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Title: Global Warming
Post by: Shifter on November 13, 2007, 11:27:02 am
I have recently seen Al Gores movie called "an inconvenient truth" I watched the movie and some of Gore's facts grabbed me and made me think towards the future and what is apparently to some people going to happen to the earth within the next 50 or so years. But after watching the movie i started asking some of my other teachers and noticing that nearly all of them had different speculations of Global waming. My science teacher said that global warming was not man caused and infact if you look at the temperature facts from the last few thousand years that this has happened quite a few times. Other of my teachers (like my Humanities teacher who showed me this film) Said that it was true and we should all be working together to try and change this for future generations. I also was looking around on the internet to see what other people thought on the subject when i cam acorss this > http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/ . My question to you is, What is your opinion on global warming?

Note: I do not want anyone flamming or insulting others this is not a debate as such it is a simple opinion talk. You may voice ANY opinions on the subject and i wish for noone to bring them down.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Omri on November 13, 2007, 11:38:24 am
I really dont think about it but thats a really big problem :)


[ALS]Omri
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watti on November 13, 2007, 11:53:30 am
...

Load of Shit..

Looked at the temps about 53 years Ago...

Same as Todays...

looked at the Sea levels...

Same as Todays...

Give it 5 years all will be fine... maybe 10
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shifter on November 13, 2007, 11:58:57 am
...

Load of Shit..

Looked at the temps about 53 years Ago...

Same as Todays...

looked at the Sea levels...

Same as Todays...

Give it 5 years all will be fine... maybe 10

Well, Not exactly the same. The temp is rising, Just not as dramaticly as people say it is. Plus this happened many times in the past and if you look at the average temperatures in the last 8 years, It does not rise at all.. But yes good point Watti.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Jnn on November 13, 2007, 01:48:09 pm
I just hope it doesn't get too bad while I am alive.

Though, kinda sad to think that if I'll ever have kids, they, their children or their childrens children and so on have to live on a fucked up planet. :neutral:
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 13, 2007, 04:52:19 pm
Just a quick note: The Global Warming problem is not as far you imagine... Last month, Belo Horizonte (My city in Brazil) registered temperatures of 38°C, which is far from being normal, the normal here everyday ranges from 15-30°C.

Easy to say it's "load of shit" for those who didn't suffer from it yet...
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shifter on November 13, 2007, 09:16:25 pm
Just a quick note: The Global Warming problem is not as far you imagine... Last month, Belo Horizonte (My city in Brazil) registered temperatures of 38°C, which is far from being normal, the normal here everyday ranges from 15-30°C.

Easy to say it's "load of shit" for those who didn't suffer from it yet...

Look back at the average temps from about 50-100 years ago, and you proably will notice that its not much different to the average now.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 13, 2007, 09:22:03 pm
Look back at the average temps from about 50-100 years ago, and you proably will notice that its not much different to the average now.

yes, because the polution increased slowly. But now, it's freaking crazy.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Neave on November 13, 2007, 09:26:10 pm
IF you guys dont think global warming is a huge problem.. lol :) Nice

Well i live in South Florida, The state has SUNK 500+ feet over 2 months!! and continues to sink.

Hurricane Records have been made within two years (all time records) for example, Hurricane Wilma, SUSTAINED winds of 185 MPH (300 KPH) Etc etc... Its on my mind daily
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Grovyle on November 13, 2007, 10:29:53 pm
Global Warming - Causes of Water Rising.

Antartic and Artic "places" are getting warm because of the ozon thing that is protecting from the dangerous and very warm solar "lines" (i dont know how is in english so i say a lil randomly to u try to understand), but because if the polution, the ozon "shield" has heavily brocken in Artic and Artartic "places".
Then guess what: Gets too warm. Then its very bad: The ice melts, and, since theres MAAAANY ice, imagine water rising in 10~50 years...

Same to the temperature. The ozon "shield" is broken then gets too warm. Then your skin can even become black and have skin cancer.

I also saw the move "An Incovenient Truth" when i was in 4th grade but we coulndt see it all cos the DVD was broken <.<
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Gandalf on November 13, 2007, 10:43:52 pm
The issue is not if there is evidence for Global warming, or even about what causes it.
The real problem is that we are taking rapid measures because we feel is it caused by us. And most of these measures are a trick by the government to get us to pay more taxes. If there is a congress on global warming, the planes used to transport the guests cause more pollution than all of us can in one year.

But most important of all, if there really is global warming, nature will respond to it. If we do not give nature time, but mess up the atmosphere by our ideas that we are better as Nature, we can do more damage trying to bring down the warming as the warming could do by itself.

If you want to help out the planet, do not listen to stories but check out the results of environmental projects in the past. A lot of them did more damage than good.
We should be careful not to destroy nature, and even more careful in thinking we have the power to really influence it.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 13, 2007, 10:46:28 pm
Grov I'm not trying to correct you, just for you to know for the future, it's called ozon layer :)

And the main reason for the holes on the ozon layer is the ChlorofluoroCarbon, which is now forbbiden to be used in certain countries. Polar Bears are drowning because they can't find solid ice to stay... Soon, Dave will die  :razz:

But back on topic, also there is the Greenhouse effect, which is ATM a big problem. And it's a problem that, regardless from where you leave, you share it with everyone.

Well those effects will take sometime to reach some countries, meanwhile, South America and Africa are bound to suffer with temperature rise. And I tell you, it's closer than you imagine.

:ps: Couldn't have said it better, Ronnel.

Posted on: November 13, 2007, 06:44:59 PM
Really, congresses and blabbering won't do it, what we need is action.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Neave on November 13, 2007, 11:49:21 pm
Actualy the hole in the Ozone layer has shrunk by 9,000,000 Sq Miles (14484096 sq km ) And is below normal size

The World needs to prepare for a 100 year battle with temperature. The amazon forest's among other many large ones are 10% their normal size, The United States of America used to be 90% Forest (Geographyicly) Now? 5%. In 200 years. The Great plains were not always Dry and hot as they are now.

Its all about money money money. The world has the recources to run EVERY CAR on the road now on battery power.  75% power generated by power plants goes un used
(USA Study)

Battery powerd cars are in existance. Running at almost 100 Miles Per Galleon. Enough to travel circumnavigate the earth on only 230 fully charged batterys.

Its not a question of "Do we have the resources" Its a question of "When will be be smart enough to see the world has never been hotter, or changing in over 5 million years"
Posted on: November 13, 2007, 06:35:33 PM
Want more evidence people in this world are selfish?

You may not think about it, But light bulbs are among the highest power consuming product in the world.

Compare these popular types of lightbulbs-

Incondesent (Yellowish rounded)

- Short life

- Same Price

- Die instantly

- Extremely unecomnomical

Compact-Florescent light bulb

- Brighter

- Live 80% Longer

- 500% More efficent

- Same price

- Many Designs

- Proven to keep your mind more relaxed

- Die slowly, No suprises

Why arent we buying these light bulbs? Because we choose not too. My house has replaced about 40 lightbulbs with the new Compact-Floresent ones.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 14, 2007, 12:13:58 am
Dickness I mean Sickness, you are so goddamn right  ;)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Trojan_Fabrizio on November 14, 2007, 12:43:53 am
Want to save the Earth? Kill someone. :devroll:
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shifter on November 14, 2007, 05:50:53 am
Things like this the world (Planet) as seen come and go throughout its life. (very long time) This only seem massive to some of the world because noone has ever seen anything like this before, but the real question is; has the planet ever seen anything like this before? My guess is yes. The Ice Ages where caused by what is going on in some places. Is this problem really man made? I dont think so, I think its a cycle that the planet goes through. Also when the ice caps melt it is not the Ice glacior that is going to cause global flooding. The only thing that we really dont want to melt is the Ice shelf itself (land ice) Test it with a cup of water and once ice cube that floats in the water, Once it melts water does not rise. If you place 4-6 ice cubes in the cup so it stacks up and looks like land ice. Once they melt the water rises. I personally think its just a cycle the planet is going through. But hey Iv being wrong once before (In maths) :)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 14, 2007, 04:22:47 pm
It indeed is part of the Earth's natural cycle and yes, the temperature has changed on the planet many times. But our actions are speeding up this process. And you should know that global warming is not just flooding, but the catastrophes of the climate which will strike/strike the Earth.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Mister_Me on November 14, 2007, 04:27:54 pm
one word:
fuck El Gore..

Man, do u really think that his movie can change the world?
its hardly possible in movies man.

And IF there come cars with better exhausts etc.
Most people cant pay it, and have to stay driving in their "old" car untill that one is completely worn down you know?
most people cant just change cars..

man, he has enough money to do such things, but 99% of the other people in the world can't,

El Gore? Dream on
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shifter on November 14, 2007, 09:33:23 pm
Lol Mr.Me Plus, If the world is changing faster than it should be, That means it might already be too late to stop the process. You cannot stop nature from doing what it does, and if you manage to do so it could end in a dramatic consequence.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Neave on November 14, 2007, 10:04:43 pm
It indeed is part of the Earth's natural cycle and yes,

Yeah uhh.. well the climate has not been thos bad in millions of years, its partly natrual. 50% Natural/50% Man
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 14, 2007, 11:31:55 pm
Yeah uhh.. well the climate has not been thos bad in millions of years, its partly natrual. 50% Natural/50% Man

that's why there is the "part" word on my sentence.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Grovyle on November 14, 2007, 11:33:34 pm
About Watahell saying "not trying to correct you": You can correct me as many times ya want lol cos i like to learn things about these things of Global Warming and hows in English some things like ozon layer :p

Want to save the Earth? Kill someone. :devroll:

OMG Trojan :lol:
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 14, 2007, 11:35:16 pm
About Watahell saying "not trying to correct you": You can correct me as many times ya want lol cos i like to learn things about these things of Global Warming and hows in English some things like ozon layer :p


It's just that some people hate when others do that ;)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Pistol Man on November 14, 2007, 11:41:09 pm
let it happen lol, just don't happen while im alive
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 14, 2007, 11:42:06 pm
let it happen lol, just don't happen while im alive

IMO that's being selfish.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: [GSF]Darren on November 14, 2007, 11:47:36 pm
i think that it is a BIG problem.
however, the problem i have with politicians is that, generally, they just dont care about it. there are exceptions i.e. al gore etc but overall it is just another thing that they can comment on and try and get support and get elected.
what are G8 REALLY doing about global warming anyway?

(i have to say, the 9th richest country must be pissed hehe)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Ylisalajane on November 15, 2007, 12:04:03 am
This is a really discusting thing ... World is sooo fu**ed up, it's just so sad. All the animals being killed per day, all the forest being burned/cutted per day. I really love animals, now people are getting it all back, yes, we have shi**ed our planet.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shifter on November 15, 2007, 07:10:11 am
Indeed some have taken the planet for granted. But if our forefathers have not of done so, where would we be today? What would of become of the planet we know today?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Ylisalajane on November 15, 2007, 07:47:37 am
It's kinda sad to think that if the end comes then there will be no information that there excisted humankind. Everything what we've done or proved will be gone one day.  :hit:
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: [GSF]Darren on November 15, 2007, 08:30:30 pm
i suppose.
still, the info will have benefited us in modern life
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Grovyle on November 15, 2007, 11:19:44 pm
What can i say...

The world all filled with water is the REAL Apocalypse/Doomsday

Instead of  squeleton-knights or a "big bang" :p

What can i say more?

Its not their fault too...
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: PMP on November 16, 2007, 01:16:45 am
Global warming, whoooo, guess it's time to bring down USsies again cause it's their fault, they aren't fowling the Kyoto treaty.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 16, 2007, 03:04:38 am
Global warming, whoooo, guess it's time to bring down USsies again cause it's their fault, they aren't fowling the Kyoto treaty.

ALL industrialized countries take responsability on this, not only the U.S, even though it's the main source, is not the only one, so that's BS.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Fatboy_Rob on November 16, 2007, 03:08:02 am
Global warming, whoooo, guess it's time to bring down USsies again cause it's their fault, they aren't fowling the Kyoto treaty.
im sorry, but your a dumbass...

US didnt cause it.
We all did.

We all put our hands in the cookie jar, not just 1 person.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HeatSforza on November 16, 2007, 03:14:07 am
you got me thinking shifter.....ye u got a point! if humanty survived before and they were stupid as a rock ....i think we will also survive dont u think ? :trust:
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 16, 2007, 03:24:22 am
you got me thinking shifter.....ye u got a point! if humanty survived before and they were stupid as a rock ....i think we will also survive dont u think ? :trust:

Brains don't make you immortal.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HeatSforza on November 16, 2007, 03:51:21 am
i know mate , but dont compare out days to the milion year old..
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 16, 2007, 03:58:30 am
i know mate , but dont compare out days to the milion year old..

Lol we are still the same animal, we just got improved our intelligence and our resistance of our body reduced.

Believe me, many people where I live have the strong belief that "z0mg that can't happen... nah... those scientist dudes will find a way to avoid it!" but in the reality they just don't do shit to help the world, just keep fucking it up. It's time to stand up and do something.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: TomazK on November 16, 2007, 08:06:22 am
First I red, that it said: Global warning...not Global WARMING...

By the way...It is true, that there is a global warming...
normally the temperatures in this kinda time are below 0 degrees Celsius...
But it's more than 10....
What will happen in 10 or more years...?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Gandalf on November 16, 2007, 10:56:57 am
Battery powerd cars are in existance. Running at almost 100 Miles Per Galleon. Enough to travel circumnavigate the earth on only 230 fully charged batterys.

Its not a question of "Do we have the resources" Its a question of "When will be be smart enough to see the world has never been hotter, or changing in over 5 million years"
Posted on: November 13, 2007, 06:35:33 PM
Want more evidence people in this world are selfish?

But then again the power to charge the batteries has to be produced. Also producing batteries is not a clean process.And environmental studies have shown that the current hybrid battery cars are not much more friendly for the environment as the petrol using ones are.
Nuclear power is know for its dangerous waste. But in terms of efficiency and environmental print it might be more friendly than the conventional methods of producing energy.

One vulcano eruption causes more greenhouse effect as an industrial country in a year.
In 1975 it was calculated our oil reserves would finish around this time. Right now the window is still 30 years, while we use more than ever before. Where did all this oil come from ?

Another interesting thing. Government in Holland is raising taxes on fuel as 'good for environment' and 'promoting public transport'. The traffic jams cause more consumption of fuel, with better flow of traffic the environment would be better off. But... public transport costs the government money, to make it profiting it would be more expensive as travelling by car. And if 10% of the people travelling by car would go by public transport, the system would collapse.
In reality the raise of taxes is a way to rise income, not for any other purpose.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: [GSF]Darren on November 16, 2007, 08:34:39 pm
First I red, that it said: Global warning...not Global WARMING...

By the way...It is true, that there is a global warming...
normally the temperatures in this kinda time are below 0 degrees Celsius...
But it's more than 10....
What will happen in 10 or more years...?

well, im not sure, but in 20 you could get a tan :lol:
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: PMP on November 16, 2007, 08:48:16 pm

One vulcano eruption causes more greenhouse effect as an industrial country in a year.
In 1975 it was calculated our oil reserves would finish around this time. Right now the window is still 30 years, while we use more than ever before. Where did all this oil come from ?

Thats cause the technology evolved and it is now possible to drill in places that weren't profitable before.

im sorry, but your a dumbass...

US didnt cause it.
We all did.

We all put our hands in the cookie jar, not just 1 person.
US broke the Kyoto treaty, european countries make investments to follow the treaty and those investment hurt the budget, US prefers to spend money in war, half US budget go to military and adjacent industries and corporations, I'm not making this up, I got that from CNN.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: [GSF]Darren on November 18, 2007, 02:41:01 am
ok guys lets not start a full out argument between countries - thats what the UN's for!

this is argonath so lets be friends :)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Neave on November 18, 2007, 11:19:59 pm
i started asking some of my other teachers and noticing that nearly all of them had different speculations of Global waming. My science teacher said that global warming was not man caused and infact if you look at the temperature facts from the last few thousand years that this has happened quite a few times.



Temps have alwasys changed.. maybe, MAYBE 1 degree over 100 years, BUT NOT 1 degree in FIVE (5) Years
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Jubin on November 18, 2007, 11:42:39 pm
Please everyone who still want to discuss about global warming read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming As this reduces my frustration of reading this topic and also educates you.
Also if you are discussing about Kyoto Protocol, then read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol and US part of it.
Thanks : )
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Trojan_Fabrizio on November 18, 2007, 11:49:03 pm
I love motorcycles and you won't catch me on some electrical powered bag of W***. The whole point of a car/bike is the sound and feel of the damn thing and when you take it to a race track and open the throttle you get a buzz that is better than sex... Putting a battery in a car/bike is like putting a dildo up the Queen's rear end... It's just not a good idea.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: moneris0 on November 18, 2007, 11:50:49 pm
lol this is human created... by Dr. Evil and he wants to destroy the world so he plants a thousand hot beans around the arctic to melt it and he pulls he earth a little towards the sun...

I know why, there are less supporters for god and more and more ppl are turning to Dr. Evil's creation, Satan, the master devil....

so the Devil is doing all this as God gets weaker and weaker..

thats my perspective :)
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Trojan_Fabrizio on November 20, 2007, 12:32:18 am
The only person that would be stupid enough to ride this is a dumb eco warrior...

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s319/T_r_o_j_a_n_TM/R1Electircal.jpg)
^Yamaha R1 Lithium Ion Electric Bike.^

0-60 in under 5 secs, 90mph top speed, 75mile range.

Sure... The spec sounds impressive but it looks like a grandma after a 25 mile marathon... Not healthy and just imagine what it is like to ride... Possibly just as nice to ride as a bull on Viagra.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Gandalf on November 20, 2007, 11:22:24 am
Jubin, the time that Wikipedia was a reliable source of information has passed. The power of having multiple people contributing has created a need for moderation. As it became moderated, the opinions of the moderators now reflect the content, and no longer can it be regarded as unbiased source.
If you look for information on the internet, be sure to look for both sides of the coin. And if a topic really interests you, go beyond the discussions and read the source books and studies. In discussions on the internet you will find quotes that are out of place or even non-existent to lead a life as truth.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Jubin on November 20, 2007, 04:07:58 pm
Gandalf, what is truth about global warming is actually what I think about the global warming and does it fit to my inner world. Also it is better to know something even one-side opinion about the global warming( though I would like to know what is the other side) before discussing about it. And as much as I dip into  that topic in wikipedia it is quite objective.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Gandalf on November 20, 2007, 05:21:24 pm
The article on wikipedia seems objective, however is closed due to dispute.
When you dig further on the sources, for instance the average temperature, you will see that data from before 1950 and after 2000 is classified as less trustworthy, thus allowing as only reasonable conclusion that the global average temperature has risen by 0.4 degrees in 50 years time.
If you want to find correllation between the temperatire and human activity, you will have to compare this with graphs on industrialization, expelling of greenhouse gases and natural activity like vulcanoes and earthquakes over the same period of time.
If you look at the 'world map' you might find it interesting to see that while people talks about Global warming, actually most of it seems to be taking place in the Northern Hemisphere, also not in places where most industry is present, but over places that are near the Arctic. One exception is the Rainforest of South America.
Strange enough the most of global warming seems to be present at places where there is less human activity, while if this was caused by us, you might expect the opposite.

I would be interested to see a correllation between the warming in the Northern Hemisphere and a tilt of the Earth's North Pole towards the sun.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Jubin on November 20, 2007, 07:50:47 pm
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/Global_Warming_Map.jpg
This is from 1995-2004 and it is not only on rain forests of South America and Northern Hemisphere but more bleed all over the world. Gandalf you may have watched the predictions map.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Gandalf on November 20, 2007, 09:21:34 pm
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/Global_Warming_Map.jpg
This is from 1995-2004 and it is not only on rain forests of South America and Northern Hemisphere but more bleed all over the world. Gandalf you may have watched the predictions map.
Check the map again. It is 1995-2004 projected against 1940-1980. The dark orange is the highest deviance of temperature. It has been rising mostly in Siberia and the Arctic.
A funny anomaly is the Antarctic where a rise and a fall of temperature seem to be neighbouring.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Wayne on November 20, 2007, 09:32:42 pm
here, on brazil i see something different..
only sun on Recife..
strange.. no rains..
the temperature is the highest ..
no rains..
i need to sleep with the dark global warming in my foot?
we would change this, not a couple of people.. we need more
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 20, 2007, 09:35:15 pm
here, on brazil i see something different..
only sun on Recife..
strange.. no rains..
the temperature is the highest ..
no rains..
i need to sleep with the dark global warming in my foot?
we would change this, not a couple of people.. we need more

Yes, and Recife is not as hot as the "sertões nordestinos". Could you imagine how is it like atm?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Jubin on November 21, 2007, 12:40:26 pm
Check the map again. It is 1995-2004 projected against 1940-1980. The dark orange is the highest deviance of temperature. It has been rising mostly in Siberia and the Arctic.
A funny anomaly is the Antarctic where a rise and a fall of temperature seem to be neighbouring.

Gandalf check where has the temperature dropped a bit or raised only a little bit. In the areas where there is no industries( Pacific Ocean, South pole,excluding that anomalies, South America).
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Gandalf on November 21, 2007, 01:32:42 pm
Gandalf check where has the temperature dropped a bit or raised only a little bit. In the areas where there is no industries( Pacific Ocean, South pole,excluding that anomalies, South America).
Once again look at the map. Do you think that most industries are in Alaska, Canada, Siberia ?
What about the industry in India and China that has developed a lot in this time ?
Why the West Coast of the US rise, while they have a lot of environmental laws, and the East Cost rises less, although they have less laws ?
Why did Argentina cool down, is Japan rising just a bit ?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Luca_Scalise on November 21, 2007, 01:40:40 pm
I've got the solution

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Jubin on November 21, 2007, 01:42:50 pm
Once again look at the map. Do you think that most industries are in Alaska, Canada, Siberia ?
What about the industry in India and China that has developed a lot in this time ?
Why the West Coast of the US rise, while they have a lot of environmental laws, and the East Cost rises less, although they have less laws ?
Why did Argentina cool down, is Japan rising just a bit ?

Gandalf you are looking only the areas where the temperature is raising a lot. And also do you know that there is no industry in Siberia or Alaska? You've been there? Neither am I so it is actually pointless. We just belive that there is no industry.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Challenger on November 21, 2007, 02:35:26 pm
I've got a solution aswell:
Quote from: a website
A gram of antimatter would carry as much potential energy as 1,000 Space Shuttle external tanks carry
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Gandalf on November 21, 2007, 03:37:02 pm
Gandalf you are looking only the areas where the temperature is raising a lot. And also do you know that there is no industry in Siberia or Alaska? You've been there? Neither am I so it is actually pointless. We just belive that there is no industry.
About Siberia I am pretty sure  ;)
The thing is that if the global warming is man-cause, there must be found a correlation between human activity and the rise of temperature. From the maps it can not be concluded with any kind of certainty, rather it seems that places which are not known for a lot of activity show the greatest rise.
A slight deviation in the position of our planet in relation to the sun, like a tilt towards the sun of the northern part, could cause equal effects, and a 'wobble' in the axis has been documented.

I am skeptical about our presence having this influence, and extremely aware that fast decisions might actually have such influence, although in a way opposite to the intended scenario.

Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Jubin on November 21, 2007, 04:13:41 pm
I am skeptical about it also.
Quote from: wikipedia
Water vapor is a naturally occurring greenhouse gas and accounts for the largest percentage of the greenhouse effect, between 36% and 66% [13]. Water vapor concentrations fluctuate regionally, but human activity does not directly affect water vapor concentrations except at local scales (for example, near irrigated fields).
So therefore water is the most important component of all. And we can't do nothing about it. I am pretty sure that the Earth is a teenager who is just going trough just another phase.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: stiffler2100 on November 21, 2007, 04:56:29 pm
so what if its got a little hotter lol. thats good now i can sleep outside during winter too!
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Challenger on November 21, 2007, 08:50:26 pm
I am pretty sure that the Earth is a teenager who is just going trough just another phase.
The Earth its around 5 million years old.Thats not very much.One day we will all gonna die,perhaps not by nature itself but because of the Sun.Sun its like a nuclear reactor and its using combustible to produce energy,heat and light.When it will run out of combustible it will colapse.One day the planet Earth will gonna end just like Mars,perhaps worse cause its closer.I think this will happen in the next 1 million years ?
Posted on: November 21, 2007, 08:49:07 PM
So lets build space ships propeled by antimatter and lets go far away and find a planet where to live again.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: gr4nt on November 21, 2007, 09:29:15 pm
Just a quick note: The Global Warming problem is not as far you imagine... Last month, Belo Horizonte (My city in Brazil) registered temperatures of 38°C, which is far from being normal, the normal here everyday ranges from 15-30°C.

Easy to say it's "load of shit" for those who didn't suffer from it yet...


To add to this, in 2006 , the UK recorded its warmest summer in 43 years, recording a temperature of 30°C in Scotland, 36°C in England and 32°C in Northern Ireland, Breaking all previous records. However in 1995 Britain also recorded its coldest winter, setting a new record of -31.2°C in Braemar, Scotland. The time between these 2 events is small compared to the time the records were started, this just might be a coincidence. Its not just the UK , Thule, in northern Greenland, this Summer recorded a temperature of 22°C, being one of the coldest places on the Planet, its hardly cold.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 21, 2007, 09:30:16 pm
Errr Charger it's around 4,5 billion years, about the antimatter stuff it's a very controversial subject, mankind yet has a long trail until they really get to control and understand it.

so what if its got a little hotter lol. thats good now i can sleep outside during winter too!

Maybe you don't understand the seriousness of the problem.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: PMP on November 21, 2007, 10:09:11 pm

Maybe you don't understand the seriousness of the problem.
And what is it? The earth gets warmer, water level raises, so what?live with it.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: [GSF]Darren on November 21, 2007, 10:13:39 pm
gandalf, you should like run for environment minister or something, cuz you seem to know your shit  :lol:
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 21, 2007, 10:17:04 pm
And what is it? The earth gets warmer, water level raises, so what?live with it.

IF you are able to survive, yes. Probably for YOU it will no matter, u can afford to buy a fan or an air-conditioner, but others wont, so for them "live with it" is not an opition. Also, the future generations will suffer a lot, don't you think about them?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Jubin on November 22, 2007, 01:52:00 pm
And what is it? The earth gets warmer, water level raises, so what?live with it.
Quote from: http://whyfiles.org/091beach/5.html
Ice-sheet insanity. Melting glaciers are but a trickle of water on the planetary scale. They're small change compared to the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, which holds 3 million cubic kilometers of fresh water. Were it to melt, sea level would rise 20 feet, and coastal cities, not to mention beaches, would be in tough shape.
where would I live? well actually I have no problem with it but where would a lot of people live?
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: VMNT on November 22, 2007, 03:05:33 pm
gandalf, you should like run for environment minister or something, cuz you seem to know your shit  :lol:


Well, what would you expect from a 1006 year old wizard type guy?  :lol:
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Gandalf on November 22, 2007, 04:44:33 pm
where would I live? well actually I have no problem with it but where would a lot of people live?

Our place would be under the water... but actually it already is below sea level.  :lol:

And about the water vapor... the energy business sees hydrogen as the best replacement for oil. hydrogen produces... water vapor. :conf:

Problem is that any minister would be bound by the rule that a state must have enough income. To gather this income it needs taxes, or natural resources. If you check you will see that countries with the highest amount of natural resources have the lowest taxes. The country where I live has little to none, although we have some big companies that exploite natural resources of other countries.
To keep the income, we need taxes. The higest income is from 'value added tax' paid by business over their turnover. Another big part is taxes on oil and tobacco products.
Now we can reduce oil consumption and use of tobacco products, but that will hurt the national income, meaning the state can provide less for the citizens. Also we can make more strict environmental laws and have big companies move away, again hurting the national income.

We can blame our politicians, but the truth is that any group of politicians will face the same issues and will have only limited choices in solving them.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: [GSF]Darren on November 22, 2007, 05:07:35 pm
what about argonaths dutch players?
if the ice caps melt and water levels rise then they have to say byebye holland
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Neave on November 22, 2007, 09:15:46 pm
I just thought id throw this out there..


The United States is the largest out putter of greenhouse gasses, Only because we are the largest country in the world (Canada and RUssia are bigger, but more then half of their land is unlivable)

So in case you did not know, In relation to its size, and output. The USA is NOT in the lead.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Challenger on November 22, 2007, 09:38:56 pm
Errr Charger it's around 4,5 billion years, about the antimatter stuff it's a very controversial subject, mankind yet has a long trail until they really get to control and understand it.

yep my mistake billion years...not thats very much
Posted on: November 22, 2007, 09:35:52 PM
i see the hydrogen the best replacement for oil...
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: [GSF]Darren on November 22, 2007, 09:45:19 pm
I just thought id throw this out there..


The United States is the largest out putter of greenhouse gasses, Only because we are the largest country in the world (Canada and RUssia are bigger, but more then half of their land is unlivable)

So in case you did not know, In relation to its size, and output. The USA is NOT in the lead.

Brazil is bigger than the USA...
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 22, 2007, 09:46:29 pm
Brazil is bigger than the USA...

WRONG.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Neave on November 22, 2007, 11:23:33 pm
haha no its not..
Posted on: November 22, 2007, 05:20:01 PM
   USA - 9,826,630 km
   Brazil - 8,514,877 km
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: [GSF]Darren on November 23, 2007, 04:11:10 pm
my geography teacher said brazil is bigger so... :conf:
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Watahell on November 23, 2007, 05:29:28 pm
my geography teacher said brazil is bigger so... :conf:

Tell him to lay off the vodka. There is a huge difference.
Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: [GSF]Darren on November 23, 2007, 10:45:57 pm
we actually think he is a stoner
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