Chapter one - The Veterans Edition

[eymas]

Well done.

[Stivi]

 

Well done.

[Whiteman]

Good reading.

[Vince]

I see a lot of responses, which is good... but please instead of just saying "good job" try and contribute to the discussion.

Tell us what YOU think can be done to help get the community back to what it once was... what the issues are, and what you think we can do together to solve them issues...

[Kaze]

Interesting topic, I am happy to see that some players are trying to make the best out of a shitty situation.

I stopped playing here not only because of the RS4 > RS5 transition but how ignorant the admin team/devs/hq or whatever you want to call it have become. However, I wont turn this into a negative topic.

Heres to a dramatic turnaround for Argonath RPG. 

[Slavik]

ignorant the admin team/devs/hq or whatever you want to call it have become.

Why you say that?

[Stivi]

I agree with #3, but not only to deathmatchers. The a-team should be more strict in general.

Example:

Refusing to RP is not allowed, yet admins don't enforce people to RP if they don't want to.

[Astaroth]

Honest topic, speaks out for many of the Argonath veterans.

[Vince]

Why you say that?

I think he may be referring to everyone kind of trying to ignore that there are many issues on server... the whole "if you don't like it, GTFO!!!" attitude instead of trying to help fix things...

It is okay to realize there is a problem. Once you realize there are issues, you can start to work towards solutions!

[.James]

I hope you guys really improve Argonath, guys, and make it stand again.

Sadly, I got nothing to do rightnow, I'm inactive. 



 

[JDC]

I agree for the most part (and am in fact willing to help out with some aspects, as Vince has personally seen), with some exceptions such as this:

Also comments like:
"Why aren't you contributing instead of moaning?"
"If you don't like it here, then leave."
"If you got a complain, use [email protected]"

To say that these are "ignorant" or "completely unaccepting of criticism" is an over-simplistic way of analyzing things that distances us from what the real context of some cases may be.

"Why aren't you contributing instead of moaning?"
- I stand by this comment, actually. Look around you, the community is in need of rebuilding from all sides: players, admins, and developers/HQ. The statement is directed at moaners in order to make them think (or at least, give them a chance to think) on their actions; that rolling up your sleeves and getting to work in order to make things better will actually benefit Argonath, instead of moaning uselessly or parroting statements such as "RS5 is dead, SA:MP is dying, and you will fail!".

Why? It is de-moralizing and de-motivating for players who actually want to help rebuild when people keep going around and repeating negative thoughts that only discourage them from helping the community get back up. Put yourself in the shoes of the average player who wants to help rebuild (though you probably already are there) and see how it becomes harder to rebuild when you have these whining kids trying to impress on you the idea that you have already failed even before you started. The difference between "the community has fallen" and "how can we help it get back up?" is that while both are true, the second is aimed at reaching a SOLUTION.

"If you got a complain, use [email protected]"
- This is also a legitimate statement. Why? Complaint emails were created so that reports against admins can be settled without creating a lot of moaning. Most of you here know how this board has seen a shitload of moan topics in the past, and that we have/had players who report admins with the intention of causing a dramathon rather than making sure that the admin will not repeat his/her mistakes and perform better in helping our community's players.

Admins are not perfect and some will need a little push (read: reprimand/lessons) in order to be able to perform better, but some players cannot accept that fact (or simply want to whine because they got punished) and want to cause a spectacle where the goal is to destroy the admin('s character) and/or moan, rather than giving constructive criticism and helping correct the admin's mistakes. You've seen from the countless anti-admin moan topics and Let's Get Real topics how people love to create a circus, and the complaint emails help avoid just that.

"If you don't like it here, then leave."
- This one, on the other hand, is overused, especially if it is applied to any form of criticism directed at this community. Accepting constructive criticism (emphasis on "CONSTRUCTIVE") is key to having a healthy administration (in fact, this holds true for ALL sides to an extent) that can correct its mistakes and improve each performance; even a diamond has to be cut plenty of times before it can reflect light in its perfect and beautiful manner.

However, it should be kept in place for the immature who wish to do nothing but disrespect our players/admins/HQ and grief everyone else, those who keep sticking around to attack the server so as to rob us of our much-wanted playing/relaxing time, those who harass us by spreading our RL information, and other such assholes. (sorry, not sorry) In case of those who are just discontent with the actions of an admin/s, they should try and reach a constructive solution instead of pointing fingers and yelling "ignorant". After all, when an admin fixes his/her mistakes and performs even better, everyone benefits. (except the banned people who have no intention of letting us play peacefully)

I hope you include clarifications such as the ones above in order to avoid an over-simplistic (and resultantly, flawed) portrayal of the three statements.


Before anyone asks what I am doing to help improve Argonath, look at the topic in my signature.

I am not bragging, but rather showing that I am trying to help by contributing in my own way. I encourage you to do the same, to find out what you are best at and use it to help this community. The more people working together to help, the faster we can rebuild.

The action will not stop at talking and agreeing; you have to get to work too. Now let's do that, shall we?

[Archie]

I agree for the most part (and am in fact willing to help out with some aspects, as Vince has personally seen), with some exceptions such as this:

To say that these are "ignorant" or "completely unaccepting of criticism" is an over-simplistic way of analyzing things that distances us from what the real context of some cases may be.

"Why aren't you contributing instead of moaning?"
- I stand by this comment, actually. Look around you, the community is in need of rebuilding from all sides: players, admins, and developers/HQ. The statement is directed at moaners in order to make them think (or at least, give them a chance to think) on their actions; that rolling up your sleeves and getting to work in order to make things better will actually benefit Argonath, instead of moaning uselessly or parroting statements such as "RS5 is dead, SA:MP is dying, and you will fail!".

Why? It is de-moralizing and de-motivating for players who actually want to help rebuild when people keep going around and repeating negative thoughts that only discourage them from helping the community get back up. Put yourself in the shoes of the average player who wants to help rebuild (though you probably already are there) and see how it becomes harder to rebuild when you have these whining kids trying to impress on you the idea that you have already failed even before you started. The difference between "the community has fallen" and "how can we help it get back up?" is that while both are true, the second is aimed at reaching a SOLUTION.

"If you got a complain, use [email protected]"
- This is also a legitimate statement. Why? Complaint emails were created so that reports against admins can be settled without creating a lot of moaning. Most of you here know how this board has seen a shitload of moan topics in the past, and that we have/had players who report admins with the intention of causing a dramathon rather than making sure that the admin will not repeat his/her mistakes and perform better in helping our community's players.

Admins are not perfect and some will need a little push (read: reprimand/lessons) in order to be able to perform better, but some players cannot accept that fact (or simply want to whine because they got punished) and want to cause a spectacle where the goal is to destroy the admin('s character) and/or moan, rather than giving constructive criticism and helping correct the admin's mistakes. You've seen from the countless anti-admin moan topics and Let's Get Real topics how people love to create a circus, and the complaint emails help avoid just that.

"If you don't like it here, then leave."
- This one, on the other hand, is overused, especially if it is applied to any form of criticism directed at this community. Accepting constructive criticism (emphasis on "CONSTRUCTIVE") is key to having a healthy administration (in fact, this holds true for ALL sides to an extent) that can correct its mistakes and improve each performance; even a diamond has to be cut plenty of times before it can reflect light in its perfect and beautiful manner.

However, it should be kept in place for the immature who wish to do nothing but disrespect our players/admins/HQ and grief everyone else, those who keep sticking around to attack the server so as to rob us of our much-wanted playing/relaxing time, those who harass us by spreading our RL information, and other such assholes. (sorry, not sorry) In case of those who are just discontent with the actions of an admin/s, they should try and reach a constructive solution instead of pointing fingers and yelling "ignorant". After all, when an admin fixes his/her mistakes and performs even better, everyone benefits. (except the banned people who have no intention of letting us play peacefully)

I hope you include clarifications such as the ones above in order to avoid an over-simplistic (and resultantly, flawed) portrayal of the three statements.


Before anyone asks what I am doing to help improve Argonath, look at the topic in my signature.

I am not bragging, but rather showing that I am trying to help by contributing in my own way. I encourage you to do the same, to find out what you are best at and use it to help this community. The more people working together to help, the faster we can rebuild.

The action will not stop at talking and agreeing; you have to get to work too. Now let's do that, shall we?

Yeah, he's right. Very sensibly.

[Kaze]

Why you say that?

It is fairly obvious to how the community reacted to the RS4 to RS5 transition. Despite the 'verbal' opinions being thrown around, Frank Hawk's topic which included a poll suggested that the majority of the players want RS4 back. So already you have the reactions and the statistics and yet again the ''team'' believe they are still correct with the transition. There is the ignorance.


If you want to remove RS5 from the equation then I can easily say that admins often set their own rules when it comes to punishing players, too trigger happy. What's funny is that the admins actually use the banana command to indicate that their decision was correct. Why cant you all be like Dellstorm? Shake my head..

[Umut]

This topic was made in combination with mainly Que

[JDC]

It is fairly obvious to how the community reacted to the RS4 to RS5 transition. Despite the 'verbal' opinions being thrown around, Frank Hawk's topic which included a poll suggested that the majority of the players want RS4 back. So already you have the reactions and the statistics and yet again the ''team'' believe they are still correct with the transition. There is the ignorance.

The majority of players who voted in the poll do not always make the best decisions. Look at the past Oscars, where cheating escalated year by year to the point where the 2012 Oscars were voided.

If you want to remove RS5 from the equation then I can easily say that admins often set their own rules when it comes to punishing players, too trigger happy. What's funny is that the admins actually use the banana command to indicate that their decision was correct. Why cant you all be like Dellstorm? Shake my head..

I won't be surprised if you're someone who gets punished by admins a lot.

Admins who abuse their powers are secretly warned (not made public so as not to try and satisfy anti-admin player's egos, or engage in public shaming) or removed after valid complaints are sent. If you want more admins who conform to the ideal you possess of someone being kind and having patience that players can abuse and exploit, then you're just asking for a weaker community. In fact, admins need to be more strict.