Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:IV => IV:MP - Liberty City Multiplayer => IV:MP General => Topic started by: Undertaker on February 28, 2014, 11:37:12 am
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Due to some recent events, majority of players are not aware by now of :
using /kill command to replanish your health is considered as an script abuse as you are avoiding
- Medical Services
- Food stores
- Hookers
In the event of getting car rammed and your health gets low, using /kill command is considered script abuse as well.
In RolePlay, using /kill command is permited depending on the scene ( Murders, etc ) .
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This.
Using it to get to your spawn point as a teleport is also prohibited.
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I would like to add - /resetspawn then jumping off from building is script abuse as well.
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Lots of things should be clarified heh
Tell me.. what about using /resetspawn after getting i.e. carkilled by someone [ Typing in the command while the "death" scene is on ] and I was like doing a pullover or smth?
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" I cuffed the suspect, i jail the suspect ".
Police officers should understand that they need to be active in the pursuit so they can cuff the suspect and jail them.
Example : Officer1 kept chasing the suspect until he flipped him, then Officer2 came to the scene and the suspect /gu-ed , Officer2 doesn't have the right to consider that the suspect is for him. That is considered as suspect steal.
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" I cuffed the suspect, i jail the suspect ".
Police officers should understand that they need to be active in the pursuit so they can cuff the suspect and jail them.
Example : Officer1 kept chasing the suspect until he flipped him, then Officer2 came to the scene and the suspect /gu-ed , Officer2 doesn't have the right to consider that the suspect is for him. That is considered as suspect steal.
What if there is/was 2 or more officers chasing the suspect, who is allowed to cuff then?
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Addition - if few officers were in chase and when suspect decides to surrender, any of them who participated in chase can /cuff him. But, the one who cuffs him will be the one who will /jail him. No standing in front of PD, no /jail then "I ll split the money" as its not your suspect to decide what are you going to do with money.
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I think this should be pretty obvious without pointing it out..
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Lots of things should be clarified heh
Tell me.. what about using /resetspawn after getting i.e. carkilled by someone [ Typing in the command while the "death" scene is on ] and I was like doing a pullover or smth?
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Lots of things should be clarified heh
Tell me.. what about using /resetspawn after getting i.e. carkilled by someone [ Typing in the command while the "death" scene is on ] and I was like doing a pullover or smth?
If someone is ruining your RP with rulebreak (for example - carkilling you) I don't see a problem if you use /resetspawn so you can continue where you were interrupted, while admins will take care of rulebreaker.
On other hand, dying in RP (for example in shootout with criminals) and using /resetspawn so you could continue to shoot suspects is clear script / command abuse. Or for another example, as fireman if you climb some building like the one near Dukes PD and it is too boring for you to climb down - jumping to die then /resetspawn is clear script / command abuse.
I think this should be pretty obvious without pointing it out..
Sadly, it seems like it has to be pointed on some things. Regular players are like - "it's not written anywhere", "where does it says?", "you can't make new rules, I read forum"...
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what about when i crash with my bike / fall out of front window of car while driving ( in non rp situation) and die, is it ok to use /resetspawn ?
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what about when i crash with my bike / fall out of front window of car while driving ( in non rp situation) and die, is it ok to use /resetspawn ?
Not valid situation if you ask me.
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Is it wrong what I do ( like, always ), if I die in shootout, I do /resetspawn, take my cruiser, and get away from there?
Also I always say that I'm out ( from rp ).
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Dino kinda busy, didn't answer me.. so let's just finish it here as it kinda looks like a right place ;p
Can all of you guys please state all the differences between LCPD Officers and Freecops..
Like: Freecops can shoot on suspects after the suspect crashed and just returned back.. or freecops can pullover with only just siren warnings etc
And yeah, all of these, let's call it "hidden" rules should maybe be summed into one topic as well as the differences between freecops - officers
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Is it wrong what I do ( like, always ), if I die in shootout, I do /resetspawn, take my cruiser, and get away from there?
Also I always say that I'm out ( from rp ).
Yup, you are not supposed to do that anymore.
/resetspawn is a command that should be used when you are bugged or in some situation abused. When I say bugged - You /login and you are spawned in sea. Ofc you will use /resetspawn once you are TPed to land. Or, you crashed while being in heli and when you /login you spawn in air and you are dyeing over and over again, ofc you will use /resetspawn. Abused - when carkilled while roleplaying, if someone accidentally hits you while you are running down the streets, you are not allowed to use /resetspawn.
Common sense I would say.
Dino kinda busy, didn't answer me.. so let's just finish it here as it kinda looks like a right place ;p
Can all of you guys please state all the differences between LCPD Officers and Freecops..
Like: Freecops can shoot on suspects after the suspect crashed and just returned back.. or freecops can pullover with only just siren warnings etc
And yeah, all of these, let's call it "hidden" rules should maybe be summed into one topic as well as the differences between freecops - officers
There are no "hidden" rules. It's written pretty simple in rules - do NOT abuse scripts or commands. It is ridiculous to go and write every possible situation of script abusing in rules as prohibited.
Freecops - officers, There are no difference in rules there. Official LCPD officers should encouraging more RP as they are experienced players.
I don't know where did you heard that - freecops can use only sirens to pull over as most of new players are driving around the city with sirens on. It's stupid not to use /m1 /m2 /m3 as it makes job more easier and RP more real therefore enjoyable.
Bottom line, rules are the same but why joining LCPD if you are not interested into RP as police officer? Rank hunt?
This is my interpretation of the rules, I might be wrong with some parts of rules so it will be the best if you ask managers / community owners / server owners about some specific rule that you don't understand in total.
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This is my interpretation of the rules, I might be wrong with some parts of rules so it will be the best if you ask managers / community owners / server owners about some specific rule that you don't understand in total.
Sad thing is , there are different rules for each admin, for some people, it seems like it is a rulebreak, for some other it doesnt seem like it is a rulebreak.
This is why in real life, there are written laws... In ArgonathRPG servers, sadly Argonath Vision disables to set complex rules but this doesnt mean there are complex rules, there are but they are just not written to prevent confusion for new players, but this time players side remain defenceless or unaware of their rights... It is why, even if you deny "hidden rules' " existence, which there are(but just called like this cos not all are written), people will keep abusing it, with being aware or without being aware of them. It is why there must be a detailed rule list... But I know , there wont be, so people will become banned, or when you just ban some people, you ll never know if they for real constantly rulebroke or not.. - Personal Experience...
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We would need legislators for that, Talya. And lawyers instead of Admins..
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Dino kinda busy, didn't answer me.. so let's just finish it here as it kinda looks like a right place ;p
Can all of you guys please state all the differences between LCPD Officers and Freecops..
Like: Freecops can shoot on suspects after the suspect crashed and just returned back.. or freecops can pullover with only just siren warnings etc
And yeah, all of these, let's call it "hidden" rules should maybe be summed into one topic as well as the differences between freecops - officers
In SA:MP, one of the big problems was new player discrimination and attempts by regulars and "veterans" to segregate the new players instead of teaching them. I hope IV:MP players are not starting to lean towards that mindset.
Regardless of Argonath server, all rights accorded to players (apart from those mandated by position, such as LCPD command's right to revoke badges/ranks, or admins' rights to enforce order, authority given by script / HQ-enforced protocols, etc.) that follow our rules are the same:
2. Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another. (Source) (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=38482.0)
As for "hidden rules" (the term concerns me), there should be none. Players are bound by server rules, admin orders, and LCPD procedures, but there should be no "hidden rules" that can be whipped out to be used against them.
4. Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less.
As for admins "having different rules", all admins are given the freedom to use their judgment (which has to be trusted in order for them to be chosen as admins) when deciding on player cases, but they are governed by the same policy, despite the different tolerance levels / strictness of each admin.
Matters like these are not an issue of one server alone, as there are things set in Argonath that hold true for all servers. I could not help but worry after seeing the refusal of some regular players to teach unruly freecops to become better officers and supporting script restriction of them instead, something that was also common in SA:MP. SA:MP developers' solution was to remove all freecops and make every law enforcer an SAPD Officer (Senior Officer+ needs an interview/application however) after a simple police test, thus placing each and every law enforcer under the command of higher ranks.
Imposing unnecessary restrictions and discrimination may not be your intentions, but even so, that may be where you end up if you end up crossing the line at some point in the pursuit of order. Just a friendly reminder to prevent that from happening.
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don't grab that "hidden" like it's literally that.. I used that term because it is not stated anywhere and it's rather explained with some other, a bit more wider rule [ Like the ones for abuses of scripts and the specific abuse of i.e. /resetspawn ]
I don't know where did you heard that - freecops can use only sirens to pull over as most of new players are driving around the city with sirens on. It's stupid not to use /m1 /m2 /m3 as it makes job more easier and RP more real therefore enjoyable.
This is my interpretation of the rules, I might be wrong with some parts of rules so it will be the best if you ask managers / community owners / server owners about some specific rule that you don't understand in total.
Well I did ask managers.. and the first, most logical question was. What do you do when a police turn on it's sirens and drives behind your car?
I couldn't argue against that as the point is quite clear, no need for megaphone
As I said.. I didn't clarify all of it, all the differences I mean.. that is why I am asking from all of you to clear it up all once and for all ^^
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Another point... Half of admins say u need /m , half says u dont need /m ... and we re being "Huh?" XD
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Another point... Half of admins say u need /m , half says u dont need /m ... and we re being "Huh?" XD
ARPD Officers are not obligated to use megaphone when performing a traffic stop but sirens/lights are a must.
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http://wiki.argonathrpg.com/index.php/Argonath_Rules
And there is ----> *Abusing any script will result in punishment.
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ARPD Officers are not obligated to use megaphone when performing a traffic stop but sirens/lights are a must.
How civilians will know if a cop is after them or just try to pass through? :) If we stop for each siren on cop car, uhhhh from south to north of 1st island, 30 mins ? ^^
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How civilians will know if a cop is after them or just try to pass through? :) If we stop for each siren on cop car, uhhhh from south to north of 1st island, 30 mins ? ^^
Wait, seriously? When you see/hear vehicle with emergency lights behind you, lower the speed, move to the side of the road and let him pass. If Police Officers are after you, they will stay behind you right? If not, they will just pass you and be thankful you moved and didn't endanger yourself/officers/other people. It's so simple...
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Wait, seriously? When you see/hear vehicle with emergency lights behind you, lower the speed, move to the side of the road and let him pass. If Police Officers are after you, they will stay behind you right? If not, they will just pass you and be thankful you moved and didn't endanger yourself/officers/other people. It's so simple...
People doesnt have to stop when there is a siren on, they have to go right and open a fine way for the emergency vehicle to move on, while civilians have right to keep driving on other lanes than emergency vehicle is using.. >.<
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People doesnt have to stop when there is a siren on, they have to go right and open a fine way for the emergency vehicle to move on, while civilians have right to keep driving on other lanes than emergency vehicle is using.. >.<
Thats why , i think , freecops must use /M for pullover someone. I dont think that in real life police come behind you with sirens on and doesnt give a signal for stop. If i hear sirens , i reduce my speed and go on the side , as talya said , for make the emergency vehicle have enough space.
If i want to pullover someone , i give him a signal , in this case i use the megaphone.
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Thats why , i think , freecops must use /M for pullover someone. I dont think that in real life police come behind you with sirens on and doesnt give a signal for stop. If i hear sirens , i reduce my speed and go on the side , as talya said , for make the emergency vehicle have enough space.
If i want to pullover someone , i give him a signal , in this case i use the megaphone.
Yes, so if they aren't after you, they will proceed. If they are after you, they will stay behind you. That seems pretty clear.
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Yes, so if they aren't after you, they will proceed. If they are after you, they will stay behind you. That seems pretty clear.
The thing you say is clear, but the part of freecops and their non-understandable behaviors is not clear. ^^"
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Wait, seriously? When you see/hear vehicle with emergency lights behind you, lower the speed, move to the side of the road and let him pass. If Police Officers are after you, they will stay behind you right? If not, they will just pass you and be thankful you moved and didn't endanger yourself/officers/other people. It's so simple...
Agree with this +1
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A day , just cos of LCPD , I ll leave this server but... lets see when it will be... :neutral2:
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A day , just cos of LCPD , I ll leave this server but... lets see when it will be... :neutral2:
Come on now...
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Come on now...
When you give rights to newcomers this much, its returning as pain in the ass, I dont expect a ranked officer to understand me. :)
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When you give rights to newcomers this much, its returning as pain in the ass, I dont expect a ranked officer to understand me. :)
You also said if stats gets reset, you won't be playing IV MP anymore but here you are... :)
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You also said if stats gets reset, you won't be playing IV MP anymore but here you are... :)
I said I may leave it, never said %100 I would leave.. That one was Lazlow. ^^" Also the reason of it wasnt about my account, it was about all regulars of that time would leave... Well a big part of em left but we have new rpers, not much against rulebreakers but still enough >.< which was enough for me to stay.
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There are more things to be pointed out, people cares more about the money then about the roleplaying itself.
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People doesnt have to stop when there is a siren on, they have to go right and open a fine way for the emergency vehicle to move on, while civilians have right to keep driving on other lanes than emergency vehicle is using.. >.<
And failing to move over for an emergency vehicle is failing to yield, which is a valid reason for a traffic stop. If a player moves over for an emergency vehicle with lights on (cop car) and that vehicle stays behind you, then you should know to pull over and stop. When the cop car stops behind you and the officer gets out, then you know you are pulled over.
M1 is recommended but is not necessary or required, it never has been a requirement. Whoever started that as a "rule" was wrong. LCPD however have every right to impose their own restrictions for their own officers, if freecops wish to abide by those regulations they are welcome to.
Anyone thinking they are going to evade cops then complain to admins "he didn't use megaphone invalid invalid invalid, abuse abuse abuse" is mistaken. This is common sense, and I already discussed it with you Mihail, I don't know why you asked for clarification on this topic when it has already been clarified.
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If freecops arent forced to use it , I think LCPD confuses freecops then. I remember that alot of times , regular players and sometimes cadets or officers of LCPD told via radio to use /m1 for stop someone. If we arent forced , then we must tell them , go behind the guy you want to pullover with sirens ON , lights ON and if he doesnt stop try to use for one time /m1 , then if he doesnt stop , again, they have rights to use /su. *Edited this part
This is my idea obv.
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And failing to move over for an emergency vehicle is failing to yield, which is a valid reason for a traffic stop. If a player moves over for an emergency vehicle with lights on (cop car) and that vehicle stays behind you, then you should know to pull over and stop. When the cop car stops behind you and the officer gets out, then you know you are pulled over.
M1 is recommended but is not necessary or required, it never has been a requirement. Whoever started that as a "rule" was wrong. LCPD however have every right to impose their own restrictions for their own officers, if freecops wish to abide by those regulations they are welcome to.
Anyone thinking they are going to evade cops then complain to admins "he didn't use megaphone invalid invalid invalid, abuse abuse abuse" is mistaken. This is common sense, and I already discussed it with you Mihail, I don't know why you asked for clarification on this topic when it has already been clarified.
Sadly, no one is using that way because, till they do /speed id, you just go away from their range and then a cop tries to catch you though he is far away and "Not behind you" and still /sues you cos you refused to stop...
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Sadly, no one is using that way because, till they do /speed id, you just go away from their range and then a cop tries to catch you though he is far away and "Not behind you" and still /sues you cos you refused to stop...
sadly this is true i was one chased by a free cop from MGS to 3rd city car dealer, he came to me Sued me jacked and killed for evading that happened 15 minutes before that...
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sadly this is true i was one chased by a free cop from MGS to 3rd city car dealer, he came to me Sued me jacked and killed for evading that happened 15 minutes before that...
I really like the way only LCPD and FBI are against to this truth all the time. Point Of View, matters a lot :)
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I really like the way only LCPD and FBI are against to this truth all the time. Point Of View, matters a lot :)
Yea, only free cops are abusing :lol: Check unban section please, you may skip your own unban topics.
On other hand, no one is denying that they are not doing anything wrong, but they are punished same as other players for their abuses. And if you are abused there is one helpful command /report.
sadly this is true i was one chased by a free cop from MGS to 3rd city car dealer, he came to me Sued me jacked and killed for evading that happened 15 minutes before that...
If he had visual I don't see problems there. It's hard to type /su ID reason while you are going 150 km/h+ and stay within the /su range.
If not, /report.
What is your solution? You were new player, you were making mistakes also, right? Were you cut down for something? Nope.
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Yea, only free cops are abusing :lol: Check unban section please, you may skip your own unban topics.
On other hand, no one is denying that they are not doing anything wrong, but they are punished same as other players for their abuses. And if you are abused there is one helpful command /report.
If he had visual I don't see problems there. It's hard to type /su ID reason while you are going 150 km/h+ and stay within the /su range.
If not, /report.
What is your solution? You were new player, you were making mistakes also, right? Were you cut down for something? Nope.
Then punishments look like they re not enough, as I dont see "much" people who changed their behavior.
/report ? > Adminname(id): /gu and request investigation, report only works if /su is not a valid reason, though if its valid but not committed, u always have to request investigation, then you just get an investigation for hours and ehh, yea that was a nice rp, thanks for not letting me to do another rp which I planned and it was the best moment till u pulled over.
Its hardness does not concern citizens... Well organized cops could catch someone easily anyway.
New player doesnt mean problem... They gotta be warned to be passive before learning something.. or we, regulars pay it...
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A day , just cos of LCPD , I ll leave this server but...
AHAH!
Anyone thinking they are going to evade cops then complain to admins "he didn't use megaphone invalid invalid invalid, abuse abuse abuse" is mistaken. This is common sense, and I already discussed it with you Mihail, I don't know why you asked for clarification on this topic when it has already been clarified.
Anyone thinking they are going to evade cops then complain to admins "he didn't use megaphone invalid invalid invalid, abuse abuse abuse" is mistaken. This is common sense, and I already discussed it with you Mihail, I don't know why you asked for clarification on this topic when it has already been clarified.
Dino kinda busy, didn't answer me.. so let's just finish it here as it kinda looks like a right place ;p
Can all of you guys please state all the differences between LCPD Officers and Freecops..
Like: Freecops can shoot on suspects after the suspect crashed and just returned back.. or freecops can pullover with only just siren warnings etc
And yeah, all of these, let's call it "hidden" rules should maybe be summed into one topic as well as the differences between freecops - officers
So, it's not about that which we already made clear, it is about all the other things we didn't passed so far..
If you can and think it's a needed thing, please do make a list of all the differences between LCPD and Freecops and post it in this General section as a topic..
We, from LCPD will contact you if there is anything else that needs to be clarified or updated
That list should keep any future misunderstandings between those two close to null..
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A day , just cos of LCPD , I ll leave this server but...
AHAH!
Anyone thinking they are going to evade cops then complain to admins "he didn't use megaphone invalid invalid invalid, abuse abuse abuse" is mistaken. This is common sense, and I already discussed it with you Mihail, I don't know why you asked for clarification on this topic when it has already been clarified.
I didnt even refuse to pullover a single time which was exact by the cops who clearly makes a pullover but eh, people still keep quoting and quoting so...
That is all, I wont try to tell something to these ignorant players anymore, do what you want , as long as you dont attempt to abuse my rights. ^^"
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AHAH!
So, it's not about that which we already made clear, it is about all the other things we didn't passed so far..
If you can and think it's a needed thing, please do make a list of all the differences between LCPD and Freecops and post it in this General section as a topic..
We, from LCPD will contact you if there is anything else that needs to be clarified or updated
That list should keep any future misunderstandings between those two close to null..
This is something for your chief to do on your own groups forum.
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he can not do it without you if I am correct?
And as the cheif is kinda busy with his life atm, we took on that to solve the issue
We would appreciate if you could help a bit..