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Title: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manas on March 02, 2014, 06:03:32 pm
Well, to notify at first, this is not any group based or family based topic.

Its great to have RS5 with us and its also sad that it has bugs to be resolved.
Scripters and developers and taking care of it anyway and the community is also helping by reporting the bugs.

The problem arises here - The Economy Point

It was good that the loan system was released and most of us paid 40% down-payment to buy businesses and houses in the cities.
The problem is with businesses, the way of scripting is pretty awesome like
When you buy a bizz, your stock is kept "0"
Then you order a restock of your business and the truckers available do /orderlist and transport the goods to businesses and we can restock them .
And the profit earned is sent to your bank account after payment of taxes.

The script is perfect.
But there is a small bug in it currently. you can order a restock but that never appears to truckers in their /orderlist

This leads to "0" Stocks and subsequently there is no profit.
But how to repay our loans in 60 days, we had taken loans keeping in mind that the businesses will earn much and will help repay loans to a larger extent. But the only possible way to repay such big/small loans in 2 month time is only doing fireman job extensively.

I hope that the HQ looks into this grave problem and help us back.

Please Note-
-This Bug was reported. but as its taking time to be resolved, i humbly request a grace time of a month or few weeks more to repay our loans or that the bug is resolved soon.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Slavik on March 02, 2014, 06:40:54 pm
You could have posted this in this section (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?board=295.0)
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: JDC on March 02, 2014, 07:27:40 pm
"Partiality" implies that the script is biased or made in favor of a particular individual, entity, or faction. Therefore it would be misleading to use it in the title.

Aside from using a more accurate title next time, please use the correct topic/s as there really is no partiality issue at hand, just some bugs.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Stivi on March 02, 2014, 08:15:10 pm
The system is being looked on, read more.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: CharlieKasper on March 02, 2014, 08:48:21 pm
How is this partiality?
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manas on March 03, 2014, 08:29:06 am
Why isn't it? It is a clear partiality as the the government gives loans to buy business and at the same time does not let us do business and earn . At the peak, it adds a interest too . :mad:

"Partiality" implies that the script is biased or made in favor of a particular individual, entity, or faction. Therefore

If you can't help with the topic except it's name please, exit this topic, we don't require SADISTS here.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manoni on March 03, 2014, 09:23:20 am
If you can't help with the topic except it's name please, exit this topic, we don't require SADISTS here.

He just advised you to explain the proper subject of your topic to not cause misunderstadings.
Not mattering the fact that you also putted this in the wrong section, either get a better attitude because what JDC said has no sadism at all. If is that the way you are replying and suggesting to others don't expect comments nicer than yours.

Your topic only points what is already known. It'll be fixed sooner or later and i really hope you realize that this is not going to rush the progress.

PS: There is no partiality as no one is getting benefits for it.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manas on March 03, 2014, 09:34:02 am

PS: There is no partiality as no one is getting benefits for it.

Sure, but the loan time is running out and we need to payback soon or lose properties. We are sure to wait the community must help us in that by providing grace time or just shut their sayings like "We expect the players to contribute".
Coming to the matter of JDC, as far as i observed he wants to do nothing with the matter rather criticizing, so i call him a SADIST. Well, you say i post in wrong section?  Lol, i wanted to express the pros and cons and the issues of business sector. And this bug was reported like 20+ days back in Bug Reports. I don't find any progress but i do find progress in INTEREST that is being added to our loans.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manoni on March 03, 2014, 09:44:24 am
Nobody forced you to took a loan without having a complete and stable economy system. You made the choice so don't blame the developers for not being working 24/7, face the consequences and work for it if you are really so worried.

JDC has been doing far more than you criticizing for not being able to fill your pockets with money.
Read more and get proper facts not vague words.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: eymas on March 03, 2014, 09:46:46 am
What I wonder is if people are getting warned about the nature of loans:

"Loaning comes with a cost"

It's a bit of a friendly warning, and it shows that taking loans is a risky operation; You must be able to repay it, failure to do so and you will have to give up.
Unfortunately that's how things are; Quite cruel...
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manoni on March 03, 2014, 09:51:31 am
What I wonder is if people are getting warned about the nature of loans

There's a big message that explains you carefully everything about the loan, even it asks you for a confirmation making you type the command again. Everytime you check the status of your loan it shows you very well detailed how much you have to pay, how much is the interest of each week, how much time left you have and what happens if you don't pay.
The economy neither the loan system has the fault, as they decided to take it without being well informed of what they were gonna get, this is what the being hunger for assets causes.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: eymas on March 03, 2014, 09:54:35 am
Indeed. It's an investment that requires investigation.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manoni on March 03, 2014, 09:58:38 am
Indeed. It's an investment that requires investigation.

Long research indeed. Now once Manas is done looking at my profile, I'll like to remark that having such share of arguments through forums as we previously have seen, is not doing a bigger difference that being in game, trying to solve this type of problems ourselves.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: BarelyVisible on March 03, 2014, 10:36:24 am
Sure, but the loan time is running out and we need to payback soon or lose properties. We are sure to wait the community must help us in that by providing grace time or just shut their sayings like "We expect the players to contribute".
Coming to the matter of JDC, as far as i observed he wants to do nothing with the matter rather criticizing, so i call him a SADIST. Well, you say i post in wrong section?  Lol, i wanted to express the pros and cons and the issues of business sector. And this bug was reported like 20+ days back in Bug Reports. I don't find any progress but i do find progress in INTEREST that is being added to our loans.
I generally stay out of these kinds of mudslinging sessions, but seriously dude what did you aim to achieve with this comment?

A Sadist is person who derives enjoy from inflicting pain or misery on others, I have yet to see you present credible evidence to suggest JDC falls into that category.
If I were you I'd be offering JDC an apology for what is clearly an attempt at character assassination.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: JDC on March 03, 2014, 12:05:56 pm
If you can't help with the topic except it's name please, exit this topic, we don't require SADISTS here.

If having common sense and actually knowing what a word means is sadism, then I guess I am one hell of a sadist. If you can't handle criticism at all, then don't post accusations.

Learn the real meaning of "partiality" before you accuse developers of being biased simply because some people do not have the common sense to evaluate whether or not they are in a financially favorable position to take an expensive loan while they have little actual money.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Devin on March 03, 2014, 12:29:24 pm
Look at it this way, at least we are giving you an idea of how easy it is to mess yourself up financially with the help of loans.
See it as a life lesson when it comes to taking out massive loans that logically you will barely manage to say back.

Further development of the scripts are ongoing as we speak.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Mr. Goobii on March 03, 2014, 12:48:39 pm
The current loan system do have a interest rate on 6 percent per week. That means 24 percent each month. With other means, it have higher percent rate that was even allowed for loaning companies in RS4. Svensson Bank had 20 percent / Month and it was the maximum amount we could desire.  :lol:
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Harry on March 03, 2014, 04:06:26 pm
We expected to withdraw profit made by the business, we brought ourselves in debt because /help has lack of information.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manoni on March 03, 2014, 04:11:41 pm
We expected to withdraw profit made by the business, we brought ourselves in debt because /help has lack of information.

As far as i know help brings information about each part of the script in general, not about bugs and what is active and what not.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Harry on March 03, 2014, 04:30:31 pm
As far as i know help brings information about each part of the script in general, not about bugs and what is active and what not.

No problem. But it hasn't been announced in any topic.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Exterminator on March 03, 2014, 04:40:38 pm
No problem. But it hasn't been announced in any topic.

You were taking out a massive loan that could potentially cost you a lot of money, not to mention putting down 40%+ of your own money beforehand.
And you're saying that you still couldn't bother to do a five minute research on whether it's a good investment?  :app:
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Harry on March 03, 2014, 04:54:50 pm
You were taking out a massive loan that could potentially cost you a lot of money, not to mention putting down 40%+ of your own money beforehand.
And you're saying that you still couldn't bother to do a five minute research on whether it's a good investment?  :app:

I believe you gave me the 40 percent, and you should pay off my interest. I believe we just passed the three weeks.

We've met eachother three á four times in-game now, and I still own the ammunation.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manas on March 03, 2014, 07:20:48 pm
Look at it this way, at least we are giving you an idea of how easy it is to mess yourself up financially with the help of loans.
See it as a life lesson when it comes to taking out massive loans that l

Yes, we are indeed here to take life lessons from bugs created by faults in rs5. So should i do missions to pay back loan?
Should i not be encouraged for team working?
Should i be all the day a fireman?
Well we helped the community by giving dedication and reporting the bugs.
So isnt it a moral duty of community to help us back in this struggle?
Cant you provide us grace time?
Cant you remove our interests?

 To all those who tell to think before buying a bizz-
Isnt it the same thing like a man before having sex must fear of a diseased or any possible disabled child?
 Do you expect an owner of a bizz to be a fireman all day working hard to payback a loan whereas he has a readymade bizz that will earn him enough in 60 days to pay back?
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manoni on March 03, 2014, 08:32:07 pm
Life lessons? Sorry but i don't understand how the bugs of RS5 are affecting my or your life in a physical or psychological way so I'm not replying to that point.

You can encourage teamwork on whatever you want to do, but i don't see how team work is related to this problem. If you want to start to gain a financial resource from an uncompleted economy system then yes, you should be fireman all day like all the others that are working hard to pay their debts instead of complaining about the fact that money is not falling off the skies.

A moral duty from the community to get an extra help or a compensation for your mistakes self caused by your ignorance towards the current status of the script? You, me and many others also reported bugs and none of us are expecting a different treatment for that. We do it for the community, for supporting, to help the development team without expecting any reward as they never really expected nothing from us. If you really thought that you were getting something exchange what you were doing then thank you but we don't need that kind of "help". On the other hand if you are really so worried about your interests just contact a scripter about your own problems and don't make a scandal about something that it's already being worked on.

Your metaphor it's completely out of context. You had the chance to known what it was going to come using a loan and buying a business with a little bit of research and usage of common sense.

You are just making struggles for this because you now have seen that you will get afected sooner or later only because you were so rushed of getting something before others; I don't really need to say this again but just for you, i will. Assets are nothing, they don't represent nothing important on a roleplay server, you won't be recognized for how much you have, you get recognized for how much you have made as a person, as a roleplayer, as a member of this community.

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Stop thinking for yourself and those around you for a second and think for the community in general.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Devin on March 03, 2014, 08:43:42 pm
Yes, we are indeed here to take life lessons from bugs created by faults in rs5. So should i do missions to pay back loan?
Should i not be encouraged for team working?
Should i be all the day a fireman?
Well we helped the community by giving dedication and reporting the bugs.
So isnt it a moral duty of community to help us back in this struggle?
Cant you provide us grace time?
Cant you remove our interests?

You shouldn't take loans without weighing out the consequences of having to pay it back, money isn't free just as loans aren't for free.
How shall I help you? Am I supposed to pay back the loan you took to buy the properties?
Grace period? Not going to happen, I am not a scripter nor did I make the loan system. It was stated that there is no grace period for loans.
Loans interest will not be removed either, you took the loan all by yourself. We did not force players to take loans to purchase properties before they had an income method.

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103964

FAQ
I took out a loan and I no longer need it. What do I do?
There is no grace period, so be very careful. You will have to pay back the loan in addition to one week's interest if you pay it back within 7 days.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manas on March 04, 2014, 08:28:49 am
Well then i wouldn't have asked any grace period or any type of concession if the business system would be working. Why does the community release scripts or economy system before testing it properly? Bugs happen, and at the first day of release of economy system like 20 serious bugs were reported, why wasn't the economy system again disabled so that it could have a proper release again?

--I ain't debating here but i deserve the right to ask to scripters/developers.
I am not pleading for grace time, i am saying the whole business system is f**ked up and we ain't earning any shit so how would the scripters expect us to pay back shit in 60 days + interest added?
 

Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: BarelyVisible on March 04, 2014, 09:10:30 am
I am not pleading for grace time, i am saying the whole business system is f**ked up and we ain't earning any shit so how would the scripters expect us to pay back shit in 60 days + interest added?

They wouldn't. Instead they would expect you to exercise common sense by not taking out loans when you have insufficient income to pay off such a debt.

In the future one of these might come in handy.

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Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: eymas on March 04, 2014, 09:15:33 am

It's not their fault.
It's yours.
By taking a loan you have been warned about the risks; that theres no profit lays in the state of the economy as it is, players are set on saving money and will only spend when required.

Taking a loan requires you to know about actions for backing up, so that you can recover from the debt.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: JDC on March 04, 2014, 09:53:45 am
The problem here is that you're expecting the developers to spoon-feed you and give you a way (loans that you do not have to worry about) to get rich quick with minimum effort. Sorry, but that is not how it works.

So yes, the trouble you got into from your debts is your fault.

P.S: RS5 had a lot of bugs upon release for a reason that circumstances were beyond the SA:MP developers, so stop finding additional ways to blame them for your shortcomings.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Mark_C on March 04, 2014, 10:59:50 am
R.I.P SAMP
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manas on March 04, 2014, 11:29:00 am
It's not their fault.
It's yours.
By taking a loan you have been warned about the risks; that theres no profit lays in the state of the economy as it is, players are set on saving money and will only spend when required.

Taking a loan requires you to know about actions for backing up, so that you can recover from the debt.

What was i warned of? Was i warned that business system is ain't working due to circumstances?. For your info, Its totally the scripter's fault to notify us later like after the bug was reported, till then we had taken our loans.

And what do you speak of players not buying commodities? Well they are indeed buying but from state and from our same stores, not from a city hall. Dude, please i urge you to read the whole business script manual if available  :gand:
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Devin on March 04, 2014, 11:32:39 am
What was i warned of? Was i warned that business system is ain't working due to circumstances?. For your info, Its totally the scripter's fault to notify us later like after the bug was reported, till then we had taken our loans.

And what do you speak of players not buying commodities? Well they are indeed buying but from state and from our same stores, not from a city hall. Dude, please i urge you to read the whole business script manual if available  :gand:

How do you expect scripters to warn you about a bug before it has been reported?
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manas on March 04, 2014, 11:36:14 am
How do you expect scripters to warn you about a bug before it has been reported?

Thats the point devin, we[business community] can understand Scripter's hard work and that they would require time. So why can't they understand us by providing a concession? How could you expect us to pay off the loan by other meager sources of income when our Main source is Closed?
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: AK47 on March 04, 2014, 11:43:20 am
I have sucessfully paid of my loan by working as a fireman. And if you would have been smart enough when they announced that RS5 would be buggy you would have done some research in the subject.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manas on March 04, 2014, 11:51:15 am
I have sucessfully paid of my loan by working as a fireman. And if you would have been smart enough when they announced that RS5 would be buggy you would have done some research in the subject.

They removed the /loan and /purchase first and said it was buggy. Later, they released it and told it was now fixed. Man, i am not God to predict future.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: AK47 on March 04, 2014, 11:55:42 am
They removed the /loan and /purchase first and said it was buggy. Later, they released it and told it was now fixed. Man, i am not God to predict future.

But you have a brain if I'm correct. So as I said, I'd done some research on the matter. :)
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manas on March 04, 2014, 11:57:23 am
But you have a brain if I'm correct. So as I said, I'd done some research on the matter. :)

Well you're right, research was required rather than believing this RS5.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: eymas on March 04, 2014, 12:09:23 pm
So I would assume you would properly research the pros and cons of taking a loan the next time  ;)

That's what I was trying to say with the warning; "Loaning comes with a cost."
As the loan script also warns you when taking a loan.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manas on March 04, 2014, 12:12:16 pm
Well now provide a concession to us as we bore the unjust costs enough due to this bugs and can't bear anymore.  :janek:
I am not saying to write off our loans, well a concession would help us a lot to tackle this RS5 bugs.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: BarelyVisible on March 04, 2014, 01:15:13 pm
Well now provide a concession to us as we bore the unjust costs enough due to this bugs and can't bear anymore.  :janek:
I am not saying to write off our loans, well a concession would help us a lot to tackle this RS5 bugs.

Or you could exit the loan, cut your losses and chalk it all up to experience.  :gand:
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manas on March 04, 2014, 01:19:31 pm
 :balance:
Or you could exit the loan, cut your losses and chalk it all up to experience.  :gand:
This would be a nightmare.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Stivi on March 04, 2014, 01:25:59 pm
The current loan system do have a interest rate on 6 percent per week. That means 24 percent each month. With other means, it have higher percent rate that was even allowed for loaning companies in RS4. Svensson Bank had 20 percent / Month and it was the maximum amount we could desire.  :lol:
This.



Quote
VIII.

Loaning

With regard to giving loans, the lender must have a date and exact time for log check. The exact time can be found by using /time at the time of giving the loan. The Courts will not entertain any case without this information (even if you have a screenshot).


Special note: Take all precautions before giving a loan. If the Court believes that the lender has not taken precaution and has given the loan being rash and negligent, the Courts may not entertain the case. Precautions to be taken include - knowing the player(check the date of registration, 1.5 - 2 months is good enough to know the player), ensuring past history of the borrower's loans(enquire with other people/check Court cases[both closed and active topics] to see if he has paid his loans to them) and such other measures such as checking if person own a house, a business or a car.

Loans out of proportion or with extreme rates will not be accepted by the state. (Over 350k or with interest superior to 20 percent will be rejected unless made by affidavit)
If a default of payment appears and money can be taken back from the defendant, it will be fully done.
If a default of payment occurs and money cannot be taken back, only the amount of the loan will be repaid and this is only if judged acceptable. The court reserves itself the right to deny payment. The court reserve itself the right to abatement.
According to the statement above, the loan's interest rate must not exceed 20 percent. In this case, it has. Loans taken from Argonath Bank so far should be not taken into consideration and a new interest rate must be found. An abatement would be preferred as well.


Win.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: BarelyVisible on March 04, 2014, 01:47:28 pm
:balance:This would be a nightmare.

No it would be a setback, that's how business ventures work. You win some, you lose some.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Manas on March 04, 2014, 05:38:45 pm
No it would be a setback, that's how business ventures work. You win some, you lose some.

Sure, and this is all due to a bug not created by us. Thats not related to Business RP world and can you please elaborate how's winning/losing some compared to bugs in server?

Supported, Stivi.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Exterminator on March 04, 2014, 05:48:56 pm
Now stivi's got my curiosity..

Slightly offtopic, but perhaps the players can sue the Argobank   :rolleyes:

Should be noted that in case we do this, we do it just for fun. There should be no expectation of any rewards and/or settlements but if it goes well, you guys might just get something for the loan after all.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Leon. on March 04, 2014, 06:17:33 pm
The posts in this topic show me where everyone's priorities are - in all the right places...
OP brings a legitimate point that shouldn't just be beat around just because of a fucking topic name.

Anyway, loans so far just seem to be an effective way of screwing over hopeful business owners. There simply aren't enough players to create profit for business at all. Some accommodations need to be made for the small playerbase, seeing as the script is based around a self-efficient and larger player base.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: CharlieKasper on March 04, 2014, 08:35:05 pm
They removed the /loan and /purchase first and said it was buggy. Later, they released it and told it was now fixed. Man, i am not God to predict future.

One can take a loan and can repay it. It's fixed.

What you're complaining is that the delivery system is bugged, and delivery system=/=loan system. You can still pay back your loan by doing what you usually do - extinguish fire as a fireman.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: JDC on March 04, 2014, 09:11:04 pm
Business owners would be screwed over by loans only if they take an expensive loan without the means of paying it back. It is no longer developers' responsibility; Devin and Jones are doing what they can to fix things, and players should know better than to jump into a hole or cross the ocean without a plan or means of getting back if they run into trouble.

Debunking the topic's core premise, what people need to keep in mind is that if you are not prepared enough, then you should be ready to deal with the consequences of taking a loan when your own capacity to manage things is lacking.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Pandalink on March 04, 2014, 10:22:54 pm
Why is everyone berating this guy? He took out a loan for a business which doesn't fucking work and everyone is against him?

So yes, the trouble you got into from your debts is your fault.
How do you know he didn't do a cashflow or budget? There was no way to know that the script was so inherently broken.

Or you could exit the loan, cut your losses and chalk it all up to experience.  :gand:
Chalk it up to.. what experience exactly? That the RS5 script is broken and not to be trusted? That's all he can gather from this.

Business owners would be screwed over by loans only if they take an expensive loan without the means of paying it back. It is no longer developers' responsibility;
This is literally incorrect. It is totally the developer's responsibility to develop the script, and his financial concerns are caused by a script bug.


Seriously, the fact that you all band together to berate this guy just to defend RS5 is astounding. That is, unless you didn't read the OP, which most of you clearly didn't. Go back and read it, including you JDC.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Leon. on March 05, 2014, 12:00:46 am
Agreed with Panda.

There just seems to be a party of "RS5 Radicals" that sets out to berate every single member of the Argonath community that brings up an issue usually regarding a flaw with the not-quite-complete RS5 script (or whatever else you want to call it - bugged, incomplete, flawed, don't argue about this please because it's not the point) that they find dissatisfying. Clearly, the script should be satisfying to an overwhelming majority of the playerbase, otherwise you wouldn't have happy players that would just keep posting criticism/complaints on the forums... oh wait, that sounds familiar!

This post is not to speak of my opinions regarding RS5, of course.
Title: Re: Partiality of RS5 - Part 2
Post by: Stivi on March 05, 2014, 02:54:05 pm
Now stivi's got my curiosity..

Slightly offtopic, but perhaps the players can sue the Argobank   :rolleyes:

Should be noted that in case we do this, we do it just for fun. There should be no expectation of any rewards and/or settlements but if it goes well, you guys might just get something for the loan after all.
Yes, we can sue ArgoBank. However, for fun or no, the script will take our money. The script doesn't have a valid contract, that's why I never supported script-running banks. We can request the property to be under our ownership and we would pay the loan on the correct interest rate, in a period of time set by the court.

Would be appreciated if a developer gives his input on the interest rate.
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