Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => Topic started by: Eps_Smalls on July 05, 2015, 12:10:10 am
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Hello,
About 3 months ago I was banned from using the forum for the following reason:
It says "Provocative avatar for the 3rd time - Think about how you may hurt others and think about spreading information related to items like these."
This is the picture I used as my avatar which someone thought it was provocative:
That's right, it's a picture of the emblem that The Kosovo Liberation Army uses. How is this exactly provocative and "Think about how you may hurt others and think about spreading information related to items like these."... what ??? What information are you talking about and how is this hurting anyone ?
Can someone please explain to me what this is all about ? Or is it just another bullshit that some people here in argo are happy to bring up.
The reason I made this topic is because I want a straight and honest answer from the admin/mod who banned me.
Thank you.
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That "UCK" group,killed a lot of macedonian people for NOTHING,so YES you can hurt someone,and put this picture at your PC and enjoy.
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I still dont see something provocative.
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The reason I made this topic is because I want a straight and honest answer from the admin/mod who banned me.
Why don't you PM him(the admin) instead of making such topics?
:)
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I've seen "Kosovo is Serbia" signatures a few times (one of them still has it, but he hasn't been active for like a year), yet forum punishments were never given.
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Fact is ... that a shitload of things can provoke someone. Names, countries, pictures, acronyms, you name it. I am not sure if someone should get punished for using them, as you can't know what's really provocative and what isn't. I'm a dick, I could be so weird to get provoked from everything, how could a random admin protect me from that? And ye, there is a weird thing that provokes me.
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I get provoked and hurt from admins that ban for that, can someone please ban them ?
I don't see nothing provocative.
That "UCK" group,killed a lot of macedonian people for NOTHING,so YES you can hurt someone,and put this picture at your PC and enjoy.
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That "UCK" group,killed a lot of macedonian people for NOTHING,so YES you can hurt someone,and put this picture at your PC and enjoy.
What are you talking about? Also it's not a group, it's the name that the army of my country used a few years ago.
Why don't you PM him(the admin) instead of making such topics?
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There wasn't any name shown in the ban description. Also, I wanted to see other people's opinion on this bullshit.
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To me, the second part of the reason explains it perfectly, in one word it's called "prevention" which helps.
It does tell you to think about it, doesn't it. ;)
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Same is happening with me
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I hope a lot of people gets offended now when I post the emblem of the Swedish Army!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Arm%C3%A9n_vapen_bra.svg/2000px-Arm%C3%A9n_vapen_bra.svg.png)
But serious, this forum is more moderated than many others, be careful! :D
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I fail to see the reason you are even asking about why you were banned.
It should be obvious enough that some people can take offence to that avatar in regards to the action of those related to that symbol.
This is the internet and there are loads of people that would find a reason for anything to be offensive towards them, but given the history related to that symbol it should be obvious enough.
And you were more than likely banned by Brian.
The same would go for using nazi symbols in your avatar.
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I hope a lot of people gets offended now when I post the emblem of the Swedish Army!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Arm%C3%A9n_vapen_bra.svg/2000px-Arm%C3%A9n_vapen_bra.svg.png)
But serious, this forum is more moderated than many others, be careful! :D
As the Swedish army has not killed a person even by accident for the last 100 years I doubt if anyone will be offended....
On topic: We try to be careful with political things, and you should not attempt to alienate those from other viewpoints as yourself.
While you may feel your army has done good, at the same time thousands lost their family and friends because of it. Those are not very happy to see such emblem.
I would not fly the Russian flag to Ukrainians, regardless of my position on the conflict. Build bridges and try to understand those who you consider enemies. You will find they can be more close friends as anyone sharing your initial thoughts, even if you may not agree in all points.
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While you may feel your army has done good, at the same time thousands lost their family and friends because of it. Those are not very happy to see such emblem.
:app:
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This is the internet
Exactly, you can't stop someone from displaying their passion for their country or whatever over the internet.. But because we have to draw a line somewhere, KKK and organisations like that should be banned no doubt.
And you were more than likely banned by Brian.
Yeah.. can someone deal with this already?
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i myself repored u for similliar pictures. no need for political posts.
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Exactly, you can't stop someone from displaying their passion for their country or whatever over the internet.. But because we have to draw a line somewhere, KKK and organisations like that should be banned no doubt.
If people find it offensive then don't do it, simple as that. Even if you don't see anything wrong with the image or whatever you are displaying from your perspective.
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If people find it offensive then don't do it, simple as that. Even if you don't see anything wrong with the image or whatever you are displaying from your perspective.
What if I say your avatar is offensive? I'm a cat lover and don't like people putting accessories on them..
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We had this type of topic a few years ago. About religiously offensive avatars, there was no outcome from that one so I don't really see this one shining bright. Should be given the same answer IMO, if it's offending you, you use adblock on it.
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As the Swedish army has not killed a person even by accident for the last 100 years I doubt if anyone will be offended....
You never know! :rolleyes:
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Hope my avatar doesn't offend anyone. If so, consult a doctor.
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As the Swedish army has not killed a person even by accident for the last 100 years I doubt if anyone will be offended....
On topic: We try to be careful with political things, and you should not attempt to alienate those from other viewpoints as yourself.
While you may feel your army has done good, at the same time thousands lost their family and friends because of it. Those are not very happy to see such emblem.
I would not fly the Russian flag to Ukrainians, regardless of my position on the conflict. Build bridges and try to understand those who you consider enemies. You will find they can be more close friends as anyone sharing your initial thoughts, even if you may not agree in all points.
Well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85dalen_shootings
Huehue
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This is the internet and there are loads of people that would find a reason for anything to be offensive towards them, but given the history related to that symbol it should be obvious enough.
The same would go for using nazi symbols in your avatar.
What history are you talking about ? You clearly don't know what you're saying, it's an army, it protected the people in my country. How is it offensive to anyone ?
And how come you're comparing them with the nazis. Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you ?
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i myself repored u for similliar pictures. no need for political posts.
So if you set your country's army emblem as your avatar you should get banned ? Is that your logic in that report ? What's wrong with worshipping your country's army and being a little bit patriotic?
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The reason of the removal is very simple and should be done with any religious/political content on the forums or anywhere in Argonath for that matter.
Argonath is not a place for political/religious debate. Simply keep it out of here!
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The reason of the removal is very simple and should be done with any religious/political content on the forums or anywhere in Argonath for that matter.
Argonath is not a place for political/religious debate. Simply keep it out of here!
I agree but why did it happen only to me ? I've seen thousands of other people's flags ,army emblems and other nation and religion related things as their avatars but none of them has ever gotten banned, not even warned, just ignored. This is pure bullshit imo.
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I agree but why did it happen only to me ? I've seen thousands of other people's flags ,army emblems and other nation and religion related things as their avatars but none of them has ever gotten banned, not even warned, just ignored. This is pure bullshit imo.
Report it to a moderator? :uhm:
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I agree but why did it happen only to me ? I've seen thousands of other people's flags ,army emblems and other nation and religion related things as their avatars but none of them has ever gotten banned, not even warned, just ignored. This is pure bullshit imo.
You have a choice. Either be here and follow the instructions given or go elsewhere.
If that is bullshit to you, good bye and good riddens.
As for why, check this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army#Status_as_a_terrorist_group
You may not agree with what it says, but there are too many who do agree.
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Is my avatar provocative to the developer team ?
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Your avatar you are using now is same Provocative. @Eps_Smalls
You know it is.
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Your avatar you are using now is same Provocative.
You know it is.
No, that's just two flags.
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Let's not further derail this topic and let board administrators handle any provocative or rulebreaking content.
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You have a choice. Either be here and follow the instructions given or go elsewhere.
If that is bullshit to you, good bye and good riddens.
As for why, check this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army#Status_as_a_terrorist_group
You may not agree with what it says, but there are too many who do agree.
I did follow the "instructions" but none said don't post emblems of your country's army.
Yeah, it's considered as a terrorist group by Milloshevic, who was accused for war crimes and massive genocide, the state he lead was also bombed by NATO to stop the massacres happening to other nations. Such a good f**cking arguement you got in there.
Your avatar you are using now is same Provocative. @Eps_Smalls
You know it is.
How is it provocative ? It's just two flags of two separate countries.
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I did follow the "instructions" but none said don't post emblems of your country's army.
Yeah, it's considered as a terrorist group by Milloshevic, who was accused for war crimes and massive genocide, the state he lead was also bombed by NATO to stop the massacres happening to other nations. Such a good f**cking arguement you got in there.
How is it provocative ? It's just two flags of two separate countries.
If you would read properly it says that it is also considered a terrorist group by Bill Clinton.
Of course he also is known for bombing the sh*t out of countries...
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While you may feel your army has done good, at the same time thousands lost their family and friends because of it. Those are not very happy to see such emblem.
But why is this emblem being given a special treatment? We've seen many provocative things on the forums, such as communist symbols and what-not which are very provocative to some people and nothing has been done against them.
We've seen Putin and Stalin being used as avatars, which many find provocative. We've seen many "Kosovo is Serbia" avatars and signatures, yet they were never removed, but now this is being given special treatment for some reason... On the internet you see many things you may not like, this emblem is one of them and you're not being forced to like it, so because you have to cry a river every time you see it is your own personal problem.
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If you would read properly it says that it is also considered a terrorist group by Bill Clinton.
Of course he also is known for bombing the sh*t out of countries...
UCK fought against Milloshevic who tried to capture Kosovo but failed. It was an army raised by some great minds to fight the people who massacred thousands of innocent people. If Bill Clinton says they're a terrorist group, that doesn't mean they are a terrorist group, it's just how some people see it from their perspective.
There is no way for you to know more about UCK then me or any other albanian. Wikipedia is full of shit.
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UCK fought against Milloshevic who tried to capture Kosovo but failed. It was an army raised by some great minds to fight the people who massacred thousands of innocent people. If Bill Clinton says they're a terrorist group, that doesn't mean they are a terrorist group, it's just how some people see it from their perspective.
There is no way for you to know more about UCK then me or any other albanian. Wikipedia is full of shit.
Support IS if you must, just do not take it in here.
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But why is this emblem being given a special treatment? We've seen many provocative things on the forums, such as communist symbols and what-not which are very provocative to some people and nothing has been done against them.
We've seen Putin and Stalin being used as avatars, which many find provocative. We've seen many "Kosovo is Serbia" avatars and signatures, yet they were never removed, but now this is being given special treatment for some reason... On the internet you see many things you may not like, this emblem is one of them and you're not being forced to like it, so because you have to cry a river every time you see it is your own personal problem.
It is not the first time we take action, nor will it be the last time. It is the perogative of those monitoring the forum to take action if they feel something is not appropriate, and it is for those who are members to accept such decisions. That someone else crossed the red light unpunished does not make a ticket you get for the same thing invalid.
Yes, it can be unfair or unequal sometimes. But that is life.
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In that case, you might as well remove the ability to add avatars and signatures, since this is just a game of who finds what appropriate which is only playing favourites.
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What history are you talking about ? You clearly don't know what you're saying, it's an army, it protected the people in my country. How is it offensive to anyone ?
I can answer you here since i am Macedonian. You clearly know the war that happend here in 2001. Well my father was in the army that year defending my country from UCK. God saved him and broght him back home, thank god. So now if my father died back then, tell me how i would feel if i see a UCK signature, knowing the fact that they killed him ? This is why you were banned and why it might provoke someone. I have friends that lost their fathers back in 2001 and belive me they would not want to see that picture ever in their life.
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I can answer you here since i am Macedonian. You clearly know the war that happend here in 2001. Well my father was in the army that year defending my country from UCK. God saved him and broght him back home, thank god. So now if my father died back then, tell me how i would feel if i see a UCK signature, knowing the fact that they killed him ? This is why you were banned and why it might provoke someone. I have friends that lost their fathers back in 2001 and belive me they would not want to see that picture ever in their life.
Your father chose to fight for your country in a war, which means he was aware of the risk, that's why it's called a war. UCK didn't form just so they can kill people, they also had a motive. There are a lot of Albanian families that had no choice but to join the UCK and they also lost family members, does that mean that just because you find it provocative they can't show their support for it and how much value it has to them?
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This is seriously getting in a fight without a end, Just don`t put any flags or anything that is Part of Politics or Wars, To avoid discussions like this... If you are putting some kind of flag that was in some kind of war..etc Be aware that it may offend someone and that you may end up punished, if you do don`t moan about it.
Just a Suggestion.
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I can answer you here since i am Macedonian. You clearly know the war that happend here in 2001. Well my father was in the army that year defending my country from UCK. God saved him and broght him back home, thank god. So now if my father died back then, tell me how i would feel if i see a UCK signature, knowing the fact that they killed him ? This is why you were banned and why it might provoke someone. I have friends that lost their fathers back in 2001 and belive me they would not want to see that picture ever in their life.
(http://www.yourlocalcolor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/US-ARMY_BIG.jpg)
Are you saying that by posting this picture I just offended millions of Russians, Israelis, Palestinians, Serbians, Japanese people etc. ?
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Are you saying that by posting this picture I just offended millions of Russians, Israelis, Palestinians, Serbians, Japanese people etc. ?
No, because everyone was brain washed by TV shows and games that the US army is something good. Plus that pic looks like it's from Rockstar Games for some reason.
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To be honest..
I don't see a point of using an avatar which may irritate/annoy others or offend them.
Overall, It's just a game and we are here for fun NOT to argue about wars/conflicts between countries or even involve these things.
Think about it.
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The avatar you currently have is not the avatar that you used when I removed the previously ones. I had requested several people from the region for clarification around the item (they were from different countries) and I had checked some items myself on google, read some articles and news items about it, spent about two hours in to it as I was quite interested. It ended up being related to war crimes, and overall slaughter fests caused by arguments and conflicts between countries and regions. I had removed your avatar and several items in your profile which related to provoking (other items, for example 'Your mother' at Skype and Yahoo items.) I recall sending you a PM about it, I am not sure if this was in-game or over the forums but I contacted you about it. I then again got a report about you using an abuse avatar, I again took action. (That was both on the 15th of October.) Then on the 8th of April, this year. You again decided to use one of the avatars related to the previous described items. After again discussing it with some people I had decided to remove you from the forums for 30 days, not sure if it was a full ban or the non tolerance policy, so just a full mute.
It's rather common sense that the items you used can, and will hurt people. Argonath is a community with a lot of different religion, people believing in a lot of different things, and they're free to do so. So you are, that's why you were given warnings before punishment was given, you yet decided to ignore those.
So for the ban, you were removed because you had already been given two warnings, yes there may've been a time-span in between the two items, but that doesn't mean you can do it at another time. If I find someone else having the same type of items, I'll treat them the same, and I'll handle the case the same.
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In that case, you might as well remove the ability to add avatars and signatures, since this is just a game of who finds what appropriate which is only playing favourites.
Only for those who wish to be provocative.
And yes, we can greate a group that is unable to put siganutres and avatars if needed.
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The avatar you currently have is not the avatar that you used when I removed the previously ones. I had requested several people from the region for clarification around the item (they were from different countries) and I had checked some items myself on google, read some articles and news items about it, spent about two hours in to it as I was quite interested. It ended up being related to war crimes, and overall slaughter fests caused by arguments and conflicts between countries and regions. I had removed your avatar and several items in your profile which related to provoking (other items, for example 'Your mother' at Skype and Yahoo items.) I recall sending you a PM about it, I am not sure if this was in-game or over the forums but I contacted you about it. I then again got a report about you using an abuse avatar, I again took action. (That was both on the 15th of October.) Then on the 8th of April, this year. You again decided to use one of the avatars related to the previous described items. After again discussing it with some people I had decided to remove you from the forums for 30 days, not sure if it was a full ban or the non tolerance policy, so just a full mute.
It's rather common sense that the items you used can, and will hurt people. Argonath is a community with a lot of different religion, people believing in a lot of different things, and they're free to do so. So you are, that's why you were given warnings before punishment was given, you yet decided to ignore those.
So for the ban, you were removed because you had already been given two warnings, yes there may've been a time-span in between the two items, but that doesn't mean you can do it at another time. If I find someone else having the same type of items, I'll treat them the same, and I'll handle the case the same.
First off, you never send me a PM. Not in the forums, not in game.
The first avatar which you considered provocative was a map which showed locations where my nation is located at so I have no idea how that was provocative, but it's okay, I let it go.
But the latest ban really got into me, because I consider it being pure bullshit.
"It ended up being related to war crimes, and overall slaughter fests caused by arguments and conflicts between countries and regions"
The group you're talking about is an army, and armies protect their nations by eliminating the threats, sometimes with civilian casualties but that doesn't make them a terrorist group. If the logic you used on that FULL ban was this then the US army is the biggest terrorist group on earth.
"I had requested several people from the region for clarification around the item"
You also said that you asked other people about this group, where were they from ? They clearly weren't from Albania because Im 100% sure that they would never make such a stupid arguement. Calling them terrorists is the dumbest thing to do, especially when internet is your main source. Grab some history books instead.
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You maybe don't consider them a terrorist Cause they are on you're side maybe?
Though your current avatar is Provocative placing those 2 flags next to eachother. (Meaning: Together , Their property, Allies)
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Regardless of it being provocative, you should not use these kind of political avatars or signatures as this is a gaming community and not some political forum. You may feel right about whoever it is you support but some may not. If you want to show them your support, print a poster and stick it outside your house, by making it your avatar won't make a difference because sadly no one gives a shit(clearly because this is a gaming forum).
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Though your current avatar is Provocative placing those 2 flags next to eachother. (Meaning: Together , Their property, Allies)
Lol.
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Aren't we old enough to understand when something that we do, can end up provoking someone?
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You maybe don't consider them a terrorist Cause they are on you're side maybe?
I don't consider them terrorists because I know the history behind the group.
Though your current avatar is Provocative placing those 2 flags next to eachother. (Meaning: Together , Their property, Allies)
(http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/barefootandpregnant/files/2014/09/Jesus-facepalm.jpg)
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I don't consider them terrorists because I know the history behind the group.
Do you really or are you just trying to be edgy and pushing your "agenda" because of something you read on the internet?
FFS, use common sense people. If it is being used to provoke something, why have it? I, being a Russian-Jew living in the greatest country in the world (USA, USA, USA), wouldn't need to post on how much I support Zionism and how I think about Palestine because that is not my main goal on these forums.
Ask yourself: What is my main goal with this?
In the end, relax, we're here to create a community, not to destroy each other with our personal ideologies.
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Do you really or are you just trying to be edgy and pushing your "agenda" because of something you read on the internet?
Yes, I do really know the history because I lived during the war that happened, and I sure can guarantee you that it's not a terrorist group. I never read anything in the internet about it, my grandfather was also part of the group and Im sure as hell he's not a terrorist, nor he did any terrorist act, I know that for a fact.
And I think that the history books written by people who lived during the war and were part of it are more informative and less misleading then some random websites on the internet, a place where anyone can write anything they want just because they feel like it.
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You do all know that war makes people do bad things with what they think are good excuses.
Wars on Balkan are sadly frequent and bloody, i do hope that will change in future.
I know many people who lost family/friends in the recent war.
a most common accepted explanation of the war by wiki is "The Kosovo War was an armed conflict in Kosovo that lasted from 28 February 1998 until 11 June 1999. It was fought by the forces of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, (by this time, consisting of the Republics of Montenegro and Serbia) which controlled Kosovo before the war, and the Kosovo Albanian rebel group known as the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), with air support from the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) from 24 March 1999, and ground support from the Albanian army, the war ended with the Kumanovo Treaty, with Yugoslav forces agreeing to withdraw from Kosovo to make way for an international presence.[63][64] The Kosovo Liberation Army disbanded soon after this, with some of its members going on to fight for the UÇPMB in the Preševo Valley[65] and others joining the National Liberation Army (NLA) and Albanian National Army (ANA) during the armed ethnic conflict in Macedonia,[66] while others went on to form the Kosovo Police.[67]
Please note that in this case KLA is UCK and the emblem you were using, there fore anyone who lost any one in that war can feel offended by that emblem, you should put your feet in the other shoes and see what some ppl find it provoking.
And as you can see it was a mess war that spread from region to region i do hope this will open your mind to considering things from all perspectives.
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i know someone who got shot by an ak, i feel offended by that still people use it in their sigs
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Just lock this, please.
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It doesn't matter do you consider them terrorist or freedom fighters, it doesn't matter do you consider Kosovo being Serbia, or independent, it doesn't mater are you Albanian, Serbian, or what ever the fuck, what matter is that the head that was cut off, could be someones father, brother, cousin what ever, so what do you gain by poking peoples tough wounds?
This ain't the place to show nor prove to anyone just how big of an Albanian like this, there's no need for nationalistic bullshit, specially when someone can get offended, and he might be your best friend in game. If you feel like it, you can put Albanian eagle, or flag, but not a symbol of a para-military group that's considered terroristic by a big amount of players.
I just told you the same things, I've been saying to my people on Argonath last 5-6 years. And guess what, they don't have a problem in having not one, yet two Albanians above them in Gvardia hierarchy.
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Oh and one more thing, since you're being really annoying.
The group you're talking about is an army, and armies protect their nations by eliminating the threats, sometimes with civilian casualties but that doesn't make them a terrorist group. If the logic you used on that FULL ban was this then the US army is the biggest terrorist group on earth.
The group was never an offical army, of a offical country during the war.
They were a para-military group-Historical fact that you can't deny.
The group was on CIA terrorist list-Historical fact that you can't deny.
I wont even tell you what Russia, China, and most of other countries, consider them.-That's offical, and that's a fact, that you again, can't deny.
If you placed the symbol of Army of Albania, no one would have a problem.
Calling them terrorists is the dumbest thing to do, especially when internet is your main source. Grab some history books instead.
If you have the stomac for it type "uck head cut" in google, then click pictures. You'll see members of the UCK, in their uniforms, with the same symbol you used for your avatar, holding cutted heads, and having a smile on his face. ISIS style right there, you tell me is it really calling them terrorist the dumbest thing to do? Not for you maybe, but for a huge amount of people, yes they are. And you gotta respect that fact, and those peoples feeling.
Because as I already said that head, could be someone's father, brother, cousin, and if you don't realize just how retarded that is from you, then you should be banned for good.
Same way any Serbian should be banned, if he thinks of putting symbols of Scorpions, Arkan's tygers, etc, the Serbian version of para military group, who made war crimes and slaughter during wars.
Now do you get it? I hope so, cause if you don't you should stay banned until you learn.