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:gand:How are you finding these icons, very funny.
How are you finding these icons, very funny.
:bath: I like this one.
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This is Egypt from revolution till now:Is this the bit when Morsi comes to power?
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Just waiting for Greeks and Macedonians here now to have a good laugh. :DAnd guess what will happen if Bulgarians and Spartans get involved. :lol:
And guess what will happen if Bulgarians and Spartans get involved. :lol:Shit sooooooooooooooon. Lock this topic while you can people! :D
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Just a question, that Basarabia is now a Moldova or ?
I cannot see the image sir, dropbox also puts a 404!
moment when I was bornPost pictures which marked the history of your country
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Meth, not even once.
1940Basarabia ! Romanian land !We will not forget.
Is this the bit when Morsi comes to power?Yup lol
Murder of Srebrenica - Very bad, over 5000 people have killed (1995-2003)
Croatian operation thunderstorm - 400.000 Serbs exiled from Croatia, thousands and thousands and thousands murrdered men, women, children. I rest my case.Are you trying to justify deaths of Bosniaks because of what CROATIANS did?
Are you trying to justify deaths of Bosniaks because of what CROATIANS did?
Nope really, just pointing out that we are not the only bad guys.War doesn't mean kill everything in front of you that is moving. I now understand why you can be proud of people like Mladic.
Also, WTF people, that was war, OFCOURSE civilians got killed. There is NO such thing as a war crime really. War is 2 countries killing the shit out of each other, i really believe that both Serbs, Croats and Bosnians are just talking bullshit really. I mean war crimes comon! In a pool of blood, killing civilians is a crime...
P.S. You guys down there in Albania aint too good neither. Burned down hundreds of orthodox churches on Kosovo...
Also, WTF people, that was war, OFCOURSE civilians got killed. There is NO such thing as a war crime really.
killing civilians is a crime...You said it yourself lol. You're mixing up the events of Srebrenica with the whole Yugoslavian war in the 90ies. Srebrenica was a war crime, wether you like it or not. The execution of 8000 armless civilians goes under genocide in my book. Like in WWII, besides the war, you had the holocaust as well.
War doesn't mean kill everything in front of you that is moving. I now understand why you can be proud of people like Mladic.
You said it yourself lol. You're mixing up the events of Srebrenica with the whole Yugoslavian war in the 90ies. Srebrenica was a war crime, wether you like it or not. The execution of 8000 armless civilians goes under genocide in my book. Like in the WWII, besides the war, you had the holocaust as well.
Omg.. Yet another topic ruined by the Balkan people constantly fighting each other because of the collapse of their beloved Yugoslavia.. Take that shit elsewhere, this topic is not for arguing..No you're right, the topic is to flood it with Lithuana, a country no one gives a shit about. :lol:
Omg.. Yet another topic ruined by the Balkan people constantly fighting each other because of the collapse of their beloved Yugoslavia.. Take that shit elsewhere, this topic is not for arguing..
So did Croats do with Serbs and noone seems to get on their backs...That doesn't give you the right to slaughter innocent civilians for the sake of history and ethnicity. That's living in the medieval ages. :pissed:
Albanians on Kosovo killing thousands of innocent people, Croats, Serbs in Bosnia, USA EVERY day in afghanistan, USA in Iraq, USA in Libya, USA in Vietnam etc, etc... Unmaned drone strikes killing tons of people, soldiers raping women, there was even a footage that got removed which i had possesion of last year where US soldiers are using womend and children from Iraq as targets to pracitse shooting etc etc... Anyway, they put laws on war which they dont even obey. All this examples show that war crimes are nothing else than tools to put in jail men who are making way too much trouble.True.
Seriously, there is no point in arguing when this is the truth.
That doesn't give you the right to slaughter innocent civilians for the sake of history and ethnicity. That's living in the medieval ages. :pissed:
True.
But why are Serbs the only ones who are getting in trouble for war crimes?Weren't Croatians as well as even some Bosniaks accused of war crimes? Because I remember very clearly having read a couple of articles on that, but I cannot recall their names. How are you being punished exactly? The responsible people are either dead or locked up, and the UN bombings are comparable with the Hiroshima atomic bomb disaster in terms of reasoning. The Yugoslavian army proceeded the war even after all the warnings. Now, Serbia is on its way into the EU so I fail to see who exactly you refer to. Also, in terms of punishing Americans, I agree, but that's another point.
Why arent Albanians punished?
Why arent Croats punished?
Why arent Americans punished?
WHY are ONLY SERBS punished?
Weren't Croatians as well as even some Bosniaks accused of war crimes? Because I remember very clearly having read a couple of articles on that, but I cannot recall their names. How are you being punished exactly? The responsible people are either dead or locked up, and the UN bombings are comparable with the Hiroshima atomic bomb disaster in terms of reasoning. The Yugoslavian army proceeded the war even after all the warnings. Now, Serbia is on its way into the EU so I fail to see who exactly you refer to. Also, in terms of punishing Americans, I agree, but that's another point.Well, why NATO has been created?
Well, why NATO has been created?It was created in 1945 after the second World War. At first, its duty consisted of keeping world peace, but throughout history, it kind off lost it's true meaning and became more of a counter-alliance against the Soviet Union during the cold war up until the day of today. Hence it proved its uselessness during multiple war crimes after WW2, like the Rwandan genocide as well. Not sure how that question is relevant, but you could've googled it yourself. :D
It was created in 1945 after the second World War. At first, its duty consisted of keeping world peace, but throughout history, it kind off lost it's true meaning and became more of a counter-alliance against the Soviet Union during the cold war up until the day of today. Hence it proved its uselessness during multiple war crimes after WW2, like the Rwandan genocide as well. Not sure how that question is relevant, but you could've googled it yourself. :DLol, I didn't ask its definition. Asking why haven't it tried to keep world peace while murder in Srebrenica? Is it enough to making Srebrenica a secured place? Why Tom Karremans didn't prevent murder? Mladic is a still criminal, why didn't he jailed?
Lol, I didn't ask its definition. Asking why haven't it tried to keep world peace while murder in Srebrenica? Is it enough to making Srebrenica a secured place? Why Tom Karremans didn't prevent murder? Mladic is a still criminal, why didn't he jailed?You asked why it was created, so I gave you the reasons. Now, why it didn't intervene in time, is a lot more complex than that. When the war started, and reached the events of Srebrenica, there was a lot of deceit from Mladic' side. He kept the war in the dark to the outsiders, stating that it wasn't an invasion nor war, and NATO had no legal authority to intervene, etc. which proved how truly useless they were (are?). Some people even claim that the bombings by the end of the war were illegal. I don't know about that as much, but if it was, it simply shows the paradox of democracy. Legal vs. illegal =/= Justice vs. injustice. The Yugoslav army could do whatever they wanted due to NATO's bureaucratic system and protocols, which in the end just hit them right back in the face. Same with Rwanda and all other examples out there. Perhaps even Libya and Syria could be compared.
Lol, I didn't ask its definition. Asking why haven't it tried to keep world peace while murder in Srebrenica? Is it enough to making Srebrenica a secured place? Why Tom Karremans didn't prevent murder? Mladic is a still criminal, why didn't he jailed?
Weren't Croatians as well as even some Bosniaks accused of war crimes? Because I remember very clearly having read a couple of articles on that, but I cannot recall their names. How are you being punished exactly? The responsible people are either dead or locked up, and the UN bombings are comparable with the Hiroshima atomic bomb disaster in terms of reasoning. The Yugoslavian army proceeded the war even after all the warnings. Now, Serbia is on its way into the EU so I fail to see who exactly you refer to. Also, in terms of punishing Americans, I agree, but that's another point.
My apologies, i ment:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribunal_for_the_former_Yugoslavia
Serbian war criminals are in Hague for war crimes whislt Croatian war criminals are free.
You asked why it was created, so I gave you the reasons. Now, why it didn't intervene in time, is a lot more complex than that. When the war started, and reached the events of Srebrenica, there was a lot of deceit from Mladic' side. He kept the war in the dark to the outsiders, stating that it wasn't an invasion nor war, and NATO had no legal authority to intervene, etc. which proved how truly useless they were (are?). Some people even claim that the bombings by the end of the war were illegal. I don't know about that as much, but if it was, it simply shows the paradox of democracy. Legal vs. illegal =/= Justice vs. injustice. The Yugoslav army could do whatever they wanted due to NATO's bureaucratic system and protocols, which in the end just hit them right back in the face. Same with Rwanda and all other examples out there. Perhaps even Libya and Syria could be compared.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribunal_for_the_former_Yugoslavia
Under 'Indictees', you can see procecutions on a Croatian (Ante Gotovina) and a Kosovan (Ramush Haradinaj) as well, for example.
Mate, Mladic is in jail for some years now!Ok, my fault. But UN helped(!) citizens of Srebrenica, right? Is helping mean sent only 1 war plane? And government of Netherlands took all weapons of Bosniaks, why? Because they helped Serbs to murder.
Ok, my fault. But UN helped(!) citizens of Srebrenica, right? Is helping mean sent only 1 war plane? And government of Netherlands took all weapons of Bosniaks, why? Because they helped Serbs to murder.
Basicly, the easies way to describe staus of Balkans on an easiest way possible: Everyone is f**king everyone.Armies of Balkan countries' killing innocent civilians. Why lots of people murdering?
That is correct. NATO had NO authority to intervent on the Balkans. Also, this is the way i see it:Because it's not the 16th century? :lol: NATO would've been of some kind of value if it would actually look upon the situation and intervene if the people (civilians =/= soldiers =/= war) are in danger unrelated to protocols.
When 2 countries go to war, let them. Why the hell should 7 more countries intervent and risk a new WW? Nothing positive will happen, and the ground will be stained with the blood of 7 more nations.
Ante Gotovina - war criminal in the rank of Ratko Mladic is released. Ratko is still in Jail, Seselj is still in jail, Karadzic is still in jail...Croatian's Liberation war, as I see it, was more of a 'war' than Bosnia. By this I mean, by your opinion, you find that war should not be intervened with. Now, what happened in Bosnia is a tad more complex than only a 'war' between two or more parties. During the 90ies unrest in the Balkans, the only genocide (which is still a horrendous act against man kind) that was classified was the Srebrenica massacre. Now as I see it, the judges in The Hague obviously weigh a genocide (killing of armless and defenceless civilians for ethnic cleansing) more than a war (where both parties fight eachother, but are able to defend themselves).
Also, did not know that Ramush was in Hague.
No you're right, the topic is to flood it with Lithuana, a country no one gives a shit about. :lol:
Implying anyone gives a shit about your psychotic murderous balkans.
Because it's not the 16th century? :lol: NATO would've been of some kind of value if it would actually look upon the situation and intervene if the people (civilians =/= soldiers =/= war) are in danger unrelated to protocols.
Croatian's Liberation war, as I see it, was more of a 'war' than Bosnia. By this I mean, by your opinion, you find that war should not be intervened with. Now, what happened in Bosnia is a tad more complex than only a 'war' between two or more parties. During the 90ies unrest in the Balkans, the only genocide (which is still a horrendous act against man kind) that was classified was the Srebrenica massacre. Now as I see it, the judges in The Hague obviously weigh a genocide (killing of armless and defenceless civilians for ethnic cleansing) more than a war (where both parties fight eachother, but are able to defend themselves).
Most wars have been fought over Balkans than anything. So many blood spilled, just to get that small piece of Earth. Reason? It was and is the link of east and west. JUST IN SERBIA, you can find EVERY SINGLE ONE METAL from the mendelevs system of elements. Now, the fact that we are torn apart because of wars is another story... Anyway, Balkan is extreamly important ;)
If only international laws are made for everyone, we wouldnt be having this discussion right now ;)
Implying anyone gives a shit about your psychotic murderous balkans.
Implying anyone gives a shit about your psychotic murderous balkans.If they wouldn't, how come every Balkan discussion lasts at least a few pages long while you're the only one yamming about Lithuana 24/7 with your deserted topics. :lol:
Why arent Albanians punished?Our leaders didn't hide from the Hague for 20 years.
Our leaders didn't hide from the Hague for 20 years.
Grand Duchy of Lithuania was very important as well, it also served as a bridge between Eastern Europe and the Western Europe, not to mention it protected Europe from the Golden Mongol Horde. We were the ONLY country in Europe who refused to pay them tax and have successfully ran them away from Europe.
In 1980s, when the wall of Berlin has broken, SSCB created new countries:Russia, Polonia, Lithuania, Belarus and Estonia. Yugoslavia too: Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Albania etc. Also Czech Republic and Slovakia. Why?
1. Albania was never in Yugoslavia, Macedonia was, you mixed those 2.Exactly.
2. A BIG country is dangerouse, break it up into smaller pieces which hate each other, and you will notice their power going weaker and weaker every day ;)
1. Albania was never in Yugoslavia, Macedonia was, you mixed those 2.1. Okay, sorry.
2. A BIG country is dangerouse, break it up into smaller pieces which hate each other, and you will notice their power going weaker and weaker every day ;)
1. Okay, sorry.Russia not dangerous? I don't think so.
2. Russia still big, USA, Canada, China. Aren't they big? Are they dangerous? I don't think so.
In 1980s, when the wall of Berlin has broken, SSCB created new countries:Russia, Polonia, Lithuania, Belarus and Estonia. Yugoslavia too: Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Albania etc. Also Czech Republic and Slovakia. Why?Because Yugoslavia was one of the strongest forces in the world*.
Because Yugoslavia was one of the strongest forces in the Earth.
So basicly this is what you are saying:You're missing the logic, because if he was innocent, he wouldn't be hiding for 20 years in the first place.
A serial killer is hiding from police 20 years, he gets caught finally, he is punished.
Now what you said was if some other serial killer surrenders to the police immediatly he aint gonna get punished.
It misses something... Umm yeah, logic.
You're missing the logic, because if he was innocent, he wouldn't be hiding for 20 years in the first place.If he wasn't innocent? Where the hell he is going for 20 years?
If he wasn't innocent? Where the hell he is going for 20 years?Ask Mladic.
Actually, people do give a shit about them. Because, after all, Balkans are always in the news (and in the map). Lithuania, on the other hand... :neutral2:Lol. Made me giggle just a tad bit.
Our leaders didn't hide from the Hague for 20 years.Where is Enver Hoxha now?
Where is Enver Hoxha now?(http://michaelharrison.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/236-Hoxhas-Grave-08-11-12.jpg)
(http://michaelharrison.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/236-Hoxhas-Grave-08-11-12.jpg)Oh, I didn't know that :)
You're missing the logic, because if he was innocent, he wouldn't be hiding for 20 years in the first place.
Seriously mate, get a pair of glasses, i never said Mladic was innocent.Take your own advice, because I meant it in general and not about Mladic.
Take your own advice, because I meant it in general and not about Mladic.
The point is: By your logic, realease of war criminals who surrendered immediatly is just, but not releasing those who tried to get away.No, I'm pointing out that if they go hiding, they're most likely guilty.
No, I'm pointing out that if they go hiding, they're most likely guilty.
Where did you point that out? Quote that please.I'm sorry that common sense is something that you don't possess, next time I will make it very very clear for you.
If they wouldn't, how come every Balkan discussion lasts at least a few pages long while you're the only one yamming about Lithuana 24/7 with your deserted topics. :lol:
Don't you think that's because Lithuanians don't tend to be annoying and flooding each historical/political topic with SRPSKA VS BOSNIA arguments?You're the only one being annoying everywhere.
Oh, and those who come from the ex USSR and say Lithuania is not important - why dont you just submit yourselves to the mighty Russia? We started the collapse of USSR after all...
And just look at Lithuania now, due to events at Ukraine, suits from all over Europe and US are flying to Lithuania, because Lithuania is NATO border with the Russia and their allies. If Lithuania falls, Europe most likely falls to Russia as well.
We started the collapse of USSR after all...LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
(Getting back on Topic)
I'm sorry that common sense is something that you don't possess, next time I will make it very very clear for you.
You asked why Albanians aren't being punished. Well, Albanians leaders surrendered, like Haradinaj, who was proven innocent twice.
Tell that to the families of the killed. Sorry mate, they can be proved innocent 100000 times in every court in the world, but both me and you know that they are guilty. There is nothing that anyone can say or do to cover up that truth.No, let's just put it how it really is: Anyone who disagrees with Serbs is a liar and Serbs are the ones who are always right and know everything.
Also, what about the organ trade huh? Why arent doctors, who took out organs from innocent Serbs without even a freakin anestetic, and than gave those organs to be sold in order to finance KLA not punished?!Proof please.
WHERE is the justice there?
Don't you think that's because Lithuanians don't tend to be annoying and flooding each historical/political topic with SRPSKA VS BOSNIA arguments?Lithuania is also preventing US from attacking Malaysia, did you see USA attacking Malaysia? No? thnk d33r lithuania :v:
Oh, and those who come from the ex USSR and say Lithuania is not important - why dont you just submit yourselves to the mighty Russia? We started the collapse of USSR after all...
And just look at Lithuania now, due to events at Ukraine, suits from all over Europe and US are flying to Lithuania, because Lithuania is NATO border with the Russia and their allies. If Lithuania falls, Europe most likely falls to Russia as well.
Getting back on topic.Should I keep quoting or you will get it?
Should I keep quoting or you will get it?Then you're also getting "offtopic".
No, let's just put it how it really is: Anyone who disagrees with Serbs is a liar and Serbs are the ones who are always right and know everything.We are not the ones that are always right, its just that you Albanians are always lying.
Proof please.
Then you're also getting "offtopic".Just stop arguing about the Balkans,you won't change anything. I live there too.
We are not the ones that are always right, its just that you Albanians are always lying.Yes, and it's just a coincidence that you're always proven wrong by the world.
A year ago, an Albanian doctor who did those kind of surgeries of organ extraction on still alive and anestetic free Serbs was tracked down in turkey. I believe that they either called him Dr. Butcher or Dr.Frankenstein (IDK right now cant remember, also doesnt matter). Anyway they tracked him down, also EU said on national television that everyone for that awful crime will be punished at all costs. Aaaand that chase went for round a month and they gave up... So much about justice. THAT is my proof.See, that's where you failed. He wasn't an Albanian doctor, he was a Turkish gangster who was operating in Prishtina and was caught by Kosovo police in an illegal clinic. He not only operated in Kosovo, but in several other countries and was finally prosecuted in Turkey. The allegations by EULEX in Kosovo's court were that some Albanians supposedly lured people from other countries into the clinic (not even proven), however it had no connection to the claimed organ-theft on Serbs who went missing during the war.
See, that's where you failed. He wasn't an Albanian doctor, he was a Turkish gangster who was operating in Prishtina and was caught by Kosovo police in an illegal clinic. He not only operated in Kosovo, but in several other countries and was finally prosecuted in Turkey. The allegations by EULEX in Kosovo's court were that some Albanians supposedly lured people from other countries into the clinic (not even proven), however it had no connection to the claimed organ-theft on Serbs who went missing during the war.
Just do some research on the "yellow house". Eh, a lot of things were never officially proven, yet everyone knows that it is the truth. Best example is USA invasion of the middle east. It was a "war on terrorism" but actually, its just God damn America trying to steal oil. You see, shit like that happens every day. Just if it was not proove officialy does not mean it didnt happen ;)And now you're jumping to another topic because I just proved you wrong. The yellow house is also only a claim, it has not been proven; it's only part of Serbian propaganda, which is why it can't be proven.
And now you're jumping to another topic because I just proved you wrong. The yellow house is also only a claim, it has not been proven; it's only part of Serbian propaganda, which is why it can't be proven.
Your logic is saying that any accusation that hasn't been proven is true.
Im not saying that things that havent been proven are always true. Im just saying that THIS PARTICULAR thing is true. As you say for Serbian, THIS is Albanian propaganda. Trying to look good... BTW did Serbs banish Albanians from Kosovo? Oh no, wait, it was vica verse. Albanians also did horrific crimes over Serbs, and you are the good guys... Twisting history to suit you, sorry mate, never gonna happen. I rest my case.No proof for your propaganda doesn't make it Albanian propaganda, it makes it nothing more but allegations. Oh, and who was the one who banned Albanian language, schools, stripped Albanians from their rights etc.? Let me give you a hint, his first name starts with S and last name with M.