The typical 'New PC' topic

[Kaze]

i5 it is.. this one seems ok?

http://www.ebuyer.com/641561-intel-core-i5-4460-3-20ghz-socket-1150-6mb-l3-cache-retail-boxed-bx80646i54460

I have learned that a 'k' after the model number means that it is easier to overclock. I'm not looking to that deep into it I just want to play those games hassle free.

Are all motherboards standard?

[Luke]

i5 it is.. this one seems ok?

http://www.ebuyer.com/641561-intel-core-i5-4460-3-20ghz-socket-1150-6mb-l3-cache-retail-boxed-bx80646i54460

I have learned that a 'k' after the model number means that it is easier to overclock. I'm not looking to that deep into it I just want to play those games hassle free.

Are all motherboards standard?

Seems alright, only issue no overclocking if you plan to OC go for a "K" model. 

[Devin]

To everyone stating that that processor is a bottleneck to the system/GPU/whatever, it doesn't bottleneck anything besides it being a dual core processor itself.

The dual core Pentium processor will not be able to keep up with the requirements of the latest games and deal with the GPU, memory and everything else that is happening on the computer.
It is already outdated in terms of game requirements, it's not a logical purchase.
Why not throw a GTX970 onto a pentium if that's the case? The processor is not worth the money if someone wants to play games on the system.

[Luke]

The dual core Pentium processor will not be able to keep up with the requirements of the latest games and deal with the GPU, memory and everything else that is happening on the computer.
It is already outdated in terms of game requirements, it's not a logical purchase.
Why not throw a GTX970 onto a pentium if that's the case? The processor is not worth the money if someone wants to play games on the system.

Try use a Q6600 with a GTX970. 

[Devin]

Try use a Q6600 with a GTX970. 

At least the Q6600 is a quad core, not a dual core with two threads. It's still not logical at all.

[Luke]

At least the Q6600 is a quad core, not a dual core with two threads. It's still not logical at all.

Well yeah course, but that is massively outdated itself.
Bottom line @Kaze get yourself a i5. 

[Kaze]

Are all motherboards standard?

So I'll most likely go for the one I said in the link..

I need help with the mobo now.

[Luke]

So I'll most likely go for the one I said in the link..

I need help with the mobo now.

Well yeah your Motherboard seems pretty decent, close to mine I belive I have the Z97-K by ASUS overall great motherboard, good RAM OC support, and the GUI on the BIOS is pretty decent with easy overclocking etc, settings. So I would say go ahead with the motherboard.

[Kaze]

So everything else seems find its just changing the processor and the PSU

any recommended PSU that wont fuck up the mobo chosen and the i5 4460 chosen?

[Vaeldious]

Personally, I go with 1st gen i series coupled with an ATI Radeon HD6700. My understanding is that the 1st gens were more like engineering samples compared to the 2nd-4th gen. Current generation is ALWAYS going to be inflated unnecessarily in price, so even going BACK a gen or two can be the difference for 100-200$ for a midrange system. General rule of thumb, is stick with the same vendor for CPU and GPU. There are hybrid / frankenstein systems out there that need constant "love". If you choose an intel CPU, stick with nVidia for graphics. Conversely, if you choose AMD for CPU, then go ATI for GPU.

When it comes to processors, most people fail to realize how threading works. Even beyond normal "email, office, and porn" purposes, anything i-series (intel) or A-series (amd), would be more then enough for what you are trying to do. Few applications harness more then 1 thread (for use in anything more then 1 core). If you want a fine-tuned machine, then of course; go for 4th gen. If you get a video card thats GDDR5, you are pretty well off. Since CPU/Memory interactions have just breached the DDR4 generation, my advice to you would be simple (TL;DR).

> Proc = i-series, 1st-3rd gen
> RAM = 4-8gb of DDR3
> GPU = Any nVidia 1gb+ GDDR5 graphics card, with support to SLI
> SSD = When you get the time, CPU will bottleneck if you dont get a dual core w/ HT, or a quadcore (i series)

[Kaze]

Right, just when I thought I got the hang of it! How the fuck do I determine what generation is what?

I google'd the ATI Radeon HD 6700 but can't find it anywhere?

Yeah I understand that, keep the processor and CPU compatible with each other (but how would I know if they are compatible?)

Would 4GB ram be find to start with? I'd like to start as cheap as possible then eventually upgrade my components.

''CPU will bottleneck if you dont get a dual core w/ HT, or a quadcore (i series)" - English please
"Any nVidia 1gb+ GDDR5 graphics card, with support to SLI" SLI? GDDR5 sounds pricey lol

[Luke]

"Any nVidia 1gb+ GDDR5 graphics card, with support to SLI" SLI? GDDR5 sounds pricey lol

GDDR3 is old school now put it that way, most GPU's are GDDR5, also a 2GB GDDR5 card such as a the Geforce GTX 750ti don't surpass the £100 mark, and is still a decent performing card for for moderate to high performance gaming (such as BF4/H). Myself being a fan of AMD for so long and now changing over to Nvidia I wouldn't knock it for the world.

''CPU will bottleneck if you dont get a dual core w/ HT, or a quadcore (i series)" - English please

He is basiclly saying if you do not get one of the "i" series (i3 / i5 / i7) you have a higher chance of your CPU bottlenecking.

Sit down budget yourself to how much you have and then give us the amount you are willing to spend, im pretty sure as a team here we should be able to build you a decent build.   

[Devin]

''CPU will bottleneck if you dont get a dual core w/ HT, or a quadcore (i series)" - English please
"Any nVidia 1gb+ GDDR5 graphics card, with support to SLI" SLI? GDDR5 sounds pricey lol

Think of smoking through a straw instead of a pipe. A "weaker" product will limit the effectiveness of a more powerful component that relies on it.

[Vaeldious]

Right, just when I thought I got the hang of it! How the fuck do I determine what generation is what?

I google'd the ATI Radeon HD 6700 but can't find it anywhere?

Yeah I understand that, keep the processor and CPU compatible with each other (but how would I know if they are compatible?)

Would 4GB ram be find to start with? I'd like to start as cheap as possible then eventually upgrade my components.

''CPU will bottleneck if you dont get a dual core w/ HT, or a quadcore (i series)" - English please
"Any nVidia 1gb+ GDDR5 graphics card, with support to SLI" SLI? GDDR5 sounds pricey lol

An i series has a 4 digit code. 1st gen has 3. I have an i7-990. An i5-4400 is 4th gen, i5-3400 is third and i5-2400 is 2nd.

As far as compatibility, keep with the same vendor. intel cpu = nvidia graphics card. Amd cpu = ati graphics card.

Yes, 4gb is enough to start comfortably.

Sli just allows for multiple nvidia graphics cards. With these options, you can upgrade the system later and get significant performance increases down the road.

The biggest limit in most systems is the mechanical hard drive. ssds arent cheap, but another future upgrade.

And for the love of God no matter WHAT you build....dont ruin it with windows 8. Stick with 7 home premium or professional, 64-bit.

[Kaze]

Aha, I understand now.

Will the following be compatible with each other?

GPU: Geforce GTX 750ti
CPU: i5 4460
Motherboard: ASUS Z97-C

In terms of ram, do I still need to follow this 'DDR5 ram' protocol? Ideally I'd prefer 8gb but I'll settle with 4gb temporarily. Ram is standard too right? Any RAM can fit into any motherboard?