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Title: History Lesson
Post by: Twister on February 18, 2014, 11:09:55 pm
Post pictures which marked the history of your country



(http://i.imgur.com/YVAcbyi.jpg)

1940

Basarabia ! Romanian land !
We will not forget.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Antonio. on February 18, 2014, 11:49:53 pm
Oh no...
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Devin on February 19, 2014, 12:05:13 am
Oh no...

 :gand:
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Archie on February 19, 2014, 12:08:09 am
:gand:
How are you finding these icons, very funny.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: .James on February 19, 2014, 12:10:31 am
How are you finding these icons, very funny.


 :) :D :lol: ;) :balance: :mad: :rofl: :hah: :neutral2: :uhm: :( :cop: :eek: :bananarock: :cowboy: :bananav: :depature: :dance: :smack: :janek: :rolleyes: :weed: :war: :app: :gand: :cry: :neutral: :sweat: :pissed: :v: :rage: :jackson: :strong: :dead: :bore: :bang: :fly: :hitit: :clock: :bath: :door:
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Archie on February 19, 2014, 12:14:05 am

 :) :D :lol: ;) :balance: :mad: :rofl: :hah: :neutral2: :uhm: :( :cop: :eek: :bananarock: :cowboy: :bananav: :depature: :dance: :smack: :janek: :rolleyes: :weed: :war: :app: :gand: :cry: :neutral: :sweat: :pissed: :v: :rage: :jackson: :strong: :dead: :bore: :bang: :fly: :hitit: :clock: :bath: :door:
:bath: I like this one.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Omar Aly on February 23, 2014, 07:31:04 pm
This is Egypt from revolution till now:


  :bananav:  :rage:  :mad:  :dead:  :app:  :war:  :weed:  :(  :janek:  :bananav:  :mad:  :dead:  :app:  :gand:  :hah:  :v:
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Astaroth on February 23, 2014, 08:02:01 pm
Just waiting for Greeks and Macedonians here now to have a good laugh. :D
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: [WS]Jacob on February 23, 2014, 08:10:20 pm
This is Egypt from revolution till now:


:app:  :gand:  :hah:  :v:
Is this the bit when Morsi comes to power?
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Alexander_Rijav on February 23, 2014, 08:28:45 pm
Just waiting for Greeks and Macedonians here now to have a good laugh. :D
And guess what will happen if Bulgarians and Spartans get involved.  :lol:
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Astaroth on February 24, 2014, 01:29:25 am
And guess what will happen if Bulgarians and Spartans get involved.  :lol:
Shit sooooooooooooooon. Lock this topic while you can people! :D
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Skalleper on February 24, 2014, 03:08:48 am
(http://i60.tinypic.com/v48ahk.jpg)
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Mr. Goobii on February 24, 2014, 06:17:02 pm
(https://photos-3.dropbox.com/t/0/AADUVmylnxMiTHcQZvmePWdJo4gPv8m0_jN4zwy7MtoZuA/12/237081954/jpeg/1024x768/3/1393214400/0/2/Photo%202008-06-11%2007%2033%2041.jpg/qVgnMhR8JniAE0Qln_iZ4XswiTT1t8bZpy64JPfXOxE)

I cannot see the image sir, dropbox also puts a 404!
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: yoske on February 24, 2014, 06:22:13 pm
Just a question, that Basarabia is now a Moldova or ?
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Kewlizm on February 24, 2014, 06:35:09 pm
Just a question, that Basarabia is now a Moldova or ?

I'm not sure since I'm not really familiar with that area but according to my memory of my history lessons, most of Basarabia is nowaday Moldova, although some parts of Basarabia is nowaday Ukraine.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Skalleper on February 24, 2014, 06:45:59 pm
I cannot see the image sir, dropbox also puts a 404!

Sorry sir, updated.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Petarda on February 24, 2014, 06:49:14 pm
Post pictures which marked the history of your country
moment when I was born

no pics sorry
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Mr. Goobii on February 24, 2014, 06:54:31 pm
SWEDEN

Sweden has a cruel and very dark history with much war and focus on military. Today's Sweden has grown to become something ordinary, far beyond what it once was. History changes much of what a country has been and it takes time. Sweden was the bad guys when they fought, we didn't defend, we had offensive strategic to take over Norway, Denmark and Russia. But not anymore...  :lol:


Denmark takes control over Gotland, Sweden. (14th century)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Valdemar_Atterdag_brandskattar_Visby_%281882%29.jpg/800px-Valdemar_Atterdag_brandskattar_Visby_%281882%29.jpg)

The Swedish Empire (17th century)
(http://www.colonialswedes.org/Images/History/GrPwr.gif)

A Part of the Swedish Capital in the 17th century when Sweden was a Empire.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Suecia_1-054_%3B_Sodra_Bancohuset.jpg/800px-Suecia_1-054_%3B_Sodra_Bancohuset.jpg)

Death of king Gustav II Adolf in the Battle of Lützen (17th century)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Battle_of_Lutzen.jpg/800px-Battle_of_Lutzen.jpg)

More fighting and between Russia and Sweden. (Sweden vs Russia fought 13 wars totally) (17th century)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Marten%27s_Poltava.jpg)

Illustrated image of the poverty that accused after all the fighting. (17th century)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Starvation_image_from_F%C3%A4derneslandet_1867.jpg/616px-Starvation_image_from_F%C3%A4derneslandet_1867.jpg)
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Petarda on February 24, 2014, 06:56:31 pm
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Starvation_image_from_F%C3%A4derneslandet_1867.jpg/616px-Starvation_image_from_F%C3%A4derneslandet_1867.jpg)
Meth, not even once.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Mr. Goobii on February 24, 2014, 07:09:37 pm
Meth, not even once.

The poverty that we had even up to 1880 AD is one factor why Sweden today have such high quality of living. The granting of social policies that became to inspiration us to head over a Socialism to secure that nobody will ever live in poverty again. The era of Social Democracy and left parties that ruled and secured social security, free days at weeks, vacation, free schooling, security of unemployment, free healthcare and much more. Also the raises of the industrial Sweden which is important for such structure to work.


Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: JayL on February 24, 2014, 07:15:06 pm
1940

Basarabia ! Romanian land !
We will not forget.

What about the Second Vienna Award of 1940, the Treaty of Craiova or the people who returned this lost land to Romania? Will you also not forget? :D
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Omar Aly on February 27, 2014, 12:00:11 am
Is this the bit when Morsi comes to power?
Yup lol
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Dean. on February 27, 2014, 12:36:39 am
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MFgK7pT95Hw/TWGICTIaSgI/AAAAAAAAAF8/NWqUzF3yYTQ/s400/Star%2BWars%2BSpoof%2Bof%2Bhistory%2BGeorge%2BWashington%2Band%2Bcolonists%2Band%2BRed%2BCoats%2Bfighting%2Bwith%2Blightsabers%2Bfunny.jpg)






(http://www.cr-cath.pvt.k12.ia.us/lasalle/Resources/8th%20Websites%202013/Josh%20Sophia%20Brylie%20Nicole%20Rev%20War/Sophia%20Maher%20Rev.%20War/images/boston-tea-party-3.jpg)




(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4c4ef22d7f8b9a7027f10800/civil-war-confederacy.jpg)





(http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2013/4-27-13-iwo-jima-flag-raising/15650567-2-eng-US/4-27-13-Iwo-Jima-flag-raising_full_600.jpg)





(http://thebaresquare.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/old-glory.png)
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Archie on March 19, 2014, 12:30:49 am
Ottoman Empire - No need to tell anything, because everyone know. Conquesting Istanbul, not easy to governing an empire for 600 years.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: TheGreasyChopper on March 19, 2014, 12:35:28 am
(http://zikata.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/bulgarian-khan-tervel.jpg)

 Khan Tervel and his armies helped Constantinople fight back the Arabs, when everybody thought it's impossible, thus saving Europe from the Arabs...Yet so few people are thankful for it.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 19, 2014, 12:44:41 am
SERBIA
 BATTLE OF KOSOVO - 1389

The Battle of Kosovo, also known as the Battle of Kosovo Field or the Battle of Blackbird's Field,  took place on St. Vitus' Day, June 15, 1389, between the army led by Serbian Prince Lazar Hrebeljanović, and the invading army of the Ottoman Empire under the leadership of Sultan Murad I. The army under Prince Lazar consisted of his own troops, a contingent led by Serbian nobleman Vuk Branković, and a contingent sent from Bosnia by King Tvrtko I, commanded by Vlatko Vuković. Prince Lazar was the ruler of Moravian Serbia, and the most powerful among the Serbian regional lords of the time, while Vuk Branković ruled a part of Kosovo and other areas, recognizing Lazar as his overlord. The Battle of Kosovo took place in the Kosovo Polje, about 5 kilometers northwest of modern-day Pristina.

In this gloriouse battle, Serbia, contrare to what people think and to what it was told in Serbian epic songs, triumphed. Serbs repelled the Turkish attack, made them retreat, and they were beaten so bad that they did not attack for next 5 decades. After 5 decades, Turks attacked again, but this time they triumphed over Austrian troops, but that is a whole diffrent story. Basicly, Turks were repelled so bad that they could reorganize and attack 50 years later. I believe that that is a victory for the Serbian people. Serbs heroicly repelled Turks, thus stopping Turks from conquering Europe. What many people do not know is that bells in all catholich churches ring exeactly at noon, and that is because the Pope ordered that in order for everyone to remember the victory of Serbs over the Turkish invaders.

Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: albertlau128 on March 19, 2014, 01:55:48 pm
Better check this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong) out (City not country I think)

(http://samcpherson.homestead.com/files/McPhersonYMCA/HongKongHarbour__early1900s_.JPG)
A postcard in 1929 showing Hong Kong in 1900s

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Battle_of_HK_06.jpg)
25th December 1941, Hong Kong was conquered by Japanese (started the 3 years and 8 months of darkness). This pic is taken in Queen's Road, Hong Kong Island

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/HK010.jpg/800px-HK010.jpg)
Hong Kong in 1986, one of the British Colony

(http://www.newsgd.com/specials/the55thnationalday/chinaachievement/200409280048_21114.gif)
Chinese and British leaders at the Hong Kong sovereignty handover ceremony (1st July, 1997)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Kowloon_Panorama_by_Ryan_Cheng_2010.jpg/1600px-Kowloon_Panorama_by_Ryan_Cheng_2010.jpg)
A general view of Hong Kong now (Bottom is Hong Kong Island, the opposite side is Kowloon Penisula and New Territories, the middle is the Victoria Harbour)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Hong_Kong_Skyline_Panorama_-_Dec_2008.jpg/1665px-Hong_Kong_Skyline_Panorama_-_Dec_2008.jpg)
A night view now :)



P.S. No copyright infringement intended.

Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Archie on March 19, 2014, 05:19:51 pm
Murder of Srebrenica - Very bad, over 5000 people have killed (1995-2003)
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 19, 2014, 05:29:14 pm
Murder of Srebrenica - Very bad, over 5000 people have killed (1995-2003)

Croatian operation thunderstorm - 400.000 Serbs exiled from Croatia, thousands and thousands and thousands murrdered men, women, children. I rest my case.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Huntsman on March 19, 2014, 05:30:13 pm
One of the most powerful and the most tolerant country in the middle-ages - reneisance The Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, it consisted of: Lithuanian, Polish, Russian, Karaim, Tatar, Arab, Jewish, Russian, Belarussian, Ruthenian, Ukrainian people.
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100712182811/althistory/images/d/d1/Polish-lithuanian-commonwealth-coat-of-arms.png)
One of the most famous fights in the holy crusade history - united Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Polish Kingdom forces defeat the crusaders for once and for all:
(http://vilnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/zalgirio.jpg)
The Polish - Lithuanian commonwealth
(http://austenetterespublica.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/europe_map_16481.png)
The Polish - Lithuanian uprising against the Russian empire.
(http://www.koncertniepodleglosci.pl/wp-content/398px-January_Uprising.svg_.png)
The army of the Republic of Lithuania marching to a fight with Poland (ironic, isn't it? Countries that once were like brothers now were the greatest enemies)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Lietuvos_kariuomene_1938.Army_of_Lithuania_in1938.jpg)
Lithuania incorporated into Soviet Union, its new flag.
(http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/s/su-lt.gif)
Lithuanian guerilla war against the soviet union , one of the longest known partisan wars in Europe.
(http://museum.gulagmemories.eu/sites/default/files/11.jpg)
Baltic way - the beggining of the brotherhood with Latvia and Estonia and an event that marked the start of the collapse of the USSR - Baltic way.
(http://gs.delfi.lt/images/pix/file48847418_4dec30e7.jpg)
Unarmed Lithuanian citizens fend off the Soviet invaders
(http://www.kaisiadoriumuziejus.lt/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/sausio13-300x193.jpg)
Modern Lithuania
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Flag_of_Lithuania.svg)
(http://g2.delfi.lt/images/pix/file59273609_acaf7c30.jpg)
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Antonio. on March 19, 2014, 05:31:29 pm
Croatian operation thunderstorm - 400.000 Serbs exiled from Croatia, thousands and thousands and thousands murrdered men, women, children. I rest my case.
Are you trying to justify deaths of Bosniaks because of what CROATIANS did?
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 19, 2014, 05:34:04 pm
Are you trying to justify deaths of Bosniaks because of what CROATIANS did?

Nope really, just pointing out that we are not the only bad guys.

Also, WTF people, that was war, OFCOURSE civilians got killed. There is NO such thing as a war crime really. War is 2 countries killing the shit out of each other, i really believe that both Serbs, Croats and Bosnians are just talking bullshit really. I mean war crimes comon! In a pool of blood, killing civilians is a crime...

P.S. You guys down there in Albania aint too good neither. Burned down hundreds of orthodox churches on Kosovo...
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: beLTa on March 19, 2014, 05:35:28 pm
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Diorama,_cavemen_-_National_Museum_of_Mongolian_History.jpg)

A fake one, but it was happened a while ago. A trick to burn fire.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Antonio. on March 19, 2014, 05:37:04 pm
Nope really, just pointing out that we are not the only bad guys.

Also, WTF people, that was war, OFCOURSE civilians got killed. There is NO such thing as a war crime really. War is 2 countries killing the shit out of each other, i really believe that both Serbs, Croats and Bosnians are just talking bullshit really. I mean war crimes comon! In a pool of blood, killing civilians is a crime...

P.S. You guys down there in Albania aint too good neither. Burned down hundreds of orthodox churches on Kosovo...
War doesn't mean kill everything in front of you that is moving. I now understand why you can be proud of people like Mladic.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Archie on March 19, 2014, 05:40:06 pm
Mladic and Karadzic, but have you heard anyone called"Hasan Nuhanovic"? A real hero.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Borus on March 19, 2014, 05:42:12 pm
Also, WTF people, that was war, OFCOURSE civilians got killed. There is NO such thing as a war crime really.

killing civilians is a crime...
You said it yourself lol. You're mixing up the events of Srebrenica with the whole Yugoslavian war in the 90ies. Srebrenica was a war crime, wether you like it or not. The execution of 8000 armless civilians goes under genocide in my book. Like in WWII, besides the war, you had the holocaust as well.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Huntsman on March 19, 2014, 05:42:31 pm
Omg.. Yet another topic ruined by the Balkan people constantly fighting each other because of the collapse of their beloved Yugoslavia.. Take that shit elsewhere, this topic is not for arguing..
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 19, 2014, 05:43:21 pm
War doesn't mean kill everything in front of you that is moving. I now understand why you can be proud of people like Mladic.

Albanians on Kosovo killing thousands of innocent people, Croats, Serbs in Bosnia, USA EVERY day in afghanistan, USA in Iraq, USA in Libya, USA in Vietnam etc, etc... Unmaned drone strikes killing tons of people, soldiers raping women, there was even a footage that got removed which i had possesion of last year where US soldiers are using womend and children from Iraq as targets to pracitse shooting etc etc... Anyway, they put laws on war which they dont even obey. All this examples show that war crimes are nothing else than tools to put in jail men who are making way too much trouble.

Seriously, there is no point in arguing when this is the truth.

You said it yourself lol. You're mixing up the events of Srebrenica with the whole Yugoslavian war in the 90ies. Srebrenica was a war crime, wether you like it or not. The execution of 8000 armless civilians goes under genocide in my book. Like in the WWII, besides the war, you had the holocaust as well.

So did Croats do with Serbs and noone seems to get on their backs...
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Borus on March 19, 2014, 05:44:06 pm
Omg.. Yet another topic ruined by the Balkan people constantly fighting each other because of the collapse of their beloved Yugoslavia.. Take that shit elsewhere, this topic is not for arguing..
No you're right, the topic is to flood it with Lithuana, a country no one gives a shit about. :lol:
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 19, 2014, 05:44:55 pm
Omg.. Yet another topic ruined by the Balkan people constantly fighting each other because of the collapse of their beloved Yugoslavia.. Take that shit elsewhere, this topic is not for arguing..

Just to poin out - WE are not arguing. We are talking about history, what happened in the wars. Topic aint ruined, you might actually learn something  ;)
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Borus on March 19, 2014, 05:47:14 pm
So did Croats do with Serbs and noone seems to get on their backs...
That doesn't give you the right to slaughter innocent civilians for the sake of history and ethnicity. That's living in the medieval ages. :pissed:
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Archie on March 19, 2014, 05:47:38 pm
Albanians on Kosovo killing thousands of innocent people, Croats, Serbs in Bosnia, USA EVERY day in afghanistan, USA in Iraq, USA in Libya, USA in Vietnam etc, etc... Unmaned drone strikes killing tons of people, soldiers raping women, there was even a footage that got removed which i had possesion of last year where US soldiers are using womend and children from Iraq as targets to pracitse shooting etc etc... Anyway, they put laws on war which they dont even obey. All this examples show that war crimes are nothing else than tools to put in jail men who are making way too much trouble.

Seriously, there is no point in arguing when this is the truth.
True.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 19, 2014, 05:49:14 pm
That doesn't give you the right to slaughter innocent civilians for the sake of history and ethnicity. That's living in the medieval ages. :pissed:

But why are Serbs the only ones who are getting in trouble for war crimes?

Why arent Albanians punished?
Why arent Croats punished?
Why arent Americans punished?

WHY are ONLY SERBS punished?
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 19, 2014, 05:49:55 pm
True.

Finally, someone normal!
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Borus on March 19, 2014, 05:55:26 pm
But why are Serbs the only ones who are getting in trouble for war crimes?

Why arent Albanians punished?
Why arent Croats punished?
Why arent Americans punished?

WHY are ONLY SERBS punished?
Weren't Croatians as well as even some Bosniaks accused of war crimes? Because I remember very clearly having read a couple of articles on that, but I cannot recall their names. How are you being punished exactly? The responsible people are either dead or locked up, and the UN bombings are comparable with the Hiroshima atomic bomb disaster in terms of reasoning. The Yugoslavian army proceeded the war even after all the warnings. Now, Serbia is on its way into the EU so I fail to see who exactly you refer to. Also, in terms of punishing Americans, I agree, but that's another point.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Archie on March 19, 2014, 05:58:47 pm
Weren't Croatians as well as even some Bosniaks accused of war crimes? Because I remember very clearly having read a couple of articles on that, but I cannot recall their names. How are you being punished exactly? The responsible people are either dead or locked up, and the UN bombings are comparable with the Hiroshima atomic bomb disaster in terms of reasoning. The Yugoslavian army proceeded the war even after all the warnings. Now, Serbia is on its way into the EU so I fail to see who exactly you refer to. Also, in terms of punishing Americans, I agree, but that's another point.
Well, why NATO has been created?
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Borus on March 19, 2014, 06:03:12 pm
Well, why NATO has been created?
It was created in 1945 after the second World War. At first, its duty consisted of keeping world peace, but throughout history, it kind off lost it's true meaning and became more of a counter-alliance against the Soviet Union during the cold war up until the day of today. Hence it proved its uselessness during multiple war crimes after WW2, like the Rwandan genocide as well. Not sure how that question is relevant, but you could've googled it yourself. :D
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Archie on March 19, 2014, 06:12:22 pm
It was created in 1945 after the second World War. At first, its duty consisted of keeping world peace, but throughout history, it kind off lost it's true meaning and became more of a counter-alliance against the Soviet Union during the cold war up until the day of today. Hence it proved its uselessness during multiple war crimes after WW2, like the Rwandan genocide as well. Not sure how that question is relevant, but you could've googled it yourself. :D
Lol, I didn't ask its definition. Asking why haven't it tried to keep world peace while murder in Srebrenica? Is it enough to making Srebrenica a secured place? Why Tom Karremans didn't prevent murder? Mladic is a still criminal, why didn't he jailed?
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Borus on March 19, 2014, 06:22:41 pm
Lol, I didn't ask its definition. Asking why haven't it tried to keep world peace while murder in Srebrenica? Is it enough to making Srebrenica a secured place? Why Tom Karremans didn't prevent murder? Mladic is a still criminal, why didn't he jailed?
You asked why it was created, so I gave you the reasons. Now, why it didn't intervene in time, is a lot more complex than that. When the war started, and reached the events of Srebrenica, there was a lot of deceit from Mladic' side. He kept the war in the dark to the outsiders, stating that it wasn't an invasion nor war, and NATO had no legal authority to intervene, etc. which proved how truly useless they were (are?). Some people even claim that the bombings by the end of the war were illegal. I don't know about that as much, but if it was, it simply shows the paradox of democracy. Legal vs. illegal =/= Justice vs. injustice. The Yugoslav army could do whatever they wanted due to NATO's bureaucratic system and protocols, which in the end just hit them right back in the face. Same with Rwanda and all other examples out there. Perhaps even Libya and Syria could be compared.

Mladic went into hiding after the war and wasn't immediately traced. Funny though because he didn't even live a life in reclusive circumstances, meaning he WAS kept in the dark by the people around him, and mostprobably even the government, until they decided to finally hand him over in order to join the EU. He is currently jailed in The Hague in the Netherlands, and being processed for his actions.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 19, 2014, 06:24:29 pm
Lol, I didn't ask its definition. Asking why haven't it tried to keep world peace while murder in Srebrenica? Is it enough to making Srebrenica a secured place? Why Tom Karremans didn't prevent murder? Mladic is a still criminal, why didn't he jailed?

Mate, Mladic is in jail for some years now!

Weren't Croatians as well as even some Bosniaks accused of war crimes? Because I remember very clearly having read a couple of articles on that, but I cannot recall their names. How are you being punished exactly? The responsible people are either dead or locked up, and the UN bombings are comparable with the Hiroshima atomic bomb disaster in terms of reasoning. The Yugoslavian army proceeded the war even after all the warnings. Now, Serbia is on its way into the EU so I fail to see who exactly you refer to. Also, in terms of punishing Americans, I agree, but that's another point.

My apologies, i ment:

Serbian war criminals are in Hague for war  crimes whislt Croatian war criminals are free.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Borus on March 19, 2014, 06:29:41 pm
My apologies, i ment:

Serbian war criminals are in Hague for war  crimes whislt Croatian war criminals are free.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribunal_for_the_former_Yugoslavia
Under  'Indictees', you can see procecutions on a Croatian (Ante Gotovina) and a Kosovan (Ramush Haradinaj) as well, for example.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 19, 2014, 06:32:58 pm
You asked why it was created, so I gave you the reasons. Now, why it didn't intervene in time, is a lot more complex than that. When the war started, and reached the events of Srebrenica, there was a lot of deceit from Mladic' side. He kept the war in the dark to the outsiders, stating that it wasn't an invasion nor war, and NATO had no legal authority to intervene, etc. which proved how truly useless they were (are?). Some people even claim that the bombings by the end of the war were illegal. I don't know about that as much, but if it was, it simply shows the paradox of democracy. Legal vs. illegal =/= Justice vs. injustice. The Yugoslav army could do whatever they wanted due to NATO's bureaucratic system and protocols, which in the end just hit them right back in the face. Same with Rwanda and all other examples out there. Perhaps even Libya and Syria could be compared.

That is correct. NATO had NO authority to intervent on the Balkans. Also, this is the way i see it:

When 2 countries go to war, let them. Why the hell should 7 more countries intervent and risk a new WW? Nothing positive will happen, and the ground will be stained with the blood of 7 more nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribunal_for_the_former_Yugoslavia
Under  'Indictees', you can see procecutions on a Croatian (Ante Gotovina) and a Kosovan (Ramush Haradinaj) as well, for example.

Ante Gotovina - war criminal in the rank of Ratko Mladic is released. Ratko is still in Jail, Seselj is still in jail, Karadzic is still in jail...

Also, did not know that Ramush was in Hague.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Archie on March 19, 2014, 06:33:44 pm
Mate, Mladic is in jail for some years now!
Ok, my fault. But UN helped(!) citizens of Srebrenica, right? Is helping mean sent only 1 war plane? And government of Netherlands took all weapons of Bosniaks, why? Because they helped Serbs to murder.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 19, 2014, 06:35:55 pm
Ok, my fault. But UN helped(!) citizens of Srebrenica, right? Is helping mean sent only 1 war plane? And government of Netherlands took all weapons of Bosniaks, why? Because they helped Serbs to murder.

Basicly, the easies way to describe staus of Balkans on an easiest way possible: Everyone is fucking everyone.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Archie on March 19, 2014, 06:41:04 pm
Basicly, the easies way to describe staus of Balkans on an easiest way possible: Everyone is f**king everyone.
Armies of Balkan countries' killing innocent civilians. Why lots of people murdering?
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Eps_Smalls on March 19, 2014, 06:41:24 pm
This

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Then this

(http://www.albca.com/aclis/images/albanian_pictures/illyriaempiremap.gif)






(http://danlupu.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/io-pelasg-2.jpg?d2b9e7)


(http://i.imgur.com/ol2tgST.jpg?1)
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Borus on March 19, 2014, 06:43:29 pm
That is correct. NATO had NO authority to intervent on the Balkans. Also, this is the way i see it:

When 2 countries go to war, let them. Why the hell should 7 more countries intervent and risk a new WW? Nothing positive will happen, and the ground will be stained with the blood of 7 more nations.
Because it's not the 16th century? :lol: NATO would've been of some kind of value if it would actually look upon the situation and intervene if the people (civilians =/= soldiers =/= war) are in danger unrelated to protocols.

Ante Gotovina - war criminal in the rank of Ratko Mladic is released. Ratko is still in Jail, Seselj is still in jail, Karadzic is still in jail...

Also, did not know that Ramush was in Hague.
Croatian's Liberation war, as I see it, was more of a 'war' than Bosnia. By this I mean, by your opinion, you find that war should not be intervened with. Now, what happened in Bosnia is a tad more complex than only a 'war' between two or more parties. During the 90ies unrest in the Balkans, the only genocide (which is still a horrendous act against man kind) that was classified was the Srebrenica massacre. Now as I see it, the judges in The Hague obviously weigh a genocide (killing of armless and defenceless civilians for ethnic cleansing) more than a war (where both parties fight eachother, but are able to defend themselves).
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Huntsman on March 21, 2014, 10:02:21 pm
I have a very good song that describes Lithuanian-Poland Commonwealth :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC-PmpdZqAk&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Huntsman on March 21, 2014, 10:03:32 pm
No you're right, the topic is to flood it with Lithuana, a country no one gives a shit about. :lol:

Implying anyone gives a shit about your psychotic murderous balkans.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 21, 2014, 10:13:57 pm
Implying anyone gives a shit about your psychotic murderous balkans.

Most wars have been fought over Balkans than anything. So many blood spilled, just to get that small piece of Earth. Reason? It was and is the link of east and west. JUST IN SERBIA, you can find EVERY SINGLE ONE METAL from the mendelevs system of elements. Now, the fact that we are torn apart because of wars is another story... Anyway, Balkan is extreamly important ;)

Because it's not the 16th century? :lol: NATO would've been of some kind of value if it would actually look upon the situation and intervene if the people (civilians =/= soldiers =/= war) are in danger unrelated to protocols.
Croatian's Liberation war, as I see it, was more of a 'war' than Bosnia. By this I mean, by your opinion, you find that war should not be intervened with. Now, what happened in Bosnia is a tad more complex than only a 'war' between two or more parties. During the 90ies unrest in the Balkans, the only genocide (which is still a horrendous act against man kind) that was classified was the Srebrenica massacre. Now as I see it, the judges in The Hague obviously weigh a genocide (killing of armless and defenceless civilians for ethnic cleansing) more than a war (where both parties fight eachother, but are able to defend themselves).

If only international laws are made for everyone, we wouldnt be having this discussion right now  ;)
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Huntsman on March 21, 2014, 10:22:20 pm
Most wars have been fought over Balkans than anything. So many blood spilled, just to get that small piece of Earth. Reason? It was and is the link of east and west. JUST IN SERBIA, you can find EVERY SINGLE ONE METAL from the mendelevs system of elements. Now, the fact that we are torn apart because of wars is another story... Anyway, Balkan is extreamly important ;)

If only international laws are made for everyone, we wouldnt be having this discussion right now  ;)

Grand Duchy of Lithuania was very important as well, it also served as a bridge between Eastern Europe and the Western Europe, not to mention it protected Europe from the Golden Mongol Horde. We were the ONLY country in Europe who refused to pay them tax and have successfully ran them away from Europe.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: JayL on March 21, 2014, 10:38:40 pm
Implying anyone gives a shit about your psychotic murderous balkans.

Actually, people do give a shit about them. Because, after all, Balkans are always in the news (and in the map). Lithuania, on the other hand...  :neutral2:
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Borus on March 21, 2014, 10:41:51 pm
Implying anyone gives a shit about your psychotic murderous balkans.
If they wouldn't, how come every Balkan discussion lasts at least a few pages long while you're the only one yamming about Lithuana 24/7 with your deserted topics. :lol:
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Petarda on March 21, 2014, 10:49:36 pm
inb4 topic how lithuania was affected by balkan wars
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Antonio. on March 22, 2014, 01:05:41 pm
Why arent Albanians punished?

Our leaders didn't hide from the Hague for 20 years.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 22, 2014, 03:11:53 pm
Our leaders didn't hide from the Hague for 20 years.

So basicly this is what you are saying:

A serial killer is hiding from police 20 years, he gets caught finally, he is punished.

Now what you said was if some other serial killer surrenders to the police immediatly he aint gonna get punished.

It misses something... Umm yeah, logic.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 22, 2014, 03:20:25 pm
Grand Duchy of Lithuania was very important as well, it also served as a bridge between Eastern Europe and the Western Europe, not to mention it protected Europe from the Golden Mongol Horde. We were the ONLY country in Europe who refused to pay them tax and have successfully ran them away from Europe.

They stopped their advance cause ghenghis kan died, not cause Lithuanians stopped them :D .

On the other hand we stopped thurks whislt killing their emperor Murat, than making them retreat and dont come back for 5 decades while the european army oragnised for a second assault. Now the fact that European forces lost in the SECOND battle of Kosovo has nothing to do with people of Balkan and it is a whole diffrent story!

Basicly, make piece with it, Lithuania may be important, but Balkans are more important!
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Archie on March 23, 2014, 01:37:10 am
In 1980s, when the wall of Berlin has broken, SSCB created new countries:Russia, Polonia, Lithuania, Belarus and Estonia. Yugoslavia too: Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Albania etc. Also Czech Republic and Slovakia. Why?
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 23, 2014, 01:46:35 am
In 1980s, when the wall of Berlin has broken, SSCB created new countries:Russia, Polonia, Lithuania, Belarus and Estonia. Yugoslavia too: Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Albania etc. Also Czech Republic and Slovakia. Why?

1. Albania was never in Yugoslavia, Macedonia was, you mixed those 2.

2. A BIG country is dangerouse, break it up into smaller pieces which hate each other, and you will notice their power going weaker and weaker every day ;)
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: BojanS on March 23, 2014, 01:49:52 am
1. Albania was never in Yugoslavia, Macedonia was, you mixed those 2.

2. A BIG country is dangerouse, break it up into smaller pieces which hate each other, and you will notice their power going weaker and weaker every day ;)
Exactly.
As for "2." obvious "divide and conquer", sadly people were tricked. :(
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Archie on March 23, 2014, 01:51:15 am
1. Albania was never in Yugoslavia, Macedonia was, you mixed those 2.

2. A BIG country is dangerouse, break it up into smaller pieces which hate each other, and you will notice their power going weaker and weaker every day ;)
1. Okay, sorry.
2. Russia still big, USA, Canada, China. Aren't they big? Are they dangerous? I don't think so.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: zipp3r on March 23, 2014, 02:12:03 am
1. Okay, sorry.
2. Russia still big, USA, Canada, China. Aren't they big? Are they dangerous? I don't think so.
Russia not dangerous? I don't think so.

In 1980s, when the wall of Berlin has broken, SSCB created new countries:Russia, Polonia, Lithuania, Belarus and Estonia. Yugoslavia too: Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Albania etc. Also Czech Republic and Slovakia. Why?
Because Yugoslavia was one of the strongest forces in the world*.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 23, 2014, 03:35:40 am
Because Yugoslavia was one of the strongest forces in the Earth.

Just to mention that:

Yougoslavia had bigger export of weapons than food lol  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Antonio. on March 24, 2014, 12:03:53 am
So basicly this is what you are saying:

A serial killer is hiding from police 20 years, he gets caught finally, he is punished.

Now what you said was if some other serial killer surrenders to the police immediatly he aint gonna get punished.

It misses something... Umm yeah, logic.
You're missing the logic, because if he was innocent, he wouldn't be hiding for 20 years in the first place.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Archie on March 24, 2014, 12:08:50 am
You're missing the logic, because if he was innocent, he wouldn't be hiding for 20 years in the first place.
If he wasn't innocent? Where the hell he is going for 20 years?
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Antonio. on March 24, 2014, 12:10:31 am
If he wasn't innocent? Where the hell he is going for 20 years?
Ask Mladic.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Rick. on March 24, 2014, 12:10:50 am
Actually, people do give a shit about them. Because, after all, Balkans are always in the news (and in the map). Lithuania, on the other hand...  :neutral2:
Lol. Made me giggle just a tad bit.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Archie on March 24, 2014, 12:13:09 am
Our leaders didn't hide from the Hague for 20 years.
Where is Enver Hoxha now?
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Antonio. on March 24, 2014, 12:17:05 am
Where is Enver Hoxha now?
(http://michaelharrison.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/236-Hoxhas-Grave-08-11-12.jpg)
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Archie on March 24, 2014, 12:19:05 am
(http://michaelharrison.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/236-Hoxhas-Grave-08-11-12.jpg)
Oh, I didn't know that :)
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 24, 2014, 09:29:53 am
You're missing the logic, because if he was innocent, he wouldn't be hiding for 20 years in the first place.

Seriously mate, get a pair of glasses, i never said Mladic was innocent.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Antonio. on March 24, 2014, 09:47:45 am
Seriously mate, get a pair of glasses, i never said Mladic was innocent.
Take your own advice, because I meant it in general and not about Mladic.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 24, 2014, 11:57:21 am
Take your own advice, because I meant it in general and not about Mladic.

The point is: By your logic, realease of war criminals who surrendered immediatly is just, but not releasing those who tried to get away.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Antonio. on March 24, 2014, 09:49:06 pm
The point is: By your logic, realease of war criminals who surrendered immediatly is just, but not releasing those who tried to get away.
No, I'm pointing out that if they go hiding, they're most likely guilty.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 24, 2014, 10:47:22 pm
No, I'm pointing out that if they go hiding, they're most likely guilty.

Where did you point that out? Quote that please.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Antonio. on March 25, 2014, 12:36:00 pm
Where did you point that out? Quote that please.
I'm sorry that common sense is something that you don't possess, next time I will make it very very clear for you.

You asked why Albanians aren't being punished. Well, Albanians leaders surrendered, like Haradinaj, who was proven innocent twice.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: BarelyVisible on March 25, 2014, 01:46:49 pm
(Getting back on Topic)

1770 - British explorer Captain James Cook of the HMS Endeavor, claims Australia for England

(http://www.sydneybarani.com.au/assets/Captain-Cook.jpg)

1854 - The massacre at the Eureka Stockade, the first and only armed Australian resistance against British authority, leaving 28 people dead.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Eureka_stockade_battle.jpg)

1900 - Signing of the Australian constitution, "Commonwealth of Australia Act".

(http://constitution.naa.gov.au/image/1/630/0/media/pod_place_holder-1274839690.jpg)
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Huntsman on March 25, 2014, 04:46:47 pm
If they wouldn't, how come every Balkan discussion lasts at least a few pages long while you're the only one yamming about Lithuana 24/7 with your deserted topics. :lol:

Don't you think that's because Lithuanians don't tend to be annoying and flooding each historical/political topic with SRPSKA VS BOSNIA arguments?

Oh, and those who come from the ex USSR and say Lithuania is not important - why dont you just submit yourselves to the mighty Russia? We started the collapse of USSR after all...

And just look at Lithuania now, due to events at Ukraine, suits from all over Europe and US are flying to Lithuania, because Lithuania is NATO border with the Russia and their allies. If Lithuania falls, Europe most likely falls to Russia as well.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Borus on March 25, 2014, 05:32:26 pm
Don't you think that's because Lithuanians don't tend to be annoying and flooding each historical/political topic with SRPSKA VS BOSNIA arguments?

Oh, and those who come from the ex USSR and say Lithuania is not important - why dont you just submit yourselves to the mighty Russia? We started the collapse of USSR after all...

And just look at Lithuania now, due to events at Ukraine, suits from all over Europe and US are flying to Lithuania, because Lithuania is NATO border with the Russia and their allies. If Lithuania falls, Europe most likely falls to Russia as well.
You're the only one being annoying everywhere.
>2014
>still thinking your country is relevant
Shhh it's okay now, no more tears.

We started the collapse of USSR after all...
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
I give you a 2 out of 10, that's the most I can give you.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Alexander_Rijav on March 25, 2014, 06:11:09 pm
(Getting back on Topic)
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 25, 2014, 11:32:46 pm
I'm sorry that common sense is something that you don't possess, next time I will make it very very clear for you.

You asked why Albanians aren't being punished. Well, Albanians leaders surrendered, like Haradinaj, who was proven innocent twice.

Tell that to the families of the killed. Sorry mate, they can be proved innocent 100000 times in every court in the world, but both me and you know that they are guilty. There is nothing that anyone can say or do to cover up that truth.

Also, what about the organ trade huh? Why arent doctors, who took out organs from innocent Serbs without even a freakin anestetic, and than gave those organs to be sold in order to finance KLA not punished?!

WHERE is the justice there?
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Antonio. on March 25, 2014, 11:58:57 pm
Tell that to the families of the killed. Sorry mate, they can be proved innocent 100000 times in every court in the world, but both me and you know that they are guilty. There is nothing that anyone can say or do to cover up that truth.
No, let's just put it how it really is: Anyone who disagrees with Serbs is a liar and Serbs are the ones who are always right and know everything.

Quote
Also, what about the organ trade huh? Why arent doctors, who took out organs from innocent Serbs without even a freakin anestetic, and than gave those organs to be sold in order to finance KLA not punished?!

WHERE is the justice there?
Proof please.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Petarda on March 26, 2014, 01:36:54 am
Don't you think that's because Lithuanians don't tend to be annoying and flooding each historical/political topic with SRPSKA VS BOSNIA arguments?

Oh, and those who come from the ex USSR and say Lithuania is not important - why dont you just submit yourselves to the mighty Russia? We started the collapse of USSR after all...

And just look at Lithuania now, due to events at Ukraine, suits from all over Europe and US are flying to Lithuania, because Lithuania is NATO border with the Russia and their allies. If Lithuania falls, Europe most likely falls to Russia as well.
Lithuania is also preventing US from attacking Malaysia, did you see USA attacking Malaysia? No? thnk d33r lithuania :v:
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Alexander_Rijav on March 26, 2014, 10:23:05 am
Quote
Getting back on topic.
Should I keep quoting or you will get it?
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Dean. on March 26, 2014, 10:52:07 am
We were at war with Spain for 80 years, bad girls pls  :lol:
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Antonio. on March 26, 2014, 10:55:33 am
Should I keep quoting or you will get it?
Then you're also getting "offtopic".
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 26, 2014, 11:03:53 am
No, let's just put it how it really is: Anyone who disagrees with Serbs is a liar and Serbs are the ones who are always right and know everything.
We are not the ones that are always right, its just that you Albanians are always lying.

Proof please.

A year ago, an Albanian doctor who did those kind of surgeries of organ extraction on still alive and anestetic free Serbs was tracked down in turkey. I believe that they either called him Dr. Butcher or Dr.Frankenstein (IDK right now cant remember, also doesnt matter). Anyway they tracked him down, also EU said on national television that everyone for that awful crime will be punished at all costs. Aaaand that chase went for round a month and they gave up... So much about justice. THAT is my proof.

You see, when Serbs do something bad there is nothing that can top that. No argument that can prove that we are innocent whilst you people "are innocent all the time". Gimme a break. The world is fucked, and your people are just as guilty as my people, so please, give me break. If i can be man enough to admit it, so can you.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Alexander_Rijav on March 26, 2014, 12:30:28 pm
Then you're also getting "offtopic".
Just stop arguing about the Balkans,you won't change anything. I live there too.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Antonio. on March 26, 2014, 12:39:12 pm
We are not the ones that are always right, its just that you Albanians are always lying.
Yes, and it's just a coincidence that you're always proven wrong by the world.

Quote
A year ago, an Albanian doctor who did those kind of surgeries of organ extraction on still alive and anestetic free Serbs was tracked down in turkey. I believe that they either called him Dr. Butcher or Dr.Frankenstein (IDK right now cant remember, also doesnt matter). Anyway they tracked him down, also EU said on national television that everyone for that awful crime will be punished at all costs. Aaaand that chase went for round a month and they gave up... So much about justice. THAT is my proof.
See, that's where you failed. He wasn't an Albanian doctor, he was a Turkish gangster who was operating in Prishtina and was caught by Kosovo police in an illegal clinic. He not only operated in Kosovo, but in several other countries and was finally prosecuted in Turkey. The allegations by EULEX in Kosovo's court were that some Albanians supposedly lured people from other countries into the clinic (not even proven), however it had no connection to the claimed organ-theft on Serbs who went missing during the war.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 26, 2014, 08:53:19 pm
See, that's where you failed. He wasn't an Albanian doctor, he was a Turkish gangster who was operating in Prishtina and was caught by Kosovo police in an illegal clinic. He not only operated in Kosovo, but in several other countries and was finally prosecuted in Turkey. The allegations by EULEX in Kosovo's court were that some Albanians supposedly lured people from other countries into the clinic (not even proven), however it had no connection to the claimed organ-theft on Serbs who went missing during the war.

Just do some research on the "yellow house". Eh, a lot of things were never officially proven, yet everyone knows that it is the truth. Best example is USA invasion of the middle east. It was a "war on terrorism" but actually, its just God damn America trying to steal oil. You see, shit like that happens every day. Just if it was not proove officialy does not mean it didnt happen ;)
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Antonio. on March 26, 2014, 11:07:54 pm
Just do some research on the "yellow house". Eh, a lot of things were never officially proven, yet everyone knows that it is the truth. Best example is USA invasion of the middle east. It was a "war on terrorism" but actually, its just God damn America trying to steal oil. You see, shit like that happens every day. Just if it was not proove officialy does not mean it didnt happen ;)
And now you're jumping to another topic because I just proved you wrong. The yellow house is also only a claim, it has not been proven; it's only part of Serbian propaganda, which is why it can't be proven.

Your logic is saying that any accusation that hasn't been proven is true.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: aleksandar_gojkovic on March 26, 2014, 11:13:36 pm
And now you're jumping to another topic because I just proved you wrong. The yellow house is also only a claim, it has not been proven; it's only part of Serbian propaganda, which is why it can't be proven.

Your logic is saying that any accusation that hasn't been proven is true.

Im not saying that things that havent been proven are always true. Im just saying that THIS PARTICULAR thing is true. As you say for Serbian, THIS is Albanian propaganda. Trying to look good... BTW did Serbs banish Albanians from Kosovo? Oh no, wait, it was vica verse. Albanians also did horrific crimes over Serbs, and you are the good guys... Twisting history to suit you, sorry mate, never gonna happen. I rest my case.
Title: Re: History Lesson
Post by: Antonio. on March 27, 2014, 12:21:52 am
Im not saying that things that havent been proven are always true. Im just saying that THIS PARTICULAR thing is true. As you say for Serbian, THIS is Albanian propaganda. Trying to look good... BTW did Serbs banish Albanians from Kosovo? Oh no, wait, it was vica verse. Albanians also did horrific crimes over Serbs, and you are the good guys... Twisting history to suit you, sorry mate, never gonna happen. I rest my case.
No proof for your propaganda doesn't make it Albanian propaganda, it makes it nothing more but allegations. Oh, and who was the one who banned Albanian language, schools, stripped Albanians from their rights etc.? Let me give you a hint, his first name starts with S and last name with M.

Why don't you research of Albanian war crimes in Kosovo and compare it to the ones that Serbs did. Not only will you find out that you caused much more crimes and the first ones to do it, but you will see that you tried to cover up the massacres with propaganda. Killing civilians and then making them look like KLA soldiers, or even killing your own people so that you can call KLA terrorists or what not.

Here's a recent "Albanian" crime that has been proven by your own government:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=10f_1390423137

Serbian source:           http://www.kurir-info.rs/rade-markovic-dao-nalog-da-se-ubiju-srpska-deca-u-peci-1998-clanak-1182597

Warning: Both links contain a graphical image.
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