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Title: Admins hate us
Post by: Devin on March 19, 2015, 03:00:21 pm
I know I should offer popcorn before starting this but unfortunately there is not enough to spread around so it will be first come, first serve.

(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-120102-popcorn-6p.jpg)

I really can't grasp the idea people keep throwing around that is the "admins hate our group" drama.
Just because an administration member punishes you/your group member does not mean the administrators hate you. It means they are enforcing the rules you/your members are breaking.

You feel like they're singling out your group? Consider the fact that your groups actions is drawing heat upon you and the group.
There is clearly a problem with how you are conducting yourselves if you feel admins are after you.

Staff members only intervene when rules are broken, so how exactly do they hate you?
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Johan_S on March 19, 2015, 03:16:42 pm
As Sopranos founder i've always been helped during my years around with my family.

The staff support was always available to open my eyes in order to see what is wrong and what is not.

All punishments that my family members received were very well deserved. I remember the number of the punishments to my family members in my beginning due to wrong concepts that we had as newcomers. Punishments serve always for good, next time if the chance comes everyone will reduce to maximum the mistakes and here we are nowadays all in one side to make a better community to grow interest of newcomers and to help the popularity with Role Play factions around San Andreas.

Sometimes we mistake the IG stories that make us think wrong just and personal example:
it's ture that we killed MadBoi_Corleone but doesn't mean that @Devin hate @SopranoFamily   :lol:

Nice post i hope the new families read with attention!
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: RizzE. on March 19, 2015, 03:32:52 pm
Argonath is the only server where it is easy to contact admins  no matter what.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: SkyHawk on March 19, 2015, 04:33:43 pm
We purposely make ourselves available, that is the reason we are selected by SA:MP leadership, our primary focus is to assist the players ingame, alot of us sacrifice our own game play and fun for the better of the community, but personally I don't mind it. I get the satisfaction seeing others happy and enjoying themselves. It's worth losing my free time to play when I have the ability to assist others. So with that being said, if you feel you are being singled out chances are theres a damn good reason as to why you are being singled out. We don't just punish someone to punish them because we don't agree with them or don't like them, if that were the case we wouldn't have an administration team because I know for a fact a guy like Devin would kick everyone of us out, that's not what this is about. Look after what members of your group are doing and how they are conducting themselves and then maybe, just maybe you'll understand why some may pay more attention to you rather than others who are obeying the rules.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Manoni on March 19, 2015, 05:20:20 pm
As Devin said, administrators dedicate their time to make sure that everyone follows the rules, no matter what group you are part of. If you think that a staff member is really abusing his powers against you or your group you can always contact a Manager about it. But even if your group seems to be affected by the staff for punishing your members then the problem is not the admins, is your people.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Tiny on March 19, 2015, 05:22:56 pm
If an administrator had the intention to abuse people, he would not be given his rights. I highly doubt there's even one member of the team who has targeted a group.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: beLTa on March 19, 2015, 07:00:53 pm
Popcorns aren't enough, Devin. Get some more.

Anyway; If you'll break the rule, you'll obviously get the punishment. e.g, If the staff member is the member of any family, and the member of the same family breaks a rule, will the admin not give him the punishment? Ofcource he will. That's why they are in.

Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Dennis. on March 19, 2015, 07:14:49 pm
Admins never hate anyone. For me, they sometimes make things unfair.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Devin on March 19, 2015, 07:33:46 pm
Administrators have to make on-the-fly judgement calls and at times they can make mistakes like any of us.
What we need you to understand is that at times a call might seem unfair or favouring someone else over you but the call; Whatever it may be is to prevent rules from being broken or problems occurring.

Keep in mind everyone is on the server to have a good time, even the ban-evaders that seem to love coming back to truck.  ;)
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Skalleper on March 19, 2015, 08:40:23 pm
Get along with or get a tempban slapped on your asscheek, such is life people! On a sidenote, I miss doing that :(
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: danne132 on March 19, 2015, 08:59:51 pm
As Devin said, if you or your group members are breaking rules, the whole group takes the fall for it as each member represent your group. Instead of complaining about being punished, stop rulebreaking, simple as that.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Manoni on March 19, 2015, 09:21:39 pm
Get along with or get a tempban slapped on your asscheek, such is life people! On a sidenote, I miss doing that :(

Then come back, you swedish :D
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Devin on March 19, 2015, 09:31:33 pm
Then come back, you swedish :D

He's to preoccupied selling cheap furniture in Sweden.  :v:
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Skalleper on March 19, 2015, 09:33:11 pm
He's to preoccupied selling cheap furniture in Sweden.  :v:

You can't ever escape your fate, I've realized.  :lol:
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Devin on March 19, 2015, 09:41:38 pm
Doomed for life.  :cry:
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Leon. on March 19, 2015, 09:59:23 pm
With all due respect, there's a problem if you think your administrators are not prone to any prejudice whatsoever. Alas, your point still stands, MadBoi.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: RafaDK on March 19, 2015, 10:02:39 pm
I'm probably one of the most punished individual in this community, and I do not think this;
I think they might abuse their rights; either by not knowing how & when to apply the proper punishment. What I mean is, sometimes a whisper would be enough, other times a ban is the right decision.

And this is where the 'admins hate us' come into play. By not knowing how to act, sometimes, when DM happens, and a /report from the party that got attacked, the admin, obviously, won't just issue a punishment, he will look further into it and whisper person B(the attacker). It might happen that the conversation is enough to make Person B realise that what he did was unfair and is not supported by the server rules, and the subject's ended there. Yet, person A, is not informed about this conversation, which brings the 'omg, i reported Person B and admins didn't do shit, they hate me'. While person B doesn't really give a fuck. With the current brag and spam created by Person A, mainly for not being informed, and completely displaying bad girl-like behavior on main chat, the admins will obviously issue a punishment to him, usually this ranges from a mute to a kick. Which leads to 'omfg they trully hate me'. - So this comes from a non-competent work from the Admin part, he did check the report, look into it, speak with Person B, but didn't inform the victim abou the conversation, making him think the Admin doesn't gaf.

The you have the counterpart, that admin that wants to look so competent, that will issue punishments over every single report. 'Humm, that player reported that other guy for KILLING HIM RANDOMLY(?), it's time for a temporary ban! I'll look so dedicated regarding my newest position!'. Or 'humm, I'll give him a verbal warning, once, and I'll straightly ban him if he doesn't comply, because I'm the authority!'. - This also leads to people to not think that they hate us, but that they don't really care about the people who are part of the community.

Even tho not everyone is fitted to be an administrator, and that's why some people lose their administrator rights over time and that's also why there's a test period for the server Staff, there's also server Staff that is highly competent and make it high into the ranking system.

+1000000000000000000000 to Janar. <3

Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Cyril on March 19, 2015, 10:08:08 pm
So this comes from a non-competent work from the Admin part, he did check the report, look into it, speak with Person B, but didn't inform the victim abou the conversation, making him think the Admin doesn't gaf.

They are actually doing their job properly as they are not forced to give the issue of their investigation to the reporter...
Once you reported someone it's up to the admin to do whatever he wants and you have to move on. It's not because there is not a displayed punishments that nothing happened.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: RafaDK on March 19, 2015, 10:10:36 pm
They are actually doing their job properly as they are not forced to give the issue of their investigation to the reporter...
Once you reported someone it's up to the admin to do whatever he wants and you have to move on. It's not because there is not a displayed punishments that nothing happened.

I think a quick whisper, even if they're not forced to do it, would be insightful to the victim.
But, well, I can't argue. You know better.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Megamidget on March 19, 2015, 10:41:22 pm
I think a quick whisper, even if they're not forced to do it, would be insightful to the victim.
But, well, I can't argue. You know better.

Often times we simply don't have time to sit and discuss the outcome with the victim. When your alone jumping from one report to the next it can take long enough simply conducting the investigation let alone feedback.

I feel the best course of action is to be sure that if you saw an admin take a report something will be done about it.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: RafaDK on March 19, 2015, 10:51:38 pm
Often times we simply don't have time to sit and discuss the outcome with the victim. When your alone jumping from one report to the next it can take long enough simply conducting the investigation let alone feedback.

I feel the best course of action is to be sure that if you saw an admin take a report something will be done about it.

Some people don't take it that way.
As a really old player, I can see and know their prespective. I do understand what you said, but taking 5 seconds to let the victim know you actually spoke to him when there is NOT a public announcement, will infact reduce the cry regarding Argonath staff.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Cyril on March 19, 2015, 10:58:53 pm
Some people don't take it that way.
As a really old player, I can see and know their prespective. I do understand what you said, but taking 5 seconds to let the victim know you actually spoke to him when there is NOT a public announcement, will infact reduce the cry regarding Argonath staff.

If the outcome is not what the victim is expecting, it will take WAY more than 5 seconds because moaning will happen and they will go "why? but he did this and that wtf you are shit admin"
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: RafaDK on March 19, 2015, 11:12:39 pm
If the outcome is not what the victim is expecting, it will take WAY more than 5 seconds because moaning will happen and they will go "why? but he did this and that wtf you are shit admin"

I guess we both have a point, then.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Devin on March 20, 2015, 04:31:02 pm
With all due respect, there's a problem if you think your administrators are not prone to any prejudice whatsoever. Alas, your point still stands, MadBoi.

Of course, everyone living will have some sort of prejudice in one way or another. The only way to solve that would be to have bots handle every single matter with a predefined method in which a problem is solved.
Now that's not going to happen but there is always going to be a human factor within the server administrating the players and assisting as they can. Bad calls will be made at times however if brought to our attention appropriately then we will look into any cases of prejudice.

Keep in mind there shouldn't be claims of bias behaviour displayed by staff members who are simply doing their job dealing with players breaking the rules. No matter the group.

Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Crassus on March 20, 2015, 07:53:13 pm
Dialogue between people has always proved to be best efficient way when it comes to solving things.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Devin on March 28, 2015, 11:45:01 am
Quick question, why does almost every group post pictures in their topic, call it "Roleplay" when all you see is a few players standing there holding guns/weapons?
I believe we have two different ideas of what roleplay is about.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Tiny on March 28, 2015, 11:49:57 am
almost every group

 :lol:


Check this out: http://imgur.com/a/G4fSj
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Kaze on March 28, 2015, 11:52:46 am
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

MadBoi is now SpeechlessBoi
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: .Diego on March 28, 2015, 11:53:53 am
:lol:


Check this out: http://imgur.com/a/G4fSj

Orale, ese!
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: psyron on March 28, 2015, 11:55:20 am
almost every group

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Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: RafaDK on March 28, 2015, 11:59:41 am
Mainly because, Devin

Most of the groups in this community are Criminal groups.
What do you expect them to hold? Flowers and have a dance party all together? - Roleplay isn't something you display in a forum board. What you do display tho, is your group. Pictures of your in order to gain other peoples' attention for them to join your group and eventually find out Roleplay where it should be seeked, In Game.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Devin on March 28, 2015, 01:36:08 pm
Mainly because, Devin

Most of the groups in this community are Criminal groups.
What do you expect them to hold? Flowers and have a dance party all together? - Roleplay isn't something you display in a forum board. What you do display tho, is your group. Pictures of your in order to gain other peoples' attention for them to join your group and eventually find out Roleplay where it should be seeked, In Game.

And are you going to tell me that every roleplay from a criminal group needs to end in a shootout with other groups or cops for petty reasons like "he kidnapped my member"?
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Lustigkurre on March 28, 2015, 01:45:09 pm
And are you going to tell me that every roleplay from a criminal group needs to end in a shootout with other groups or cops for petty reasons like "he kidnapped my member"?

People seem to enjoy those rp's so I dont see a problem with it.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Devin on March 28, 2015, 01:54:59 pm
People seem to enjoy those rp's so I dont see a problem with it.

Your shamal sees more roleplay than some people.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Lustigkurre on March 28, 2015, 02:26:07 pm
Your shamal sees more roleplay than some people.

I dont know what you are trying to say, but I barely roleplay on argonath anymore since long time ago cause I get punished for my style.

I am totally uninspired by the type of roleplay that argonath leaders want. It's like you have to ask your opponents for permission every move you do, otherwise you will spend the night discussing rules with a admin. It takes away everything that I once enjoyed when playing here.

I rather talk shit with friends at gs9 or fly planes.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Hess on March 28, 2015, 02:41:18 pm
I rather talk shit with friends at gs9 or fly planes.
Sounds familiar. I haven't played SA:MP for like 2 years now, but that sounds about right!
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Mariio on March 28, 2015, 02:48:04 pm
Your shamal sees more roleplay than some people.
:D :D :D
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: RafaDK on March 28, 2015, 02:53:17 pm
And are you going to tell me that every roleplay from a criminal group needs to end in a shootout with other groups or cops for petty reasons like "he kidnapped my member"?

Did I say that? I only related to your comment about people pictures.
You now are taking it another way.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: jannik852 on March 28, 2015, 03:17:23 pm
I've experienced other groups, including my own - being set aside when it comes down to DM, for instance.
To think an admin that is a part of a group isn't affected by it, is just retarded, and pure nonsensable.

I do not mean to generalize the management team - but I'm nor going to name anyone.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Louis H on March 28, 2015, 07:05:27 pm
I've experienced other groups, including my own - being set aside when it comes down to DM, for instance.
To think an admin that is a part of a group isn't affected by it, is just retarded, and pure nonsensable.

I do not mean to generalize the management team - but I'm nor going to name anyone.

If you say you're not going to name anyone, then it's pointless mentioning it in the first place.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Leon. on March 28, 2015, 09:37:01 pm
If you say you're not going to name anyone, then it's pointless mentioning it in the first place.
what's the point of naming names in a SA:MP topic besides simply slagging them?
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Louis H on March 28, 2015, 09:40:15 pm
what's the point of naming names in a SA:MP topic besides simply slagging them?

There is no point, exactly. There is no point bringing it up in the first place. If you think admins being biased or doing something you believe they shouldn't, feel free to report them. @jannik852
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: jannik852 on March 28, 2015, 10:48:39 pm
If you say you're not going to name anyone, then it's pointless mentioning it in the first place.

Right, pointless...
Cause stating your opinion is pointless - well that's not new I guess?
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Devin on March 29, 2015, 11:14:31 am
I've experienced other groups, including my own - being set aside when it comes down to DM, for instance.
To think an admin that is a part of a group isn't affected by it, is just retarded, and pure nonsensable.

I do not mean to generalize the management team - but I'm nor going to name anyone.

Of course people will be bias in a way in favour of groups they're in, that's what being human is about.
Fortunately we have more than one administration member on the server and they're from multiple different groups to give an overall somewhat even outlook on situations.

If you feel people are being bias towards a group then report them to HQ so we can look into the matter further and take action if necessary.
I assume that's what you're trying to get at.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: jannik852 on March 30, 2015, 02:42:33 am
Of course people will be bias in a way in favour of groups they're in, that's what being human is about.
Fortunately we have more than one administration member on the server and they're from multiple different groups to give an overall somewhat even outlook on situations.

If you feel people are being bias towards a group then report them to HQ so we can look into the matter further and take action if necessary.
I assume that's what you're trying to get at.

Exactly - seems you could comprehend my opinion, which I think is wunderbar.
Im not looking into reporting any admins, as you can't prevent an individual from taking sides with people they like; as you said it's what being human is about.

Though it shouldn't be a question for the management team to pick sides.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Devin on March 30, 2015, 11:16:10 am
which I think is wunderbar.

(http://www.biltongstmarcus.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/beacon-wonder-bar-mint-choc-2534-p.jpg)

Though it shouldn't be a question for the management team to pick sides.

I would hope that HQ members are fair to every player rather equally, all we can do is try and improve on past mistakes and keep looking forward.
HQ members may have reservations about certain people that like to stand in the spotlight and that's nothing unusual;
When decisions are made they should always be made with a clean canvas and ignore past mishaps. If you feel there are some discrepancies from HQ members feel free to report the problem directly to the Division Leaders of the said servers.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Dean. on March 30, 2015, 11:38:39 am
I hate everyone equally, say no to discrimination!  :jackson:
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Karmps. on March 30, 2015, 09:48:10 pm
Over the years, when I've gotten punished I never spoke out my mind since I know the HQ isnt something to fight with.But some
Of the staff members should really address the situation more clearly before giving a punishment.And I am talking about RS5 times at the moment.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: Devin on March 30, 2015, 10:51:55 pm
Over the years, when I've gotten punished I never spoke out my mind since I know the HQ isnt something to fight with.But some
Of the staff members should really address the situation more clearly before giving a punishment.And I am talking about RS5 times at the moment.

Your idea of HQ seems to be twisted based on the actions of some. That's unfortunate to hear.
Title: Re: Admins hate us
Post by: jannik852 on March 31, 2015, 01:31:46 am
I hate everyone equally, say no to discrimination!  :jackson:

FREEDOM OF EQUALITY!!.. Oh wasn't it supposed to say speech?
 :rofl:
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