folder and doing nothing but rambling on about it in a topic will make absolutely no difference to whether the officers are punished or if the system is changed in the future.
The idea that every new officer is a terrible player and does not follow the rules and would rather like to death match is nonsense, instead only a minority of officers are abusive and are generally dealt with when they're reported.
We were all new players at one point, and we all did not know the rules well or even how to role-play. I think the idea of adding more restrictions and regulations to new players is nonsense when there are already sufficient measures in place to tackle abuse.
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Since you joined this server you have made eighty-two reports against players; out of those eighty-two reports two of them were against police and one of those reports was for actions that were quite legitimate.
You have never reported a player for suspecting you without a reason. You have never reported a player for not investigating before suspecting you. You have never reported a player for his conduct or behaviour while on duty as a police officer. You have never reported a player for suspecting you at a heroin spot.
Incidentally both reports you made against police, both the valid one and the invalid one, were immediately dealt with by admins yet instead of using the report system we provide, and the admins we make available to you, you write a thread about how awful the police are (without providing any evidence at all) completely disregarding all the other groups of players that you have made the other eighty reports about.
I do not deny there are problems within the police force, but if you think the issues of misconduct and rule breaking are exclusive to the police you are mistaken; you should be well aware of this yourself given the large amount of reports you have made against players who are not police.
Unlike many other groups within Argonath, the police allow players to make complaints about their personnel very easily. In future please use what we make available; either the admins who have shown you over and over that they take your reports seriously, or the police themselves who go to a lot of effort to deal with player's complaints.
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(http://i.imgur.com/sdydcj8.png)
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(http://i.imgur.com/sdydcj8.png)
The following applies:
The officers of which you speak are new players as well. Instead of moaning about how bad they are doing their job, teach them.
This player is still fairly new, and I bet not once has any tried to patrol with him to help him. Not one person has tried to explain him the ARPD regulations. These results are not the result of anyone but the community as a whole, believe it or not that includes you.
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Then report them to the ARPD forums. Keeping 500 screenshots of flawed investigations in your folder and doing nothing but rambling on about it in a topic will make absolutely no difference to whether the officers are punished or if the system is changed in the future.
3 days of arguing for just one warn? No thanks.
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(http://i.imgur.com/sdydcj8.png)
Did you report that in-game?
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The following applies:
This player is still fairly new, and I bet not once has any tried to patrol with him to help him. Not one person has tried to explain him the ARPD regulations. These results are not the result of anyone but the community as a whole, believe it or not that includes you.
If you'd use common sense: You go on duty to be a police officer, as a new player you achieve that. And then, there's a certain role type for you to do as a police officer, everyone knows that, as I'm quite sure everyone has seen police work IRL. Then this new player goes around suspecting people (he knows what the command does) for "Because" for example. Clearly his intentions aren't to RP or to follow any kind of rules, he's here to kill people. That's wrong, of course, we may try to "teach" him, but we cannot be sure he'll follow our guidelines, perhaps he just wants to shoot. And that's the problem we're facing here.
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Patric you make no sense. If you want to succeed in cop duty you have to be polite when you cuff someone or when you investigating. Cops in server insult and suspect for no reason and instead of /gu why dont you make a test for them? Why should all server knee on cops and learn the newbees how to play the cop? Even expert cops make tragic fails...
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If you'd use common sense: You go on duty to be a police officer, as a new player you achieve that. And then, there's a certain role type for you to do as a police officer, everyone knows that, as I'm quite sure everyone has seen police work IRL. Then this new player goes around suspecting people (he knows what the command does) for "Because" for example. Clearly his intentions aren't to RP or to follow any kind of rules, he's here to kill people. That's wrong, of course, we may try to "teach" him, but we cannot be sure he'll follow our guidelines, perhaps he just wants to shoot. And that's the problem we're facing here.
While, you might have some distant point. However, where your wrong is using any reason to try and reject a community responsibility to help teach him. The fact that he acts like this does not excuse not even trying.
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Kojak you know that i reported so many times and nothing happens you dont see the truth i dont what to say anymore. But how can we teach new players at the moment they are law's hand they dont hear or accept anything cause they got a gun and points right to your head?
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Did you report that in-game?
No i didnt, but whole server saw that and they started laughing and here we come to the point i wanted from the start.
If you got suspected for non-sense reason, like the pic above, you should be immediately unsuspected by highrank cops and/or admins and not to go on investigation which is useless because the crime has no meaning at all.
Second thing, i can't understand why are you removing my posts.
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I'm not saying that, I'm fully supporting the idea that the community should help our new players. For god sakes, my group even opened a roleplaying school to move closer to the goal.
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Why don't you just make a simple tutorial? It's easy to be made
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@ Teddy, if you unsuspect someone with the crime of "because" or "big mafia boss" which was hilarious too, the suspecting officer will realize that he made a wrong crime and that he can't suspect players for non-sense reason.
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Kojak you know that i reported so many times and nothing happens you dont see the truth i dont what to say anymore. But how can we teach new players at the moment they are law's hand they dont hear or accept anything cause they got a gun and points right to your head?
Absolute rubbish, I have just been through all your reports and the vast majority of them were actioned. Even the ones that were clear nonsense were answered by admins and like I said you have only made one valid report against a police officer, which was immediately dealt with.
No i didnt, but whole server saw that and they started laughing and here we come to the point i wanted from the start.
If you got suspected for non-sense reason, like the pic above, you should be immediately unsuspected by highrank cops and/or admins and not to go on investigation which is useless because the crime has no meaning at all.
Second thing, i can't understand why are you removing my posts.
Great, so when someone does something wrong you quietly screenshot it and store it away so you can use it to your own advantage later instead of reporting it and getting the matter dealt with? And then, when you have kept it to yourself, you expect us to know about it and deal with it? Ridiculous.
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Second thing, i can't understand why are you removing my posts.
Because they are provoking SAPD.
@ Teddy, if you unsuspect someone with the crime of "because" or "big mafia boss" which was hilarious too, the suspecting officer will realize that he made a wrong crime and that he can't suspect players for non-sense reason.
Still doesn't ignore the fact nobody tried to help.
Why don't you just make a simple tutorial? It's easy to be made
Its something that can be considered.
If you got suspected for non-sense reason, like the pic above, you should be immediately unsuspected by highrank cops and/or admins and not to go on investigation which is useless because the crime has no meaning at all.
How many senior officers were online during this time? Had I seen it I would have cancelled it immediately, and I know a handful of people who would have also hopped on that just as fast, if not faster than myself. Most cases are handled this way.
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Why don't you just make a simple tutorial? It's easy to be made
That's actually what i am corrently working on ... Under the name of A.C.A for sure.
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The thing is that there new officers and veteran officers. Noone is born with experience. There were plenty of conversations all over /p chat ingame. The topic will end up with people fighting I'm pretty sure of it. I myself enjoy freecops however they sometimes are pissing me off as I'm being busy with something else. I suggest everyone to calm down and high ranked officers patrol with ARPD officers more often.
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Ok i give up Kojak by the way all my reports were cleared so all admins can understand them but i didnt see any judgement upon the guys i reported only on me. And lets say i am a noob and i dont know to report why all the others guys on server do the same and you dont judge? Are we all noobs? When they dm me no reason i wanna se a clear warning no stay there and explain myself you can see chat logs i think and judge.
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Great, so when someone does something wrong you quietly screenshot it and store it away so you can use it to your own advantage later instead of reporting it and getting the matter dealt with? And then, when you have kept it to yourself, you expect us to know about it and deal with it? Ridiculous.
No, it's ridiculous to me to report something on which whole server is laughing and talking about for 5minutes.
I don't use anything for my advantage, i store the screenshots so where evidence are needed i can provide them since answer on report for "su abusing" is dealt with 'gu and ask for investigation' instead with unsuspection.
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@ Teddy, if you unsuspect someone with the crime of "because" or "big mafia boss" which was hilarious too, the suspecting officer will realize that he made a wrong crime and that he can't suspect players for non-sense reason.
there are regulations and we can not unsuspect for that beacuse you might have shot the cop or evaded after getting suspected which makes your crime valid, so your only option is to surrender the SAME moment you got suspected and ask for an investigation/admin to help you.
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Why don't you just make a simple tutorial? It's easy to be made
/cophelp
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What does "BECAUSE" crime mean ? It has NO MEANING at all and you should be immediately unsuspected for that. Im talking about certain situations here with non-sense crimes.
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What does "BECAUSE" crime mean ? It has NO MEANING at all and you should be immediately unsuspected for that. Im talking about certain situations here with non-sense crimes.
doesn't matter, read what i said.
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Ok i give up Kojak by the way all my reports were cleared so all admins can understand them but i didnt see any judgement upon the guys i reported only on me. And lets say i am a noob and i dont know to report why all the others guys on server do the same and you dont judge? Are we all noobs? When they dm me no reason i wanna se a clear warning no stay there and explain myself you can see chat logs i think and judge.
I often see punishments being made, and i don't think that the administration team picks up a random player and warns/ajails/kicks/tempban/ban him for a random reason. Reports had to be made because admins can't be everywhere checking if every player is following the rules! The administration team sometimes may warn and try to teach the player by PM so you can't see it! And more not every report needs to be handled with a punishment some times just showing people they're wrong its a better way of preventing more rule breaking.
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Ok i give up Kojak by the way all my reports were cleared so all admins can understand them but i didnt see any judgement upon the guys i reported only on me. And lets say i am a noob and i dont know to report why all the others guys on server do the same and you dont judge? Are we all noobs? When they dm me no reason i wanna se a clear warning no stay there and explain myself you can see chat logs i think and judge.
So now you're saying that because you're a new player you don't know to report rule breaking? If that is the case how do you explain the average of four reports per day you have been making since you joined? You have reported players for ramming, carjacking, deathmatching, powergaming, non-RP, racism, multi-accounting, forced RP, towing your car, flaming, pausing in combat, scamming, bad English and several reports of "look at him". What you haven't done is report players for all the things you have accused the police of today.
No, it's ridiculous to me to report something on which whole server is laughing and talking about for 5minutes.
So to be clear you're refusing to report rule breaking to those people who can actually help prevent it, that's fine just checking.
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There's nothing to report when everyone (highranked cops and admins) saw the funny crime. If someone of them wanted to help, they would unsuspect me and explain the officer that he can't suspect me for "because".
I'm interested in how would you react if you were on the server and saw everything.
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If them are new,they should pass a f**king test and stop with the next sentences:
"If them are new,teach them."
"If you got abused,surrender"
"Go to report them on ARPD section"
for f**k sake , why we should post those guys into ARPD report section and IT CAN'T BE HANDLE IN-GAME BY AN ADMIN. ---- And ofc now someone will come and say them are too busy to handle shits like that.
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I don't understand why this is becoming players vs admins, it's not that we are saying that the admins are doing their job badly.. it's the cops.. a tutorial would be great, fo example they get a nitestick and they can only help, than they apply for ARPD when they get a passport and get their weapons ant the right to /su
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Just to mention, i reported highranked officers on ARPD forums and i scored mute and forum ban - so i think that reporting on ARPD forums is pretty useless, what it should not be.
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There's nothing to report when everyone (highranked cops and admins) saw the funny crime. If someone of them wanted to help, they would unsuspect me and explain the officer that he can't suspect me for "because".
I'm interested in how would you react if you were on the server and saw everything.
Utter nonsense. There is no way an admin or high ranked police officer would have seen that and not taken any action. Both admins and high ranked police act proactively all the time, I see that proactivity every day and your assumptions that it was willfully ignored are completely baseless. You as a member of this community have a responsibility to report rulebreaking, but in your own words you prefer to just have a good laugh about it and then blame us for not being omniscient.
To your question about how I would have dealt with that had I witnessed it, I would have cancelled your wanted status and raised the matter with the officer, just as any admin or high ranked officer would have done.
Just to mention, i reported highranked officers on ARPD forums and i scored mute and forum ban - so i think that reporting on ARPD forums is pretty useless, what it should not be.
Now you're suggesting you were muted and forum banned for no other reason than because you reported a police officer? Of course it couldn't be for anything you did because as we all know you are a model player and a pillar of this community.
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I don't understand why this is becoming players vs admins
With this said, I'm gonna go ahead and lock this topic. The initial point has been answered by Kojak.