Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Teddy on October 22, 2015, 07:19:29 pm
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Hello,
A lot of servers (and games) are remaining competitive by the introduction of additional funding via micro-transactions. A lot of game servers, including SA:MP servers, Garry's Mod servers, Minecraft servers and alike use these to support themselves. Meanwhile we rely on donations and advertisements. Not many people donate these days because of no reward for donation, and most us.. let's be honest use an ad blocker so this isn't a great avenue stream. These allow you to use real money in order to get in-game benefits. Now before we even go any further we wouldn't introduce a pay2win system where you can get exclusive content; just shortcut to different things. For example, paid houses, vehicles, etc.
We want to know the communities input before looking into a platform to support such. The benefit of this to the community would allow us to keep expanding further and further, reach more players with marketing campaigns, and keep the server's running longer and possibly even better (upgrades).
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Yes
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No exclusivity, no taking over properties already owned. No advantage at all that is.
How would it make trading real life money for in game items between players a rulebreak?
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I'm not sure if I get the meaning of the topic correctly, but these are items I saw which are available for premium players on other servers I saw over time:
- Certain vehicles.
- Name changes (Which wouldn't be good for Argonath since it's light-RP).
- Customized phone number (Which you can currently get by paying in-game cash).
- Different animations (Which makes your character more exclusive than others).
- Certain furniture objects.
- Certain wearable objects (hats, glasses etc.).
- Forum ranks (When I was a newbie in online-gaming I loved to have a different rank than others which made me to donate).
Please note that I'm just brainstorming some things...
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- Certain vehicles.
- Name changes (Which wouldn't be good for Argonath since it's light-RP).
- Customized phone number (Which you can currently get by paying in-game cash).
- Different animations (Which makes your character more exclusive than others).
- Certain furniture objects.
- Certain wearable objects (hats, glasses etc.).
- Forum ranks (When I was a newbie in online-gaming I loved to have a different rank than others which made me to donate).
Sounds legit to me.
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The list martijn posted, apart from the vehicles and houses are all fine for me, as they're cosmetic.
In minecraft I could possibly do the same with capes or other stuff.
But other than that, don't introduce them here if they break gameplay in any way. People should be playing the game rather than pay to skip the game mechanics.
purely cosmetic i.e. a forum rank or something's fine for me.
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There was one "rule" that Gandalf had that was righteous. And we want it changed... I get the whole, good meaning behind this. But I am damn sure this is going to go too far one day. I'm against this, sorry.
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To be honest I would surely donate if I would get certain things in return. This was the first thing that bothered me when I came here, the fact of getting nothing when donating. It simply doesn't stimulate to donate. I've donated multiple hundreds of Euro's in games like SA:MP to support servers and just have those little extra's.
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Yes.
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What about those who work hard to buy a property, a vehicle or an item , wouldn't they be disadvantaged? I'm against this, if you want to donate you shouldn't get any advantage on other players. Everyone is equal right?
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Everyone is equal right?
No
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No
Why not?
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@ OP Definite no to this. Gandalf has been very clear on this in the past. I don't know how he stands on it now, but I agreed with his words back then, and I'd use them to describe my stance in the matter now. No ArgoCoins please.
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I'd pay to be immune to admin punishments tbh.
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Since you mentioned donations, donate 15euros for my internet bills, havn't been payed for 2months now. :lol:
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being like rockstar? how much per shark cards? :neutral2:
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being like rockstar? how much per shark cards? :neutral2:
That's not really what Teddy meant.
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What about those who work hard to buy a property, a vehicle or an item , wouldn't they be disadvantaged? I'm against this, if you want to donate you shouldn't get any advantage on other players. Everyone is equal right?
Thank you Mark, this was my opinion
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If this sort off transactions are ever going to be implemented it should at least not restrict the general gameplay for non-paying players. So any advantage in money, tax, house licenses, vehicles, etc are not to be given in my opinion.
Certain items, wearables, short phone numbers, etc might be a way to at least give something back to those who donate without damaging the non-paying players. Only gray part here is that players will probably start bringing those items to the market, asking ridiculous prices, which is something I rather not see.
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I always wanted to donate, though had problem since due to crysis I can not get any credit-prepaid card issued. Whatever it would be, if options like SMS, Paysafecard get's added, I'm surely in to help!
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@ OP Definite no to this. Gandalf has been very clear on this in the past. I don't know how he stands on it now, but I agreed with his words back then, and I'd use them to describe my stance in the matter now. No ArgoCoins please.
As far as i know, gandalf does not allow it.
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If this sort off transactions are ever going to be implemented it should at least not restrict the general gameplay for non-paying players. So any advantage in money, tax, house licenses, vehicles, etc are not to be given in my opinion.
Certain items, wearables, short phone numbers, etc might be a way to at least give something back to those who donate without damaging the non-paying players. Only gray part here is that players will probably start bringing those items to the market, asking ridiculous prices, which is something I rather not see.
Great explanation. And you can simply disable those items from being put on the market?
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There was one "rule" that Gandalf had that was righteous. And we want it changed... I get the whole, good meaning behind this. But I am damn sure this is going to go too far one day. I'm against this, sorry.
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As far as i know, gandalf does not allow it.
Which is why I'm saying it. :P
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If this sort off transactions are ever going to be implemented it should at least not restrict the general gameplay for non-paying players. So any advantage in money, tax, house licenses, vehicles, etc are not to be given in my opinion.
Certain items, wearables, short phone numbers, etc might be a way to at least give something back to those who donate without damaging the non-paying players. Only gray part here is that players will probably start bringing those items to the market, asking ridiculous prices, which is something I rather not see.
I agree with these points. Also consider offering custom mapping for players who donate, these can vary in fences around a property, an entirely custom property, small objects to enhance a house for example. etc. Something that doesn't necessarily disrupt a non-paying donor.
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Which is why I'm saying it. :P
I quoted you! :)
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I agree with these points. Also consider offering custom mapping for players who donate, these can vary in fences around a property, an entirely custom property, small objects to enhance a house for example. etc. Something that doesn't necessarily disrupt a non-paying donor.
that's pay to win...
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that's pay to win...
The chance of anyone getting a custom property, or custom mapped objects is heavily limited and you have to apply to be granted any such things as is.. It's no different then what we have offered now accept it is made a little more available..
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VIP status on forum =)
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Custom color on main chat
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Custom color on main chat
You can do that without the need to donate :p
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Premium phone numbers
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Thank you for the feedback so far. In regards to Gandalf's objection to the idea; I have had several discussions with him on the subject and he has taken some liking to the idea without an official stance change. There is no plans, or immediate plan to implement this. We're simply seeing how you guys feel about this. We won't do it if a majority of the community players aren't in support of it, which is as it appears now.
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The thing is that it will be in conflict with the feeling of equality Argonath can offer to its players.
That's one of the great things of Argonath, ultimately you can do anything within your power in the community. If you add IRL money to the equation, a lot of players unwilling or unable to go that far in the game will no longer experience that feeling.
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Not sure about in-game, but forum perks would be pretty awesome.
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I don't disagree Sal it's just at the point we're at, there is little incentive for the current developers to stay (most of us are getting older and don't want to stay around to get bad girled at for every choice and cried at all the time). At least in my perspective. I'm not saying I am leaving because I'm not getting paid. I'm just saying bills don't pay themselves and I spent over 30 hours last week to bring those updates. There is no budget for marketing in order to promote using more large-scale advertisement platforms; something a lot of other servers with huge populous do. More importantly we cannot upgrade our servers in order to provide a better quality of service, we cannot expand our services into new areas.
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Then, indeed micro-transactions could be a small but maybe a good way to get an income for argonath.
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We won't do it if a majority of the community players aren't in support of it, which is as it appears now.
thank you for respecting community vote
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We can have a test period maybe to see if the playerbase grows, better activity etc?
Why not test, if it doesnt work, we've tested it and we maybe know why it doesnt work out, if we don't test it, we never know if it could work.
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How about custom joinmessages? Like [WS]Emmett(69) has joined from yer mum :>
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Damn, this sounds like a nail to the coffin. I think the cult of spoiled teenagers is big enough in real life, we don't need this in a virtual game as well.
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How about custom joinmessages? Like [WS]Emmett(69) has joined from yer mum :>
Able to have 2 accounts as V.I.P Member maybe?
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Able to have 2 accounts as V.I.P Member maybe?
Why not!!
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We can have a test period maybe to see if the playerbase grows, better activity etc?
Why not test, if it doesnt work, we've tested it and we maybe know why it doesnt work out, if we don't test it, we never know if it could work.
hmm?
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We can have a test period maybe to see if the playerbase grows, better activity etc?
Why not test, if it doesnt work, we've tested it and we maybe know why it doesnt work out, if we don't test it, we never know if it could work.
Say that the results are negative... will you remove the VIP perks from the people who paid for it?
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Able to have 2 accounts as V.I.P Member maybe?
No.
If we plan to bring microtransactions in they have to be fully cosmetic at most, it shouldn't bring any advantage at all.
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Naaah, I prefer all or nothing. For example I'll gladly pay a monthly subscription for an MMO but I won't pay for micro-transactions. In the case of Argonath and subscriptions tho, yeah...
So let's just leave it completely free.
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I don't disagree Sal it's just at the point we're at, there is little incentive for the current developers to stay (most of us are getting older and don't want to stay around to get bad girled at for every choice and cried at all the time). At least in my perspective. I'm not saying I am leaving because I'm not getting paid. I'm just saying bills don't pay themselves and I spent over 30 hours last week to bring those updates. There is no budget for marketing in order to promote using more large-scale advertisement platforms; something a lot of other servers with huge populous do. More importantly we cannot upgrade our servers in order to provide a better quality of service, we cannot expand our services into new areas.
Oh, I was under the impression those ''bills'' were Argonath's bills, not yours.
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Costumized phone number - Yes
Properties - No
Vehicles - No
VIP Anims - Yes
Free name change - Yes
Weapons - No
CJ Running - No
Costumized ints - Yes
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How about custom joinmessages? Like [WS]Emmett(69) has joined from yer mum :>
lets be honest, would you really pay money for this? Lol
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lets be honest, would you really pay money for this? Lol
If I'd get a shit-ton of more things yes
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I'd support micro-transactions for Vehicles and Properties.
I think this is fair enough; staff get the funds needed to maintain the server, and those of us who have busy schedules outside this game get access to items that would otherwise be unattainable.
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I'd support micro-transactions for Vehicles and Properties.
I think this is fair enough; staff get the funds needed to maintain the server, and those of us who have busy schedules outside this game get access to items that would otherwise be unattainable.
Your missing the whole point of a RP server, the work and the RP needed to gain these items....is the gamplay. Getting vehicles and properties from this is 100% pay to win.
Micro-transactions are a great idea, if they result rewards such as: Animations, custom /p name color, custom log-in locations, exclusive /wear items or even interior items (which cannot be sold).
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I support this as long as it's not about properties or vehicles.
There was one "rule" that Gandalf had that was righteous. And we want it changed... I get the whole, good meaning behind this. But I am damn sure this is going to go too far one day. I'm against this, sorry.
Lol.
@ OP Definite no to this. Gandalf has been very clear on this in the past. I don't know how he stands on it now, but I agreed with his words back then, and I'd use them to describe my stance in the matter now. No ArgoCoins please.
Lel.
What about those who work hard to buy a property, a vehicle or an item , wouldn't they be disadvantaged? I'm against this, if you want to donate you shouldn't get any advantage on other players. Everyone is equal right?
Kek.
As far as I know, Gandalf does not allow it.
Topkek.
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not sure how micro transactions are gonna be useful in samp if people dont want advantages. i mean i paid 79$ for a knife in cs go, donated in an arma 3 community server to get forum perks as well as VIP status with discounts on various items in game. if i pay, i better get advantages or not worth it.
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Maybe CBs over 10000 can be bought with microtransactions? For example, I could pay $2 to have CB 13337 or 99999 reserved for me. Of course these cannot be transferred, idk about owning more than 1 CB.
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I'd support micro-transactions for Vehicles and Properties.
I think this is fair enough; staff get the funds needed to maintain the server, and those of us who have busy schedules outside this game get access to items that would otherwise be unattainable.
And groups would be able to buy entire cities for as much as I paid for a game on steam, as opposed to them building up a respected legacy of hard work. See San Fierro and both groups having their names engraved into it.
i mean i paid 79$ for a knife in cs go
I can never understand this.
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I can never understand this.
actualy same here
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I can never understand this.
It's good business.
Add skinned weapons to donors maybe? Gold plated AK47 ftw.
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I wonder how many people would pay for VIP Animation /piss? :rolleyes:
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I wonder how many people would pay for VIP Animation /piss? :rolleyes:
Why is it stuck in my head that I saw someone use that in game recently???!!!
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Why is it stuck in my head that I saw someone use that in game recently???!!!
If by recently you mean more than 2 years ago :D
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I wonder how many people would pay for VIP Animation /piss? :rolleyes:
Name your price :lol:
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Custom weapon skins I would support... name colors on /p, sure, exclusive cbs maybe. BUT properties, vehicles, exclusive animations, /wear exclusives, furniture exclusive, Simply NO.
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Custom weapon skins I would support.
wut?
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I don't think weapons skins are even possible in SA-MP.
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Well, Iam not the one to say or know what's possible. :depature:
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I don't think weapons skins are even possible in SA-MP.
wut?
Well, Iam not the one to say or know what's possible. :depature:
it is possible
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Bare in mind that you can do it yourself with TXD Workshop and Photoshop :p
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Is there /piss and animations in Minecraft? Is there such things in VC:MP? I don't think so. As far as I know, donations to Argonath were to Argonath as a Community, not just SA:MP. This is going way out of hand.
Perhaps start making Argonath RPG T-Shirts, Hats, Mouse Pads or whatever and give them to people for donating IRL...But not ridiculous "exclusive" pay2get InGame additions.
So much rejected ideas for being similar to features in other communities, but day by day we become another community. This ain't the Argonath I joined years ago, and it's not a good change...
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But day by day we become another community. This ain't the Argonath I joined years ago, and it's not a good change...
Can you tell what changes do you see bad apart from this suggestion which is only to see what people thinks about it?
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Bare in mind that you can do it yourself with TXD Workshop and Photoshop :p
But others won't see your swag before they're shot to death. :lol:
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Perhaps start making Argonath RPG T-Shirts, Hats, Mouse Pads or whatever and give them to people for donating IRL...But not ridiculous "exclusive" pay2get InGame additions.
I do believe Gandalf and Aragorn, at some point in time, were planning on doing exactly what you said.
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Is there /piss and animations in Minecraft? Is there such things in VC:MP? I don't think so. As far as I know, donations to Argonath were to Argonath as a Community, not just SA:MP. This is going way out of hand.
Perhaps start making Argonath RPG T-Shirts, Hats, Mouse Pads or whatever and give them to people for donating IRL...But not ridiculous "exclusive" pay2get InGame additions.
So much rejected ideas for being similar to features in other communities, but day by day we become another community. This ain't the Argonath I joined years ago, and it's not a good change...
The topic is aimed at SAMP hence it being posted in the SAMP boards.
And I have removed your avatar again.
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But others won't see your swag before they're shot to death. :lol:
Golden AK perhaps?
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The topic is aimed at SAMP hence it being posted in the SAMP boards.
And I have removed your avatar again.
disappointed you didn't set it as the LGBT flag again. :lol:
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And I have removed your avatar again.
Not trying to derail the topic, but what's wrong with it? And if you're going to remove it, why isn't Skyhawk's avatar changed yet? Last time I checked the Confederate Flag is illegal.
"California, legislation enacted in 2014 prohibits Confederate flags from being sold or displayed by government agencies, except for historical or educational purposes."
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Not trying to derail the topic, but what's wrong with it? And if you're going to remove it, why isn't Skyhawk's avatar changed yet? Last time I checked the Confederate Flag is illegal.
"California, legislation enacted in 2014 prohibits Confederate flags from being sold or displayed by government agencies, except for historical or educational purposes."
We aren't in America so I fail to see how it affects us. Whilst I do enjoy people pointing at others when something happens to them, it is not that entertaining anymore.
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What I think is good as a return is:
- Custom phone number not taken by any other player
- Custom main chat color
- Free In game name change (only one)
- Custom forum rank
- Free announcements for a week in game (without being abused)
- Free forum name change
Anything useful that does not give a big advantage
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I support this idea at the fullest. With the right advantages given to it, example
V.I.P Chat
Name-change could be restricted on Argonath, and 1 euro is the payment to obtain one.
V.I.P color[name]
Number change
1 month Colored license plates
1 month
V.I.P forum rank
V.I.P lounge access [a location for V.I.P users only]
V.I.P cars access [ Some modified cool cars for V.I.P members to use em ?]
And so many more..!
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it would be nice if we can donate via phone, not only credit card or something like that, what about you put your phone number they send a msg with a code and you put the code and it do a transaction ?
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it would be nice if we can donate via phone, not only credit card or something like that, what about you put your phone number they send a msg with a code and you put the code and it do a transaction ?
This exicts already.
Donations > SMS Donate
http://donate.smscoin.com/js/smsdonate/index_en.html?sid=420711&language=english
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Cosmetic stuff im all for, not so much for houses and stuffs.
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This exicts already.
Donations > SMS Donate
http://donate.smscoin.com/js/smsdonate/index_en.html?sid=420711&language=english
In Portugal section have got TMN, Vodafone, Optimus, im actually NOS, isn't present there, MEO and NOS is missing..
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This exicts already.
Donations > SMS Donate
http://donate.smscoin.com/js/smsdonate/index_en.html?sid=420711&language=english
IS that link for argonath rpg ?
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Maybe the service is not extended to all carriers, yet.
@Rei Yes. You can find it at the path above the link.
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Maybe the service is not extended to all carriers, yet.
@Rei Yes. You can find it at the path above the link.
Then it will be my pleasure to donate what i can right now :P
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What I think what a Donator should get as return:
*Donator status/rank on forum (also highlighted name on forum)
*Custom Phone number
*Able to do colour in /ad
*Be a part of Donator group (the group got luxury vehicles and HQ and no leader)
*Free In game name change (Can only be used ONCE)
*Able to add neon to the vehicle (if its possible)
*20 procent discount to buy any business/vehicles/house (Can only be used ONCE)
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If you are going to give houses/businesses then it's p2w. I'm fine with having a free namechange, forum rank, neons and all. Not something you can get with IG money ( except name )
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No monetary items would be included.
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What I think what a Donator should get as return:
*Donator status/rank on forum (also highlighted name on forum)
*Custom Phone number
*Able to do colour in /ad
*Be a part of Donator group (the group got luxury vehicles and HQ and no leader)
*Free In game name change (Can only be used ONCE)
*Able to add neon to the vehicle (if its possible)
*20 procent discount to buy any business/vehicles/house (Can only be used ONCE)
Why don't you contact Gandlaf to buy this server?
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I support this idea. If Argo gets more donations then it will be easier for Argo. I support this idea, but houses and vehicles, meh, not really.
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What changes will the players get? Except from the ability to pay for some features?
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Why don't you contact Gandlaf to buy this server?
haha why would i?
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Why don't you contact Gandlaf to buy this server?
(http://i.imgur.com/s65obRx.jpg)
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After considering the views and ideas shared by the community I have decided we will not pursue this idea any further. We will continue to of course always accept donations and ensure they go to keeping the server running.
Thanks for sharing your input.