Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Community => News and Announcements => Topic started by: Gandalf on December 20, 2013, 11:49:45 am
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One of the things we have had in planning for long time is now rolling out, and it will hopefully be a change that brings a better way for both HQ and players to interact and support each other.
You may have noticed the change of ARUN to a separate board, which will be accompanied by a review of official groups per server.
This is needed for several things, however the most important one is to bring more input from players to the HQ.
In short time, the Script Ideas boards will be closed and referred to the ARUN forum. There people can still post ideas, however the way they get handled will be a bit different.
The Council of ARUN will be representatives fo all stable groups, plus representatives of players that are not affiliated with any group. This to ensure that everyone is represented in the Council.
The Council members will read the posted ideas, and players can approach a Council member to give background information.
When a Council member believes the idea has merit, he will bring it in to the closed area to discuss it an make it in to a proposal. Once the Council has made a proposal, it goes to the HQ for approval. If approved it will be added to the roadmap.
These ideas are not just for scripts, also procedure or rule suggesntions can be made. There will be boards per server, and a general board where people can suggest things like new games.
What are the benefits?
1. More democratic system. Instead of scripters and/or HQ picking an idea and making it, we will be sure there is sufficient support from all players as otherwise the Council will not propose the idea.
2. Less workload for scripters. Instead of constantly replying to the same (rejected) idea, they can concentrate on positive working on the roadmap.
3. Better structure. We will be able to provide a better overview on what we are working on and when it is expected to be ready.
What are the negatives?
1. Less direct contact.. however be sure we will still check and weigh in on the public ideas. Still an idea we are sceptical about can be made to a good proposal by the Council.
2. Longer processing time... however if an idea is really needed we can still override it and do it at once.
This is our way of showing we do care about input of players, and wish to bring more democratic way of developing the server.
While HQ will always have the last word (our experience shows taking up layers ideas is not always appreciated) the players get a more important part in making suggestions that we will take serious.
A suggestion supported by the Council has more power as 100 topics of the same idea that was rejected.
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I like it. :)
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Daayuum!!! Cops, be ready for riot. The Argonath revolution is here. Let all Argonath players stand up for their rights and say what they want/requesting.
Democratic leads to violence and hate.
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Sounds great!
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Awesome
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Cool ......
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Noted!
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Great!
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Sounds Good. I Like it :app:
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Fantastic! :gand:
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I am not represented in ARUN.
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Finally it's in use.
Lets hope it will work great!
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I am happy and enthusiastic about this. Let's make it work!
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Sounds interesting, let's see how it works :).
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I am not represented in ARUN.
Are you sure?
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A question that only Gandalf can answer;
Does this affect all servers? VCMP has 2 stable groups (lol) and requlars are in the low 20s at best.
The question is, does VCMPs Ideas board get removed and put to somewhere else or can we keep the system we're used to? Since we're so small part of the community and we've always let players voice their opinion about what will be implemented and what not instead of only HQ deciding it.
And also AFAIK ARUN has zero members from VCMP part of the community (WS is the only official Argonath clan that makes appearance in VCMP).
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A question that only Gandalf can answer;
Does this affect all servers? VCMP has 2 stable groups (lol) and requlars are in the low 20s at best.
The question is, does VCMPs Ideas board get removed and put to somewhere else or can we keep the system we're used to? Since we're so small part of the community and we've always let players voice their opinion about what will be implemented and what not instead of only HQ deciding it.
And also AFAIK ARUN has zero members from VCMP part of the community (WS is the only official Argonath clan that makes appearance in VCMP).
More details will be released in due time. There is much more planned than what was announced here.
As for it affecting all servers, I believe that is still the plan.
Try to be patient guys.
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More details will be released in due time. There is much more planned than what was announced here.
As for it affecting all servers, I believe that is still the plan.
Try to be patient guys.
I was just thinking that maybe it's better for such small part of the community to have the Ideas board still intact instead of forming a council of 3-4 members which would most likely be half from WS and other half from EAF (since we got very little clanless players rolling around, that are/can be counted as requlars of course).
Most if not every idea implemented already in VCMP's scripts have been approved by both the players and the development team and parts of scripts removed due to the requests of the players and development team.
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I was just thinking that maybe it's better for such small part of the community to have the Ideas board still intact instead of forming a council of 3-4 members which would most likely be half from WS and other half from EAF (since we got very little clanless players rolling around, that are/can be counted as requlars of course).
Most if not every idea implemented already in VCMP's scripts have been approved by both the players and the development team and parts of scripts removed due to the requests of the players and development team.
Developers should still be able to step in and make these decisions the same as before. I think the general idea with it here is just to prevent the repetitive topics of ideas that have already been denied.
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Developers should still be able to step in and make these decisions the same as before. I think the general idea with it here is just to prevent the repetitive topics of ideas that have already been denied.
Nononono, you missed the point completely.
I just think it'll complicate things for a small part of community when they don't need to.
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Nononono, you missed the point completely.
I just think it'll complicate things for a small part of community when they don't need to.
Well then maybe VC:MP needs to grow more! <3
But in all seriousness, some things are still in the planning stages, so there may be a way to resolve this issue. Only time will tell right now.
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they found oil in argonath?
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they found oil in argonath?
Your political jokes are a little off. If they had found oil here, we would be invaded...not doing the invading.
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they found oil in argonath?
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Nononono, you missed the point completely.
I just think it'll complicate things for a small part of community when they don't need to.
Essentially all this does is allow the players to have a more direct method of interacting with ideas.
Before, developers decided which to implement and which not. Here, players decide and then forward it for feasibility.
Also, the A.R.U.N is a hub for all players, not just groups. Individual players will be selected so that everyone gets a fair vote. If VC:MP lacks as many active groups, there would naturally be a greater ratio of individuals to satisfy the gap.
This doesn't really complicate it. If anything, it simplifies it. Now, you only need to propose and vote :)
The A.R.U.N serves and will serve many other purposes aswell. It is intended to be made into a bridge between HQ and the player community. (Believe it or not, not even all HQ members get immediate veto on ARUN. Only two HQ members represent the HQ. There are some parts where other HQ members get a veto, for example developers of that server can veto ideas).
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Also, the A.R.U.N is a hub for all players, not just groups. Individual players will be selected so that everyone gets a fair vote. If VC:MP lacks as many active groups, there would naturally be a greater ratio of individuals to satisfy the gap.
False. EAF covers over half of the requlars alone in VCMP and WS pretty much the rest. Others only pop in every so often I would not count them as requlars.
If you've seen the way VCMP has picked it's script ideas/implementations, you'd realise we already do what Gandalf is bringing in as new. We've done it ever since 2008, hell it could be the case even before I joined VCMP and we always could do it since we're a small part of this huge community. All the requlars of VCMP know each others. The democracy type of decision making is the only way to improve a server with such small playerbase, if management team only chose the ideas that were to be implemented then we'd probably have even less players online than right now.
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I agree with Kessu that the reform will hardly affect a small community like VCMP because most of the acceptable ideas are posted by the same set of players that are probably going to constitute as the council or are part of the HQ.
Though, I believe that if a reform is being made in the community, it should be implemented across all sub-communities alike, regardless of the size of sub-community.
The proposed forum structure is certainly better than what we have. Players will get a clear idea that which ideas have been forwarded to the developers for implementation, which makes HQ's decisions more transparent.
So, good idea. :app:
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Thank you so much Gandalf, this sounds so good :-)!
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Save the wool!
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whats about the mayors system? are there going to be elections for each cities mayors?
that will be democratic
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whats about the mayors system? are there going to be elections for each cities mayors?
that will be democratic
This isn't a roleplayed voting system. It is meant more for handling issues than RP'ing another group. Your idea is aimed more at a political roleplay system, which is a completely different topic. I would suggest checking each servers' City Hall/Courts and Ideas boards, as what you are suggesting has been in discussion in these locations for quite some time.
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As if player's ideas get implemented anyways... Alright go ahead and cancel the ideas board, I find it useless anyways.
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As if player's ideas get implemented anyways... Alright go ahead and cancel the ideas board, I find it useless anyways.
You may find it useless however others don't. What's the purpose of your post besides trying to spread rumours?
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Are you sure?
I do not know of any representation of me myself or I.
So we respectfully state we do not feel represented.
Can you tell me how I am represented.
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and I'm guessing there's a ARUN board of some sort so why can't I see it anywhere
Please PM me a response to both as I am no longer following this thread.
Kind Regards.
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1. Don't double-post. Use the edit button.
2. That is by your own choice.
3. As said previously, this is still being designed. Have patience.
4. If you do not wish to follow the thread, don't expect a reply.
There is no need to try and make this idea out to be some completely negative attack on your own person. People had months to voice their opinions on ideas for ARUN, and no one spoke up. Don't get angry now because you don't agree with it when you did nothing to come up with an alternative.
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You don't give people what they want; they bitch.
You give people what they want; they bitch.
Unbelievable.
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1. Don't double-post. Use the edit button.
Why?...
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Great idea!
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Why?...
You know why. Don't troll on the forums.
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You know why. Don't troll on the forums.
Why you say that? I really don't know why and I don't want to troll...
Gandalf always double-posts and doesn't seems to be a problem for him...
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You know why. Don't troll on the forums.
Maybe he doesn't know why.
Don't troll on the forums.