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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Pedro. on August 10, 2015, 11:30:38 pm

Title: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Pedro. on August 10, 2015, 11:30:38 pm
Greetings, 5 minutes ago I got punished by Nexus_Riggs for "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."

The incident happened in Downtown Los Santos in the betting shop, I was going to bet on horses and that's when I see a bunch of cops standing near the fire station, I got in the betting stop, did /horses and bet, when I finish betting I notice a staff message from Arslan saying "out you come" and when I come outside I get tempbanned.

With this whole thing I got a few questions

Is this a kind of new rule we should know of?
Couldn't this be a RPed situation?
Shouldn't we have some time to understand what's going on and not getting banned right after?


I don't often get punished, in fact I almost never get punished and it's sad to see this happening, and don't come with the "common sense" thing because I'd accept that in a RP situation, not in a tempban case.


Awaiting replies.
Thank you.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Justin39 on August 10, 2015, 11:40:02 pm
If police have barricaded a building, are you just going to walk right through the barricade and enter the building? I can't see someone doing that in real life while there's cops possibly aiming at the door, it's not roleplay.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Pedro. on August 10, 2015, 11:41:13 pm
I saw no barricade, there were like 3 cars in the other side of the road near the fire station.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Antonio. on August 10, 2015, 11:52:28 pm
If police have barricaded a building, are you just going to walk right through the barricade and enter the building? I can't see someone doing that in real life while there's cops possibly aiming at the door, it's not roleplay.
And this is far from an RL-RP server and we see even more worse things in-game from trucker refuse to stop to RP to officers just looking to kill, yet this is being punished whilst it's not even a rulebreak.

You also can't judge the intention of the criminal, maybe he's going to barricade himself in a building and use it as a defense; there are countless of roleplay scenarios he can choose from.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Sawyer on August 10, 2015, 11:53:42 pm
If police have barricaded a building, are you just going to walk right through the barricade and enter the building? I can't see someone doing that in real life while there's cops possibly aiming at the door, it's not roleplay.
Since when walking through barricades gets you tempbanned and not suspected?
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: AK47 on August 10, 2015, 11:54:59 pm
If police have barricaded a building, are you just going to walk right through the barricade and enter the building? I can't see someone doing that in real life while there's cops possibly aiming at the door, it's not roleplay.

didn't know this was a srs rlrp server
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Antonio. on August 10, 2015, 11:55:49 pm
Also, forgot to point out, just because you have created a barricade it doesn't give you the right to decide the situation, otherwise it would just be forcing roleplay.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: eymas on August 11, 2015, 12:00:07 am
There is a rule based on that, yes. But not like that.

The rule is based on the area being officially blocked off by law enforcement, anyone that tries to sneak past is then removed because we all know why he did it.
To make this easier the general recommendation is to block off the affected building's entrance (even a single cop standing in front of a door counts as), although if this is not possible you can extend it to the area as long as its feasible (You can block off a street but not the entire pershing square or ganton)

Truthfully you should not be removed by staff, but by the ARPD itself. Unless your true intention is to seek a part in a shootout then we act, depending on how you listen, there will be no need for heavy actions such as tempbans.

I hope this explained enough, if there are any questions feel free to ask  ;)



And to prevent another you-know, let's try to avoid the arguments about whether it was roleplay or not.
In regards to the punishment, You're free to shout your concerns to me in private.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Mang on August 11, 2015, 12:02:36 am
The ban is justified and according to the rules, it has been like this for a long time and it's nothing new, not being allowed to enter after PD arrives to scene.
By entering a barricaded building you're disturbing the RP between law enforcement and the suspects, do you really think entering a building where hostages are being held, an agent is negotiating, and starting betting on horses or w/e you were going to do is a-okay?
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Drawn on August 11, 2015, 12:04:13 am
Well Pedro obiously got asked to leave and he left, why did he still received the ban? shouldn't he be verbally warned first?
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Fuzzy on August 11, 2015, 12:06:28 am
The ban is justified and according to the rules, it has been like this for a long time and it's nothing new, not being allowed to enter after PD arrives to scene.
By entering a barricaded building you're disturbing the RP between law enforcement and the suspects, do you really think entering a building where hostages are being held, an agent is negotiating, and starting betting on horses or w/e you were going to do is a-okay?
If the situation was like he said and there was no clear indication of the building being barricaded or there being a hostage situation inside, then I cannot see how it was justified.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Sawyer on August 11, 2015, 12:11:52 am
The ban is justified and according to the rules, it has been like this for a long time and it's nothing new, not being allowed to enter after PD arrives to scene.
By entering a barricaded building you're disturbing the RP between law enforcement and the suspects, do you really think entering a building where hostages are being held, an agent is negotiating, and starting betting on horses or w/e you were going to do is a-okay?
Even if so, shouldn't he be dragged out by the ARPD?
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Mang on August 11, 2015, 12:17:17 am
I just checked my footage and there's a barricade on the road, the place is surrounded by officers and agents + there's snipers on the roofs. It was pretty clear the situation is barricaded, so don't even start with your "I didn't know" excuses.
(http://s15.postimg.org/fommv1lln/Untitled.png)(there's also one car on the other side of the road)

Situations like this were always being dealt with by admins, not ARPD, I don't understand why people are only now starting to have problems with that.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Drawn on August 11, 2015, 12:24:00 am
Because we never had such things/scenarios.
The barricade wasn't even there when I was anyway, this may be after the tempban.
And why was he banned after he left? that's the question.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: eymas on August 11, 2015, 12:26:49 am
The justification of this punishment is up to SA:MP HQ to decide. If you still have any concerns please raise them with me in private, this to avoid another flame-war.
Situations like these are indeed dealt by admins, but only if the player refuses to comply with the ARPD on scene multiple times, or immediately jumps past with clear intentions completely ignoring the blockade.
You can at least expect people to be helpful and tell you to leave first.



Seeing that screenshot i'm not really surprised you caused this, but the cops were not standing at the fire department...
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Drawn on August 11, 2015, 12:29:16 am
If only he doesnt comply, and he clearly left after being told.
Where's your point?
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Pedro. on August 11, 2015, 12:30:03 am
I got tempbanned when I was already outside, I pressed H and after 3/4sec banned. But no matter, I got my responses and done what I had in mind. The topic can now be closed.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Ivan_MC on August 11, 2015, 12:34:14 am
What were u doing in that betting shop in the first place... u go to mine next time no troubles there :lol:
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Cofiliano on August 11, 2015, 12:45:10 am
Lol no matter how much some of you guys try making this look legit, this is outstanding and hilarious really.

If someone trespass a police barricade then he should be suspected and killed if he doesnt apply to officers orders, not tempbanned lol.
No one can forbid people to go somewhere just because another roleplay is being done, using an admin command. Use roleplay to do it, doesnt matter are you a criminal or a cop, you'll find a way to remove that person from the scene.

And its not even in the spirit of roleplay, so pulling that one as an excuse doesn't help your point.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Mikro on August 11, 2015, 01:47:27 am
This has always been in place and has been enforced throughout the years.

Questions about this were answered and clarified long ago, see:
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=18054.msg776770#msg776770

And:
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=18054.msg781801#msg781801
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Cyril on August 11, 2015, 08:53:22 am
This has been a rule since half a decade.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Stivi on August 11, 2015, 08:57:41 am
Good old CBF days banning randoms entering barricaded hotels to /rentroom... :lol:
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Pedro. on August 11, 2015, 11:46:25 am
This has been a rule since half a decade.
Yeah man I already know you're the smartest around and you know every rule.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: AK47 on August 11, 2015, 11:52:53 am
Good old CBF days banning randoms entering barricaded hotels to /rentroom... :lol:

Makes me think of the time when we were like 50(?) suspects barricated in Stracci HQ and he spawned a bomb inside and half of us died :D
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Reece on August 11, 2015, 11:54:01 am
Yeah man I already know you're the smartest around and you know every rule.

Yeah, it's not like he's a Division Leader or anything.  :neutral2:
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Salmonella on August 11, 2015, 12:38:27 pm
So I've got a bit of a trick question here. What if a civilian finds the cops off-guard and roleplays running past or sneaking past the barricade, entering inside of the building?

Is it allowed then?
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Sawyer on August 11, 2015, 01:04:58 pm
So I've got a bit of a trick question here. What if a civilian finds the cops off-guard and roleplays running past or sneaking past the barricade, entering inside of the building?

Is it allowed then?
If that would ever happen, each ARPD member involved in the scene should resign by their own will.

Good question by the way.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Devin on August 11, 2015, 01:26:12 pm
Based on the screenshot, it should have been clearly evident to you that the police officers were blocking off the betting shop, or at least something in that vacinity which should, if there were logic involved lead to you believing as a part of a family that is related to crimes to back off and move on, not run infront of them and into a shop.

The rule was created due to the behavior of players in groups constantly running along and entering buildings that were barricaded to help their generally "suspected" friends that were inside whilst cops were sitting outside. In this sense it can be enforced in the same light, police had cordoned off a zone which you then entered to go gambling.



So I've got a bit of a trick question here. What if a civilian finds the cops off-guard and roleplays running past or sneaking past the barricade, entering inside of the building?

Is it allowed then?

It would be allowed (if) everyone would understand the difference between just saying /me sneaks past cops and actually roleplaying the situation unfortunately.
You could always speak with the cop and see if they would be willing for something like that to happen, keep in mind both parties would need concent before one person says yes and the next says no leading to a pointless argument over a roleplay situation.

At this point in time it's safer off saying do not enter a cordoned off area for your own good.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Cofiliano on August 11, 2015, 02:56:57 pm
That's a shitty rule and its nothing else then mixing the duty of being an admin and being a cop(not talking about Nexus, yet in general)

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=111182.0

If someone trespass a police barricade then he should be suspected and killed if he doesnt apply to officers orders, not tempbanned lol.
Use roleplay to do it, doesnt matter are you a criminal or a cop, you'll find a way to remove that person from the scene.

And its not even in the spirit of roleplay, so pulling that one as an excuse doesn't help your point.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Rusty on August 11, 2015, 02:59:59 pm
Running past a squad of cops who have locked down a building from the outside, maybe even the area and then skipping past a stacked up SWAT team at the front of the door isn't in the spirit of roleplay either  (as a example).  You don't have to like the rules but you will play by them.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: TiMoN on August 11, 2015, 03:07:24 pm
Running past a squad of cops who have locked down a building from the outside, maybe even the area and then skipping past a stacked up SWAT team at the front of the door isn't in the spirit of roleplay either  (as a example).  You don't have to like the rules but you will play by them.
It can be done in real life, and those who do it are charged with failure to comply/trespassing. What Nexus was stupid and unneeded.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Cofiliano on August 11, 2015, 03:19:42 pm
It can be done in real life, and those who do it are charged with failure to comply/trespassing.
This.
What Nexus was stupid and unneeded.
No, because as you can see, they actually made this a rule, so the guy was following the rules.


The entire time I'm not talking about the Nexus-Pedro situation, yet about this shitty rule that's completely stupid and hilarious.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Devin on August 11, 2015, 03:47:03 pm
There is no need for a person to enter a building that is barricaded nor is there a need for a player to enter a police cordoned off zone.
Stop trying to blame the rules for people failing to follow them with their illogical actions.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Celso on August 11, 2015, 03:59:16 pm
It can be done in real life, and those who do it are charged with failure to comply/trespassing. What Nexus was stupid and unneeded.
No it can't,
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Volcom on August 11, 2015, 04:13:53 pm
this is a rule who gives advantage to POLICE like almost every rule, one day the kidnaps or bank robberies will be banable for DM Fest  :lol:
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Celso on August 11, 2015, 04:17:07 pm
The ammount of police haters in this topic is so high!
Still, it was always a rule, even though some times it isn't enforced due to lack of administration members in game.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Cofiliano on August 11, 2015, 04:20:48 pm
There is no need for a person to enter a building that is barricaded nor is there a need for a player to enter a police cordoned off zone.
Stop trying to blame the rules for people failing to follow them with their illogical actions.
But that's his free choice isn't it? That's his roleplay choice at the end. And by roleplay, he should get a suitable answer.

Move away or get shot does  the trick. Wanna act like a moron and ignore officers warnings? Suspect him and kill him. If he returns after the cops kill him, then its a ban for returning after death, easy.

Again, no ones talking about this situation, nor judging peoples action, only the legitimacy of such rule.

At least that's how I see it.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Ivan_MC on August 11, 2015, 04:24:16 pm
The ammount of police haters in this topic is so high!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jOqOlETcRU
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: .Matthew. on August 11, 2015, 04:33:46 pm
Move away or get shot does the trick.
"WHY THE FK DID U SHOOT??? I WAS ABOUT TO GIVE UP"
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Cofiliano on August 11, 2015, 05:04:40 pm
If they get warned and still refuses to obey in those situation, then fuck'em? He can bitch all he wants, he got killed for a reason. Still better then a ban.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Celso on August 11, 2015, 08:05:33 pm
This rule has been in place for so long,why change it now? doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: "Entering Building after law enforcement arrived."
Post by: Devin on August 11, 2015, 08:08:29 pm
If they get warned and still refuses to obey in those situation, then fuck'em? He can bad girl all he wants, he got killed for a reason. Still better then a ban.

It was a tempban, it has expired. I fail to see why a person ignoring a barricaded situation and getting tempbanned for it needs to be such a large issue.
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