If people hated Argonath that much, they wouldn't still be here 5 years later trying to fix what's wrong.
Cheers.
#1 - Skip the ignorance (Que)
This is the most important point. Skip the ignorance. Quit disrespecting the scripters. Quit being a stubborn child because you lost your assets in game. Show some respect and keep your head up high. Argonath's positiveness is drowning, and YOU are letting it happen with the piss of yours. We all choosed to play on Argonath to have fun, not for people to harass or disrespect one another.
Also comments like:
"Why aren't you contributing instead of moaning?"
"If you don't like it here, then leave."
"If you got a complain, use [email protected]"
People should not leave. Every player here should be here. There will always be a bunch of nutshells, but we're speaking in general. Do not use such arguments. Them, if any, are not contributing. Keep up the positive tone. Work for a better community. People will always have different opinions, hence it is even more important to listen to them. Not all, not always, but still - keep it positive and be open minded. And lastly: If people hated Argonath that much, they wouldn't still be here 5 years later trying to fix what's wrong. Keep that in mind Argonathians.
Great ideas by great people.
Good reading.
ignorant the admin team/devs/hq or whatever you want to call it have become.Why you say that?
Honest topic, speaks out for many of the Argonath veterans.
Why you say that?
Also comments like:
"Why aren't you contributing instead of moaning?"
"If you don't like it here, then leave."
"If you got a complain, use [email protected]"
I agree for the most part (and am in fact willing to help out with some aspects, as Vince has personally seen), with some exceptions such as this:
To say that these are "ignorant" or "completely unaccepting of criticism" is an over-simplistic way of analyzing things that distances us from what the real context of some cases may be.
"Why aren't you contributing instead of moaning?"
- I stand by this comment, actually. Look around you, the community is in need of rebuilding from all sides: players, admins, and developers/HQ. The statement is directed at moaners in order to make them think (or at least, give them a chance to think) on their actions; that rolling up your sleeves and getting to work in order to make things better will actually benefit Argonath, instead of moaning uselessly or parroting statements such as "RS5 is dead, SA:MP is dying, and you will fail!".
Why? It is de-moralizing and de-motivating for players who actually want to help rebuild when people keep going around and repeating negative thoughts that only discourage them from helping the community get back up. Put yourself in the shoes of the average player who wants to help rebuild (though you probably already are there) and see how it becomes harder to rebuild when you have these whining kids trying to impress on you the idea that you have already failed even before you started. The difference between "the community has fallen" and "how can we help it get back up?" is that while both are true, the second is aimed at reaching a SOLUTION.
"If you got a complain, use [email protected]"
- This is also a legitimate statement. Why? Complaint emails were created so that reports against admins can be settled without creating a lot of moaning. Most of you here know how this board has seen a shitload of moan topics in the past, and that we have/had players who report admins with the intention of causing a dramathon rather than making sure that the admin will not repeat his/her mistakes and perform better in helping our community's players.
Admins are not perfect and some will need a little push (read: reprimand/lessons) in order to be able to perform better, but some players cannot accept that fact (or simply want to whine because they got punished) and want to cause a spectacle where the goal is to destroy the admin('s character) and/or moan, rather than giving constructive criticism and helping correct the admin's mistakes. You've seen from the countless anti-admin moan topics and Let's Get Real topics how people love to create a circus, and the complaint emails help avoid just that.
"If you don't like it here, then leave."
- This one, on the other hand, is overused, especially if it is applied to any form of criticism directed at this community. Accepting constructive criticism (emphasis on "CONSTRUCTIVE") is key to having a healthy administration (in fact, this holds true for ALL sides to an extent) that can correct its mistakes and improve each performance; even a diamond has to be cut plenty of times before it can reflect light in its perfect and beautiful manner.
However, it should be kept in place for the immature who wish to do nothing but disrespect our players/admins/HQ and grief everyone else, those who keep sticking around to attack the server so as to rob us of our much-wanted playing/relaxing time, those who harass us by spreading our RL information, and other such assholes. (sorry, not sorry) In case of those who are just discontent with the actions of an admin/s, they should try and reach a constructive solution instead of pointing fingers and yelling "ignorant". After all, when an admin fixes his/her mistakes and performs even better, everyone benefits. (except the banned people who have no intention of letting us play peacefully)
I hope you include clarifications such as the ones above in order to avoid an over-simplistic (and resultantly, flawed) portrayal of the three statements.
Before anyone asks what I am doing to help improve Argonath, look at the topic in my signature.
I am not bragging, but rather showing that I am trying to help by contributing in my own way. I encourage you to do the same, to find out what you are best at and use it to help this community. The more people working together to help, the faster we can rebuild.
The action will not stop at talking and agreeing; you have to get to work too. Now let's do that, shall we?
Why you say that?
This topic was made in combination with mainly Que(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l625/mumutti/Stuff/kek.png)
It is fairly obvious to how the community reacted to the RS4 to RS5 transition. Despite the 'verbal' opinions being thrown around, Frank Hawk's topic which included a poll suggested that the majority of the players want RS4 back. So already you have the reactions and the statistics and yet again the ''team'' believe they are still correct with the transition. There is the ignorance.
If you want to remove RS5 from the equation then I can easily say that admins often set their own rules when it comes to punishing players, too trigger happy. What's funny is that the admins actually use the banana command to indicate that their decision was correct. Why cant you all be like Dellstorm? Shake my head..
So already you have the reactions and the statistics and yet again the ''team'' believe they are still correct with the transition. There is the ignorance.The changes have to be made sooner or later.
If you want to remove RS5 from the equation then I can easily say that admins often set their own rules when it comes to punishing players, too trigger happy. What's funny is that the admins actually use the banana command to indicate that their decision was correct. Why cant you all be like Dellstorm? Shake my head..As for this, if you think that admins abuse their power, please do report them.
(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l625/mumutti/Stopped-reading-there.jpg~original)Hey, Umuthan. Long time since. :)
The majority of players who voted in the poll do not always make the best decisions. Look at the past Oscars, where cheating escalated year by year to the point where the 2012 Oscars were voided.
I won't be surprised if you're someone who gets punished by admins a lot.
Admins who abuse their powers are secretly warned (not made public so as not to try and satisfy anti-admin player's egos, or engage in public shaming) or removed after valid complaints are sent. If you want more admins who conform to the ideal you possess of someone being kind and having patience that players can abuse and exploit, then you're just asking for a weaker community. In fact, admins need to be more strict.
Cheating for the Oscars is pretty much banter whereas f**king around with a game mode which affected the community is not banter.
Surprisingly enough, I only seem to get admin punishments in Argonath RPG. Admins need to be more strict? Fuck off, its already enough they are making rules on the spot. '/p chat talking about football'
''REDNAME: GUYS STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL''. Is there a rule that we cant talk on /p?
I actually have a great time with Dellstorm, I do not ''exploit'' him at all. He is the fairest admin within the community. Weaker community? No, its just a matter of recruiting players which have the 'firm but fair' trait.
Also comments like:
"Why aren't you contributing instead of moaning?"
"If you don't like it here, then leave."
"If you got a complain, use [email protected]"
People should not leave. Every player here should be here. There will always be a bunch of nutshells, but we're speaking in general. Do not use such arguments. Them, if any, are not contributing. Keep up the positive tone. Work for a better community. People will always have different opinions, hence it is even more important to listen to them. Not all, not always, but still - keep it positive and be open minded. And lastly: If people hated Argonath that much, they wouldn't still be here 5 years later trying to fix what's wrong. Keep that in mind Argonathians.
Cheating for the Oscars is pretty much banter whereas f**king around with a game mode which affected the community is not banter.
Surprisingly enough, I only seem to get admin punishments in Argonath RPG. Admins need to be more strict? Fuck off, its already enough they are making rules on the spot. '/p chat talking about football'
''REDNAME: GUYS STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL''. Is there a rule that we cant talk on /p?
I actually have a great time with Dellstorm, I do not ''exploit'' him at all. He is the fairest admin within the community. Weaker community? No, its just a matter of recruiting players which have the 'firm but fair' trait.
Couldn't agree more with #1, I see more insults from ateam than from players, the way they say "leave if you don't like, leave" is equal to GTFO.
Can't agree more with you.
With this too lol:Couldn't agree more with #1, I see more insults from ateam than from players, the way they say "leave if you don't like, leave" is equal to GTFO.
does that guy have tourette syndrome, all I heard about him was that he just insulted people and banned them.
I could go along Aragorns route and simply say: Fuck off you ungrateful twat.
does that guy have tourette syndrome, all I heard about him was that he just insulted people and banned them.
In behalf of all loyal Argonath veterans, I will state that the first letter of your name should have been an "R". Maybe you should change it that way, it suits you more.try harder
I check them at least twice a day and deal with them on the day I receive them.Not true. Two in the same day, none dealt with.
Just get some money rolling ingame and the server will slowly rise again. As much as it's up to the players to work as fireman to get money, it's also up to admin team to organize events with prizes, paydays etc. to get started.Most of the people have loans. As soon as they pay them they will have to work again.
I've been ingame much lately and I have seen some positive things going on with a couple events and paydays. I think it can get even better though.
Not true. Two in the same day, none dealt with.
I do agree on the point that people who actually roleplay should get rewarded.
I do agree on the point that people who actually roleplay should get rewarded.
Fortunately groups that are able to hold their own are awarded in certain ways: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103851.0Good topic. Does it include giving out objects, such as boxing rings, a couple of benches and so on as well? Or is it only aimed for buildings and HQs? I don't see how a HQ would benefit a street gang for example.
Good topic. Does it include giving out objects, such as boxing rings, a couple of benches and so on as well? Or is it only aimed for buildings and HQs? I don't see how a HQ would benefit a street gang for example.
I am sure we could work something out because of course, a gang doesn't really need a massive HQ but could make use of other items like that.Yeah, it is pretty simple really. I remember we always wanted a BBQ-place (a grill, couple of benches and a boxing ring) in El Corona when we were active at most. It isn't much of a job, but yet getting multiple players to enjoy the game even more. So if we could work something out - that's an enormous step against something better. For sure.
Fortunately groups that are able to hold their own are awarded in certain ways: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=103851.0