A different way of input and democratic decision making

[Kessu]

A question that only Gandalf can answer;

Does this affect all servers? VCMP has 2 stable groups (lol) and requlars are in the low 20s at best.

The question is, does VCMPs Ideas board get removed and put to somewhere else or can we keep the system we're used to? Since we're so small part of the community and we've always let players voice their opinion about what will be implemented and what not instead of only HQ deciding it.

And also AFAIK ARUN has zero members from VCMP part of the community (WS is the only official Argonath clan that makes appearance in VCMP).

[SugarD]

A question that only Gandalf can answer;

Does this affect all servers? VCMP has 2 stable groups (lol) and requlars are in the low 20s at best.

The question is, does VCMPs Ideas board get removed and put to somewhere else or can we keep the system we're used to? Since we're so small part of the community and we've always let players voice their opinion about what will be implemented and what not instead of only HQ deciding it.

And also AFAIK ARUN has zero members from VCMP part of the community (WS is the only official Argonath clan that makes appearance in VCMP).

More details will be released in due time. There is much more planned than what was announced here.

As for it affecting all servers, I believe that is still the plan.

Try to be patient guys.

[Kessu]

More details will be released in due time. There is much more planned than what was announced here.

As for it affecting all servers, I believe that is still the plan.

Try to be patient guys.

I was just thinking that maybe it's better for such small part of the community to have the Ideas board still intact instead of forming a council of 3-4 members which would most likely be half from WS and other half from EAF (since we got very little clanless players rolling around, that are/can be counted as requlars of course).

Most if not every idea implemented already in VCMP's scripts have been approved by both the players and the development team and parts of scripts removed due to the requests of the players and development team.

[SugarD]

I was just thinking that maybe it's better for such small part of the community to have the Ideas board still intact instead of forming a council of 3-4 members which would most likely be half from WS and other half from EAF (since we got very little clanless players rolling around, that are/can be counted as requlars of course).

Most if not every idea implemented already in VCMP's scripts have been approved by both the players and the development team and parts of scripts removed due to the requests of the players and development team.

Developers should still be able to step in and make these decisions the same as before. I think the general idea with it here is just to prevent the repetitive topics of ideas that have already been denied.

[Kessu]

Developers should still be able to step in and make these decisions the same as before. I think the general idea with it here is just to prevent the repetitive topics of ideas that have already been denied.

Nononono, you missed the point completely.

I just think it'll complicate things for a small part of community when they don't need to.

[SugarD]

Nononono, you missed the point completely.

I just think it'll complicate things for a small part of community when they don't need to.

Well then maybe VC:MP needs to grow more! <3

But in all seriousness, some things are still in the planning stages, so there may be a way to resolve this issue. Only time will tell right now.

[Petarda]

they found oil in argonath?

[SugarD]

they found oil in argonath?

Your political jokes are a little off. If they had found oil here, we would be invaded...not doing the invading.

[Teddy]

they found oil in argonath?

[Exterminator]

Nononono, you missed the point completely.

I just think it'll complicate things for a small part of community when they don't need to.

Essentially all this does is allow the players to have a more direct method of interacting with ideas.
Before, developers decided which to implement and which not. Here, players decide and then forward it for feasibility.

Also, the A.R.U.N is a hub for all players, not just groups. Individual players will be selected so that everyone gets a fair vote. If VC:MP lacks as many active groups, there would naturally be a greater ratio of individuals to satisfy the gap.

This doesn't really complicate it. If anything, it simplifies it. Now, you only need to propose and vote

The A.R.U.N serves and will serve many other purposes aswell. It is intended to be made into a bridge between HQ and the player community. (Believe it or not, not even all HQ members get immediate veto on ARUN. Only two HQ members represent the HQ. There are some parts where other HQ members get a veto, for example developers of that server can veto ideas).

[Kessu]

Also, the A.R.U.N is a hub for all players, not just groups. Individual players will be selected so that everyone gets a fair vote. If VC:MP lacks as many active groups, there would naturally be a greater ratio of individuals to satisfy the gap.

False. EAF covers over half of the requlars alone in VCMP and WS pretty much the rest. Others only pop in every so often I would not count them as requlars.

If you've seen the way VCMP has picked it's script ideas/implementations, you'd realise we already do what Gandalf is bringing in as new. We've done it ever since 2008, hell it could be the case even before I joined VCMP and we always could do it since we're a small part of this huge community. All the requlars of VCMP know each others. The democracy type of decision making is the only way to improve a server with such small playerbase, if management team only chose the ideas that were to be implemented then we'd probably have even less players online than right now.

[Call_me_Dad]

I agree with Kessu that the reform will hardly affect a small community like VCMP because most of the acceptable ideas are posted by the same set of players that are probably going to constitute as the council or are part of the HQ.

Though, I believe that if a reform is being made in the community, it should be implemented across all sub-communities alike, regardless of the size of sub-community.

The proposed forum structure is certainly better than what we have. Players will get a clear idea that which ideas have been forwarded to the developers for implementation, which makes HQ's decisions more transparent.

So, good idea. 

[murdoxix]

Thank you so much Gandalf, this sounds so good :-)!

[Xavier12]

Save the wool!

[Benn]

whats about the mayors system? are there going to be elections for each cities mayors?

that will be democratic