Argonath RPG - A World of its own
Argonath RPG Community => Hardware/Software support => Resolved issues => Topic started by: DellStorm on October 20, 2015, 08:54:33 pm
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Hi Argonath,
I've seen a few people asking this question but not finding the answers that they want. Also the curious sometimes don't know who to ask. Note that these are my experiences so take them as you see them. Don't think about hating unless you've lived at least 29 years and are earning more than $30,000 a year, lived where I have lived and read the same books because I really don't have the time to listen to kids who think they know the best only to find out 8 years later that they are still doing the same thing they were doing. Sorry for the rant but I know how these topics can go so I ask moderators to keep a close eye out and if necessary lock the topic.
So now that's over with, here's the introduction:
I'm covering the subject of OSX, Windows 10 and Linux. This is not a complete list. This will only be of interest to people who are novices about the different operating systems and how they work. There are plenty of guides around for those more interested. Those who already know this can obviously add their feedback and update this topic as the needs change. There are big differences between them all and my advice would be, know what your needs are before proceeding because its not one size fits all so let us begin:
Good to hear you're doing alright. Anyhow, as an IT specialist, can I ask you: should I switch to Linux? I am getting tired of the constant problems that windows gets...
So, Windows - Think of it like a car. What do you need it for. Do you need it to 'just do the work? Do you need to tinker with it. What about how you're going to use the computer further down the line (work / college etc). Based on these we can start to narrow down what you need.
First thing is budget. If you can't afford $1000 to spend a machine Mac's (OS X / Unix) is out of the question. My opinion is these are the rolls-royces of the computer world. OSX combines ease of use with very (yes very) advanced ways of using the operating system. Just that no one bothers to find out how Terminal works... You set the system up how you want it then you'll get bored really quickly because it never, ever, ever crashes. I've forgotten what they look like. Plus the computer's themselves are so well built you'll go omg when you see another machine that has a problem. I had one iMac during my college year - it was the family computer and you know what, when I wanted to get work done I used that stupid slow iMac and it never let me down. I also had it 6 years. It's still working today at a friends and its almost 10 years old! Its still pretty quick too. Try that with a windows system of the same era...
So now that thats out of the way lets think about windows. Lets not start with XP or Vista or 7, lets go right to Windows 10 because that's what you should be on. Windows 10 in my opinion is a massive improvement over every single other version of windows. Why? Because it behaves a lot more like windows should. Its easy to use, pretty much self explanatory and should do advanced stuff if you want to. (Networking / Server / Programming and so forth). Its also free if you've got a version of windows 7 or 8 already so there's nothing to figure out about. And should I mention that drivers are native to windows, meaning your graphics drivers, motherboard drivers, network drivers and everything else will run really nicely on it. So if you don't have a Mac, or even if you do, don't put windows out of the question because its got a lot of features going for it. I would recommend an antivirus though.
Next up is Linux. Linux is great, as long as you know a few principles. Linux is not like windows. Linux is not like OSX. Linux is not like Unix, Linux is not like Solaris OS, Linux is completely different. Oh and there's about 500 different versions of linux. Which all do completely different things! Imagine having 500 different Windows versions. So its very 'bespoke'. Do you know what the difference is between Gentoo and Fedora? If not you're not ready for Linux. Have you heard of Linux Mint? No? Then you're definitely not ready for Linux. If you brush up on Linux, find out about ALL the distro's (distrowatch.com) then you might be able to figure it out how to do it. Then there's the next thing, the hassle of the install. If you're going to make it your primary operating system, then unfortunately it's going to cost you 12 hours of labour time. (In addition to the amount of hours you have to download the ISO file, put it onto a CD / DVD or USB Drive and figure out what's compatible with your system 32bit / 64bit x86 i386, i486 i586 i686. If the previous sentence made no sense. Linux is not for you. If it did great lets keep going a little more. So it'll take you about 15 hours to get it the way you want it. You'll have to download all the apps you want, and there's no backup, so make sure you've got a backup hard drive. Did I mention there's no backup utility? Good okay. Next thing, because the Distro will be old you'll need to update it. That'll take at least 1 - 2 hours. With me so far? And no you can't just leave it, because it'll ask you for your password upon install. Then you might have to restart. Oh and by the way did I mention, if you mess up your linux distribution by deleting a package (because you have full access to all of linux) you'll have to start again from scratch. Yet another 12 hours.
Linux is a great utility if you know how to use it. Ubuntu makes it simple. But there's a lot to Linux that I can't go over in a short period of time. So there you have it. It'll take a lot of your time up and unlike OSX and Windows that are updated around every 1 - 3 years. Linux distributions get updated anywhere from 3 months to 9 months. So be prepared to do it all over again every 5 Months. And unlike Windows where you can upgrade, and unlike OSX where you can just upgrade. You'll have to do a fresh install.
Okay thats the bad bits out of the way. Why do people use Linux? It's the only platform that you can customise something to your own specific needs. Think about a Kit Car, you can choose, all the parts, what they look like, what you need, a tow bar, a hitch, rope, fog lights, you name it you can build it into linux. That's why a lot of servers are built on it. There's also a great thing about Linux because its got a massive community full of resources and its the most customisable on the planet. If you think you need a tool that's not built, such as a database analyser, Linux will have packages that will allow you to create an SQL Database analyser, or Oracle, or MySQL. Its got tons and tons of things. Sure these may exist on Windows but getting to them, writing the code and setting it off is way easier because its designed for this purpose. On the other hand, if you have no idea what I'm talking about and all you do is play computer games and the occasional word document and love how Chrome / Firefox works, stick to what you know.
I got annoyed (talking about me now) with Windows (back on windows XP /Vista) Because the darn thing was crashing all the time and I wasn't getting anything done quickly. I would have to restart after every update. After every time I had to uninstall a program. After every single time I did something. And forget having a windows machine on for 8 days straight without a restart. OSX can run for 60 days without a hitch. Linux can do the same. But lets think about it, Windows 10 is now here and they realised that they needed to fix a load of things. Gone are the days where you have only 2gb of ram max and the system has to use your hard drive for the page file over and over again. These days you've got SSD's mostly in your machine. This makes a huge difference for Windows. Don't forget you'll probably have more than one core. Yet another bonus for Windows. Back in the XP days you didn't have this, therefore it was highly unstable, yet windows XP was the best version around at the time. Go figure it lasted for 10 years. What a shame that Linux was catching up so quickly and drew a lot of attention at the time.
So yea, at the time Linux looked like an option if only to try it for what it's worth. They're trying to make it better, but don't forget what you see is not always what you get, so if you've got some random graphics card be prepared for your graphics not to work properly. Flash won't be installed so be prepared to find that. Then be prepared to download the AMD / Intel microcode package (yes really) Otherwise your processor won't work properly (some packages may / may not already include this). Then there's the sound. that's 50/50 either it'll work, it'll kinda work, or it'll not work. Lets hope you have a generic circuit sound card that can use any of the drivers already supplied.
So in summary. If you want a lot of work - try Linux. If you want less work try Windows. If you want to be bored and do no work try OSX.
The other way round is - If you want an operating system with a butler that does everything for you try OSX. If you want more customisation but an assistant try Windows. If you want DIY Linux is the way to go. This is probably the best guide I can post. I can honestly say I tried Linux up until 2014 so my information may be out of date however I doubt it as I'm up to date with Windows / OSX systems. I know how the Linux Kernel operates and I doubt that'll change any time soon. So with that said. Have think about it, then think again and wait up to 14 days before making a decision. In that time you should figure out what your needs are. Checked that the particular operating system (with the latest updates) suits your needs and that your needs will change in the future so you need to be prepared for that.
Good luck and happy Computing!
<3 Dell.
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Regular user: Get PC
Designer, Production, Etc: Get Mac.
Programmer, Developer: Get Linux.
30k a year is low on the spectrum of IT. When you are making at least 110k you can start bragging.
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Designer, Production, Etc: Get Mac.
I don't like this mindset a lot of people have. Won't say Macs aren't good for production or designing, but nowadays a PC is as capable if not more capable with the software around. Can't say Mac is any more stable than 8.1 either, which is an argument often seen in this debate.
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Side-note: Fedora is an absolute waste of time.
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I don't like this mindset a lot of people have. Won't say Macs aren't good for production or designing, but nowadays a PC is as capable if not more capable with the software around. Can't say Mac is any more stable than 8.1 either, which is an argument often seen in this debate.
You are right, PC has come a long way in the last few years with production mainly in music and digital media. However, Mac's do still take the cake in most side-by-side comparison and most fortune 500 companies do recommend macs in digital media production.
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Side-note: Fedora is an absolute waste of time.
Fedora is good introductory Linux OS, anything reliable needed, go with a Debian based distro.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRWrmT0ovPE
UBUNTU??!!
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Nice topic however I'm unsure as to what this covers which is not already freely available on the web with a simple Google search.
I'm also unsure as to why you have decided to comment on age and earnings as it's kind of irrelevant and proves nothing. A 13 year old on pocket money could still manage to use a search engine.
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You are right, PC has come a long way in the last few years with production mainly in music and digital media. However, Mac's do still take the cake in most side-by-side comparison and most fortune 500 companies do recommend macs in digital media production.
Yeah, but it's pretty much personal preferation nowadays. Like you said, especially in music PC pretty much surpassed mac in terms of production.
Of course everyone still uses a Mac on stage to look cool.
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Of course everyone still uses a Mac on stage to look cool.
No, MAC's don't crash. You can't play live with a Windows Laptop lol.
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Is Ubuntu a viable choice for no-coder or programmer who is just an average computer user, but wants a stable and secure OS? (I dont even want to touch Macs. I dont like apple stuff, its overpriced)
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Yeah, but it's pretty much personal preferation nowadays. Like you said, especially in music PC pretty much surpassed mac in terms of production.
Of course everyone still uses a Mac on stage to look cool.
Yeah, I've actually seen a few people using a Mac on stage while running Windows haha. Yes, personal preference and what you learned in College / University plays a huge role in what people want to use for production. I'm not trying to say PC is bad for it, just Mac is well know for it.
Should be noted that OSX is Unix based and has a terminal similar to Linux and also uses Bash which is an interpreter shared across both Linux and OSX which enables similar functionality and compilations.
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No, MAC's don't crash. You can't play live with a Windows Laptop lol.
nice crash meme but
Can't say Mac is any more stable than 8.1 either, which is an argument often seen in this debate.
That is just my personal experience as a KP, though. :D
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Is Ubuntu a viable choice for no-coder or programmer who is just an average computer user, but wants a stable and secure OS? (I dont even want to touch Macs. I dont like apple stuff, its overpriced)
Linux is generally more secure and stable than Windows. Linux is considered more secure because in proper usage you don't normally use the root (administrative rights) to do your day-to-day stuff and need to exclusively grant administrative access. Whereas windows administrative account only requires administrative intervention for certain privileges which can lead to compromised security.
As for the question:
For everyday, social media, reddit, and porn tho you should be fine with Linux. If you want to get into gaming however you are best off sticking with a PC. While Steam's choice to use Linux as the base of Steam OS and leading a lot of games into support for Linux, it's not quite there yet. Perhaps in the next 5 years we'll see more support transition there.
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For my day-to-day work (which consists of web browsing, word processing and web development), I prefer OSX on my new Macbook pro. The ease of use and stability of OSX combined with its UNIX-based terminal and some other features like Hammerspoon (Python-based scripting to extend the OS, like the "pro" version of Applescript) make it a great operating system for the purposes described above.
Windows is what I mainly use for gaming and development of Windows-specific stuff, such as .NET/C# and Pawn. Windows 10 is a great OS and extends the good path Microsoft took with the introduction of Windows 7. Overall the most used and most supported OS from a consumer perspective.
Linux is what powers all my servers. Extreme stability, scalability, performance and control. Every aspect can be controlled with ease once you are comfortable with running stuff on the command line. Many complex tasks can be scripted or otherwise automated with cron and other tools.
Is Ubuntu a viable choice for no-coder or programmer who is just an average computer user, but wants a stable and secure OS? (I dont even want to touch Macs. I dont like apple stuff, its overpriced)
I'd say stick with Windows. If you are not into hacking your way to a solution or just want stuff to be supported widely, don't use Linux.
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If someone has the time to create an Android, iOS or Windows Phone topic of the same quality please do. I'll be interested to read it. Or if it's already been created, could someone send me a link. <3 Dell.
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If someone has the time to create an Android, iOS or Windows Phone topic of the same quality please do. I'll be interested to read it. Or if it's already been created, could someone send me a link. <3 Dell.
Windows phone is no more. Android and iOS is simple. iOS is for the simplistic, easy to use interface who is fine without customization (or at least needing to bypass security to achieve it). Android is for those who don't mind a bit more complex an interface, want a more open platform with limitless customization, and possibility.
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If you brush up on Linux, find out about ALL the distro's (distrowatch.com) then you might be able to figure it out how to do it. Then there's the next thing, the hassle of the install. If you're going to make it your primary operating system, then unfortunately it's going to cost you 12 hours of labour time. (In addition to the amount of hours you have to download the ISO file, put it onto a CD / DVD or USB Drive and figure out what's compatible with your system 32bit / 64bit x86 i386, i486 i586 i686.
I installed, configured, and secured 10 Linux servers in about 3-4 hours. Where do you get 12 hours from?
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Windows phone is no more. Android and iOS is simple. iOS is for the simplistic, easy to use interface who is fine without customization (or at least needing to bypass security to achieve it). Android is for those who don't mind a bit more complex an interface, want a more open platform with limitless customization, and possibility.
What do you mean windows phone is no more?"D
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What do you mean windows phone is no more?"D
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/08/windows-phone-microsoft-nokia-layoff-smartphones
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http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/08/windows-phone-microsoft-nokia-layoff-smartphones
I just bought a new lumia 640xl and they just announced new phones.
Lenovo just bought motorola and layed off the whole mobile division, it's just a smart way to buy patents
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Never liked Windows Phones, plus never really used one so I can not really comment on that. Though from friends' phones I've seen, GUI was fluently fast, photo/videoshooting was good, gallery was loading super-fast, however Market sucked.
Apple - iOS surely a way of 'bragging' I have/had (:P) $$ in my pocket here in Greece at least. Though nowdays most people own a high end phone, yet have no money for credit phonecalls :lol: Mostly used because it can generally do everything easy without complexity.
I've owned 2, 3, 3GS, 4 in the past, however non satisfied me.
Android as mentioned earlier, stock is always laggy as f***, customized it can be the king.
I am still rocking a Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo V (2011) with flashed JellyBean. Single Core @1,6Ghz, 512mb RAM still able to use Facebook and browse without lag due it's custom kernel + rom, though battery dies instantly.
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I love my Samsung Galaxy S6 64GB Gold.
Long live Samsung! Always been a android user =)
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Android as mentioned earlier, stock is always laggy as f***, customized it can be the king.
You're kidding right? Stock Android in any case will probably be the fastest experience compared to any OEM's "customizations".
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I work in the IT field as consultant. My workstation is a Mac where I run a VM with Windows 10 Pro and also SSH into AWS linux instances.
I don't think anyone should be completely biased and never experience the other side. Each OS has a fault, and some are better than others in certain factors.
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You're kidding right? Stock Android in any case will probably be the fastest experience compared to any OEM's "customizations".
Pure android is no laggy, I was reffering to branded edited ones which add many unecessery programs that cause lag after all.
As I mentioned earlier, my Neo V which is almost 5 years old now, single core and 512mb ram, is doing very fine thanks to custom ROM+Kernel.
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I still really want to switch to Ubuntu for some reason..
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I still really want to switch to Ubuntu for some reason..
Look at some YouTube videos for guidance. Try a virtual machine and run Ubuntu in that to get you started. <3 Dell.
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Look at some YouTube videos for guidance. Try a virtual machine and run Ubuntu in that to get you started. <3 Dell.
I know how to use it, i used it before, its just that software incompatibility keeps bringing me back to WIndows