Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: beLTa on February 16, 2015, 09:01:04 pm
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Hello there!
I'm thinking about it since a while. Well, the point is that Argonath is full of different kind of gangs. On daily bases, I'm seeing a new gang coming to Argonath. There're alike 30+ gangs now. Criminals are too much, but people to catch them are not much for them. They're going out of the hand.
The point is that, We're enough with new gangs. We don't need more gangs at the moment. So, I'm requesting to those who're planning to make their gangs, or groups etc..
Share your thinking with us!
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People can make as many gangs as they want. You cannot prevent people from creating groups. Obviously creating a group and running it is 2 different things.
What I am saying is that let people create as many groups as they want. The real challenge is to keep it going. If the leader succeeds in keeping it going, then I am more than happy to see another new gang to roleplay with.
Edit: Bottom line is that you can't prevent people from creating gangs. That's just unfair.
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You cant stop people from making new families/groups...
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I laughed when you said that Argonath SA:MP is full of different factions this couldn't be more further from the truth. If people wish to open a faction they can nothing stopping them but I do wish people would open something that creates some diversity of choice for those wishing to join a faction.
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There are surely many groups... but hey we cant control that. But it would be much preferred if groups create a unique experience of roleplay rather than just Mafia and Gangs....
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What are you talking about? :neutral2: State at least 5 gangs out of the 30 you claim that exist, please, because I can only see 18th and GSF (and AoD if you consider it as a gang).
The server is actually full of mafias, because people with low knowledge think they are doing a good job recruiting 30 people daily and going around to boss for teritorries.
I would love to see the ammount of families lowering, but that's because I would love to see the ones with no knowledge in leading to join another family instead. Just because you have members it doesn't mean you can lead the group to success.
However players are not the ones who will stop other players in this case, just live with it because it is someone's right to do so since there's no rule or a requirement set for openning a new group.
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You cant stop people from making new families/groups...
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Let the players enjoy the way they want.
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There is no problem with people making groups, it's just the way they manage them that is the problem. Even then why must we restrict the freedom to do what you want with what you have?
I do notice groups such as MIB and Hagen that seem to recruit every new player they come across, and there's no problem with that: it shows that they are willing to take responsibility of the recruit and teach him about how the server works and what seems to be the most preferred type of roleplay.
However if that new recruit starts breaking rules, the group's reputation is influenced if he gets punished. As such we expect the leaders of said group to treat their members well.
I've said earlier, if you recruit a member, you are willing to take full responsibility of what he does. He's a member of your group after all, and you lead that group.
Yes, people even go as far as to claim the entire group does wrong by performing terroristic acts such as kidnaps/robberies more than a student attends school but again: why should we restrict them from doing so? It's what they want to do. If they break rules when performing such acts though, they'll be apprehended appropriately.
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Hello there!
There're alike 30+ gangs now. Criminals are too much, but people to catch them are not much for them. They're going out of the hand.
As time passes, groups come and go.The wheels of time will test them.Besides, what's wrong with new groups? It's always nice to see new faces around Argonath.Rulebreakers are enevetable, that's why we have Moderators and Administrators who are restoring balance between good and evil. :lol:
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I do notice groups such as MIB and Hagen that seem to recruit every new player they come across, and there's no problem with that: it shows that they are willing to take responsibility of the recruit and teach him about how the server works and what seems to be the most preferred type of roleplay.
I had a misfortune to encounter that organisation just yesterday. I can safely say that it was worst roleplay expierences i've ever had my entire life. If you call randomly pissing on FBI HQ walls, vomiting, insulting agents mothers and sisters quality roleplay, then there's something wrong with you.
I have nothing against groups like AoD, Corleone, Long Beach, 18th and so on - these organisations that provide high quality roleplay instead of "I keel you and kidnap u cuz u cop okay?" or "You arrest me i kidnap you faker", but those groups who are pretty much just bunch of dmers in one place, recruiting every newb that they see and constantly moan in mainchat must go..
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Actually if you are saying that server is full of Mafias then maybe you are right, but not the Quality Mafias, We need more Quality Mafia, not the groups who incite DMing (the problems with most groups here ) and sadly we do not have any solution for this except Banning them because if they keep continuing this then we all know where it is going to be end, and nor we cannot stop them what they are doing and how is their RolePlay even if its pain in the ass for the one who is RPing with them.
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Everyone is free to do whatever he wants....you can't stop them.....If you have a problem with them you're free to leave :D
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That was exactly the point I was trying to make, rytuklis :lol:
The second paragraph especially, people can make groups if they want to, but as they become the leaders of it, they will eventually be responsible for what the group does. If they act like a bunch of apes like your provided example then it's clear their group won't last long, and even their own opportunity to play.
Joining Hamza's post with yours, the "quality roleplay" is something that players provide, and it depends on their skills. Their perception of a mafia is different than others, and the reality at most times. It's unfortunate that some think being a mobster equals being a blatant nuisance to anyone with their "crimes" and master schemes which require potential script abuse to announce their acts...
But as we say: "Lead by example" :gand:
It takes the leader to steer his group in the right direction.
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I want to give cred to the groups that actually stick around for a long time. Always when a newcomer gets big, they last for 1-2 months then they are gone. They often split up and ex members create a new group and the cycle goes on.
But I enjoy seeing the cops being outnumbered though.
If I didnt hate to be a cop, I would start a cop group with a tag or whatever.
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And they need just few things to fix on like they should know that ending a conflict between two sides without a shootout can be quite good as well
If you are suspect that doesn't mean you can go around cops and kill them, suspect job is to escape not to kill cops if you can escape easily there is no need for a shootout then.
And second thing is Roleplay style, if you are a mafia then it doesn't mean their is only a kidnapping RP remained, there are also several other Role Plays who are good too,
Lets say, there is a situation a man who is kidnapped by a Mafia , now the cops rushed in and surrounded a house from all sides, Now this kind of situations where Mafias can be tested your first job is to escape not just coming outside by pressing H and start shooting all the cops outside even cops are 4x more than them,
These are some major problems with some of the Mafias of today
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Argonath needs more gangs, argonath need less mafia families.
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More unique things, and groups focusing mainly on RP. About Hagen and MIB ... It's nice that you guys recruit newcomers, but I'd suggest putting a little more time into educating them... Cheers.
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More unique things, and groups focusing mainly on RP. About Hagen and MIB ... It's nice that you guys recruit newcomers, but I'd suggest putting a little more time into educating them... Cheers.
The thing with Hagen, when i started playing on argo, 1 year and like 11 months ago, Hagen was open for the first time. In this 2-year period, the group leaders opened over 10 families (correct me if i'm wrong please), and none of those lasted more than 1 or maybe 2 months (again, correct me if im wrong). If it ain't working then it ain't working, group name won't change a thing. Instead of trying to be original while you obviously lack experience or imagination, you better join someone who can teach you and help you improve yourself.
Thing with the unique things, people either lack experience to open those, or they just don't want to because they're already part of something unique and creative. Also, most of people here want to open more and more families, the thing is theres hardly anything unique or creative in doing so, on a server with over 10 less or more active families.
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The problem is not in the amount of groups or their quality. It's cooperation between them. If you wish to be a successful group(Speaking from a few years of experience), you gotta make sure you cooperate with other groups. Only go in conflict with a group when you know the other side and know them OOCly(Out of the game, for those who do not recognize IC/OOC). Speak out the terms of conflict and actually Roleplay it. Because massing up and going to your rival group HQ just to beat them up or talk crap toward them is not really anything.
You gotta work together with other groups in order for your own group to survive.
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Nobody would open a MAFIA to teach newcomers.. that's pure bullcrap in my opinion. If I wanted to open a group where I would accept everyone and teach him, it would not be a mafia going around kidnapping and insulting people. People who accept anyone are just power-hungry and like it when they have 20 soldiers ready to assist them in their 'wars' (DM fests).
I lately see a lot of people talking about low RP quality using new mafia names, though if you start actually seeing what's going on you will see that no mafia on the server is roleplaying properly. I won't state incidents as everyone who understands knows what is going on, but yeah, stick your mind to roleplay and not to power, money, shootouts, and police chases, then I'm sure we'll be fine!
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Nobody would open a MAFIA to teach newcomers.. that's pure bullcrap in my opinion. If I wanted to open a group where I would accept everyone and teach him, it would not be a mafia going around kidnapping and insulting people. People who accept anyone are just power-hungry and like it when they have 20 soldiers ready to assist them in their 'wars' (DM fests).
I lately see a lot of people talking about low RP quality using new mafia names, though if you start actually seeing what's going on you will see that no mafia on the server is roleplaying properly. I won't state incidents as everyone who understands knows what is going on, but yeah, stick your mind to roleplay and not to power, money, shootouts, and police chases, then I'm sure we'll be fine!
This.
The only active and respect worthy criminal groups atm:
Angels of Death, 18th Street.
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Read all the posts now.
You guys didn't get my point. I don't mean that finish the families etc..I'm not pointing out any group/gang or not pissing off to anyone. My point is that making gangs without knowing RP, is not fine, according to me.
You've a work, or you're going to do your job. In the way, you're stopped by a mafia family an they're saying you that, "Stop, you're kidnapped!, Get the f**k out of your car, If you'll not, We'll kill you." If you'll not come out, they'll kill you. Is that RP?
Yesterday, I was stopped by a family, They told me to get out. I was going to RP them but one of them killed me with his combat, That's not fair, is it?
Everyone is free to do whatever he wants....you can't stop them.....If you have a problem with them you're free to leave :D
I'm not stopping anyone from making groups. Most of you have got your answer now.
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The only active and respect worthy criminal groups atm:
Angels of Death, 18th Street.
Totally agreed with you. I've been in 18th Street, and I've only noticed that there's nothing in this group except, Great kind of RP. All the members of 18th and AoD are well known player in the argonath. They know all the rules, RP etc.
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This.
The only active and respect worthy criminal groups atm:
Angels of Death, 18th Street.
Whats wrong with some good old bullshitting between groups and eventually a shootout? Might sound crazy to you, but that's alot of fun. That's why groups still do it.
It's easy to yell out "DM" and disparage scenarios like that, just because its harsh and straight forward.
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You cant stop people from making new families/groups...
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I'm not stopping anyone from making groups.
Is it hard to understand? Stop quoting words of others, specially this. I've already said that I'm not stopping anyone from making groups/gangs.
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Then what exactly is your objective here Belta?
It is easily understood that you think there are too many criminal groups, and fairly easy to assume you're suggesting to stop making them. Why don't you explain what your goal is here.
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This.
The only active and respect worthy criminal groups atm:
Angels of Death, 18th Street.
really? and GSF is what exactly lol?
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Then what exactly is your objective here Belta?
It is easily understood that you think there are too many criminal groups, and fairly easy to assume you're suggesting to stop making them. Why don't you explain what your goal is here.
Alright. Here's my goal;
18th Street, AoD, and Grove Street families, All are tagless groups. All their members are well known, and good RPers. They know how to RP. So, These are all right.
Now, Onewho registered IG only one month before. After one month, He decided to open a gang/group. He made a topic here. He started his gang/group. Now, the members who will join his gang/group will also be new to server(mostly, not sure about it). They even don't know how to RP. They'll take their gang as RL gang. They'll start killing people.
For example, I've opened a group. Suppose I'm new to server. I don't know how RP. I went to a guy, and tried to rob him. Now, If he has weapons, he'll kill me. Now, I'll be TPed to hospital. I'll find him again, will get weapons and kill him. That's what I'm saying. They even don't know what is the meaning of "don't return after death." This then will get promoted to mass DMing from all of the members of his gang.
My point is that, those who're new to server. Get some experience about the server and it's rules first, Learn how to RP, etc. Join any gang and see how gangs/groups work. This will help them to learn about the basics of opening groups.
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Alright. Here's my goal;
18th Street, AoD, and Grove Street families, All are tagless groups. All their members are well known, and good RPers. They know how to RP. So, These are all right.
Now, Onewho registered IG only one month before. After one month, He decided to open a gang/group. He made a topic here. He started his gang/group. Now, the members who will join his gang/group will also be new to server(mostly, not sure about it). They even don't know how to RP. They'll take their gang as RL gang. They'll start killing people.
For example, I've opened a group. Suppose I'm new to server. I don't know how RP. I went to a guy, and tried to rob him. Now, If he has weapons, he'll kill me. Now, I'll be TPed to hospital. I'll find him again, will get weapons and kill him. That's what I'm saying. They even don't know what is the meaning of "don't return after death." This then will get promoted to mass DMing from all of the members of his gang.
My point is that, those who're new to server. Get some experience about the server and it's rules first, Learn how to RP, etc. Join any gang and see how gangs/groups work. This will help them to learn about the basics of opening groups.
grove street families have a tag tho, GSF
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More unique things, and groups focusing mainly on RP. About Hagen and MIB ... It's nice that you guys recruit newcomers, but I'd suggest putting a little more time into educating them... Cheers.
Correct.
Hiring newcomers only to increase the amount of members in your gang is nothing. First, you should teach them how to RP, then test them and then hire them. We need quality, not quantity.
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Whats wrong with some good old bullshitting between groups and eventually a shootout? Might sound crazy to you, but that's alot of fun. That's why groups still do it.
I think the hidden key word here is old, Lustig. :gand:
Kids these days, wouldn't know a combat shotgun from an M4 I tells ya.