Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Hardware/Software support => Resolved issues => Topic started by: Kaze on March 31, 2015, 09:57:00 am
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After a long debate IRL with friends, I have decided to move on from console gaming (I'll still keep the PS4 though!) and move on to PC gaming. But is the gaming database good on PC too? (will I find a person to play FIFA on just as easy as on PS4?)
I am on a tight budget and I done some research on building fairly cheap PC. I think these specs are decent, I'd like to know if I could play GTA 5/GTA 4/COD/CS/FIFA on the PC. I'd obviously love to play all of these in ultra high setting but I can settle for Medium settings for the time being.
CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 "Anniversary Edition"
http://geni.us/2tWm
Motherboard: ASUS Z97-C
http://geni.us/3T4x
GPU: Radeon R7 260X
http://geni.us/3OQR
RAM: Any good brand 8GB
Power Supply: Corsair CX Series 430W Semi-Modular
http://geni.us/jXf
SSD: Kingston 120gb
HDD: 500GB Western digital
TOTAL FOR THIS SETUP = £440/$649/603 euros
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Why even look at a Pentium processor? Just go for an i5.
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Why even look at a Pentium processor? Just go for an i5.
Cheaper
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I still didn't take into consideration my monitor/speakers/possibly a new desk and chair/wall mounts for my monitor and TV
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Cheaper
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I still didn't take into consideration my monitor/speakers/possibly a new desk and chair/wall mounts for my monitor and TV
Yet not worth it.
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Cheaper often turns out to be a waste of money in the long run. Look at it this way, the pentium processors are designed for the average desktop user looking at their porn and emails daily. Not exactly designed for gaming or performance.
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I suggest you save up some more and go for an i5. Or reuse parts if you have any and then buy better components when you have the money.
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That GPU will also be bottlenecked to hell and gone with a Pentium processor. Skip the SSD for now and choose a more suitable processor then when you have more money get an SSD.
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http://pcpartpicker.com/guide/gcTwrH/entry-level-gaming-build - $568
http://pcpartpicker.com/guide/NPXscf/fx-6300-gtx-960-gaming-pc - $695
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Be noted, the PSU you've chosen is a budget one and Corsair's CX-series is not the best. I don't have good experience with the PSU you've chosen either why I wouldn't recommend you to buy it either.
I could recommend to have a look at EVGA's PSU's instead.
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How about the i3? And yeah, I should leave the SSD for another time.
EDIT: PC will be used for those games mentioned above, Kodi and college work (microsoft office etc)
I won't need a CD drive cos of torrent & I have external drive so that saves me some money
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i5 is the minimum/recommended for most games nowadays better off going for it and save yourself the hassle later on.
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i5 is the minimum/recommended for most games nowadays better off going for it and save yourself the hassle later on.
Any specific i5? Theres so many models..
Apologies for the noob questions btw guys
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Well the i5 4690k what I have pretty much is enough for current games.
Wouldn't shrug off getting a 4670k either but between them they are pretty decent CPU's.
Like everyone else has said I would bother even looking at that Pentium because its a bottleneck instantly, you really don't need a SSD as they aren't essential, shrug off the SSD and you will be able to buy the 4670k/4690k.
Apart from that cannot really doubt your choice, otherwise as it all looks fine, I had the 430w Corsair CX and apart from the fact it was too little for my 970, it was an alright PSU.
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Any specific i5? Theres so many models..
Apologies for the noob questions btw guys
Browse around Scan (http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/cpus-intel/core-i5-socket-1150-%28haswell%29) for one 4690 or the 4590 if you want to save a few pounds.
As for PSU definitely get something better like Murt said EVGA products are top-line I have a EVGA SUPERNOVA 750W personally and it suits my system perfectly and will continue to if I upgrade it in the future.
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Why even look at a Pentium processor? Just go for an i5.
To everyone stating that that processor is a bottleneck to the system/GPU/whatever, it doesn't bottleneck anything besides it being a dual core processor itself.
That Pentium processor is a beast when overclocked, you can easely squeeze 4.3+GHz out of it. It works fine for any kind of gaming (when overclocked) although some games that rely on more cores (like Battlefield) will bottleneck the game slightly, still if you have a good GPU you probably won't even notice it since you'll still be at ~60fps in games. Still, look for a quad core processor since more and more games in the future will rely on more cores, i5 is a good option.
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i5 it is.. this one seems ok?
http://www.ebuyer.com/641561-intel-core-i5-4460-3-20ghz-socket-1150-6mb-l3-cache-retail-boxed-bx80646i54460
I have learned that a 'k' after the model number means that it is easier to overclock. I'm not looking to that deep into it I just want to play those games hassle free.
Are all motherboards standard?
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i5 it is.. this one seems ok?
http://www.ebuyer.com/641561-intel-core-i5-4460-3-20ghz-socket-1150-6mb-l3-cache-retail-boxed-bx80646i54460
I have learned that a 'k' after the model number means that it is easier to overclock. I'm not looking to that deep into it I just want to play those games hassle free.
Are all motherboards standard?
Seems alright, only issue no overclocking if you plan to OC go for a "K" model. ;)
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To everyone stating that that processor is a bottleneck to the system/GPU/whatever, it doesn't bottleneck anything besides it being a dual core processor itself.
The dual core Pentium processor will not be able to keep up with the requirements of the latest games and deal with the GPU, memory and everything else that is happening on the computer.
It is already outdated in terms of game requirements, it's not a logical purchase.
Why not throw a GTX970 onto a pentium if that's the case? The processor is not worth the money if someone wants to play games on the system.
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The dual core Pentium processor will not be able to keep up with the requirements of the latest games and deal with the GPU, memory and everything else that is happening on the computer.
It is already outdated in terms of game requirements, it's not a logical purchase.
Why not throw a GTX970 onto a pentium if that's the case? The processor is not worth the money if someone wants to play games on the system.
Try use a Q6600 with a GTX970. :lol:
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Try use a Q6600 with a GTX970. :lol:
At least the Q6600 is a quad core, not a dual core with two threads. It's still not logical at all.
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At least the Q6600 is a quad core, not a dual core with two threads. It's still not logical at all.
Well yeah course, but that is massively outdated itself.
Bottom line @Kaze get yourself a i5. ;)
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Are all motherboards standard?
So I'll most likely go for the one I said in the link..
I need help with the mobo now.
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So I'll most likely go for the one I said in the link..
I need help with the mobo now.
Well yeah your Motherboard seems pretty decent, close to mine I belive I have the Z97-K by ASUS overall great motherboard, good RAM OC support, and the GUI on the BIOS is pretty decent with easy overclocking etc, settings. So I would say go ahead with the motherboard.
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So everything else seems find its just changing the processor and the PSU
any recommended PSU that wont fuck up the mobo chosen and the i5 4460 chosen?
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Personally, I go with 1st gen i series coupled with an ATI Radeon HD6700. My understanding is that the 1st gens were more like engineering samples compared to the 2nd-4th gen. Current generation is ALWAYS going to be inflated unnecessarily in price, so even going BACK a gen or two can be the difference for 100-200$ for a midrange system. General rule of thumb, is stick with the same vendor for CPU and GPU. There are hybrid / frankenstein systems out there that need constant "love". If you choose an intel CPU, stick with nVidia for graphics. Conversely, if you choose AMD for CPU, then go ATI for GPU.
When it comes to processors, most people fail to realize how threading works. Even beyond normal "email, office, and porn" purposes, anything i-series (intel) or A-series (amd), would be more then enough for what you are trying to do. Few applications harness more then 1 thread (for use in anything more then 1 core). If you want a fine-tuned machine, then of course; go for 4th gen. If you get a video card thats GDDR5, you are pretty well off. Since CPU/Memory interactions have just breached the DDR4 generation, my advice to you would be simple (TL;DR).
> Proc = i-series, 1st-3rd gen
> RAM = 4-8gb of DDR3
> GPU = Any nVidia 1gb+ GDDR5 graphics card, with support to SLI
> SSD = When you get the time, CPU will bottleneck if you dont get a dual core w/ HT, or a quadcore (i series)
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Right, just when I thought I got the hang of it! How the fuck do I determine what generation is what?
I google'd the ATI Radeon HD 6700 but can't find it anywhere?
Yeah I understand that, keep the processor and CPU compatible with each other (but how would I know if they are compatible?)
Would 4GB ram be find to start with? I'd like to start as cheap as possible then eventually upgrade my components.
''CPU will bottleneck if you dont get a dual core w/ HT, or a quadcore (i series)" - English please
"Any nVidia 1gb+ GDDR5 graphics card, with support to SLI" SLI? GDDR5 sounds pricey lol
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"Any nVidia 1gb+ GDDR5 graphics card, with support to SLI" SLI? GDDR5 sounds pricey lol
GDDR3 is old school now put it that way, most GPU's are GDDR5, also a 2GB GDDR5 card such as a the Geforce GTX 750ti don't surpass the £100 mark, and is still a decent performing card for for moderate to high performance gaming (such as BF4/H). Myself being a fan of AMD for so long and now changing over to Nvidia I wouldn't knock it for the world.
''CPU will bottleneck if you dont get a dual core w/ HT, or a quadcore (i series)" - English please
He is basiclly saying if you do not get one of the "i" series (i3 / i5 / i7) you have a higher chance of your CPU bottlenecking.
Sit down budget yourself to how much you have and then give us the amount you are willing to spend, im pretty sure as a team here we should be able to build you a decent build. ;)
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''CPU will bottleneck if you dont get a dual core w/ HT, or a quadcore (i series)" - English please
"Any nVidia 1gb+ GDDR5 graphics card, with support to SLI" SLI? GDDR5 sounds pricey lol
Think of smoking through a straw instead of a pipe. A "weaker" product will limit the effectiveness of a more powerful component that relies on it.
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Right, just when I thought I got the hang of it! How the fuck do I determine what generation is what?
I google'd the ATI Radeon HD 6700 but can't find it anywhere?
Yeah I understand that, keep the processor and CPU compatible with each other (but how would I know if they are compatible?)
Would 4GB ram be find to start with? I'd like to start as cheap as possible then eventually upgrade my components.
''CPU will bottleneck if you dont get a dual core w/ HT, or a quadcore (i series)" - English please
"Any nVidia 1gb+ GDDR5 graphics card, with support to SLI" SLI? GDDR5 sounds pricey lol
An i series has a 4 digit code. 1st gen has 3. I have an i7-990. An i5-4400 is 4th gen, i5-3400 is third and i5-2400 is 2nd.
As far as compatibility, keep with the same vendor. intel cpu = nvidia graphics card. Amd cpu = ati graphics card.
Yes, 4gb is enough to start comfortably.
Sli just allows for multiple nvidia graphics cards. With these options, you can upgrade the system later and get significant performance increases down the road.
The biggest limit in most systems is the mechanical hard drive. ssds arent cheap, but another future upgrade.
And for the love of God no matter WHAT you build....dont ruin it with windows 8. Stick with 7 home premium or professional, 64-bit.
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Aha, I understand now.
Will the following be compatible with each other?
GPU: Geforce GTX 750ti
CPU: i5 4460
Motherboard: ASUS Z97-C
In terms of ram, do I still need to follow this 'DDR5 ram' protocol? Ideally I'd prefer 8gb but I'll settle with 4gb temporarily. Ram is standard too right? Any RAM can fit into any motherboard?
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An i series has a 4 digit code. 1st gen has 3. I have an i7-990. An i5-4400 is 4th gen, i5-3400 is third and i5-2400 is 2nd.
As far as compatibility, keep with the same vendor. intel cpu = nvidia graphics card. Amd cpu = ati graphics card.
Yes, 4gb is enough to start comfortably.
Sli just allows for multiple nvidia graphics cards. With these options, you can upgrade the system later and get significant performance increases down the road.
The biggest limit in most systems is the mechanical hard drive. ssds arent cheap, but another future upgrade.
And for the love of God no matter WHAT you build....dont ruin it with windows 8. Stick with 7 home premium or professional, 64-bit.
The GPU that Luke recommended, is it Nvidia?
And dw, I'm currently on W7 Ultimate 64bit. Fuck W8 :P
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'DDR5 ram' protocol
That has to do with the graphics card memory, not the actual ram you use in the computer. For that you still use DDR3.
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Also keep in mind that ram (ddr3) and dedicated memory on the graphics card (gddr5) are two seperate things. Ill see if i can check into compatibility here in a bit. At work on mobile currently.
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Upgrade that 750Ti to an 760 if you can, it's a stronger GPU for gaming for a not whole lot more money.
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760 is the minimum graphics card I would recommend even for a budget minded build with gaming in mind.
Please don't get a 750 or 750ti, without going into great detail...they suck.
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the 760 is too expernsive goddamit! £200!
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the 760 is too expernsive goddamit! £200!
You are not going to get a good PC for chips bottom line, if you want a gaming PC be prepared to pay out simple. ;)
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You are not going to get a good PC for chips bottom line, if you want a gaming PC be prepared to pay out simple. ;)
£200 for GPU
£145 for CPU
£100 for MOBO
£25 for RAM (http://www.ebuyer.com/612415-kingston-4gb-1600mhz-ddr3l-non-ecc-cl11-dimm-1-35v-kvr16ln11-4)
£40 for PSU (http://www.ebuyer.com/630119-evga-500w-fully-wired-80-white-power-supply-100-w1-0500-kr)
Am I missing anything? £510 already.
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A barebones system or builders kit might be better. Usually comes as cpu, mobo, case, and power supply.
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A barebones system or builders kit might be better. Usually comes as cpu, mobo, case, and power supply.
Would it be somewhat cheaper than what I said?
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And for the love of God no matter WHAT you build....dont ruin it with windows 8. Stick with 7 home premium or professional, 64-bit.
Actually, since I upgraded to Windows 8.1 from W7 Pro 64bit, my PC performs a lot smoother, and I actually prefer Windows 8 in general.
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CPU (http://www.ebuyer.com/641561-intel-core-i5-4460-3-20ghz-socket-1150-6mb-l3-cache-retail-boxed-bx80646i54460)
RAM (http://www.ebuyer.com/612415-kingston-4gb-1600mhz-ddr3l-non-ecc-cl11-dimm-1-35v-kvr16ln11-4)
PSU (http://www.ebuyer.com/630119-evga-500w-fully-wired-80-white-power-supply-100-w1-0500-kr)
HDD (http://www.ebuyer.com/448875-seagate-500gb-momentus-thin-7mm-hard-drive-st500lt012)
The above are the confirmed components that I will buy..
How about this for a mobo? http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-B85-G43-Gaming-LGA1150-Motherboard/dp/B00EJ3RJGC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1427984483&sr=8-2&keywords=motherboard
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned, do you have a computer chassis/case and do you have fans for cooling? :neutral2:
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned, do you have a computer chassis/case and do you have fans for cooling? :neutral2:
Case is the last thing to worry about, no?
I'm looking for a simple case, looks like a normal PC. None of this flashy Area 51 shit. Not only do I not like it, it will not attract the guests that come over to my house (11 year old cousins for example)
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(11 year old cousins for example)
Not in topic but being Albanian i know well what is this feeling. :v:
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Not in topic but being Albanian i know well what is this feeling. :v:
Ahahahaha, its annoying af.
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Case is the last thing to worry about, no?
I'm looking for a simple case, looks like a normal PC. None of this flashy Area 51 shit. Not only do I not like it, it will not attract the guests that come over to my house (11 year old cousins for example)
It doesn't need to be some flashy piece garbage with lights and everything but what it does need is to have proper cooling, and by that I mean places to have fans installed.
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It doesn't need to be some flashy piece garbage with lights and everything but what it does need is to have proper cooling, and by that I mean places to have fans installed.
AFAIK fans are cheap under like £10. Don't all cases have standard area above the IO to put atleast two fans?
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At a minimum two fans, one preferably at the front to pull air into the case and one at the back to push the hot air out.
Generally cheap cases have a fan area at the back only.
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At a minimum two fans, one preferably at the front to pull air into the case and one at the back to push the hot air out.
Generally cheap cases have a fan area at the back only.
Ahh, very smart. I'll look into the cases then. :app:
Any motherboard fits into any case right? Obviously not those small PCs
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Cases come in sizes below -
Full Tower E-ATX
Micro ATX
Mid Tower ATX
Mini ITX
scan.co.uk provide specifications on their cases with what board form factor can fit into each case might ant to check their for one.
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Yeah.. if I want to buy a case with a fan at the front it has to be with that fancy leds. I'm pretty sure the lights are optional right? I don't have to connect them to the mobo?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-B85-G43-Gaming-LGA1150-Motherboard/dp/B00EJ3RJGC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1427984483&sr=8-2&keywords=motherboard
would this mobo fit into this case?
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/cit-callisto-black-micro-atx-mini-tower-case-with-120mm-blue-led-fan-w-o-psu-(std-atx)
Both of these products mention ATX.
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Just so you know, that PSU you have selected is designed to be mounted at the bottom of the case whereas that case is designed to have the PSU at the top.
It can still be used but it's not ideal as the PSU will be mounted upside down.
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Just so you know, that PSU you have selected is designed to be mounted at the bottom of the case whereas that case is designed to have the PSU at the top.
It can still be used but it's not ideal as the PSU will be mounted upside down.
Thanks for pointing that out.. yolo