EU will not object to UK leaving the union

[Huntsman]

It certainly would help the EU to see the UK fail and crawl back.
Want to leave the EU? Great but not just removing the liabilities but also the benefits.
No more free trade for UK products exporting ot the EU, they will be equal to China.
No more sobsidizing green enrgy by EU budget.
No more benefits for holiday houses in France.
Requiring visa to go on holiday to Spain or follow the football team.

And England still keep their immigration from Pakistan and India, only those people can no longer move abroad in to the EU.

Lets do this...

Great point made there, Gandalf!

[[WS]Jacob]

It certainly would help the EU to see the UK fail and crawl back.
Want to leave the EU? Great but not just removing the liabilities but also the benefits.
No more free trade for UK products exporting out the EU, they will be equal to China.
No more subsidizing green energy by EU budget.
No more benefits for holiday houses in France.
Requiring visa to go on holiday to Spain or follow the football team.

The benefits of leaving out way the benefits of staying in. Just the fact of returning power back to our democratically elected officials will be a success.

[Gandalf]

The benefits of leaving out way the benefits of staying in. Just the fact of returning power back to our democratically elected officials will be a success.

And exactly what are the benefits of leaving?
Remeber that those old enough elected their democratic officials in the EU this year.

[[WS]Jacob]

And exactly what are the benefits of leaving?
Remember that those old enough elected their democratic officials in the EU this year.

If you are referring to MEPs, then they have a relatively small amount of decision making power as the legislation comes from the Commission - an unelected body. They are appointed by national leaders and are not directly accountable to any person in Europe. Whereas that decision making power being transferred back to Westminster for our MPs to debate who are elected by their constituents, would give us a greater sense of democracy.

There are benefits to immigration but uncontrolled immigration, as we have with the EU in the freedom of movement principle does not benefit us. People across the country are seeing housing shortages, full hospitals and GP surgeries in their area and this is an obvious problem. Angela Merkel has already indicated that Europe won't move on this clause so the only way to get control of the borders back is by leaving.

Not to mention, we aren't happy about being asked to pay billions of pounds more whilst thriving economies such as France and Germany are not having their bills increased. It seems like we're getting a rough deal compared to everyone else. When Merkel is wagging her finger telling us that we must pay it, it calls into question who runs the organisation as it seems to be dominated by what Merkel wants and what she says goes. We're got more worthy places to inject that money; into the health service, education, business rather than contributing to the ludicrous salary and benefit scheme of MEPs.

[Gandalf]

If you are referring to MEPs, then they have a relatively small amount of decision making power as the legislation comes from the Commission - an unelected body. They are appointed by national leaders and are not directly accountable to any person in Europe. Whereas that decision making power being transferred back to Westminster for our MPs to debate who are elected by their constituents, would give us a greater sense of democracy.

You are incorrect here, perhaps stay out of the propaganda matter and review the workings of th European Parliament and European Commission.

There are benefits to immigration but uncontrolled immigration, as we have with the EU in the freedom of movement principle does not benefit us. People across the country are seeing housing shortages, full hospitals and GP surgeries in their area and this is an obvious problem. Angela Merkel has already indicated that Europe won't move on this clause so the only way to get control of the borders back is by leaving.

As far as I know most immigrants in the UK are from former colonies and refugees of war.
The first category will not decrease as a result of leaving the EU, the second will depend on how much trouble the UK economy will land in. At least if the refugees have some economic reasons to choose the UK.
Overpopulation is not caused by immigrants as some people wish to utter, but by failing policies on building and education.
Blaming others is easier as admitting you did a poor job in keeping up.

Not to mention, we aren't happy about being asked to pay billions of pounds more whilst thriving economies such as France and Germany are not having their bills increased. It seems like we're getting a rough deal compared to everyone else. When Merkel is wagging her finger telling us that we must pay it, it calls into question who runs the organisation as it seems to be dominated by what Merkel wants and what she says goes. We're got more worthy places to inject that money; into the health service, education, business rather than contributing to the ludicrous salary and benefit scheme of MEPs.

If you make your tax return look better in order to get that extra loan, do not be surprised if the tax office asks their share.
There was no surprise, all involved knew for 6 months what was coming.
But good stage play by some governments acting as if they did not chose to up the data themselves.

[Huntsman]

Wow.. Since when is Gandalf supportive of the EU? How can we be sure this is Gandalf? 

[Mikal]

1. It certainly would help the EU to see the UK fail and crawl back.
2.Want to leave the EU? Great but not just removing the liabilities but also the benefits.
3.No more free trade for UK products exporting ot the EU, they will be equal to China.
4.No more sobsidizing green enrgy by EU budget.
5.No more benefits for holiday houses in France.
6.Requiring visa to go on holiday to Spain or follow the football team.

1. Right, because countries outside of the EU are crawling into the EU because they are failing...
2. Yes, let's get out of it completely, if we don't want the immigrants we don't get the trade, thats fair, despite the fact the EU was sold to the UK as 'trade only' in the first place.
3. I'm sure EU countries will continue buying the UK's quality produce, unless they decide to go for a cheaper shitty plastic alternative from China, and if they do, too bad.
4. Oh damn, some wind turbines construction schemes will be scrapped, I'm sure we'll miss them big ugly fans all over our land..
5. Right, because your average British person can afford a holiday home in France.
6. You only need a passport to go on holiday (something we still need to visit mainland Europe anyway despite the EU), no 'visa' required - Not that I would want to visit Spain, I'd just go to Gibraltar instead, no passport required for that since it's British.

And England still keep their immigration from Pakistan and India, only those people can no longer move abroad in to the EU.

Do you mean England or the whole UK?
And by the looks of it, people in the UK are fed up of mass immigration as a whole and so would likely vote in parties with a much more Australian view of it.

And exactly what are the benefits of leaving?

Less immigrants.
Less laws made by foreign powers.
Wouldn't have to pay the EU £60,000,000 per day.
No random requests for £1.7 billion because our economy is doing better than every other country in the EU.
The UK might be able to focus more on trade/relationships commonwealth countries like Canada, New Zealand, Australia and even India..
And most of all, we may be able to restore some of our British culture that has been destroyed by extreme multiculturalism.

Remeber that those old enough elected their democratic officials in the EU this year.

Yes, and they voted UKIP into the EU seats, why? Because we don't want or need the EU.

Wow.. Since when is Gandalf supportive of the EU? How can we be sure this is Gandalf? 

I'm sure your average Russian is supportive of anything that see's other powerful countries suffer.

[Gandalf]

Wow.. Since when is Gandalf supportive of the EU? How can we be sure this is Gandalf? 

From a business perspective the EU is a huge benefit.
As for some politics, we all have some issues with our politicians and that includes Russia.

[Mikal]

From a business perspective the EU is a huge benefit.

I fail to see how EU restrictions on pretty much every business from fishing, agriculture, iron works, right down to companies which make vacuume cleaners, is a huge benefit..

[_FreezingDark_]

From a business perspective the EU is a huge benefit.
As for some politics, we all have some issues with our politicians and that includes Russia.

nicely said Gandalf.

[Huntsman]

I'm sure your average Russian is supportive of anything that see's other powerful countries suffer.

Russians hate our gutts.

[Gandalf]

1. Right, because countries outside of the EU are crawling into the EU because they are failing...

Look at which are hopeful to join the EU and tell me how strong their economies are. If the additions to the EU since 1990 were so good, then why are people complaining about work migration from them?

2. Yes, let's get out of it completely, if we don't want the immigrants we don't get the trade, thats fair, despite the fact the EU was sold to the UK as 'trade only' in the first place.

Wrong. The EC was trade only. EU was a political concept from day 1.

3. I'm sure EU countries will continue buying the UK's quality produce, unless they decide to go for a cheaper shitty plastic alternative from China, and if they do, too bad.

As prices of UK products will rise 15% for EU, they will produce their own or use Chinese.

4. Oh damn, some wind turbines construction schemes will be scrapped, I'm sure we'll miss them big ugly fans all over our land..

Nope, you will just have to pay for them.

5. Right, because your average British person can afford a holiday home in France.

Those who vote for the EU can.

6. You only need a passport to go on holiday (something we still need to visit mainland Europe anyway despite the EU), no 'visa' required - Not that I would want to visit Spain, I'd just go to Gibraltar instead, no passport required for that since it's British.

That will change if the UK leave the EU.

Do you mean England or the whole UK?

Depends on where the rule applies.

And by the looks of it, people in the UK are fed up of mass immigration as a whole and so would likely vote in parties with a much more Australian view of it.

Many people are, but it has little to do with the EU.

Less immigrants.
Less laws made by foreign powers.
Wouldn't have to pay the EU £60,000,000 per day.
No random requests for £1.7 billion because our economy is doing better than every other country in the EU.
The UK might be able to focus more on trade/relationships commonwealth countries like Canada, New Zealand, Australia and even India..
And most of all, we may be able to restore some of our British culture that has been destroyed by extreme multiculturalism.
Yes, and they voted UKIP into the EU seats, why? Because we don't want or need the EU.
I'm sure your average Russian is supportive of anything that see's other powerful countries suffer.

Less immigrants? I doubt a large amount of UK immigrants are from the EU.
There are no UK laws made by the EU. the UK makes their own laws, which to some extent must follow the EU guidelines.
The amount the UK pays is 1,5% of the total budget. It would not be noticeable.
There was no random request, your government made the data on which it was based and knew what was coming for them.
What British culture? The last thing that was cultural were the Beatles...
You need the EU more than a drug addict needs drugs.
As for powerful... that was already gone before multiculturalism became popular. The one reason why the UK joined the EU was to try retaining some form of power...

[Gandalf]

I fail to see how EU restrictions on pretty much every business from fishing, agriculture, iron works, right down to companies which make vacuume cleaners, is a huge benefit..

It is pretty hand not having to fill out a dozen customs forms, or get permission from lovcal governments to sell goods.
Not to mention the absence of exchange rates (though the UK does not have that benefit).

[Gandalf]

Russians hate our gutts.

Not really. Russians just hate the hypocrisy of some countries politics.

As for the submarine ... it was a Dutch one.

[Lustigkurre]

Its funny how russia just say "no it wasn't us" to everything.