Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Kaze on May 30, 2015, 09:25:44 pm
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I have been a victim of these countless of times and it's time I say something about it.
I've been shot at by FBI agents when they are white (the blip and name) and its not right. AFAIK, all law enforcement people should reveal their badge prior to taking fire at suspects. Personally, this is classed as DM and should be dealt with severely as any other case. It can easily escalate because in theory you've killed FBI agent and all those bullshit lawsuits come into play etc etc
What is your take on this?
I'd like it if the HQ orders the FBI to reveal their badge (/sb?) before pursuing/firing a suspect.
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We've just had a chat about this with some other admins, in my opinion if a FBI member is attacked himself, he can return fire without showing badge.
If he is the one that is going to go in offense, then he should show badge first, failing to do so will be classed as DM by me.
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We've just had a chat about this with some other admins, in my opinion if a FBI member is attacked himself, he can return fire without showing badge.
If he is the one that is going to go in offense, then he should show badge first, failing to do so will be classed as DM by me.
That makes perfect sense to me. It is obvious that if a FBI agent is a victim then no doubt return fire. This needs to be something official from the HQ as you may consider it DM but another admin may not.
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HAve never thought about this in the past ... /sb should not be enough either though... So I could just tap my patch, before helping another biker...
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HAve never thought about this in the past ... /sb should not be enough either though... So I could just tap my patch, before helping another biker...
I honestly don't think that an FBI member should just go around for suspects then /sb and shoot them, at least some role-play should be involved, but I can not force them myself to do that, that has to come from FBI command staff.
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HAve never thought about this in the past ... /sb should not be enough either though... So I could just tap my patch, before helping another biker...
From my understanding, you want FBI agents to constantly be blue unless it's a serious scenario that they need to be UC (white)?
I can not force them myself to do that, that has to come from FBI command staff.
That's not a problem, the HQ have the power to make this change for obvious reasons..
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Not completely true... Since this was brought up, the FBI command staff and the administration (which are extremely close), should settle this, and make it known to the public. Just like any criminal has to make obvious his association with another one, same way should the FBI make it obvious, we cant keep our eyes on each white name, to make sure it doesn't turn blue. Having said that.
"/s FBI Agent Evans. Lower your weapons!" along with /sb, should do the trick.
@Kaze. No, I am saying that they have to actually RPly make it clear, who they are, and why they are engaging, read what I said above.
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hi
/report
or
http://fbi.argonathrpg.com/index.php?board=5.0
bye
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"/s FBI Agent Evans. Lower your weapons!" along with /sb, should do the trick.
That does sound reasonable but can easily be abused. Copy pasta the /s and /sb in a matter of seconds and start firing.
<insert bs here>
I have used the /report function countless of times and the agent got off with a warning and I believe that is not enough. It's a simple rule to be implemented and I don't understand why are you trying to challenge it. It is classed as blatant DM so you're tryna promote DM then?
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How am I promoting Deathmatching by telling you to report it. If someone does engage you with a white name they're breaking the rules which means you're able to report them.
http://fbi.argonathrpg.com/index.php?board=5.0
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How am I promoting Deathmatching by telling you to report it. If someone does engage you with a white name they're breaking the rules which means you're able to report them.
http://fbi.argonathrpg.com/index.php?board=5.0
From your initial post, you are clearly looking ignorant thus giving everyone the impression that it is okay to do that.
Anyway..
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There hasn't been a single official Internal Affairs complaint from a civil in over 2 years. The last report was actually about an agent breaching into a building and killing a suspect without having his badge turned on. That agent received disciplinary action. Why? Because he took a screenshot and filed a complaint.
Nothing happens if you don't inform Command Staff. We take the matter seriously as long as you bring the matter to us and not complain about it to others and then we get to hear it via-via.
PM us your concerns, report your complaints. That's how we resolve things and work towards a better future together.
Thank you.
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From your initial post, you are clearly looking ignorant thus giving everyone the impression that it is okay to do that.
Anyway..
No, what he is telling you to do that instead of complaining and whining here you should direct such concerns in the boards that are exclusively deticated for reporting such FBI violations. Yet you choose to argue and moan instead.
Anyhow, I call BS. I am yet to see a single agent engaging a suspect or performing FBI related work without having his badge shown.
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Got to admit that I doubt I've ever seen an FBI agent, engaging without showing his badge, either way, if this matter was clear before this topic was even made, then I see no reason to keep on talking.
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Shit happens, it's a game. Everyone fucks up sooner or later.
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Hi Kaze,
Today I was in-charge of your report and I've talked with the agent and he apologized. And I even showed you the chat-logs.
I don't really understand how would a 'white-blue' tag irritate you? overall, He is a FBI and he is doing his job.
weather he did /sb or not.
But, this doesn't mean that what he has done wasn't wrong, Indeed, It was wrong and I'm pretty sure that he won't repeat it again.
My point is, Is what happened really worth a topic? I don't think it is.
Just chill, overall, it's a game as Devin said.
Enjoy.
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Yeah, the main objective for this topic is for the HQ to remind the FBI to make sure to use /sb before firing at a suspect
I had a shoot out with a cop earlier and FBI came with white blip shooting me from behind, I thought it was a civillian. This is not a moan topic, please FBI use /sb prior to engaging fire with suspect.
The agent that done this to me today, your apology has been accepted. I hope you do the correct thing next time and please encourage your colleagues to do so aswell. Cheers.
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HQ isn't responsible for leading FBI. FBI's directors are.
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HQ isn't responsible for leading FBI. FBI's directors are.
Clearly a 'civillian' shooting at a suspect is considered as DM hence why the HQ get involved. Using the HQ to deliver the message to FBI directors will ensure they will follow that protocol instead of me, a criminal, telling them. You catch my drift?
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Kaze there are deeper issues encoutering FBI as a suspect than the white/blue name.
I honestly don't think that an FBI member should just go around for suspects then /sb and shoot them, at least some role-play should be involved, but I can not force them myself to do that, that has to come from FBI command staff.
There are never roleplay involved in these scenarios, It's always a C30 ending in a shootout.
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Yeah, the main objective for this topic is for the HQ to remind the FBI to make sure to use /sb before firing at a suspect
Every UC officer/agent in the ARPD does shows his/her badge before engaging. In this case he forgot, human error. Sometimes one may not realise if his badge is on or off. There's no need to create such a big fuss over one small incident. Other players are also humans, they can make mistakes. With regards to the FBI, this is a one of incident which has occurred from countless other situations they face on a weekly basis.
This is not a moan topic
This is nothing but a moan topic. As Robert all ready pointed out your report was dealt with in-game. The person in wrong was told the error of his way, which was a genuine mistake due to him forgetting and he even apologised to you for it. Yet you seem to think there is a need for some sort of "response" for this "catastrophic" situation.
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Every UC officer/agent in the ARPD does shows his/her badge before engaging. In this case he forgot, human error. Sometimes one may not realise if his badge is on or off. There's no need to create such a big fuss over one small incident.
I've seen it myself.. just didn't screenshot it. Tho I dont see it as that much of an issue regarding FBI.
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I don't think a new topic was needed for this but whatever. As already mentioned, sometimes FBI agents forget whether their badge is actually shown or not. This is rare, but if it happens it shouldn't really be treated as 'DM'.
FBI agents are usually driving FBI ranchers, full armour and suited up. It's pretty easy to tell if someone is FBI, however I'm not saying this justifies not having their badge shown. Mistakes happen, if you get the chance simply PM the FBI agent and remind him that he doesn't have his badge shown and I'm sure he'll fix it.
Also, if an FBI agent is fired upon whilst not having their badge shown they are most likely going to return fire without showing it because stopping to type that command would probably mean they'll end up dead. But as soon as they get the chance, they should show their badge.
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Just now, FBI agent rammed the fuck out of me (no names) as a 'civillian'. black sultan.
pls guise
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Just now, FBI agent rammed the fuck out of me (no names) as a 'civillian'. black sultan.
pls guise
You created this topic to discuss about the (rare) issue with FBI agents not showing their badge. If you have an issue with someone in the FBI you can report them to internal affairs or if it's a server rulebreak simple /report them. Let's not turn this topic into a war.
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I'm not turning this into a war, you guys are. Rare? It happened twice to me today.
Conclusion: FBI please /sb when pursuing/firing a a suspect. It's annoying because we think you're a random white blip driving past and end up being shot from behind.. our blindspot. Don't use the 'I didn't know' excuse, use /sb to make sure anyway.
Requesting topic lock, clearly the message behind this topic has been delivered.
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Shit happens, it's a game. Everyone fucks up sooner or later.
Board Moderator Notice: Topic locked as requested. - Nathan