Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Que on June 20, 2015, 07:25:43 pm
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This topic is about developing the community further, and I could not resist using this quote as a good way of starting it all.
Yea it's really interesting actually, you can see what kind of people the server has now that this isn't being immediately shot down, let alone the fact that people are actually supporting it.
you can see what kind of people the server has now
Here's the big difference between now and then - the new leader stab is open for discussion, gives feedback and treats people equal. It doesn't matter "what kind of guy" you are - everyone is met with respect and your ideas are being discussed in a proper and mature way. And honestly, I never thought this would happen, I never thought Argonath would be that wide open, friendly and moderately fair in every situation where ideas or general discussion is taking place. "The kind of people" who's still around are the ones having a big heart for this community.Let us not forget that. After being left outside for nearly a decade because another opinion is being discussed, it has finally been brought to the table and it's finally being firmly listened to. Placing people into groups is not the way to go and has never been.
I'm truly happy for this tremendous and positive trend. Because I truly believe that we can re-establish Argonath once again, otherwise I wouldn't even be here right now.
For me, it's important that we keep being open, keep being creative and we develop after what is popular and fashionable today, not being stuck in the past, claiming that every change will be a mistake and kill the "vision".
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I'm not being disrespectful to our past, not at all. But it's about time we do things right, it's about time we adapt Argonath to 2015. It's about time we do some radical changes (some are already on its way) and it's about time we remain positive. We do not have an active player base and we the things we do today is not "as fun" as it were in the past.
WHAT DO WE NEED?
ROLEPLAY
The last time I've been online - I've not had a single roleplay situation. People from different groups has been cruising around in their Sultans, Infernus or whatever bike model you decide to use and none of them were interacting at all. Step this up, guys!
GANGS
We need more gangs! We got Willowfield, Jefferson, El Corona and other places being miserably empty because of the lack of gangs, factions and general interaction.
I frankly reach out to all veterans who's still around - make a group. Show everyone how it's done. We need you the most now.
BE UNIQUE. That's what brings a broader member list and often widens your quality.
CREATIVITY
Until the drug script is being finished, until the changes has been placed in game - it's about time that we step up our creativity, do not do the stereotypic kidnaps and pretty shitty robberies, widen your view and let's do it together to make Argonath a living place again.
These are the top three categories we need to fill in right now, because it's lacking enormously. Roleplay SHOULD NOT even be lacking on a roleplay server. With the ARPD already being worked on, it's up to us criminals and civilians to show what we're made of. Let us make Argonath a better place.
TOGETHER
You are free to give your input of what you'd like to do better, and I will add it to the topic.
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Together :janek:
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I was thinking about El Corona for just a day ago, keep remember it was populated with some Mexican gangs down the years. Cems / Black 69 and some other gangs! Old times, hehe...
Step up people, Los Santos is big and there is room for everyone! :gand:
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We got lots of mafias who's been around forever, and yeah, that's what's up - but we need more unique groups rather than Gvardia. Most of the current groups are copied straight out of gaming history books and single player modes. How many times haven't we had Soprano, Escobar and other quite similar groups? No hard feelings but BE UNIQUE. That's what brings a broader member list and often widens your quality.
lol, what?
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How many times haven't we had Soprano
Excuse me but it's been 4 years rolling so we gave our contribute in this server for good and for bad things(only now lately that we lost the recognized status). Since the day we opened until now that im typing this message we keep constant activity so please... the name may be copied but we have fun with each other okay. Do not forget "Corleone" & "Rock Star", which are alive since the day this server born. I do not have nothing against "being unique" but do not mention my family because i added hard work on keeping it alive. I didn't went away because server do not have business script and other shits. i need just /L /CB and two cars.
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lol, what?
It's copied from a TV serie.
Excuse me but it's been 4 years rolling so we gave our contribute in this server for good and for bad things(only now lately that we lost the recognized status). Since the day we opened until now that im typing this message we keep constant activity so please... the name may be copied but we have fun with each other okay. Do not forget "Corleone" & "Rock Star", which are alive since the day this server born. I do not have nothing against "being unique" but do not mention my family because i added hard work on keeping it alive. I didn't wen away because server do not have business script and other shits. i need just /L /CB and two cars.
Your work is done great. You missed my point. It has nothing to do with anyones work but it gives a slight feeling that everything is copy paste.
I will remove these lines for further arguments. I understand your point of view but I had no intention of criticizing your work.
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1-Corleone
2-Forlenza
3-Luciano
4-Scotto
5-Hagen
6-Even Gvardia is not borned from nowhere...
Want me to mention more?
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I'm already planning to open a group but before I do so I need a couple of veterans to help me with leading it.
I think it would be awesome to have bloods/crips in the server to distribute gangs across 'santos. You would then have ballas, gsf, crips, bloods and couple other smaller sets.
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Excuse me but it's been 4 years rolling so we gave our contribute in this server for good and for bad things(only now lately that we lost the recognized status). Since the day we opened until now that im typing this message we keep constant activity so please... the name may be copied but we have fun with each other okay. Do not forget "Corleone" & "Rock Star", which are alive since the day this server born. I do not have nothing against "being unique" but do not mention my family because i added hard work on keeping it alive. I didn't went away because server do not have business script and other shits. i need just /L /CB and two cars.
What about "Argonath" itself? Oh yes, be unique staff......
Que, that part doesn't make sense.
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1-Corleone
2-Forlenza
3-Luciano
4-Scotto
5-Hagen
Want me to mention more?
Exactly. That was my point. Be unique.
I'm not telling you to change your groups name, lol. But it's something to think about in the future for others starting up the same rusty names over and over again. It's not hot at all and it lacks creativity.
I'm already planning to open a group but before I do so I need a couple of veterans to help me with leading it.
I think it would be awesome to have bloods/crips in the server to distribute gangs across 'santos. You would then have ballas, gsf, crips, bloods and couple other smaller sets.
GREAT.
Yeah, that would be amazing.
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You missed my point.
Maybe i felt "touched" for being mentioned directly on my name but you must know that nowadays "Soprano" is brand of this server. However i understand very well what you mean and you, you are right. So if i had any knowledge that we will go so far and i will have passion for this community for sure that i would change the name of my faction. To something unique and probably something in Albanian format. But now is very very late. Just for your knowledge i opened Soprano with only two weeks experience in SA:MP so if we judge my past i was new and i learned during my road how things works.
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Why are you guys so offended? Que is right and he is not forcing you to change your names or whatever. Yes, there are groups which have taken names from other games, IRL mafias, movies etc. that have became successful groups, but it's an on-going thing that has to stop because it doesn't look very good if people continue copying things from all those things mentioned. And what Que means is that there have been many new players that have used _Soprano behind their names before the current Sopranos group even opened.
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We need gangs like Ballas (I9) also thar gang you had at East Los Santos =)
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Be unique.
What about "Argonath" itself?
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6-Even Gvardia is not borned from nowhere...
You seem to know something I don't know, lol.
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Until the drug script is being finished, until the changes has been placed in game - it's about time that we step up our creativity, do not do the stereotypic kidnaps and pretty shitty robberies, widen your view and let's do it together to make Argonath a living place again.
These are the top three categories we need to fill in right now, because it's lacking enormously. Roleplay SHOULD NOT even be lacking on a roleplay server. With the ARPD already being worked on, it's up to us criminals and civilians to show what we're made of. Let us make Argonath a better place.
I agree with that. :app:
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You seem to know something I don't know, lol.
I don't know, but Argonath isn't the only place I heard about Gvardia. As name I mean.
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6-Even Gvardia is not borned from nowhere...
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Gvardia+Mafia
Step up people, Los Santos is big and there is room for everyone! :gand:
I think it would be awesome to have bloods/crips in the server to distribute gangs across 'santos. You would then have ballas, gsf, crips, bloods and couple other smaller sets.
Los Santos is not the only city, guys.
Also, I don't think there is any RP in LV.
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I don't know, but Argonath isn't the only place I heard about Gvardia. As name I mean.
If you're talking about other communities, they're all copy-pastas from random people or people who once played on Argonath. Good luck finding a Gvardia group that was opened on another forum before it opened on here.
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i need just /L /CB and two cars.
And roadtrain.
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I miss these Swedish gangs that tried to compete with Svensson... The X-crew and Wakefields! :D
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Why are you guys so offended? Que is right and he is not forcing you to change your names or whatever. Yes, there are groups which have taken names from other games, IRL mafias, movies etc. that have became successful groups, but it's an on-going thing that has to stop because it doesn't look very good if people continue copying things from all those things mentioned. And what Que means is that there have been many new players that have used _Soprano behind their names before the current Sopranos group even opened.
Thank you. This.
Maybe i felt "touched" for being mentioned directly on my name but you must know that nowadays "Soprano" is brand of this server. However i understand very well what you mean and you, you are right. So if i had any knowledge that we will go so far and i will have passion for this community for sure that i would change the name of my faction. To something unique and probably something in Albanian format. But now is very very late. Just for your knowledge i opened Soprano with only two weeks experience in SA:MP so if we judge my past i was new and i learned during my road how things works.
It's lovely that you guys are giving your all to the community and I'm frankly quite happy that you guys do :), but my personal opinion of taking after names from TV series does not change. Keep the good work up, Johan. I like you.
What about "Argonath" itself? Oh yes, be unique staff......
Que, that part doesn't make sense.
If you cannot understand the difference between the server's name and taking Soprano, Escobar and such names out of TV series and make blatant copies of them in game, I'm not really sure we should argue over this. You have to look at this from another perspective.
Once again, I removed these lines and I'm sorry if I offended you. Hopefully we will meet in-game and you can show that I'm wrong. :)
We need gangs like Ballas (I9) also thar gang you had at East Los Santos =)
From what I've heard, there are more new ones incoming. :)
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And what Que means is that there have been many new players that have used _Soprano behind their names before the current Sopranos group even opened.
Is my first time hearing about it and before opening soprano i checked all the archives of topics back in 2011 and never saw any Soprano family. Maybe there were players with Soprano tag or even any Soprano Family but we all know who are the Sopranos of this server. It's like we all know who is the most long standing Luciano of this Server, the one which belongs to Acika. So do not try to give to others the idea that we are moaning im just trying to help our Community friend which have 5 years (or more) activity to recognize and to speak with authority just like he is trying to do.
We didn't failed 3 or 4 groups before opening Soprano, we are here with the first shot. So try to respect my dedication at least not the copied name "soprano". Name doesn't really mate and doesn't makes any difference if players do not have will to play. There we have numerous factions with Unique name and story( okay 1 fast ex: Sforza) tho they are amazing at roleplay but inactive so the whole attention is on groups with Copy Pasta name like Soprano for not being unique.
We are unique the way we would like to.
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Gvardia+Mafi
Click. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Russian+Gvardia#)
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And roadtrain.
Do not attempt to provoke me please, roadtrain is for you not for me. -May moderators delete my comment since is our of topic.
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Click. (https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=Russian+Gvardia&gws_rd=ssl)
You're missing the point, Dennis. Honestly.
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The fact that some of you feel threatened by the slightest hint of criticism is exactly why this server will never change lol.
You're missing the point, Dennis. Honestly.
+1
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Click. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Russian+Gvardia#)
You are so missing the point bro i feel sad for you. Even if you google 'dasfasfasdfhtrgsgbvfds' that is used somewhere and for something....
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You're missing the point, Dennis. Honestly.
As far as you mention us as an example for others, I will miss it.
You are so missing the point bro i feel sad for you. Even if you google 'dasfasfasdfhtrgsgbvfds' that is used somewhere and for something....
Deal with it bro. "somewhere and for something" don't be so sure.
I'm out/done.
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And roadtrain.
Who talks about RoadTrain...
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Is my first time hearing about it and before opening soprano i checked all the archives of topics back in 2011 and never saw any Soprano family. Maybe there were players with Soprano tag or even any Soprano Family but we all know who are the Sopranos of this server. It's like we all know who is the most long standing Luciano of this Server, the one which belongs to Acika. So do not try to give to others the idea that we are moaning im just trying to help our Community friend which have 5 years (or more) activity to recognize and to speak with authority just like he is trying to do.
We didn't failed 3 or 4 groups before opening Soprano, we are here with the first shot. So try to respect my dedication at least not the copied name "soprano". Name doesn't really mate and doesn't makes any difference if players do not have will to play. There we have numerous factions with Unique name and story( okay 1 fast ex: Sforza) tho they are amazing at roleplay but inactive so the whole attention is on groups with Copy Pasta name like Soprano for not being unique.
We are unique the way we would like to.
You my friend are very butthurt right now and are completely trying to miss the point on purpose so you can pull an argument out of your ass about how I'm "claiming that you're moaning". The point is that the server has enough copy-pasta GROUPS and that we don't need anymore, but you continue moaning about your copy-pasta group name because ignorance is blinding you.
Click. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Russian+Gvardia#)
Missing the point completely as people have already mentioned to you, because without googling Gvardia you wouldn't even know where it comes from or what it is. The name has a meaning that you can't find on the internet very easily (you'd have to go through Russian or ex. USSR countries' forums).
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I'm out.
Thanks!
GANGS
We need more gangs! We got Willowfield, Jefferson, El Corona and other places being miserably empty because of the lack of gangs, factions and general interaction.
I frankly reach out to all veterans who's still around - make a group. Show everyone how it's done. We need you the most now.
Anyone that decides to do this can count me in.
It's time to accept our mistakes, time to decide if we really want to stay in a server with a top of 50 to 60 at afternoon and that has an sporadic roleplay activity or if we accept the changes, we start to do things right and we improve the server by ourselves.
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If you will try to join often in game you will see that the name doesn't matter, it's just a tag or just a way to be called. The best thing is to play with tagless groups and i have two months in discussion to change the format of my family in tagles beacause 20 peoples with _Soprano TAG it's not very realistic. But being unique we must be unique in roleplay no just the in name of the faction.
Is very hard to put new creativity in criminal world because some rights are forbidden. So the server is and will be in monotony since SA:MP have 10 years and is being kinda old. The children's of 10 years ago cannot be compared with the children's of today. Children's of today have another games and other occupations, here are left only peoples which are in love with community and for the sake of nostalgia.
Id rather see 1 copy paste name which brings power and interest to community than 1 unique format that disappears in the first moment that the things do not go in their favor.
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As far as you mention us as an example for others, I will miss it.
derp derp derp derp derp derp
I miss these Swedish gangs that tried to compete with Svensson... The X-crew and Wakefields! :D
those where the times :D
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Who talks about RoadTrain...
Yes i was the RT king. but since i joined the real mafia,family,syndicate... i quited trucking because now i have plenty other smarter things to do and to keep myselfe occupied the whole "IG" time.
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Click. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Russian+Gvardia#)
You just proved how original Gvardia is.
Not like it was needed,but thanks.
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To end the name debatte, there's a reason why other communities tend to disallow copy paste group names from TV series, games and so on because they tend to magically open 423223 times a year. It might only be "a name" but it affect the people watching the server list as well as it does affect the standard of the forum.
It was about names, not about people's work. Two completely different things.
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You my friend are very butthurt right now and are completely trying to miss the point on purpose so you can pull an argument out of your ass about how I'm "claiming that you're moaning". The point is that the server has enough copy-pasta GROUPS and that we don't need anymore, but you continue moaning about your copy-pasta group name because ignorance is blinding you.
I remember when you typed the same words as me when you opened Gvardia betting Shop (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=106306.15).
Consider my messages as "butthurt" and "moaning" but please do not attempt to throw away my work only because i copied 1 name. Lack of creativity? Just think how i educated for four years many members and how i keeping them motivated every single day.
Just 1 reminder i do not regret copying one name. But if any new player tries to open new faction do not copy new names, later might suffer those kind of consequences.
If veterans which are trying to remember that time ago were part of this community i wish them good luck and they will have my support in order to help them grow fast and try to get positive vibes. I think that i expressed my opinions.
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To end the name debatte, there's a reason why other communities tend to disallow copy paste group names from TV series, games and so on because they tend to magically open 423223 times a year. It might only be "a name" but it affect the people watching the server list as well as it does affect the standard of the forum.
It was about names, not about people's work. Two completely different things.
I will change the name of Soprano Family if the Community add new rules for Copy Branding along with numerous factions which are copy pasta. I hope new factions do not just Copy-Paste.
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Together we can raise this new era!
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Lets do this.
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I remember when you typed the same words as me when you opened Gvardia betting Shop (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=106306.15).
Your butthurtness is so severe that it's causing you too fully dig into irrelevant things that have nothing to do with the op's content and the message he's trying to bring. But since you're so concerned, the betting shop's "problem" if you may call it, was because of a logo and not a name.
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Together we can raise this new era!
Well said! :)
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Your butthurtness is so severe that it's causing you too fully dig into irrelevant things that have nothing to do with the op's content and the message he's trying to bring. But since you're so concerned, the betting shop's "problem" if you may call it, was because of a logo and not a name.
I'm not against his "message", read well my posts please. So continue considering as "butthurness" while actually i do not care and I'm very proud for what i did and i will continue doing.
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Fellows please, this topic was to discuss better changes for the server not to argue about the Family names.
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So continue considering as "butthurness" while actually i do not care and I'm very proud for what i did and i will continue doing.
Great, I hope it makes you feel better now so that we can look at the big picture.
The server has given too much freedom when it comes to "cosmetic" things, but cosmetic can still be important especially for a roleplay game. For people to continue being more creative, rules must be placed that force players to use the Firstname_Lastname format along with groups that shouldn't be fully copy-pasted from somewhere else. Obviously I'm not implying that we should fully go hardcore RP, but these slight adjustments are needed even for our light RP server.
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Fellows please, this topic was to discuss better changes for the server not to argue about the Family names.
I'm looking forward and it's been a while that i'm waiting for changes. I learned in life that the change must start from our self first, to be spread in successful wave. Instead of writing wall of topics, I wish that classic roleplayers register again the Argonath's IP and start doing the work inside the game. Everyone is welcomed to do so not add conditions to developers which is new anthem: I need business script or i will not join like numerous players did and left community.
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Woohoo, a new era! I definitely agree on the points made here. So far it seems to me GSF is the only street gang that actively role-plays right now. BALLAS is the other street gang that is around, but nowadays I don't see many of them when they are on, and they don't come on often.
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there is a reason why we don't go on chance
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I will take my soul and place it into a new gang. Anyone who would like to get on the train are warmly welcomed.
I'd suggest more people doing the same thing, to get things rolling. It's needed and what Argonath needs to develop.
there is a reason why we don't go on chance
That's about to change.
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I will take my soul and place it into a new gang.
Hit me up with whatever you got going.
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It's nice to see Que willing to involve himself into taking our roleplay standards into a new level!
It's sad on the contrary that only people have this mindset.
Others prefer just to freeroam around, heavily armed, shooting people as soon as they can and farming money.
I hope you can change that, Que.
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Everyone is welcomed to do so not add conditions to developers which is new anthem: I need business script or i will not join like numerous players did and left community.
Can you please name some of them? I am very interested in finding out who is that, so if you could please.
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I hope you can change that, Que.
In one hand I'm very happy that old members are re-coming to make changes, and in other hand I'm to sad that the actual members or leaders never thought about changing's. I never tried to be critic but it's been a long time waiting for reforms, and i wonder how you i9 cyril which you born in a decent gang never thought that street gangs are disappearing and the ones which are left are in crisis. I hope Frank Hawk comes back and brings ballas alive. With new additions of Que on streets gangs there will be 4 of 5 future street gangs.
I will add my personal support and i am with the same path as every loyal member of this community fights to bring quality how it deserves to be. Even if is needed to join personally to one new gang which promise future.
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Hit me up with whatever you got going.
Same , I'm in. I'll be active starting today.
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Excuse me but it's been 4 years rolling so we gave our contribute in this server for good and for bad things(only now lately that we lost the recognized status). Since the day we opened until now that im typing this message we keep constant activity so please... the name may be copied but we have fun with each other okay. Do not forget "Corleone" & "Rock Star", which are alive since the day this server born. I do not have nothing against "being unique" but do not mention my family because i added hard work on keeping it alive. I didn't went away because server do not have business script and other shits. i need just /L /CB and two cars.
You have to understand the thread was not directly aimed at any particular group, yours just happened fall into the category as an example since it's named after a well-known HBO show. It's natural to get defensive when you feel you don't deserve this kind of scrutiny - it's what a good leader does. No one is undermining the work you've put in your group, and the fact you've stuck to it religiously without closing things down shows integrity, a very good quality. What you need to understand is this thread is meant to inspire a proactive search for ways to improve the server, including groups.
We're all judgmental creatures and sometimes appearance is key. You may very well have a group that role-plays on a high level, but the name will always remind people of the show, and if you don't match the mannerisms of the fictional New Jersey mob to a tee (and I mean on point) you simply become a turn-off to anybody who knows his stuff. Even if you are Tony Soprano personified, it will get old eventually because you are putting all your cards on the table and leaving nothing to be discovered. It's not all in the name, but the name counts. It's an inseparable part of it.
And for everyone else, all we want is for you to join us in climbing the proverbial ladder into a new era. If you feel you are not ready yet, that's OK. We're waiting for you right here. And if you are ready, congratulations. Let's give greatness a try.
A group is coming, stay tuned for it.
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And for everyone else, all we want is for you to join us in climbing the proverbial ladder into a new era. If you feel you are not ready yet, that's OK. We're waiting for you right here. And if you are ready, congratulations. Let's give greatness a try.
A group is coming, stay tuned for it.
I hope you understood my reaction but however I'm looking forward for New Era.
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I frankly
Sorry I had to quote that, But good Idea.
We do need more Roleplays, When I ask someone what is he doing their answer is "Chilling.." or "Idk cop duty trucking sometimes" nothing special.
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It's not all about gangs' names, overall. I agree and I'm looking foward about the new era, but i doubt as far as this server is not strict roleplay server. I think there are some reasons that they choised this rp level(current one).
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and in other hand I'm to sad that the actual members or leaders never thought about changing's.
There's a vast difference between never thought about ideas and never implemented ideas as they were shot down and ignored. We have been pushing for change many times in the past.
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The idea is nice, but it will only attract a few veterans who will roleplay around (as a great example to others) and in my opinion that's not what Argonath needs. Argonath needs a gang with a charismatic leader who is able to organise big roleplays for many people, who will teach new players something, rather than a leader who will roleplay with his 2 already experienced friends in front of a bar.
Actually, this isn't anything new. Many gangs were opened in the past without much success. In fact, if im not mistaken, the creator of this topic is the one who opened and led a few gangs. His whole creativity was changing names of a gang and a location, roleplaying with the exact same 2 players the whole time, nothing went sever-wide. Meaning, that he was lacking that creativity his talking about, he didnt find a way to attract more people to his gang(s). If that changes, maybe something moves forward.
I see some hypocrite supporting this whole idea about gangs, creativity, uniqueness, yet he is the one who forced best man for the job out. A man who taught the hypocrite himself to walk, as well as many other players, a man who led the biggest gang on Argonath for years, a man who was capable to organise and lead 30 people, a man named Frank Hawk.
Argonath lacks players and as i said, it needs someone who can make something big.
PS: You can change and make unique gang's names over years and roleplay in front of a bar and Soprano can take a name from a TV show and make massive roleplays. If they attract far more players (keeping the player count) and teach them new stuff then their contribution is far more than yours.
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I will take my soul and place it into a new gang. Anyone who would like to get on the train are warmly welcomed.
I'd suggest more people doing the same thing, to get things rolling. It's needed and what Argonath needs to develop.
Let me know about it.
a man named Frank Hawk.
I have to admit that it would be good to have him back too, but for the short period of time I met Frank in game I just could not see him with the same spirit he used to have before, maybe with these changes it can make a difference. (Unsure if he stills banned)
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The idea is nice, but it will only attract a few veterans who will roleplay around (as a great example to others) and in my opinion that's not what Argonath needs. Argonath needs a gang with a charismatic leader who is able to organise big roleplays for many people, who will teach new players something, rather than a leader who will roleplay with his 2 already experienced friends in front of a bar.
Actually, this isn't anything new. Many gangs were opened in the past without much success. In fact, if im not mistaken, the creator of this topic is the one who opened and led a few gangs. His whole creativity was changing names of a gang and a location, roleplaying with the exact same 2 players the whole time, nothing went sever-wide. Meaning, that he was lacking that creativity his talking about, he didnt find a way to attract more people to his gang(s). If that changes, maybe something moves forward.
I see some hypocrite supporting this whole idea about gangs, creativity, uniqueness, yet he is the one who forced best man for the job out. A man who taught the hypocrite himself to walk, as well as many other players, a man who led the biggest gang on Argonath for years, a man who was capable to organise and lead 30 people, a man named Frank Hawk.
Argonath lacks players and as i said, it needs someone who can make something big.
PS: You can change and make unique gang's names over years and roleplay in front of a bar and Soprano can take a name from a TV show and make massive roleplays. If they attract far more players (keeping the player count) and teach them new stuff then their contribution is far more than yours.
Inferno 9 was one successful group, but that was because they had tremendous roleplayers and it can not be made by one individual. And roleplay to me is not to gather forty player by doing advertisements and spamming cb radio and then walk through the city until the reach a specific destination. Roleplay is neither standing in a line, AFK. Frank Hawk is great, but do not praise him like he was something out of the ordinary. He picked the most crowded place in Los Santos, and ninety five percent of the time it was total chaos around that area, if not all the time. That's not unique and if that's something we should aim for, I rather put this new era development aside and do something else. I do like his passion.
Roleplay is about creating something unique and prominent for many and one of many reasons why the roleplay is quite poor is because the ideas and the ones pushing for a better roleplay experience has been thrown away and been placed under the category: "srsbns roleplayer, do not listen to him/her". As the new leaders are making excellent choices and promoting roleplay for the first time, factions like I once created, like "58th", can roleplay without getting interrupted with some totally fucked up shit made by someone whose intention were something else than roleplay, but let's not talk about that right now.
This is happening:
* white blips
* /mdc
* application form arpd
* finally a new drug script
* new drugs
* weapon dealer
* etcetera etcetera
Which means in general that no more "chase the orange blip"-situations will occur. No more "orange blip in a crowded group let's start shooting"-situations will occur. The drug script will finally give us that vital push that was needed. You can actually earn money by being a weapon dealer, which never happened. The last time I earned money out of guns on Argonath were back in 2009 when I hacked guns and that's like six years ago. The police department are getting their shit together and making it a lot more structured than before, that's something we really needed. The police need to work to catch criminals, and not by chasing them by using /area and just kill them.
You, as a leader, Acika, need to step up. Everyone needs to to their all to the fullest to make this happen. It's not about me or my clique, or you and your family - this is server wide. Great players has left but many are quite interested to return after I told them about the current changes within the SA:MP community. I'm happy to be a part of the change, and I'm certainly going to do everything I can to make things work. But I can't do it alone, so do your best and let's see where we land.
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Frank did nothing but raised noobs with the mindset to whip out the deagle in a verbal disagreement. Can't remember one time entering Idlewood and not making it out alive.
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Frank did nothing but raised noobs with the mindset to whip out the deagle in a verbal disagreement. Can't remember one time entering Idlewood and not making it out alive.
It's not nice to say such things, someone might get offended. Keep in mind that some of them are now great players and some of them are leading the community.
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It's not nice to say such things, someone might get offended. Keep in mind that some of them are now great players and some of them are leading the community.
Yup, those individuals who eventually realised they are too worthy of being a DM soldier for Frank. End the discussion here, don't want to derail the topic.
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Frank and his way of developing factions and their roleplay style can be judged, so can the flaws of ours factions, but his contribution to the server, and the pulse he was giving, is not something anyone can do, or else we would have 10 people like him, and we wouldn't talk about him right now.
I remember Frank since 2008 and the project he ran with Mario Rinna, he was a visionary, enthusiastic, original, big gentleman, with a big understanding of the word 'SPORTSMANSHIP'.
Frank did nothing but raised noobs with the mindset to whip out the deagle in a verbal disagreement. Can't remember one time entering Idlewood and not making it out alive.
Which means he did a good job.
His dedication to new players, that you like criticizing so much left a big positive mark to this community, made alot of good roleplayers and a shitload of quality players. And there's nothing harder to do in this game then being dedicated to new players and developing them into quality players. You felt that few days ago when you tried recruting for Araatus.
How many new players did you raised under your wing until they became quality players?
You got no right to criticize him on that topic.
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Frank did nothing but raised noobs with the mindset to whip out the deagle in a verbal disagreement. Can't remember one time entering Idlewood and not making it out alive.
Don't judge, so you wont be judged back. He introduced many new players who stayed as regulars, he taught them how to play and RP, how many have you taught-mendored? :)
Everything comes from the point of view, the way you interacted with them.. If you kept 'waters' cool, you'd never be shot down, and their style was quite enjoyable.
Personally I miss the RI times, or even the 2009 Stracci-Cuneo-Corleone-Cems-Gvardia-Z-Araatus times, where every gang would unite to roleplay besides just gang war. Endless fun!
Edit: Did not see Cofi also replied to you, but as you can see our point with Cofi is the same. You can not criticize things you do not even know about..
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We need a daily 150 online players like argo had two years ago. (Call your IRL g's yo)
And more RP and less trucking.
Unfortunately we can't do nothing against it (which is understandable) since everyone needs money to get their properties, weaponary, etc.. But it makes everyone going to truck instead of RP... It's not being lazy or something but most of our members are here since 2009 and they've already worked a lot.
About the drug system.. Heroin? No-one buys it, weed? It used to be 75pg at RS4 now? 45 per gram. I repeat myself ''is not being lazy'' BUT it will just make everyone works more instead of roleplay.
Why there is no lotto anymore ?
More $prizes events.
We need to improve the roleplay scenes.
Also there is many difference between some admins actions. I mean Admin A has a different opinion of Admin B and it makes a lot of players being ''scared'' to roleplay as they used to 2 years ago, because they don't want to be banned. We need more freedom.. Of course not rulebreaking example: Player A shoots Player B; Player B shoots Player A back; Player A is warned for DM. If Player B shoots back let them fight each other and solve their problems instead of constant warn them.
But that's quite inconstant there are many different opinions and a lot of issues to solve. It will be hard to get the Old School ArgonathRPG back, but we could try it out... Together. I'm in.
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Well, like you guys noticed SAPD will be application only and i'm sure you will get enough chances to get a clean and enjoyable roleplay from the police side as the SAPD Training will be focused allot on roleplay, and perfectly acting an officer of the law.
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focused allot on roleplay, and perfectly acting an officer of the law.
about time :)
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An idea about the suggestion to make firstname_lastname a requirement;
-Maybe the new players that joins the community, should be allowed to register with what ever name they pick(even with examples such as; GLA0ZKRIMINAL), and they can hold on to it for a while, lets say 7 days when they usual go on a passport test.
After they pass the test, the examiner would ask them what name would they like to have in their new citizenship, by the form of firstname_lastname, and when they choose it, they would get a free namechange to do it.
Aslo names such as "Edward." should be allowed and acceptable.
We need a daily 150 online players like argo had two years ago
After the reform is done, and most of the needed scripts that we've all talked about here are developed, this should be our next goal as a community. Which has an easy solution.
A question to Devin and the rest of HQ;
What does it take to put Argonath back on hosted list?
Same question about offical list?
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Aslo names such as "Edward." should be allowed and acceptable.
Where and how do you draw the line of what's allowed there, though?
If using only a firstname, would a nickname be allowed, would "odd"/not real name be allowed?
I think it's pretty hard to judge what's what when it comes to such additions. It's hard to draw a straight line.
A question to Devin and the rest of HQ;
What does it take to put Argonath back on hosted list?
Same question about offical list?
And in addition to this and what I asked over Skype as well:
When exactly are we going to see the changes and script updates? How far away are we?*
It would be good to know, since many are wondering and it will be easier to plan the upcoming groups.
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I keep on reading the same phrase on many topics... "like it used to be". We finally have a bridge between the players and the server. We should forget the past and who did what and finally properly focus in the future, and what the heroes will do. We do not need to get like we were... we did that, we got the medal, focus on a new goal. Aim higher. So that even a faillure is high enough. Cheers to a future were ideas keep on being heard, implemented, and tested enough to be good. I hope that we'll manage to get the right changes with the first shot!
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I keep on reading the same phrase on many topics... "like it used to be". We finally have a bridge between the players and the server. We should forget the past and who did what and finally properly focus in the future, and what the heroes will do. We do not need to get like we were... we did that, we got the medal, focus on a new goal. Aim higher. So that even a faillure is high enough. Cheers to a future were ideas keep on being heard, implemented, and tested enough to be good. I hope that we'll manage to get the right changes with the first shot!
:app:
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It's time for the new era boys.
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What does it take to put Argonath back on hosted list?
Same question about offical list?
Requires a payment, that's all I know.
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A question to Devin and the rest of HQ;
What does it take to put Argonath back on hosted list?
Same question about offical list?
€21 for 31 days on the Hosted Tab.
When exactly are we going to see the changes and script updates? How far away are we?*
It would be good to know, since many are wondering and it will be easier to plan the upcoming groups.
@Teddy will be more suitable to answer that question.
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€21 for 31 days on the Hosted Tab.
I can sponsor that for a month.
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We have mafias, hundreds of active and inactive ones. We have a few gangs(I think?) and some clans. What we don't have is legal businesses(three exist so far, but none making a difference in terms of roleplay IMO). I would love to see a corrupt business, such as a security group paying mobsters and gangsters to harass civilians so they can get customers. This interaction between players is the purpose of this topic.
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I can sponsor that for a month.
I got fired yesterday otherwise I would of payed for a month too.
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I can sponsor that for a month.
After we have proper scripts we should think about expanding the playerbase..
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After we have proper scripts we should think about expanding the playerbase..
Yes, of course. I'm holding two (!) new groups on hold until the changes are happening.
But when that happen, I'm more than happy to pay for a month.
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I can sponsor that for a month.
Count me also.
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I'm so glad Que has been able to inspire so many people for the better. I'll always be around to support and be a part of such 'projects', as long as their goal is making an improvement. The feedback on this topic started with the typical arguements because of the ego of some people (don't be offended, everyone has it) but the key is not priorizing it higher than the goal we all have set.
Keep on this track and let stupid arguements aside, and I'm sure we'll improve our community.
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Where and how do you draw the line of what's allowed there, though?
If using only a firstname, would a nickname be allowed, would "odd"not real name be allowed?
I think it's pretty hard to judge what's what when it comes to such additions. It's hard to draw a straight line.
It is hard, but forcing the surname rule on Argonath is not gonna be easy/possible over night. It should be the new trend, and it should be the rule, specially on the new players like I suggested, but we gotta make some sorts of exceptions as a compromise to the big amount players who needs time to adapt the change.
And by my suggestion, only real names, nothing else.
€21 for 31 days on the Hosted Tab.
Is there some discount if you purchase it for like 6 months or w/e?
What about requirements for offical list?
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What about requirements for offical list?
Official list no longer exists, was replaced with Hosted tab.
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Is there some discount if you purchase it for like 6 months or w/e?
What about requirements for offical list?
game-mp.com sells them for $9/month, but you need a registered which you could only make during 2011(they are full on accounts, no more registers accepted). 21 USD/Euro is the cheapest you'd probably find.
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Official list no longer exists, was replaced with Hosted tab.
Didn't even noticed lol, thanks for the answer.
game-mp.com sells them for $9/month, but you need a registered which you could only make during 2011(they are full on accounts, no more registers accepted). 21 USD/Euro is the cheapest you'd probably find.
Argonath was offical/hosted around that time(not sure was it 2011 but ye), which means we were registered back then, maybe our registration still counts, even tho we didn't use it for a while?
Anyway the hosted list, is a subject only and when the scripts and rules are reformed and done, useless doing it prior to that.
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game-mp.com sells them for $9/month, but you need a registered which you could only make during 2011(they are full on accounts, no more registers accepted). 21 USD/Euro is the cheapest you'd probably find.
They have increased the price to lower the amount of servers, it's €15/month right now..
I got a Game-mp.com account so I would be able to purchase hosting listing for Argonath.. Might do it too, not now though..
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We got at least five persons wanting to pay for at least a month. Fantastic!
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About the drug system.. Heroin? No-one buys it, weed? It used to be 75pg at RS4 now? 45 per gram.
I guess you have short memory.
In RS4, the weed used to have a very low price (less than 20pg) then it was raised by players.
I guess people don't understand that drug market in RS5 is only there to be used when you have huge quantity and don't know what to do with it anymore.
It remplaces Managers buying it.
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then it was raised by players.
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I guess people don't understand that drug market in RS5 is only there to be used when you have huge quantity and don't know what to do with it anymore.
The current drug system worked and continue working, but have few defects. First, the price of heroin. Second the roll of the prices.
The price of heroin is ridiculous and the mistake from script is that: They gave permissions to all criminal groups (active, inactive which in system are numerous). So each criminal group have their prices but only recognized groups have permission to sell to market. The logic of giving prices in market to groups which cannot use market is wrong, so their solution was to favorize the recognized groups with higher prices and rolling between only recognized groups(or official groups in that time).
Example: Corleone - Weed 38$/gram, Jefferson Crips - Weed 49$/gram.
Why should "JC" has the price 49$/gram without access on market (!?)
However this is the past but the new scripts will take time to be written. During this time may this current drug script be fixed and give high prices only to recognized groups and roll prices only for recognized groups which can sell in market. We are being forced to prepare cash in non criminal way lately.
From my personal experience; we collected the whole weed of the server and each weekend we were selling minimum 10 kg. When we had low price in market, we bought lower from customers, when we had higher we used to buy higher from customers.
It remplaces Managers buying it.
Yes it does, you are right with this statement :lol:
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I guess you have short memory.
In RS4, the weed used to have a very low price (less than 20pg) then it was raised by players.
I guess people don't understand that drug market in RS5 is only there to be used when you have huge quantity and don't know what to do with it anymore.
It remplaces Managers buying it.
I invite you to check my logs in relation with "Drug Market" before you make such of statements that: "people don't understand that drug market in RS 5 is only there to be used when you have huge quantity". The drug market was working perfectly but what Johan told that the rolling of the prices wasn't fair. However few weeks before losing our status(which means our access on drug market) we had pretty good prices but ...
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Prices are random.
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Prices are random.
Yes, are random, im not saying that prices are focused for any special group, my point is: Why should groups that cannot sell in market have the privilege of having prices when they cannot make use of it. They cannot simply use the cmd /selltomarket while they have prices higher then groups that can sell...
but ...
:lol:
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Prices are random.
Some groups seem to have much more random prices than others. AoD never had a price better than $32, months and months passed. We were told to fuck off when we tried to deal, because other groups always had around 40-50$ at times. So I'd suggest a second look at the script.
But let me keep it on topic. I hope this actually works out, as many attempts such as this one have happened in the past. So far I've only seen veterans and group leaders praise the new approach to things, which I can only support...Yet again, what happens with the new players? How can we make -them- roleplay, when they freeroam all day? How can we find a way to sponsor group leaders/corporation CEOs etc. to pay for Roleplay tasks, without having to truck 24/7 for weeks in order to run their business?
And the thing about the names...It really isn't necessary to force the Firstname_Lastname thing. Perhaps having a -decent- name, yeah. But forcing this will sooner or later lead to forcing of realistic only names, which leads to forbidding celebrity names etc. Which takes away from the Freedom of Roleplay that Argonath has.
Increase the Roleplay among players, but do not -limit- it. That's the charm of Argoanth, and that's what kept me from moving to srs-RP servers through the years. You can be whoever you want, whenever you want - just RP it.
PS:
PS: You can change and make unique gang's names over years and roleplay in front of a bar and Soprano can take a name from a TV show and make massive roleplays. If they attract far more players (keeping the player count) and teach them new stuff then their contribution is far more than yours.
... to the unban section where you belong.
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You ignorant people should take to time to re-read Acika's post, because it doesn't say what you think it says.
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You ignorant people should take to time to re-read Acika's post, because it doesn't say what you think it says.
Practice what you preach.
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Practice what you preach.
He's implying that you can either make a unique faction or copy it from somewhere else, and in this case he used Sopranos as an example. He stated that if Sopranos are contributing more rather than this "unique group" then it's the better group and that the uniqueness really doesn't matter.
You guys should read before you go directly flaming and provoking for no reason.
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I heard some rummors that there are people who buy weed on 51/g, but market never reached more than 44/g(maybe a bit more). Can someone clear me?
Anyway, the "uniqe" thing, doesnt matter.'
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I heard some rummors that there are people who buy weed on 51/g, but market never reached more than 44/g(maybe a bit more). Can someone clear me?
Last time I checked the market, it was on $48/g
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Fuck off to the unban section where you belong.
Hello Handsome ! Long time no see :rofl:
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The way this topic went retarded.
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Acika had very good arguments in his reply and that's something I always appreciate. :)
Anyway, the "uniqe" thing, doesnt matter.'
While we have answers like this from someone who doesn't even know what I'm pointing at.
Being unique is something that everyone should be in their roleplay, whether it's a group kind of thing, or just being unique in the character you are playing. The big issue we had for a long time with the groups in general is that people tend to open and reopen the typical genre of a mafia family while the server is lacking enormously of unique companies and stabile street gangs. The unique thing I pointed out was something that I feel is a big issue, and being so paralysed that you cannot come up with a better name that something that is copied from a TV serie or another game is for me quite pathetic. But that's my PERSONAL OPINION. If people like to do that, it's up to them - but I, as one, cannot take it seriously. That's also why other communities disallow celebrity names, TV serie groups and so on. It can be based of it, but it shouldn't be a copy paste, which it is when you just attempt to do what someone else's did etcetera etcetera.
The point I wanted to make: I would love to see people more willing to stick out their chin and go against the stream, benefit another type of group and make it to provide the server and the community with something new. That was my point, to be frank. It had nothing to do with someone's name in general, but it just points out how basic the shit is here. And that's something we need to re-create and re-establish.
I hope my lines came out better now.
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He's implying that you can either make a unique faction or copy it from somewhere else, and in this case he used Sopranos as an example. He stated that if Sopranos are contributing more rather than this "unique group" then it's the better group and that the uniqueness really doesn't matter.
You guys should read before you go directly flaming and provoking for no reason.
You missed entirely what my point was. I didn't even say anything about him. :)
Can't say I'm surprised.
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You missed entirely what my point was. I didn't even say anything about him. :)
Can't say I'm surprised.
Well you meant something, but either way, I bet it wasn't related to the op's post.
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Well you meant something, but either way, I bet it wasn't related to the op's post.
It actually was. :)
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Ok, can you tell me what you except from all those groups too say now?
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I heard some rummors that there are people who buy weed on 51/g
True.
but market never reached more than 44/g(maybe a bit more).
Not true, you should know better.
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Not true, you should know better.
Whatever, but It never became 51/g...
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Seems people have lost the plot of this topic, it's not a discussion about drug prices.
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Ok, back to the positive side of this new era:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CShR5ZtKkbA
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how u do this que :cop:
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Man's never been in Argonath when it's shutdown eh? Trusss me dadi.
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That's sick.
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Ok, back to the positive side of this new era:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CShR5ZtKkbA
I'm pretty sure that would get you a ban for DM if it was in main server :cry: even though it shouldn't.
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I'm pretty sure that would get you a ban for DM if it was in main server :cry: even though it shouldn't.
Not if you have a roleplay reason ;)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ih0ujFencg
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Anyone remember "Star Wars Galaxies"? The only MMORPG that focused on role play (at least at the beginning before Sony took over and turned into a shitty game)
Most of the things were made by players and sold by players. Even the cities were made by players. People made their shops and stood there and others came to buy from them.
What I mean is - and I know it would be hard to implement and even harder to make players get used to- make people produce the items themselves and sell them. Make people get hungry and if they want to eat, they need to eat it at a restaurant. So we'll have farmers who produce the food, truckers who deliver the food to the restaurants, chefs who prepare the food, waiters who deliver the foods to the people.
Or weapon factories ran by players so players will produce the weapons and sell them to ammunations, where it's sold by other players.
I think these examples are enough to get my point. This would make a great improvement on economics system at least.
But in Argonath we used to not need any of these, whenever a restaurant, a bar or any kind of place were opened, people used to go there and RP any of these stuff without need of a script, all we needed was /me and maybe some anims. I remember back in 2007 or 2008, when Dragons yakuza was active, whenever the "Dragons Bistro" was open at Bay side, people used to drive there and everyone role played there. When I was Jack_Dragons, I remember a lot of people working at the kitchen, waiters serving people (one of them was myself).
Or when I was Jack_Stracci, we had a hotel and people used to come and stay there just for the sake of role playing.
These are just only a few examples of what we used to do in Argonath.
I know this seems like nostalgia, but these were the things made me play Argonath more than anything else. Now I don't even know what people do in Argonath.
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stop quoting what everyone else says directly after they post, a high postammount doesn't give you a bigger penis irl
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stop quoting what everyone else says directly after they post, a high postammount doesn't give you a bigger penis irl
That's the simplest way to agree with something.
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Anyone remember "Star Wars Galaxies"? The only MMORPG that focused on role play (at least at the beginning before Sony took over and turned into a shitty game)
Most of the things were made by players and sold by players. Even the cities were made by players. People made their shops and stood there and others came to buy from them.
What I mean is - and I know it would be hard to implement and even harder to make players get used to- make people produce the items themselves and sell them. Make people get hungry and if they want to eat, they need to eat it at a restaurant. So we'll have farmers who produce the food, truckers who deliver the food to the restaurants, chefs who prepare the food, waiters who deliver the foods to the people.
Or weapon factories ran by players so players will produce the weapons and sell them to ammunations, where it's sold by other players.
I think these examples are enough to get my point. This would make a great improvement on economics system at least.
But in Argonath we used to not need any of these, whenever a restaurant, a bar or any kind of place were opened, people used to go there and RP any of these stuff without need of a script, all we needed was /me and maybe some anims. I remember back in 2007 or 2008, when Dragons yakuza was active, whenever the "Dragons Bistro" was open at Bay side, people used to drive there and everyone role played there. When I was Jack_Dragons, I remember a lot of people working at the kitchen, waiters serving people (one of them was myself).
Or when I was Jack_Stracci, we had a hotel and people used to come and stay there just for the sake of role playing.
These are just only a few examples of what we used to do in Argonath.
I know this seems like nostalgia, but these were the things made me play Argonath more than anything else. Now I don't even know what people do in Argonath.
You make a solid point, and you're right. Looking back 8-7 years ago, most of the players were fine with the script as it is and didn't care much about advancement. The question is why? We know there's a lot of variables at play here, age and maturity possibly playing a role. Eight years ago, you were 14, I was 13, Que was a little older at 17 and the majority of veterans/players (excluding the owners) who are still here were in that age group. We were teenagers with a different mindset, we were too young to judge, and as we developed we began to think differently. It's a natural part of growth.
Another likely reason is the general advancement of the clients/servers at the time. I started out in 2008 on MTA:VC and I don't recall there being anything other than /me. The whole environment was closed and the script was a very superficial mIRC one. You're forever stuck as either a sailor, robber or a cop. Did I have fun there? Sure I did, it was the best multiplayer experience I had at the time. Would I still enjoy roleplaying there like before? Sadly not, because I found far better options to suit my style.
The Truth is, people's tastes change and that includes their gaming preferences. Would we like it if the old car system (where barely any vehicle of the same model was owned) came back? Probably not. Why would we? We can own any car now; it would be silly to go back. The same goes for other script improvements.
You can't recognize the server to be the way it was anymore because that's how it should be. We've been following a cycle of progress, although subtle, since day 1. Right now we're at a point where a large majority of the members prefer a more serious approach to improving the script in regards to roleplay, hence the new drug scripts and the change to a more controlled SAPD. The management is also taking an active part in the changes, with more to come. The transition is in increments, because going too forward too quick might overwhelm the players since these are major changes, but what I most certain would be a mistake is going backwards. We can never do that.
Onwards and upwards.
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Let's see.
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Ok, back to the positive side of this new era:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CShR5ZtKkbA
I'm pretty sure that would get you a ban for DM if it was in main server :cry: even though it shouldn't.
This.
Not if you have a roleplay reason ;)
Yeah you would.
Every roleplay reason is being called 'not good enough'. Basicly if you didn't get shot, you can't open fire or else ban with a review for a month and the question do you understand our rules. And that's if an admin would actually ask you do you have a roleplay reason, cause most of the time they would instantly ban you cause you didn't had 'roleplay interaction prior to shooting', as shown in the video.(they open'd fire on the rival gang without a word right)
This is a big problem that needs to discussed, and set exact rules on combat.
Because people are bad girling and using the word 'DMing' too much, its being over used, most of shootouts that happens between groups are being put into that category, and admins are literally looking for any small detail that's missing, to use as a reason to ban.
Making fun of reasons such as: "hur dur he shot my member i go kill him with my boys" done by admins, isn't really helping either, because you might not like it, but that's more then a valid roleplay reason to actually do it.
Cause that's how things work in real life among criminal groups.And that should be the only way of judging is something a DMing or not.
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Ok, back to the positive side of this new era:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CShR5ZtKkbA
Looks like it was all a set up between both sides, like you/they were expecting the shootout. Could've been nice if it was spontaneous.
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Looks like it was all a set up between both sides, like you/they were expecting the shootout. Could've been nice if it was spontaneous.
Its a video, so yeah, but as you can see from the video the gang that got jumped wasn't really expecting the shootout, they were chilling around, fixing car and shit. :D
One more add up to my previous reply: If you can't handle being jumped by your rivals, you shouldn't be a criminal.
Be a regular citizen who's gonna call cops when he's getting attacked by someone, or be a cop.
Not spam the admins with 'OMG THEY ARE DMING ME COME FAST BAN BAN BAN'. This kind of guys should be punished for false reporting, and admins that are judging most of the things as DMing, should get taught to make a difference.
Because alot of them used to do the same while they weren't admins, so they think that's the criteria to call something Dming.
Of course, they must have a roleplay reason, or if not, a roleplay interaction before doing it, and admins should only look out on returning after death, or some bug abuse (c-bugging, aimbots, re-healing in combat etc).
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Couldnt agree more with Cofi about the whole interpretation of DM and combat situations.
Here's my experience. In 2010, when i created my family, we were like 7-8 and we were daily attacked by three big mafias (Corleone, Sforza, Ancelotti) who were united against my group at the time and my group was on it's own, no allies. Stronger groups, united, were attempting to shut down newly created ones which can be considered bad for the server itself. They failed in their intentions and they were all defeated on the end, but many groups didnt survive their demonstration of force. When someone got stronger than them they started bad girling around how it's all DM.
Because of that experience i have never attacked newly created groups, i was there to help them. Most importantly i have invented a rule for my family - "Never attack first" which was applied on my biggest enemies too. Meaning that when i was attacking i always had a roleplay reason.
For better future of Argonath, it's important to discuss that. Everything is called DM and most of those things are not even DM. Admins should follow a rule (which has to be created) when judging the situation, not to explicate combat situation as they want, often being very biased.
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Let's not forget 80% of the death matching on the server is death matching, which also led to everyone crying because they were killed five times earlier during that hour because of someone having a trololol-time on TS with his friends or someone who didn't even know this was a roleplay server.
I do get the point of yours, but remember that the amount of killing and non-characteristic gameplay is the reason behind it all. No one gives a fuck about themselves and they are unafraid of everything which leads to the super cocky attitude. If we would straighten up shit, less death matching will occur, and then once another rival gang/family attacks one another, it wouldn't be such an annoying and mood destroying shootout.
For example: Inferno 9 were our (58th) sworn enemy and it always came to that point when the attacks hit approximately 25 times a day and it was not what you expect of a gang war. You do expect to get into shootouts and brawls, but it should be decently good for both parts and not blatant DM just because you are bored.
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Not if you have a roleplay reason ;)
If you interact just like in video you would get punished even if you have very strong roleplay reason: i'm speaking from personal experience that we've got punished for this typical shootout, not only go there and shoot, but even informing the enemy that they will be punished for plenty reasons.
In main server works like this: we are obligated to have long long conversations, doing around 40 commands of /me, transport the situation in another place and probably if we both(groups) do not find any possible agreement to not go further in violence, the brawl is legalized and we can shoot. Otherwise if we act like in video we will be punished for lack of roleplay before shoot out or simply DM.
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In main server works like this: we are obligated to have long long conversations, doing around 40 commands of /me, transport the situation in another place and probably if we both(groups) do not find any possible agreement to not go further in violence, the brawl is legalized and we can shoot. Otherwise if we act like in video we will be punished for lack of roleplay before shoot out or simply DM.
Yeah we made it so you must use /me forty times and talk for twenty minutes before you can do anything. No we just changed the rules so people are obligated to roleplay at every opportunity not run away like a dick when approached or instantly shooting when a cop pulls you over. Players wanted that changed, so it happened.
As for the video, me myself I wouldn't mind gang shit happens or used to happen like that around here. If no one from then going to complain then I ain't going to bother myself with trouble. Have fun onto next person to spectate.
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Off-topic posts have been cleared, this is not the place to have a jab at staff nor is it appreciated when people are here trying to make a difference.
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Yeah we made it so you must use /me forty times and talk for twenty minutes before you can do anything. No we just changed the rules so people are obligated to roleplay at every opportunity not run away like a dick when approached or instantly shooting when a cop pulls you over. Players wanted that changed, so it happened.
As for the video, me myself I wouldn't mind gang shit happens or used to happen like that around here. If no one from then going to complain then I ain't going to bother myself with trouble. Have fun onto next person to spectate.
If no one complains for sure that you would even know what's going on because other problems will occur in another side of the city which need your support. But the actual mindset is that no one accepts to lose so there always will be moanings.
Regarding to "cops" and "being sniped for refusal of ticket" I will be patient for new reforms of SAPD and after will revert with one comment. If i speak now about cops we might go again out off topic, but since we are hoping for "new era" me and everyone must wait for transition which is meant to come naturally after everyone's effort.
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No we just changed the rules so people are obligated to roleplay at every opportunity not run away like a dick when approached or instantly shooting when a cop pulls you over. Players wanted that changed, so it happened.
As for the video, me myself I wouldn't mind gang shit happens or used to happen like that around here. If no one from then going to complain then I ain't going to bother myself with trouble. Have fun onto next person to spectate.
That's also a problem, sportsmanship. But we can't relay and risk being banned if a rival who got mad for dying gonna be a sportsman or not. Even the mature, veteran, and awesome roleplayers, can be crying a river and spaming the admin pm, even tho he got no right to do that.
I don't know who's the players who wanted the changed, but I understand their perspective, and probably frustraition, cause alot of people were being triggerhappy and just went in wars 10 times per day, without any real roleplay reason.
So I think there should be some 'middle', compromise solution set by rules, that wouldn't suffocate criminal shootouts and roleplay in general among criminals, nor would allow people to plain DM 24/7 without any reason.
Maybe the solution is in having a roleplay reason as a needed condition(basicly continuing the roleplay that was triggered earlier), or, if there's none, then having a decent roleplay interaction prior to shooting(starting a new roleplay ).
Basicly, one of this conditions=Legit situation. Not requiring both conditions to make it legit.