Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Tiny on March 01, 2015, 02:31:50 pm
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Hello,
So, to get straight to the point, enough is really enough. There's a new retarded trend that people go and buy building other groups are obviously interested in, asking for a buyout. It has been happening with every damn group I have been in lately. I won't moan because a moneyhunger came and bought the crib we want to use as our 'HQ' for 18th, I will simply ask for this to be implemented, as these annoying selfish people stop using their money as an advantage over others' roleplay.
Before you say this... yes we tried to take it back RPly. All we get is 'kill me i don't care', which is not RP at all. So yeah, roleplay doesn't work either. Recognised and Official groups are allowed to have their Headquarters for free, so atleast give a chance to the normal status groups to reserve a place for themselves for thir efforts to be recognised+ at least.
*I'm not sure if this is the right board to post, you may move it.
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Supporting this.
We've seen already a lot of groups getting into fights with these selfish people just because they think that if they own the HQ they will gain respect or gain the history of the previous' family ownership of that building while they're just provking groups and getting them in the unban request board.
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I'm supporting this as well,
but on the other hand there should be some limits cause it's known that there are lots of groups that are not recognized or offical and giving each and one a HQ they want will be a total mess every group will ask for some huge building or a known property and that way the most wanted building will be cought by groups , while some rare and good building like thouse should stay for sale and some should be given.
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Also, do not expect groups to continue for long without having control of their own teritorry, especially because of selfish and moneyhungry people. If this doesn't stop, out group at least cannot continue because our whole RP concept is ruined.
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Every HQ in SA:MP will end up being reserved then.. Not sure if i support it or not.
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Every HQ in SA:MP will end up being reserved then.. Not sure if i support it or not.
Okay, 1 month old groups then, at least. And add a restriction that it has to be in your group's teritorry. Plus, a time limit for people to buy it while it's reserved.
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I completly support this. Houses in Grove street weren't owned for months after rs5 was released (except for CJ's, Ryder's and MAYBE Sweet's), but shortly after GSF was opened, a few people bought the houses around, just so they could get buyout.
When GSF opened a sub-division in Willowfield 1 week ago, no houses were set, no1 gave a fuck about them, except for one house that was owned for a long time already. As soon as we got our houses set there, and Willowfield gang launched, one person went and bought 2 and funded 1 more house.
If anyone recognizes themselves in my post, please don't tell me how you 'felt like having a house like that', especially the ones who opened auctions on forum right after buying the houses, with ofcourse insane buyout prices.
Any group that 'reserves' certain area in their topic, should be allowed to buy the houses in the area, and anyone who does not belong to the group should not be allowed to buy the houses in that certain area (unless they bought their house(s) before the group was open.
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Must be 3+ months for it.
I think I've seen this kind of topic before too and didn't support because of this;
Every HQ in SA:MP will end up being reserved then.. Not sure if i support it or not.
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Must be 3+ months for it.
Biggest facepalm. 2-3 months + gets you recognised, what's the need to reserve an HQ if you deserve it?
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Sorry for double post, but there are many groups without perspective, no point in allowing people to reserve certain building as their HQ, but if group decides to control an area (which is mostly done by gangs, not criminal families), and they already started gaining control of the area (as of buying the properties), the others shouldn't be allowed to buy 'free' properties.
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Biggest facepalm. 2-3 months + gets you recognised, what's the need to reserve an HQ if you deserve it?
You mean, If you're 3+ months old, you'll be recognized?
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Or if you do not agree about reserving them, then force people to comply with the roleplay consequences. If he gets killed for the house, it should be left unowned.
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You mean, If you're 3+ months old, you'll be recognized?
Yes. 2 or 3 months old+
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Don't draw attention, my group had no such things when a whole apartment block was created in SF.
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Don't draw attention,
:uhm:
my group had no such things when a whole apartment block was created in SF.
It has been happening with every damn group I have been in lately.
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This idea is cool, not bad actually, but it needs a lot of works to be done, however it's not practical, to be honest.
Or if you do not agree about reserving them, then force people to comply with the roleplay consequences. If he gets killed for the house, it should be left unowned.
And I believe HQ will not agree with this, as Argonath is not strict RP server, and forcing roleplay is not allowed.
(It's obvious that second party doesn't like to sell his property so he'll probably wont agree with this RP, that's why it's kinda forced RP)
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It has been happening with every damn group I have been in lately.
Well, obviously the same thing happened with GSF. Everyone bought properties around the block so they could sell.
When Gvardia wanted to purchase houses near our HQ, after the apartment block was set we immediatly bought all the houses.
My point was, if someone notices you RPing at a spot, he might use that as an opportunity to make some easy cash.
On a side note, if he dies in a RP, the government will have to then auction his properties unless he inherits them. Talk to the HQ.
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Not practical, every new coming group will register themselves a HQ.
How would it be if someone pays half the amount of the property and then he gets a 2 weeks time to pay a remaining half? The HQ will be reserved for 2 weeks atleast
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Well reserving the HQ idea, i disagree.
But, as i said above, i think that areas selected by groups for their 'hood' should be limited to that group only (unless someone else already owns a property there)
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Do you guys read? I already said that I am talking about an HQ in their teritorry, and also some restrictions can be added on what and when a group can protect a building from being bought.
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Do you guys read? I already said that I am talking about an HQ in their teritorry, and also some restrictions can be added on what and when a group can protect a building from being bought.
I think this goes mainly to gangs and not mafias.
Cause in mafias propertys add respect to a mafia , gangs mainly own territorys or streets and they mainly pick streets that are less used , so thouse who are buying a house in thouse streets are doing it to annoy/make a profit , if this goes for gangs I'm with you on this one !
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I think this goes mainly to gangs and not mafias.
Cause in mafias propertys add respect to a mafia , gangs mainly own territorys or streets and they mainly pick streets that are less used , so thouse who are buying a house in thouse streets are doing it to annoy/make a profit , if this goes for gangs I'm with you on this one !
Yes. I'm obviously talking about a mobster who somehow is interested in a building which is located in the poor neighbourhood of East Los Santos.
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Whilst I also dislike it when other players intentionally go and invade on a groups space by purchasing properties where they are operating, it would also not be fair to say "Oh you can't buy here because a group is setup close by".
However it is also not appreciated when players do it purely for the money, just to try and make some money out of a groups members to purchase properties from them. Unfortunately greed is a part of life, some people know how to be subtle about it whilst others will run other people into the ground for every last dollar they can get.
It would also not be practical for every random group that appears to get a "reserved" HQ either, I am sure everyone is well aware of how many pop-up groups come and go every month.
And before people get confused;
2-3 months + gets you recognised
Not every group will get recognized or official, only those that really put effort in to get a status will earn it.
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Not every group will get recognized or official, only those that really put effort in to get a status will earn it.
That's what I wanted you to understand.
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Whilst I also dislike it when other players intentionally go and invade on a groups space by purchasing properties where they are operating, it would also not be fair to say "Oh you can't buy here because a group is setup close by".
However it is also not appreciated when players do it purely for the money, just to try and make some money out of a groups members to purchase properties from them. Unfortunately greed is a part of life, some people know how to be subtle about it whilst others will run other people into the ground for every last dollar they can get.
It would also not be practical for every random group that appears to get a "reserved" HQ either, I am sure everyone is well aware of how many pop-up groups come and go every month.
This greedy behavior is a business practice which is frowned upon by many, albeit fully within the rules. This is why we need to encourage legal roleplay and develop a more 'complete' constitution (eg. not in the current, very closed and secretive manner). This way, practices like that can be outlawed or otherwise reduced (eg. develop a law that outlaws property prices that are 50% higher than the property base value <- just an example).
So yes, this can actually be solved by roleplaying.
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Whilst I also dislike it when other players intentionally go and invade on a groups space by purchasing properties where they are operating, it would also not be fair to say "Oh you can't buy here because a group is setup close by".
However it is also not appreciated when players do it purely for the money, just to try and make some money out of a groups members to purchase properties from them. Unfortunately greed is a part of life, some people know how to be subtle about it whilst others will run other people into the ground for every last dollar they can get.
It would also not be practical for every random group that appears to get a "reserved" HQ either, I am sure everyone is well aware of how many pop-up groups come and go every month.
And before people get confused;
Not every group will get recognized or official, only those that really put effort in to get a status will earn it.
I considered everything you stated before posting, but thought that an actions could be taken when it comes to a so serious case. It's not just a house I want, it's a building which will keep a whole gang safe and lots of people have worked hard to own. Just when we collected and gathered up the last money, some random greedy person pops up and owns it.
Let me know if there's absolutely no way to get it, because nobody of us is giving 1 million ARD to such a person.
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I think this can work if the way how will be, as mentioned, will be calculated, and only if certain rules regarding to the system will be encouraged.
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Let me know if there's absolutely no way to get it, because nobody of us is giving 1 million ARD to such a person.
That's just absurd, taking a building for ransom in a sense.
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Sadly I have to disagree with you this time. These people worked hard on their money and I see no reason why should they be restricted from using them? If they were faster than you in buying them, then you'll have to work harder to pay the buyout.
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Sadly I have to disagree with you this time. These people worked hard on their money and I see no reason why should they be restricted from using them? If they were faster than you in buying them, then you'll have to work harder to pay the buyout.
Are you explaining the logic behind those people or something?
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I was the one who found that area and told shareef to buy it. Apologies.
Believe me or not i had no idea that you guys wanted it. In an RP, i have seen an areas owned by our allies which looks very cool and can be guarded too with security that is necessary for a Mafia HQ. So i was out with Shareef to search such a property in Los Santos, we found that and i told him to purchase it. I came to know about this issue yesterday.
I will talk to Shareef and tell him to withdraw his buyout of 1 mil$.
But there is a catch, we need a property in Los Santos like that. Like you guys, we too wanted to buy the ex Scotto HQ at Mullholand which is now under Savastano.
Get us that without a buyout, we give this without any buyout. Seems Legit?
If not, you can forget about that the same way we will forget about this
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Some strange methods :lol:
A Mafia in a half destroyed building in known gang-land.
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The fascinating thing is the alley, which can be used for vehicle storage, meetings, regrouping and it looks awesome.
You might have seen the soprano hideout at chinatown which is in a alley, has a house and can store vehicles
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The fascinating thing is the alley, which can be used for vehicle storage, meetings, regrouping and it looks awesome.
You might have seen the soprano hideout at chinatown which is in a alley, has a house and can store vehicles
You can't store vehicles there actually. The place is somehow bugged and the vehicles spawn in the middle of the road rather than inside that place, I tested it myself. And anyway it's senseless as Devin said, broken walls etc. Atleast soprano has it on an alley with garages which is legit since no gangs operate nearby or whatsoever.
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Nor that area, which has been bought by us, You guys were supposed to be in El-Corona, and nearby areas not in East los Santos, Our intention wasn't to provoke anyone believe me, but you guys are becoming an ache straight n my head as couple of days ago, you made the same topic when CM bought some houses in your hood,
If things are not going in your way then change them.., Thats not how it works, But still it seems you want this building badly, So we will look into our decision as we are here to enjoy not giving headaches to others.
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As Devin mentioned, there are too many groups coming and going to get a working system of possible HQ's.
Now you can worry about greedy people, but on the other hand it shows that you did not plan your own group very well.
Before moving in to a neighbourhood you could gather the money to take the key points you need and just let the others do what they want.
Having others live around your turf makes it a lot more interesting as sitting there by yourself.
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Before moving in to a neighbourhood you could gather the money to take the key points you need and just let the others do what they want.
This.
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As Devin mentioned, there are too many groups coming and going to get a working system of possible HQ's.
Now you can worry about greedy people, but on the other hand it shows that you did not plan your own group very well.
Before moving in to a neighbourhood you could gather the money to take the key points you need and just let the others do what they want.
Having others live around your turf makes it a lot more interesting as sitting there by yourself.
Words of wisdom.
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It's just a shame to see a group that is bringing roleplay contribution to the server and is always around the area where the house was, having it bought by a mob that will probably not use it as much as the group will just because of pure greediness. As you wish, after all it's a world of its own.
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Nor that area, which has been bought by us, You guys were supposed to be in El-Corona, and nearby areas not in East los Santos, Our intention wasn't to provoke anyone believe me, but you guys are becoming an ache straight n my head as couple of days ago, you made the same topic when CM bought some houses in your hood,
If things are not going in your way then change them.., Thats not how it works, But still it seems you want this building badly, So we will look into our decision as we are here to enjoy not giving headaches to others.
Do me a favor and think before you talk. Nobody cared about the houses CM bought because we left then unowned. If you can't understand when you read and make your own conclusions, we're not the ones to be blamed.
As Devin mentioned, there are too many groups coming and going to get a working system of possible HQ's.
Now you can worry about greedy people, but on the other hand it shows that you did not plan your own group very well.
Before moving in to a neighbourhood you could gather the money to take the key points you need and just let the others do what they want.
Having others live around your turf makes it a lot more interesting as sitting there by yourself.
We were not aware that the building is buy-able, untill we found it activated/set few weeks back. It's not easy for us to collect the $1m+ the value was before the current owner changed the interior, as we're not the people who will be online to truck and grow drugs instead of roleplaying.
However if a mob wants to call themselves a roleplay group on a roleplay server, they simply don't own an 'HQ' in a poor neighbourhood which is occupied by gangsters. So you may also keep the lame excuses out of this case.
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Street Gangsters do not really need to have their own HQ tho. A bar, or a little combo of 3-5 houses should do the trick.
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That building just fits perfectly for a gang and was even owned by gangsters in SP. Tho that's not the case at all.
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That building just fits perfectly for a gang and was even owned by gangsters in SP. Tho that's not the case at all.
Got it, got it.
As I myself been part of your group, I can assure you that you bring a strong RPing vibe even with houses so I wouldn't bother if I was to remain like this.
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Which house are you talking about? Big Smoke's?
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He's talking about the Crack Palace in East LS.
It was a highly sought after building, more than a dozen different players from different groups asked me about it before, was only a matter of time before it got bought.
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He's talking about the Crack Palace in East LS.
It was a highly sought after building, more than a dozen different players from different groups asked me about it before, was only a matter of time before it got bought.
Is that how it's called? Oh well this used to be a piece of crap but the new addition with the garage made it purely awesome.
Other on that, and to stick with the topic, I cannot agree/disagree with Tiny since it can be pretty risky or useful at the same time.
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So how nicely you are saying us greedy people, and getting away. As Manaz said if we will sell this, we are not gonna take buyout for this, We are not here for Virtual Money, and only for Fun like you, like everyone else , But the thing is that you are moaning about that building...Ohh wait you are always used to do., Sometimes we don't get what we want, Like We wanted Avispa's mansion from last 6 months but in the end we failed to get it as it is impossible to have this with your own money and now it has been owned by another group, but that doesn't mean that we will go on and make a crying topic, you should have contacted us in game instead of making Crying and change the rules topics, week in week out.
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Is that how it's called? Oh well this used to be a piece of crap but the new addition with the garage made it purely awesome.
There is no garage with that property.
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There is no garage with that property.
That huge parking area beneath it. My bad.
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You're definitely looking at the wrong building.
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So how nicely you are saying us greedy people, and getting away. As Manaz said if we will sell this, we are not gonna take buyout for this, We are not here for Virtual Money, and only for Fun like you, like everyone else , But the thing is that you are moaning about that building...Ohh wait you are always used to do., Sometimes we don't get what we want, Like We wanted Avispa's mansion from last 6 months but in the end we failed to get it as it is impossible to have this with your own money and now it has been owned by another group, but that doesn't mean that we will go on and make a crying topic, you should have contacted us in game instead of making Crying and change the rules topics, week in week out.
Take your hurt feelings elsewhere. I'm not here to argue with people who fail when it comes to thinking.
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That huge parking area beneath it. My bad.
As I said before, the parking area cannot be used, maybe because it is not a parking area, if you try to spawn a car there and then you blow it up, it'll respawn outside that place.. So you can't use it to park cars.
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As I said before, the parking area cannot be used, maybe because it is not a parking area, if you try to spawn a car there and then you blow it up, it'll respawn outside that place.. So you can't use it to park cars.
Since it's possible to reach the interior, it's probably a bug of some sorts, I assume?
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Since it's possible to reach the interior, it's probably a bug of some sorts, I assume?
No clue, but cars cannot be spawned on there.
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You're definitely looking at the wrong building.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-swGwBSxVLFo/UDchI7J_iOI/AAAAAAAAA2c/eqbg_cLWSAg/s1600/gallery19.png
How can it be the wrong building..
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No.
If you lose your HQ, you've lost it. You need to earn it back if you want to have the building back in the right hands.
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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-swGwBSxVLFo/UDchI7J_iOI/AAAAAAAAA2c/eqbg_cLWSAg/s1600/gallery19.png
How can it be the wrong building..
That is not a garage. :rofl:
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Since it's possible to reach the interior, it's probably a bug of some sorts, I assume?
It's not a bug, it's from the final mission in SP when you drive a swat-tank through the wall to reach big smoke.
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Ah that building. I am quite sure that hole was blocked of in RS4. Probably because of the "bugs" stated already.
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No.
If you lose your HQ, you've lost it. You need to earn it back if you want to have the building back in the right hands.
Facts prove that you don't need to earn it. ;)
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It's not a bug, it's from the final mission in SP when you drive a swat-tank through the wall to reach big smoke.
Correct.
That is not a garage. :rofl:
I've corrected myself already.
Fact is that the parking area was not available in RS4.
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Facts prove that you don't need to earn it. ;)
Make sense of this for me.
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Facts prove that you don't need to earn it. ;)
Looks like jealousy makes you nasty :hah:
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Considering not even Gvardia could get their HQ protected after being on this server for several years, I don't support this.
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Don't draw attention, my group had no such things when a whole apartment block was created in SF.
That's because we rushed to buy the whole thing back then ... Did it even take more than a day?
Anyway I didn't read the whole topic ... about your idea. Yes I do kinda like it. Though instead of like giving HQs to everyone, there could be a rule against certain people, buying houses on certain areas simply to sell them to the group that runs around there. No this is not Gang only, almost every group claims a territory, more or less.
About the guy who suggested 2-3+ months old groups. Well that "promised HQ" thing should be for groups that have the potential of becoming recognized. If a group is not already recognized after 3 months, its chances of getting that status are proven to be low, so they are the least of the people that deserve such a thing. If it were to run like this, I'd suggest two weeks. Which means that the group will be kinda off the "we just started" rush, pretty settled and it will already be pretty obvious, of what chances that group has of becoming recognized. Now another thing though. That "HQ" should be "reserved" not owned. Meaning that it should even be locked. As if those groups were the actual owners of that HQ, the meaning of advancing further would be dramatically lower than it is right now.
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Facts prove that you don't need to earn it. ;)
That's how things work here.
Cheers,
Acika Luciano
The Greatest Emperor of Los Santos
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Well to be honest, You can't really blame "Greedy People" for a mistake you do. The HQ we wanted we bought it before we opened our group, we have seen quite alot of incidents like this but we dont go make a new topic and just argue there, for example, The Ocean Flats, Avispa, etc. If you wanted that HQ you should have bought it before. By your idea you would nearly lock every decent property in SA.
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I respect everyone's opinion, but PLEASE READ before you say something.
You all come up with the same lame excuse. Why the hell do you straight state the 1M buyout if you bought it because 'you like it'? I repeat, if you want to continue this bullshit and ruin the whole concept of a group in-game for an ammount of money you will never receive because of your cheap intentions, then you may do so. That's all I have to say, it's just pointless to continue arguing, it wasn't even my intention but some people are so asking for it.
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That's because we rushed to buy the whole thing back then ... Did it even take more than a day?
Because we had the money for it, after that we asked.
If you had no idea that it was set and costed that much, how'd you expect us to think you wanted it for an HQ for a while now ?
Changing groups about HQs is something that often happens here, good luck Tiny.
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I never said something different Stivi. We had the time to do it, that's all.
From Diego:
The HQ we wanted we bought it before we opened our group
Nah dude that ain't true, but that's not the point really.
The good point about the topic is. That we should find a way to help the groups, who RolePlay around a certain property, or bunch of properties, to end up actually owning them. Than having to buy it with a buyout, from wealthy people, who had the cash to buy them, as soon as the group started being around there. I believe the main goal of the server is RolePlay, and not stats. And money is nothing more than a stat, there should be a way to protect people who aim for roleplay, from people who aim for stats, especially in this matter. Because what's the outcome of this, for the past couple of days?
GSF Chapter which could offer a shitload of RP opportunities was closed. 18SB, a group that bring back a rather unique roleplay character(mexican gang), is walking towards closing, because of that.
And on the bigger picture, The HQ had to change the privileges of Recognized Groups, simply to protect the Corleone Mafia, a group running for years, from losing it's HQ, due to their inability to raise high enough stats, fast enough to get the property.
It's clearly not the first time such a thing happens. And on a side note, I am not claiming that the fact that Gvardia had to rush to buy their HQ is any fair either. It's a long running group, that walked through a bad era. They do not deserve to lose their HQ due to that, atleast not like that.
I hope that I made my points clear, I am not picking any sides, when it comes to the IG alliances and such.
EDIT: I am not implying that the fact that the HQ changed the "privileges" so fast, is a fair move either.
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As I'm seeing that 18SB will going to be in danger after this, So we came to know, that We are going to sell this Property to you guys, As you are doing a great job on the server and keeping the Roleplay environment on the Server . We don't want to become a reason of your downfall and one of the best Roleplay group's downfall.
You can have this property and that too without a Buyout, Now cheers.
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What a miracle after seeing all those posts, let's say thanks.
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What a miracle after seeing all those posts, let's say thanks.
What about the Topic? Next time contact "Mafia" to resvolve your IG problems.
Best regards to Diego Ramirez
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If you lose your HQ, you've lost it. You need to earn it back if you want to have the building back in the right hands.
Facts prove that you don't need to earn it. ;)
Looks like jealousy makes you nasty :hah:
:lol:
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What about the Topic?
You may read the title and the first post to see what this topic is made for, the reason came after people asked for it.
Next time contact "Mafia" to resvolve your IG problems.
:uhm:
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You may read the title and the first post to see what this topic is made for, the reason came after people asked for it.
You cannot mark an territory because you are roleplaying an Mexican gang. There is no such a rule as far i know (Except original Groups like: Corleone, Gvardia etc.). Basically your "land" is not recognized to give an "Protection" for neighbourhood assets. You are forced to earn them in game which is very correct and depends from your abilities.
Imagine that the property in words was owned by a rival mexican gang! Why should the SA:MP HQ reserve this to your gang!? Or let's say the owners of the property plan to create an organization in future that would be identified by the territory. Or they want to roleplay in such of neighbourhood.
:uhm:
You will figure out later.
For my Opinion this "idea/request/suggestion" (which born from a personal interest) is not Supported.
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Well I have made that decision when I heard the rumors that you guys may shut your gang down and simply I don't want this to be happen , that was the reason of my decision, and in simple words I don't want you feel what we have fell in the past, the same thing was happened to us, even after your personal attacks we gifted that to you, and an advice next time if this happened to you DO NOT MAKE TOPICS about it, and try to solve the matter in game rather than on the forums.
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The topic does not say 'give me HQ pls ;'('
I suggested a rule to prevent such cases in the future, it's not supported, end of case. The rest were brought by yourselves, so don't say I posted this to moan about the building.
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Generally I dont really think I would support the Idea of giving free HQ to any group (none recognized and none official) because if so we will see more groups then actual active members, and everyone would think of making a group of whatever members or none role play reason just to get his desired house or business for free as an HQ
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Generally I dont really think I would support the Idea of giving free HQ to any group (none recognized and none official) because if so we will see more groups then actual active members, and everyone would think of making a group of whatever members or none role play reason just to get his desired house or business for free as an HQ
This has not been suggested
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Because we had the money for it, after that we asked.
Actually if you remember, we didn't had, it was a race for it.
About the subject, if you're a new group and you don't get the HQ you wanted, then its interiorly your fault. I remember we didnt offically open Gvardia until we made sure we'll get the Corp. Then we made the topic and everything.
Point is, you shouldn't let everyone know you're gonna go after some building or area and then be surprised when someone tries ransoming you.
And don't get me wrong, I would literally shot people who tries pulling that shit off to anyone. When we lost our Corp, we had few people who were trying to get it so they can do the same to us, some of them even ask for money or else they're gonna buy our Corp, normally they've got told to SAK IT and to go ahead and try buying it, since we had 10plus people protecting the whole area, not a fly could pass by without being shot. And trust me, we didn't forget their behavior, and the punishment is gonna be ruthless.
That's how you treat such people.
And thank Kostas for the support, your words means alot.