Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: TheGreasyChopper on January 16, 2015, 12:47:03 am
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Yeah, I'll try to be short and informative as much as I can. As many of you may know the Ten Green Bottles has been the home for the Angels of Death MC for years now.(Dating back to 2009). We've recently lost it due to losing our recognized status, and thus it was set as a Group HQ for the Grove Street Families.
This ofcourse sparked a beef between the AoD and GSF, as we were taken our long time HQ. The whole thing turned into a conversation in which each side claimed it deserved the Ten Green more than the other.
In defense of the Angels of Death's claim for the bar, I'd like to remind everyone of the openings we had and the hosted Roleplays that have been going on there for years now. Any regular player who's been around long enough should know that. We open the bar and roleplay with anyone who comes in. We also used it as our HQ for business meetings, group hang outs, gambling and everything.
The Grove Street Families said that they use it as a hang out for their group and open it for their members and allies. I'm all good with that, but I'm yet to see an /ad stating the bar's open for business, inviting the other players over.
Ofcourse, I'm not saying that they do not open it or roleplay there but I'm saying things from my point of view.
GSF Leadership, please post your vision on the things as I do not want it to be a one sided discussion start. As for the other players, feel free to state your opinion.
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Yeah, really easy this, you let all your members vote for AOD.
Try handling this with Managers and up ;).
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Guess me not giving up my house to easy caused this. ;)
Also, due to the fact you went inactive, GSF took it over, and well they have it set as their HQ. The expression is, "stand on your feet, lose your seat." :lol:
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Guess me not giving up my house to easy caused this. ;)
I don't see why a third parties assets were even a part of that discussion to begin with. :bath:
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I don't see why a third parties assets were even a part of that discussion to begin with. :bath:
that was a first possibility, but that's not an option.
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inactivity on argonath was huge, but how would you know, you were the one of those who went inactive. during that inactivity a group was created, and had high standards when it comes to RP. for keeping the RP alive on argo, ten green bottles are least GSF can get, and i dont see why would you claim any rights on it.
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The side who is going to put it to good use not just have it as an accessory in their inventory. I'd just do something within role-play terms in-game to get a-hold of it, that is if both groups are agreeing to it and ain't going to spit out their dummies afterwards. Seems most logical option for a reasonable outcome for both sides on who gets it.
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Yeah, really easy this, you let all your members vote for AOD.
Try handling this with Managers and up ;).
Here's the deal, I don't want anyone voting because they're a member or a friend. I want everyone's honest opinion. Poll was added for a basic idea. It's the post that I want to count.
The main defense of AoD not holding the bar was that it's in a ghetto and it's not realistic. Well we've been doing this for years. And we've been hosting RPs for everyone all that time we were around.
(The advert video is older than the date it's posted, still looking for the original, not the re-upload)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDI8KKET4m8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_RVQ1_I66A
The side who is going to put it to good use not just have it as an accessory in their inventory. I'd just do something within role-play terms in-game to get a-hold of it, that is if both groups are agreeing to it and ain't going to spit out their dummies afterwards. Seems most logical option for a reasonable outcome for both sides on who gets it.
So far I haven't seen the GSF officially opening it and hosting parties/events at it. We've been doing that for years.
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Think about what's better for the server, global rp or single group rp?
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Here's the deal, I don't want anyone voting because they're a member or a friend. I want everyone's honest opinion. Poll was added for a basic idea. It's the post that I want to count.
The main defense of AoD not holding the bar was that it's in a ghetto and it's not realistic. Well we've been doing this for years. And we've been hosting RPs for everyone all that time we were around.
(The advert video is older than the date it's posted, still looking for the original, not the re-upload)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDI8KKET4m8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_RVQ1_I66A
So far I haven't seen the GSF officially opening it and hosting parties/events at it. We've been doing that for years.
Then you should have been there in the re-opening of GSF, Parties, Roleplay etc all were hosted there.
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Actually does it really matter who owns it?
Just because it has a name on the front of it saying "GSF" don't mean AOD cannot use it? If they can't in Role-play terms make something up instead of crying on the forums, make a decent role-play out of this.
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I'd vote on AoD any day.
Basically because it's all AoD has, beside their bikes. And they truly deserve the bar after their amazing come-back. I doubt GSF would be too upset if they'll have to change HQ, perhaps something across the road.
It's not my decision, though. I'll be quiet.
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ok, so if i promise to host global server rps at corleone HQ every day will i get their villa? thats not how it works. GSF got ten green bottles cos they deserved it, and for your informations there were a lot of rps in ten green bottles hosted by gsf, with or without presence of the other groups. on the other hand AOD was inactive and thats the reason they lost it.
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I'd vote on AoD any day.
Basically because it's all AoD has, beside their bikes. And they truly deserve the bar after their amazing come-back. I doubt GSF would be too upset if they'll have to change HQ, perhaps something across the road.
It's not my decision, though. I'll be quiet.
Beside their bikes? they own a Bar in Conference, north-west of Unity station, They do not 'deserve the bar' despite their 'amazing' comeback.
A group was created, and had high standards when it comes to RP. for keeping the RP alive on argo, ten green bottles are least GSF can get, and i dont see why would you claim any rights on it.
We have maintained this, and it was a managers decision to give is the TGB, we already spoke about you roleplaying there, it's okay.
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Define a lot... And how come I've never been then even though I've been with their allies for the past year? Also we are not trying to claim a random HQ...
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Beside their bikes? they own a Bar in Conference, north-west of Unity station, They do not 'deserve the bar' despite their 'amazing' comeback.
He wanted opinions therefore he got one. Be objectively, not subjective. Otherwise this is just waste of time.
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He wanted opinions therefore he got one. Be objectively, not subjective. Otherwise this is just waste of time.
This topic is not needed in the first place, i just wait for a Manager+ to give a concrete answer.
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Beside their bikes? they own a Bar in Conference, north-west of Unity station, They do not 'deserve the bar' despite their 'amazing' comeback.
All we have is our East LS Bar(Just north of the Ten Green) and a few personal houses in Montgomery. Which were all paid for by members. We lost our faction vehicles so we had to re-buy the bikes for the members. We haven't gotten anything free to "deserve it".
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All we have is our East LS Bar(Just north of the Ten Green) and a few personal houses in Montgomery. Which were all paid for by members. We lost our faction vehicles so we had to re-buy the bikes for the members. We haven't gotten anything free to "deserve it".
We did buy every vehicle or house before we were ever recognized or in any way 'deserved' it.
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If Los Santos had a mayor this would be a good decision for him/her to make. :lol:
As I see it, Ten Green Bottles should be set as a business for the price of $1,500,000.
If either side is truly dedicated then they will be willing to pay the hefty price.
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Traser do you have any claims on the bussiness other than the fact that it was granted to you? There are more bussinesses arround for an hq a bar playing country lik music does not match with your roles anyway... Srsly im sure another place in gantin could be set as your hq and no the ten greens is not the closest one...
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Traser do you have any claims on the bussiness other than the fact that it was granted to you? There are more bussinesses arround for an hq a bar playing country lik music does not match with your roles anyway... Srsly im sure another place in gantin could be set as your hq and no the ten greens is not the closest one...
We use it, we roleplay in it, We own it. unless we are going inactive or sell it it won't be yours.
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All of this drama over a property on an online game. :v:
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This made me laugh so much.
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Okay I am completely lost as of why this is even a topic.
All regarding your events and so on - You have a bar at East LS, it can be used for the roleplay exactly the same way by you then TGB.
TGB is located on grove street and it is and has always been part of grove, we just roleplayed there even when it was in AoD possession, you can do the same, it's an open bar for christ sake, nobody locks it or tells that you're not allowed to go in there.
Just because we do not /ad our every action (Hint to the [NEWS] and open bar stuff) dosen't mean we don't use the bar, it just means we roleplay for ourselves and with everyone who would like to roleplay with us or by themselves in that bar. It's not necessary to use /ad like it's your personal twitter account.
You've got a bar, it gives you all of the abilities TGB did, I don't see an issue here.
As it is a roleplay issue, ROLEPLAY your way out of it, such topics are completely and utterly unnecessary.
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Definitely GSF, it is their ACTUAL HQ. You guys were inactive for a pretty long time, you return, and you are making demands from recognized groups that are well established on Argo? That is asinine, I don't know who you think you are making demands after appearing out of the blue. GSF, Ten Bottles is your's and it should always be that way, you guys already got a bar in East LS, what more do you need? It makes sense for GSF to own TGB anyway.. It is next to Grove Street, it's like their hangout, why take away something they earned?
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Definitely GSF, it is their ACTUAL HQ. You guys were inactive for a pretty long time, you return, and you are making demands from recognized groups that are well established on Argo? That is asinine, I don't know who you think you are making demands after appearing out of the blue. GSF, Ten Bottles is your's and it should always be that way, you guys already got a bar in East LS, what more do you need? It makes sense for GSF to own TGB anyway.. It is next to Grove Street, it's like their hangout, why take away something they earned?
Don't expect a 2013 player to know who's been around that bar until RS5(and a bit after it). What I'm saying is that we did not get any warnings or ultimatums to keep the Ten Green. It was just taken away and nobody decided to even tell us.
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Don't expect a 2013 player to know who's been around that bar until RS5(and a bit after it). What I'm saying is that we did not get any warnings or ultimatums to keep the Ten Green. It was just taken away and nobody decided to even tell us.
Who were they supposed to tell? No one was there.
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Don't expect a 2013 player to know who's been around that bar until RS5(and a bit after it). What I'm saying is that we did not get any warnings or ultimatums to keep the Ten Green. It was just taken away and nobody decided to even tell us.
3 months is the rule, inactive for 3 months, property gets sold, everyone knows that.
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Don't expect a 2013 player to know who's been around that bar until RS5(and a bit after it). What I'm saying is that we did not get any warnings or ultimatums to keep the Ten Green. It was just taken away and nobody decided to even tell us.
Does it matter when he registered? No. You guys went inactive for how long. The property had no purpose just standing there idle.
As for private owned properties they get sold after three months of inactivity.
As of groups gets support with vehicles and group HQ - when the recognised or official status is removed, you loose the script support.
I know for a fact that it was a long standing property for AoD, but you can't come here after months demanding it back just like that.
Who were they supposed to tell? No one was there.
Indeed, I agree to a certain extent. A forum PM could have been sent.
3 months is the rule, inactive for 3 months, property gets sold, everyone knows that.
For private owned properties, not group HQ's. HQ decides who is getting support with vehicles and group HQ.
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It really is up to whoever gets it. If the group loses their HQ due to loss of status and then someone else claims it, then that's it really. Not much to it. If you want the bar back, strike a deal with the owner or demand it to be a commercial business that cannot be affiliated with a group or have a neutral party own the bar for both groups to use it without having a claim of ownership over it.
It's like watching a child stop using his toy train for something else then another child takes the train but then the first child decides he wants it back and cries over it.
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Lets put it this way, we’re not angry about GSF owning it but we’re upset about how the property was taken away from us during the time some of our members had to fulfill their real life responsibilities or who was removed from the server due to some reasons. Our non-presence was used quite well shall I say ? Quick contact with a manager and they got it without giving a notice to us or abitlity to say yes or no about it.
If you think that AoD has not made an approach in roleplay manner to aquire it back then you’re wrong, we’ve tried it quite a few times and we’re also upset about that every time we do try to approach, we’ll get spat in our face. The fact that we own a bar at East LS, thats true and Its just replacement, Its not a place we’d plan to stay since we consider TGB as a traditional place where every day a roleplay scenario was seen.
None questioned us about the location back then, because roleplay mattered not what’s written on the street sign If that bar is green and you consider it yours by a color, why some other group lives in a house that is not so mafia-looking ?
If this topic makes you laugh then please ask yourself, do you want to see players argue over server issues and people leaving or do you want to see roleplay improve throughout discussions like this ?
And also I’d like to point out that we’re always open for mature conversation and there is no need to continue it on such hating tone. Our voice had to be made hearable for the public aswell.
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Quick contact with a manager and they got it without giving a notice to us or abitlity to say yes or no about it.
The property was removed because you lost your recognized status. I used to own this with my own cash before we got recognized.
All of AoD members went quite inactive, enough to make the status of the group removed, the status is given by the HQ, you do not decide whether your group deserves a specific status or not.
There is really no need to argue about this, enjoy stuff how it is, we're here to enjoy roleplay, and have fun.
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And yeah, ancelotti still got their HQ , their cars. with just their founder and no active players coming online.
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And yeah, ancelotti still got their HQ , their cars. with just their founder and no active players coming online.
And they're officially closed...I personally doubt we'll be given their HQ if we go up to it and request it by managers.
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Everyone has lost their assets at the start of RS5.
Give us back our headquarters at Vinewood and our Babylon Club at Market.
Return Alhambra to the Ballas.
Etc.
Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
You went in-active, didn't take the effort to earn it back at the beginning of RS5. Face it.
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Everyone has lost their assets at the start of RS5.
Give us back our headquarters at Vinewood and our Babylon Club at Market.
Return Alhambra to the Ballas.
Etc.
Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
You went in-active, didn't take the effort to earn it back at the beginning of RS5. Face it.
Here's where you are wrong. We've had it for a few months in RS5. We've had it since we were registered as a /group, but then it was removed. It's not fair that we were not even informed about it being removed. Yet officially closed groups are keeping their status and their HQ/Vehicles. That's just unfair.
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Here's where you are wrong. We've had it for a few months in RS5. We've had it since we were registered as a /group, but then it was removed. It's not fair that we were not even informed about it being removed. Yet officially closed groups are keeping their status and their HQ/Vehicles. That's just unfair.
My excuses.
I agree with the second part. Rules about the official/recognized status aren't fair at the moment.
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This isn't a vote though. Why don't you ( AoD ) suggest a better HQ for GSF so they can cahnge ? Win-win ? Hint: CJs.
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And yeah, ancelotti still got their HQ , their cars. with just their founder and no active players coming online.
They do not have the HQ.
Here's where you are wrong. We've had it for a few months in RS5. We've had it since we were registered as a /group, but then it was removed. It's not fair that we were not even informed about it being removed. Yet officially closed groups are keeping their status and their HQ/Vehicles. That's just unfair.
Inactive groups have lost their assets, unfortunately a factor towards why you lost your HQ and status was your ban in-game. And the groups long inactivity.
This isn't a vote though. Why don't you ( AoD ) suggest a better HQ for GSF so they can cahnge ? Win-win ? Hint: CJs.
I don't see why a third parties assets were even a part of that discussion to begin with. :bath:
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And they're officially closed...I personally doubt we'll be given their HQ if we go up to it and request it by managers.
The thing is, after TGB got unowned a member of GSF bought it, later when the group hit recognized status that member sold it and it was given as a perk for being recognized. No one requested to take it over while you still owned it.