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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Huntsman on November 03, 2014, 06:33:38 pm
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Chancellor Angela Merkel has reportedly warned David Cameron she would rather see the UK leave the EU than compromise over the principle of free movement.
Der Spiegel news magazine quotes German government sources as saying she feared the UK was near a "point of no return".
Chancellor George Osborne dismissed the story as speculation about how Germany may react to a future UK policy shift.
But he insisted ministers would act in the national interest in addressing public concerns about immigration.
He told BBC Breakfast that concerns about abuses of the benefit system were causing "great unhappiness" but the UK would approach future negotiations in a "calm and rational" way.
Mr Cameron wants to renegotiate the terms of the UK's continued membership before holding an in-out referendum.
The prime minister has insisted that freedom of movement of workers would be "at the very heart of my renegotiation strategy for Europe".
But Mrs Merkel is said by the magazine to have made clear she will withdraw her support for the UK's continued EU membership if he continues to push for migration reform which requires fundamental changes to the principles of the organisation.
The German chancellor's warning to Mr Cameron is reported to have come in a meeting on the fringes of the latest EU summit in Brussels last week.
Der Spiegel, quoting sources within the German chancellor's office and German foreign ministry, said this was the first time Mrs Merkel had acknowledged that the UK's exit from the EU was possible.
"Should Cameron persist (in this plan), Chancellor Angela Merkel would abandon her efforts to keep Britain in the EU," it quoted the sources as saying.
"With that a point of no return would be reached. That would be it then."
According to the Sunday Times, Germany has already rejected a proposal to impose quotas on low-skilled EU migrants by limiting the national insurance numbers issued to them.
Der Spiegel reported that Mr Cameron was now looking at a plan to stretch the EU rules "to their limits" in order to ban migrants who do not have a job, and to deport those who are unable to support themselves after three months.
'No iron lady'
Conservative MP David Davis said Mrs Merkel was an "important" figure in Europe but "she is not an iron lady", suggesting she was also likely to come under pressure from within Germany to restrict immigration within Europe from countries with lower average incomes.
He told BBC's Radio 4's Today programme that any British official calling for a "German compliant" re-negotiating approach should be removed from their job.
On Sunday, Conservative MP and former justice secretary Kenneth Clarke defended EU migration.
"If you're going to have a sensible single market, if we want to compete with the Americans and the Chinese and so on, we need the free movement of labour," he told BBC's Sunday Politics.
A Downing Street spokesman said Mr Cameron would make a speech on immigration before Christmas, and stressed "you can be sure he will always put Britain first."
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Good! Lets get there hell out of there!
Vote UKIP! Or vote Conservatives to stop Labour getting into power this time around, and then vote UKIP next time. :rolleyes:
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Would be weird if uk left :p
EU map should look umm , unbalanced , if UK is gray :D
Anyway , its their choice
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EU is beneficial for Lithuania, because unlike in UK, people don't migrate here, we migrate to UK :D:D. Since we have no immigration problems EU is nothing but beneficial, since most roads, towns, historical architectures here were reconstructed by the EU :D
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EU is nothing but beneficial, since most roads, towns, historical architectures here were reconstructed by the EU :D
Which the UK and Netherlands paid for, obviously.
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EU is beneficial for Lithuania, because unlike in UK, people don't migrate here, we migrate to UK :D:D. Since we have no immigration problems EU is nothing but beneficial, since most roads, towns, historical architectures here were reconstructed by the EU :D
Thank you for helping me get an even bit more enthusiastic about leaving the EU.
The EU is nothing but restrictions for the UK, we put £60,000,000 of British tax payers money into it PER DAY and what do we get in return?
- Fishing restrictions.
- Farming restrictions.
- Construction restrictions.
- Energy production restrictions.
- Laws that we don't want, need or vote for.
- Massive uncontrolled amounts of immigrants.
- Terrorists can't be deported due to EU 'human rights laws'.
The simple fact remains, British people did not vote for what the EU is today, they voted for a trade union where different countries economies could benefit from each other and now look at what it is, the only people that the EU benefits are politicians and poor EU countries at the bottom of the food chain, the rest of the large countries like the UK are forced to suffer, the UK has been stripped of it's cultural identity since joining the EU and that 'stripping' is speeding up, in 50 years the UK won't be anything like it is today, or was 15 years ago, it will be just as poor as countries like Greece and Ireland, who the EU also screwed over and now has on a tight lead.
The UK doesn't need the EU, the EU needs the UK, despite Adolf Merkel's bluffs.
Lets get out of it.
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I'm in agreement with our withdrawal but do I support UKIP? Not in the slightest.
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do I support UKIP? Not in the slightest.
Why? They may not be the best but they do seem to be the only non-racist British for British party, British politics is really getting boring, the UK always has the same party's in power, labour comes in, messes everything up, conservatives come in next, mess things up more, fix some things before they get kicked out, labour comes back in, and repeat... It'd be nice to have a change.
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Why? They may not be the best but they do seem to be the only non-racist British for British party
Ahaha.
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Fuck UKIP, Fuck BNP.
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Ahaha.
What's funny? :uhm:
Fuck UKIP
I'm sure all the thousands of people who voted UKIP into the EU Parliament feel the same way.. :rolleyes:
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The whole of UKIP as a party smells of xenophobia. Okay, you want out of Europe but UKIP's campaign to do so seems to be fuelled by total dislike for certain nationalities.
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Labour = Sit on your couch, we'll give you money
Conservative = Get your fucking ass up and work for your money
UKIP is basically BNP and EDL merged :lol:
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Labour = Sit on your couch, we'll give you money
Conservative = Get your f**king ass up and work for your money
Labour = Welcome immigrants! Come destroy some more British culture, ohey, there's an old church over there, rip it down, build a car wash on it, we'll pay your staff job seekers whilst you pay them 75% less than minimum wage on the side!
Conservatives = UKIP's doing quite well lately, so I guess we should copy some of their policies.
UKIP is basically BNP and EDL merged :lol:
What a load of BS... If anything the BNP and EDL are merging to make something completely different, and why not, I'm not racist, but if it makes all the hundreds of thousands of immigrants pouring into the UK per year feel unsettled, why not?
I've had enough of mass immigration and religious plagues spilling in from abroad, I remember how this country was when I was younger, now I look at it.... It's like there's no borders at all, everything has been fucked up by mass immigration, and politicians of course.
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It certainly would help the EU to see the UK fail and crawl back.
Want to leave the EU? Great but not just removing the liabilities but also the benefits.
No more free trade for UK products exporting ot the EU, they will be equal to China.
No more sobsidizing green enrgy by EU budget.
No more benefits for holiday houses in France.
Requiring visa to go on holiday to Spain or follow the football team.
And England still keep their immigration from Pakistan and India, only those people can no longer move abroad in to the EU.
Lets do this... :gand:
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It certainly would help the EU to see the UK fail and crawl back.
Want to leave the EU? Great but not just removing the liabilities but also the benefits.
No more free trade for UK products exporting ot the EU, they will be equal to China.
No more sobsidizing green enrgy by EU budget.
No more benefits for holiday houses in France.
Requiring visa to go on holiday to Spain or follow the football team.
And England still keep their immigration from Pakistan and India, only those people can no longer move abroad in to the EU.
Lets do this... :gand:
Great point made there, Gandalf!
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It certainly would help the EU to see the UK fail and crawl back.
Want to leave the EU? Great but not just removing the liabilities but also the benefits.
No more free trade for UK products exporting out the EU, they will be equal to China.
No more subsidizing green energy by EU budget.
No more benefits for holiday houses in France.
Requiring visa to go on holiday to Spain or follow the football team.
The benefits of leaving out way the benefits of staying in. Just the fact of returning power back to our democratically elected officials will be a success.
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The benefits of leaving out way the benefits of staying in. Just the fact of returning power back to our democratically elected officials will be a success.
And exactly what are the benefits of leaving?
Remeber that those old enough elected their democratic officials in the EU this year.
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And exactly what are the benefits of leaving?
Remember that those old enough elected their democratic officials in the EU this year.
If you are referring to MEPs, then they have a relatively small amount of decision making power as the legislation comes from the Commission - an unelected body. They are appointed by national leaders and are not directly accountable to any person in Europe. Whereas that decision making power being transferred back to Westminster for our MPs to debate who are elected by their constituents, would give us a greater sense of democracy.
There are benefits to immigration but uncontrolled immigration, as we have with the EU in the freedom of movement principle does not benefit us. People across the country are seeing housing shortages, full hospitals and GP surgeries in their area and this is an obvious problem. Angela Merkel has already indicated that Europe won't move on this clause so the only way to get control of the borders back is by leaving.
Not to mention, we aren't happy about being asked to pay billions of pounds more whilst thriving economies such as France and Germany are not having their bills increased. It seems like we're getting a rough deal compared to everyone else. When Merkel is wagging her finger telling us that we must pay it, it calls into question who runs the organisation as it seems to be dominated by what Merkel wants and what she says goes. We're got more worthy places to inject that money; into the health service, education, business rather than contributing to the ludicrous salary and benefit scheme of MEPs.
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If you are referring to MEPs, then they have a relatively small amount of decision making power as the legislation comes from the Commission - an unelected body. They are appointed by national leaders and are not directly accountable to any person in Europe. Whereas that decision making power being transferred back to Westminster for our MPs to debate who are elected by their constituents, would give us a greater sense of democracy.
You are incorrect here, perhaps stay out of the propaganda matter and review the workings of th European Parliament and European Commission.
There are benefits to immigration but uncontrolled immigration, as we have with the EU in the freedom of movement principle does not benefit us. People across the country are seeing housing shortages, full hospitals and GP surgeries in their area and this is an obvious problem. Angela Merkel has already indicated that Europe won't move on this clause so the only way to get control of the borders back is by leaving.
As far as I know most immigrants in the UK are from former colonies and refugees of war.
The first category will not decrease as a result of leaving the EU, the second will depend on how much trouble the UK economy will land in. At least if the refugees have some economic reasons to choose the UK.
Overpopulation is not caused by immigrants as some people wish to utter, but by failing policies on building and education.
Blaming others is easier as admitting you did a poor job in keeping up.
Not to mention, we aren't happy about being asked to pay billions of pounds more whilst thriving economies such as France and Germany are not having their bills increased. It seems like we're getting a rough deal compared to everyone else. When Merkel is wagging her finger telling us that we must pay it, it calls into question who runs the organisation as it seems to be dominated by what Merkel wants and what she says goes. We're got more worthy places to inject that money; into the health service, education, business rather than contributing to the ludicrous salary and benefit scheme of MEPs.
If you make your tax return look better in order to get that extra loan, do not be surprised if the tax office asks their share.
There was no surprise, all involved knew for 6 months what was coming.
But good stage play by some governments acting as if they did not chose to up the data themselves.
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Wow.. Since when is Gandalf supportive of the EU? How can we be sure this is Gandalf? :janek:
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1. It certainly would help the EU to see the UK fail and crawl back.
2.Want to leave the EU? Great but not just removing the liabilities but also the benefits.
3.No more free trade for UK products exporting ot the EU, they will be equal to China.
4.No more sobsidizing green enrgy by EU budget.
5.No more benefits for holiday houses in France.
6.Requiring visa to go on holiday to Spain or follow the football team.
1. Right, because countries outside of the EU are crawling into the EU because they are failing...
2. Yes, let's get out of it completely, if we don't want the immigrants we don't get the trade, thats fair, despite the fact the EU was sold to the UK as 'trade only' in the first place.
3. I'm sure EU countries will continue buying the UK's quality produce, unless they decide to go for a cheaper shitty plastic alternative from China, and if they do, too bad.
4. Oh damn, some wind turbines construction schemes will be scrapped, I'm sure we'll miss them big ugly fans all over our land..
5. Right, because your average British person can afford a holiday home in France.
6. You only need a passport to go on holiday (something we still need to visit mainland Europe anyway despite the EU), no 'visa' required - Not that I would want to visit Spain, I'd just go to Gibraltar instead, no passport required for that since it's British.
And England still keep their immigration from Pakistan and India, only those people can no longer move abroad in to the EU.
Do you mean England or the whole UK?
And by the looks of it, people in the UK are fed up of mass immigration as a whole and so would likely vote in parties with a much more Australian view of it.
And exactly what are the benefits of leaving?
Less immigrants.
Less laws made by foreign powers.
Wouldn't have to pay the EU £60,000,000 per day.
No random requests for £1.7 billion because our economy is doing better than every other country in the EU.
The UK might be able to focus more on trade/relationships commonwealth countries like Canada, New Zealand, Australia and even India..
And most of all, we may be able to restore some of our British culture that has been destroyed by extreme multiculturalism.
Remeber that those old enough elected their democratic officials in the EU this year.
Yes, and they voted UKIP into the EU seats, why? Because we don't want or need the EU.
Wow.. Since when is Gandalf supportive of the EU? How can we be sure this is Gandalf? :janek:
I'm sure your average Russian is supportive of anything that see's other powerful countries suffer.
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Wow.. Since when is Gandalf supportive of the EU? How can we be sure this is Gandalf? :janek:
From a business perspective the EU is a huge benefit.
As for some politics, we all have some issues with our politicians and that includes Russia.
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From a business perspective the EU is a huge benefit.
I fail to see how EU restrictions on pretty much every business from fishing, agriculture, iron works, right down to companies which make vacuume cleaners, is a huge benefit..
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From a business perspective the EU is a huge benefit.
As for some politics, we all have some issues with our politicians and that includes Russia.
nicely said Gandalf.
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I'm sure your average Russian is supportive of anything that see's other powerful countries suffer.
Russians hate our gutts.
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1. Right, because countries outside of the EU are crawling into the EU because they are failing...
Look at which are hopeful to join the EU and tell me how strong their economies are. If the additions to the EU since 1990 were so good, then why are people complaining about work migration from them?
2. Yes, let's get out of it completely, if we don't want the immigrants we don't get the trade, thats fair, despite the fact the EU was sold to the UK as 'trade only' in the first place.
Wrong. The EC was trade only. EU was a political concept from day 1.
3. I'm sure EU countries will continue buying the UK's quality produce, unless they decide to go for a cheaper shitty plastic alternative from China, and if they do, too bad.
As prices of UK products will rise 15% for EU, they will produce their own or use Chinese.
4. Oh damn, some wind turbines construction schemes will be scrapped, I'm sure we'll miss them big ugly fans all over our land..
Nope, you will just have to pay for them.
5. Right, because your average British person can afford a holiday home in France.
Those who vote for the EU can.
6. You only need a passport to go on holiday (something we still need to visit mainland Europe anyway despite the EU), no 'visa' required - Not that I would want to visit Spain, I'd just go to Gibraltar instead, no passport required for that since it's British.
That will change if the UK leave the EU.
Do you mean England or the whole UK?
Depends on where the rule applies.
And by the looks of it, people in the UK are fed up of mass immigration as a whole and so would likely vote in parties with a much more Australian view of it.
Many people are, but it has little to do with the EU.
Less immigrants.
Less laws made by foreign powers.
Wouldn't have to pay the EU £60,000,000 per day.
No random requests for £1.7 billion because our economy is doing better than every other country in the EU.
The UK might be able to focus more on trade/relationships commonwealth countries like Canada, New Zealand, Australia and even India..
And most of all, we may be able to restore some of our British culture that has been destroyed by extreme multiculturalism.
Yes, and they voted UKIP into the EU seats, why? Because we don't want or need the EU.
I'm sure your average Russian is supportive of anything that see's other powerful countries suffer.
Less immigrants? I doubt a large amount of UK immigrants are from the EU.
There are no UK laws made by the EU. the UK makes their own laws, which to some extent must follow the EU guidelines.
The amount the UK pays is 1,5% of the total budget. It would not be noticeable.
There was no random request, your government made the data on which it was based and knew what was coming for them.
What British culture? The last thing that was cultural were the Beatles...
You need the EU more than a drug addict needs drugs.
As for powerful... that was already gone before multiculturalism became popular. The one reason why the UK joined the EU was to try retaining some form of power...
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I fail to see how EU restrictions on pretty much every business from fishing, agriculture, iron works, right down to companies which make vacuume cleaners, is a huge benefit..
It is pretty hand not having to fill out a dozen customs forms, or get permission from lovcal governments to sell goods.
Not to mention the absence of exchange rates (though the UK does not have that benefit).
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Russians hate our gutts.
Not really. Russians just hate the hypocrisy of some countries politics.
As for the submarine ... it was a Dutch one.
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Its funny how russia just say "no it wasn't us" to everything.
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Its funny how russia just say "no it wasn't us" to everything.
We learnt it from IKEA furniture shops.
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It must have been there Russia bought the navigation systems to their combat planes too.
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It must have been there Russia bought the navigation systems to their combat planes too.
HAHAH!
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No random requests for £1.7 billion because our economy is doing better than every other country in the EU.
That's an overstatement to be honest. The UK's economy is not doing better than every other country in the EU or Europe. Luxembourg, Austria, Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland and Sweden for example have strong economies, if not stronger.
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Look at which are hopeful to join the EU and tell me how strong their economies are. If the additions to the EU since 1990 were so good, then why are people complaining about work migration from them?
Countries which want to join the EU have weak economies, the UK does not have a weak economy, the UK's economy is the fastest growing in Europe.
Wrong. The EC was trade only. EU was a political concept from day 1.
I've never heard of the 'EC' so I won't pretend I know anything about it, but the EU was sold to the British public as a trade union which would benefit all countries involved, politics and mass-immigration/extreme multiculturalism were never mentioned.
As prices of UK products will rise 15% for EU, they will produce their own or use Chinese.
Big shame.. Honestly the economics don't really bother me, the UK was a superpower before the EU and could be just as good without it.
Nope, you will just have to pay for them.
Nope, we won't pay for them, because nobody likes the sight of them, just plop a nuclear power station somewhere and be done with it, the UK isn't exactly a tsunami or earthquake prone place so nuclear power is actually quite safe here if regulated properly.
Those who vote for the EU can.That will change if the UK leave the EU. Depends on where the rule applies. Many people are, but it has little to do with the EU.
That's funny, because my father who earns a very decent wage and has worked all his life at one point supported the EU and yet, could still not afford a 'holiday home' in France, why do you try to speak as if you are British with British experiences?
Less immigrants? I doubt a large amount of UK immigrants are from the EU.
214,000 moved to the UK from the EU last year, that numbers has been increased by up to 15-20 thousand per year, the UK's total net migration last year was 603,000, 214k is hardly a small amount is it...?
There are no UK laws made by the EU. the UK makes their own laws, which to some extent must follow the EU guidelines.
Ooh clever, disguise EU laws as 'guidelines' - That should trick the public into supporting the EU, well no, 53% of the UK's laws are from the EU.
The amount the UK pays is 1,5% of the total budget. It would not be noticeable.
Ah yes, a £1.7billion request in 1 day is un-noticable, as is the £60,000,000 paid to the EU per day..
There was no random request, your government made the data on which it was based and knew what was coming for them.
So you actually think it's fair that the UK pays more tax because it is doing better? That kind of destroys the benefit of doing better since a large amount of profit from doing better is being taken..
What British culture? The last thing that was cultural were the Beatles...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture
"Culture - the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society."
The Beatles is music, not culture, culture in my eyes is what defines your nationality.
You need the EU more than a drug addict needs drugs.
Coming from a non-British person from a non-EU country..
As for powerful... that was already gone before multiculturalism became popular. The one reason why the UK joined the EU was to try retaining some form of power...
You're trying to say the UK isn't powerful? Do tell me, how is Russia's ancient aircraft carriers and crashed submarines? Are they still working or are they stranded in the waters round Sweden?
The UK is building the most advanced aircraft carriers and submarines of their kind, only a couple of years after a Russian admiral mocked the UK for not having an aircraft carrier at all as HMS Ark Royal and the Harriers were scrapped, I guess it is worth it in the long run.. :rolleyes:
It must have been there Russia bought the navigation systems to their combat planes too.
Most intelligent thing I have EVER heard Lustigkurre say. :lol:
That's an overstatement to be honest. The UK's economy is not doing better than every other country in the EU or Europe. Luxembourg, Austria, Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland and Sweden for example have strong economies, if not stronger.
They may have strong economies, but the UK's economy is the fastest growing in the EU and is predicted to overtake Germany by 2030 - Depending on wether or not things keep going as well as they are now.
I like Sweden, but you can hardly say they have a better economy than the UK with their 9.6mil population versus the UK's 64mil population.. And yes, population does matter, it's the only reason Germany is currently 'doing better' than the UK which as I said, is set to change.
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That's an overstatement to be honest. The UK's economy is not doing better than every other country in the EU or Europe. Luxembourg, Austria, Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland and Sweden for example have strong economies, if not stronger.
And all of them were asked to pay some extra money.
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Countries which want to join the EU have weak economies, the UK does not have a weak economy, the UK's economy is the fastest growing in Europe.
That makes paying extra taxes fair, right?
I've never heard of the 'EC' so I won't pretend I know anything about it, but the EU was sold to the British public as a trade union which would benefit all countries involved, politics and mass-immigration/extreme multiculturalism were never mentioned.
As you never heard of it you get easily fooled.
The EC was a trade union to make trade between European countries easier. It was trade only and did not have any political aspect.
The EU was always formed as a political union. Apart from trade it also made a bigger political force possible.
For instance current sactions against Russia would have been much less without the EU.
People use confusion in the public about EU and EC to lie about the origin.
Nope, we won't pay for them, because nobody likes the sight of them, just plop a nuclear power station somewhere and be done with it, the UK isn't exactly a tsunami or earthquake prone place so nuclear power is actually quite safe here if regulated properly.
Your government signed agreements that they will have to fulfill even outside of the EU. And without the EU it will cost them a lot more.
214,000 moved to the UK from the EU last year, that numbers has been increased by up to 15-20 thousand per year, the UK's total net migration last year was 603,000, 214k is hardly a small amount is it...?
IT is compared to the much smaller country of Holland.
Ooh clever, disguise EU laws as 'guidelines' - That should trick the public into supporting the EU, well no, 53% of the UK's laws are from the EU.
Show me any British law that was not passed in British parliament.
Ah yes, a £1.7billion request in 1 day is un-noticable, as is the £60,000,000 paid to the EU per day..
So you actually think it's fair that the UK pays more tax because it is doing better? That kind of destroys the benefit of doing better since a large amount of profit from doing better is being taken..
I think it is fair that if the UK posts data about their economy, they get to pay what the data shows they must pay. If you do not agree, blame your government for putting incorrect data. The UK is not the only country in this position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture
"Culture - the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society."
The Beatles is music, not culture, culture in my eyes is what defines your nationality.
Coming from a non-British person from a non-EU country..
And what defines it? And how does that compare to 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 200 years ago? National customs and identities change over time. Thsoe wh ocan not chage with it become dinosaurs.
You're trying to say the UK isn't powerful? Do tell me, how is Russia's ancient aircraft carriers and crashed submarines? Are they still working or are they stranded in the waters round Sweden?
The UK is building the most advanced aircraft carriers and submarines of their kind, only a couple of years after a Russian admiral mocked the UK for not having an aircraft carrier at all as HMS Ark Royal and the Harriers were scrapped, I guess it is worth it in the long run.. :rolleyes:
When was the last time Russian planes were near the UK airspace, and when was the last time it was the oppsite? Just saying...
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That makes paying extra taxes fair, right?
Not really as it still defeats the point of earning more, what is the point if it's going to be taken off you?
As you never heard of it you get easily fooled.
The EC was a trade union to make trade between European countries easier. It was trade only and did not have any political aspect.
The EU was always formed as a political union. Apart from trade it also made a bigger political force possible.
For instance current sactions against Russia would have been much less without the EU.
People use confusion in the public about EU and EC to lie about the origin.
The UK had it's own sanctions against Russia before the EU even got involved.
IT is compared to the much smaller country of Holland.
What?
Show me any British law that was not passed in British parliament.
Every EU law which is shoved down our throats?
I think it is fair that if the UK posts data about their economy, they get to pay what the data shows they must pay. If you do not agree, blame your government for putting incorrect data. The UK is not the only country in this position.
Ok, so the UK should be more like Russia and lie about important statistics to save some money or get away with war crimes?
And what defines it? And how does that compare to 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 200 years ago? National customs and identities change over time. Thsoe wh ocan not chage with it become dinosaurs.
Well, Australia seems to be preserving their culture nicely, just getting more modern as they do it.
The world would be a boring place if every country was the same, and that is what multiculturalism is doing.
When was the last time Russian planes were near the UK airspace, and when was the last time it was the oppsite? Just saying...
A while ago, Russian ships however often float close to British waters, where they are met by waiting destroyers or Typhoon jets.
But unlike Russia the UK's Government slightly cares about the tax payers money and isn't going to waste it sending our military vehicles to harass other countries.
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In terms of taxes on salaries, out of a £25.5k salary in 2012, only £28 went to the EU and £2080 went to Pensions & Benefits [1]. Personally I find this much more concerning. (The Daily Mail seems to think the former is more important, guess it doesn't want to insult it's reader base...)
... and before you blame EU immigration, look at the numbers. Between 1995 and 2001, EEA immigrants were the only group of people who actually put money into the economy via tax as opposed to taking it out (+£6k), the other two groups being native Brits (who took out £11k more than they put in) and non-EEA immigrants (took out £21k). [2]
Solution: kick out native Brits and non-EEA immigrants.
[1]: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16744819
[2]: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25880373
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In terms of taxes on salaries, out of a £25.5k salary in 2012, only £28 went to the EU and £2080 went to Pensions & Benefits [1]. Personally I find this much more concerning. (The Daily Mail seems to think the former is more important, guess it doesn't want to insult it's reader base...)
... and before you blame EU immigration, look at the numbers. Between 1995 and 2001, EEA immigrants were the only group of people who actually put money into the economy via tax as opposed to taking it out (+£6k), the other two groups being native Brits (who took out £11k more than they put in) and non-EEA immigrants (took out £21k). [2]
Solution: kick out native Brits and non-EEA immigrants.
[1]: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16744819
[2]: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25880373
Solution: Leave the EU, slow immigration from non-EU countries, destroy Gimli's passport, create stronger rules around benefits and who can claim them - Maybe the 60mil spent on the EU per day can go towards that.
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Solution: Leave the EU, slow immigration from non-EU countries, destroy Gimli's passport, create stronger rules around benefits and who can claim them - Maybe the 60mil spent on the EU per day can go towards that.
Once again, the amount per day is just 1,5% of all the money the UK Government spends.
On an average salary you would not be able to have one night in the pub extra.
Perhaps selling passports for 100k to Russians and booking meetings with Cameron at 5k per hour is something that is less beneficial...
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It must have been there Russia bought the navigation systems to their combat planes too.
Sir, you win the internet.
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Leave EU and vote UKIP / BNP or watch your daugther getting raped and your son being beaten because he isn't named Ahmed Ali Choundary. It's your choice.
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Leave EU and vote UKIP / BNP or watch your daugther getting raped and your son being beaten because he isn't named Ahmed Ali Choundary. It's your choice.
Okay, how is that EU's fault? Let me remind you that not a single Arabian/Asian state is part of the EU, and the majority of UK immigrants are Arabs. It's the fault of whoevers in charge of the UK immigration policies, not the EU that you can't look after your borders properly.
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Once again, the amount per day is just 1,5% of all the money the UK Government spends.
On an average salary you would not be able to have one night in the pub extra.
Perhaps selling passports for 100k to Russians and booking meetings with Cameron at 5k per hour is something that is less beneficial...
It's not just about the money though Gandalf, it's about the mass immigration and literally extreme multiculturalism being forced upon us all, lucky for you Russia doesn't have that problem as it's attitude is pretty much "adjust or get out" - I can't really understand why people move here then drag their entire f**king culture with them and ram it down our throats, Wales, or Cardiff more so, is starting to look like some poor immigrant enclave, I can't even go to Lidl without having to wait 20 minutes at the tills because some cashiers who barely know any English are too busy having a conversation in Polish to concentrate on their job and actually serve the customers. - And they say immigrants don't take jobs? What a joke, no offence intended to the Polish though.
The EU is no benefit to Britain and the general public can see that despite the government feeding us propaganda on how the EU's benefits out way the negatives, the EU has destroyed this country, along with mass immigration from countries outside of the EU, even Labour who put us in the recession and wanted the doors open in the first place is putting stricter policies on immigration, no matter what you say the larger percentage of the British public disagree with you, we truly don't need the EU more than it needs us, if the UK left other countries would follow and that's really what the EU is scared of, the main reason people like Adolf Merkel say the UK would be making a mistake if they left is only because she knows other countries will follow and wants to make it look like a bad thing.
Screw the EU, but by all means keep European countries united in some kind of military alliance so that tyrant countries like Russia are kept under control.
Leave EU and vote UKIP / BNP or watch your daugther getting raped and your son being beaten because he isn't named Ahmed Ali Choundary. It's your choice.
As much as I want to stop mass immigration and leave the EU, the BNP just seriously is not the answer, they are racist as fuck and don't belong in politics. I do agree that the amount of European rape gangs operating in the UK is pathetic though, just one more example of why we should leave, I'd place bets on 60% or more of all criminals in the UK are actually from mainland Europe.
Okay, how is that EU's fault? Let me remind you that not a single Arabian/Asian state is part of the EU, and the majority of UK immigrants are Arabs. It's the fault of whoevers in charge of the UK immigration policies, not the EU that you can't look after your borders properly.
I slightly agree with you though many of our criminals come from the EU, Asian countries are also producers of rape/soliciting gangs, not to mention the large amount of terrorists we get from there, many of them are British born yes but have parents from Asian countries, just the other day a plot by 4 Muslims to carry out a mass knife attack at the queens WW1 service in London was foiled by the police, thankfully.
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4. Oh damn, some wind turbines construction schemes will be scrapped, I'm sure we'll miss them big ugly fans all over our land..
If they end up building them, I literally hope terrorists attack the turbines they might be building west of the isle of wight.
What British culture?
Boiled down it's really just the inherent inner sense of superiority combined with mild disdain for everything.
we're alright once we get a pint in though
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If they end up building them, I literally hope terrorists attack the turbines they might be building west of the isle of wight.
That's the problem, wind turbines might generate green power but they really are eye sores in some places, and plopping them at tourist attractions like the isle of wight, what are they thinking?
Boiled down it's really just the inherent inner sense of superiority combined with mild disdain for everything.
we're alright once we get a pint in though
I think being the country that created much of the modern world as we know it gives us right to feel an inner sense of superiority, be it true or not. :rolleyes:
The problem is that everybody seems to think Britain owes the world something, they think that if you're proud of being British then you're a hard right wing racist, well how does that make sense? Britain owes the world nothing and we have the right to control immigration into our own country and what goes on inside it as a whole, nobody should be able to tell the UK what to do except British people, so Brussels and the indeed the whole EU can get lost, I'm fine with losing trade, I'm not fine with the UK's reputation, culture and identity being destroyed by foreign bureaucracy.
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UK will crawl back as their economy will fail because they buy from EU most of them "UK products" are actually just like all from a country growing it in enormous numbers its wrote on the package to say "Oh were patriots!" Nothing else dead honest, I reccommend UK will stop thinking they can survive truth is the imigration wont stop since there is many UK people just getting immigrants work for them since they dont want as much cash trust me on that one.
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I can't believe that this is happening