You got a big point. I can already see corruption even from the representatives of our server. I didn't expect such things from our representative. This election should be done clean, without any shit that is happening now. People have started buying houses in FC just to vote for LV candidate?
Dean come be my neighbor, we have tons of houses available for you!
and here you go.
- http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=114447.msg1798330#msg1798330 (http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=114447.msg1798330#msg1798330)
Lol, this is a new player who has been working in my party for some time. Just trying to help him out on how to vote.
Whatever they do as citizens is not related to their duties as Server Leadership/Management.
Lol, this is a new player who has been working in my party for some time. Just trying to help him out on how to vote.
Where did the picture go?
Okay I will sell my trailer, if you give me 50k. Kthxbai
There's corruption everywhere, politics and government itself, it's part of the roleplay, strike back with the same weapon or deal with it.
What is wrong with a mayoral candidate helping homeless people get a home in order to make their lives better aswell as the city and surrounding areas itself? All mayors have the option to do so, just some are not as wealthy as others, and that is their own problem.
I mean, someone probably gave you 50k to buy it in the first place.Nope, It was unowned like every other trailer in the trailer park.
What is wrong with a mayoral candidate helping homeless people get a home in order to make their lives better aswell as the city and surrounding areas itself? All mayors have the option to do so, just some are not as wealthy as others, and that is their own problem.
What is wrong with a mayoral candidate helping homeless people get a home in order to make their lives better aswell as the city and surrounding areas itself? All mayors have the option to do so, just some are not as wealthy as others, and that is their own problem.I think it's about the way it's being offered. If you ask me, it bends a bit more towards forcing than helping.
There's corruption everywhere, politics and government itself, it's part of the roleplay. Strike back with the same weapon or deal with it.Indeed try to do riots in front of CH,etc...if you want to fight corruption.
Indeed try to do riots in front of CH,etc...if you want to fight corruption.
Indeed try to do riots in front of CH,etc...if you want to fight corruption.
What's wrong is doing it the day elections start. And the whole topic is not about the picture. The guy probably hasn't been around for three months so his vote should not count.Everything related to that will be verified and I'm pretty sure about that.
I can already see corruption even from the representatives of our server.
Suck it up and deal with it buttercups.
deal with it buttercups.
buttercups.
It's all about fair play, Mikal. Trust me is not problem of wealth.Fair play in politics. Right.
And you can't denied anyone's right to buy a house and vote. Even if someone financed him.
#TruthNo doubt.
For me, someone needs to have 1month+ with a house in SF/LS/LV... so he can vote! Not just randoom purchase and vote.(?)
No doubt.(?)
No way to verify when a house was purchased in RP.
No way to verify when a house was purchased in RP.
That is simply hilarious. You're saying that in the USA, the government doesn't have files precisely saying when a house was built, bought, renovated w/e?
No way to verify when a house was purchased in RP.
So you mean to tell me that we just lose our house license?
lol what. You don't even make sense buddy. Sorry, learn what you're talking about first. We're talking about verifying the date when which a property was purchased in-game. You can talk all about the theoretical RP ways of having one, but unless it was done before hand it's not possible for the CIA or any person or group to directly verify when a house was purchased.When in the past was there an RP way to find where money came from?
Can someone tell me what picture was removed? Because I can't possibly imagine what relevance would we see in the picture?
Everyone knew the rules of the game, way before the game started. Same goes for Dennis suggestion and Kostas comment. Where were you to propose this back when the rules on voting were announced? To start a open public debate about it?
You were no where. By not doing anything, you gave full legitimacy to those rules of elections. Now's too late for post cleverness.
lol what
Can someone tell me what picture was removed? Because I can't possibly imagine what relevance would we see in the picture?
Look I am seriously trying to keep myself out of this. But are you saying that in this game, you can find how certain sums of money were earned in RP, and you cant find when a property was bought in RP?
This picture was removed, without a proper reason given doeAnd? What's the problem here?
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And you can't denied anyone's right to buy a house and vote. Even if someone financed him.
We purchase house licenses, and then we lose them when we buy property. It would be logical that we receive some note to show us we own that property. The same way we can prove we own a property should be the way we know since when we own it.
What relevance does the purchase date of a property have to do with the elections? At this point in time there is nothing stating you must own a property for a set period of time.
What relevance does the purchase date of a property have to do with the elections? At this point in time there is nothing stating you must own a property for a set period of time.
That's exactly what this topic is about. But it got derailed for some reason. We're just standing up against people buying property just to vote and then leaving it. We proposed that only people who have owned the property prior to the 1st of November be able to vote for that area so there's no "election-tourism", as people who recently moved in have no way to know what's best for the city.
Again, tell me what can the CIA do entirely in RP to verify when a property was purchased. The exact in-game only procedure for doing so.
Because certain people supporting a certain party are buying houses in some areas so they can vote?Which isn't disallowed?
That's exactly what this topic is about. But it got derailed for some reason. We're just standing up against people buying property just to vote and then leaving it. We proposed that only people who have owned the property prior to the 1st of November be able to vote for that area so there's no "election-tourism", as people who recently moved in have no way to know what's best for the city.
Everyone knew the rules of the game, way before the game started. Same goes for Dennis suggestion and Kostas comment. Where were you to propose this back when the rules on voting were announced? To start a open public debate about it?
You were no where. By not doing anything, you gave full legitimacy to those rules of elections. Now's too late for post cleverness. And with that being said, every 'critics of the system' you bring up now, is silly.
Because certain people supporting a certain party are buying houses in some areas so they can vote?
That's exactly what this topic is about. But it got derailed for some reason. We're just standing up against people buying property just to vote and then leaving it. We proposed that only people who have owned the property prior to the 1st of November be able to vote for that area so there's no "election-tourism", as people who recently moved in have no way to know what's best for the city.
>person goes to vote
>brings proof of residence
>proof is a document of him owning property in said city/area
>document shows the date when the house was purchased...
It's not rocket science.
There is no RP way to track down money. We can track money as managers sure, but that's not RP.
It would also mean HQ need to spend time looking through logs for when every single person voting purchased a property thus wasting time unnecessarily which really should be a roleplay matter not staff matter.
Can you bring back the topic where Mayors posted their apps please?
So I propose a change in the election rules.
And I doubt San Fierro people would know what that is.The same "people of San Fierro" have been trying their best to bring action in San Fierro and make San Fierro alive for years now, while you started some project in Fort Carson just 1-2 months ago and think you can criticize someone. :app:
was just an RP excuse to counter people cheating. No actual verification was done because it's not possible. I see now you are all talking about pure RP verification. I am talking about script-supported in-game RP verification. Sure, go ahead and ask everyone to verify purely in RP when they purchased their house. Let me know how that works out for you.
/me shows a document saying he purchased his house in 1921
The same "people of San Fierro" have been trying their best to bring action in San Fierro and make San Fierro alive for years now, while you started some project in Fort Carson just 1-2 months ago and think you can criticize someone. :app:
Yes Cofi, everyone sees you and your friends had the game rigged from the start and had this all planned. I couldn't give two fucks about this being set up. This topic was made to call for a change and disallow these things to happen. And I was not "nowhere" to let this happen. I'm just a citizen of Fort Carson who wishes for the best of the city. And I doubt San Fierro people would know what that is. So I propose a change in the election rules.All I see is you moaning right now. No real argument that counters mine did you point out. You were no where to raise this questions once the elections rules were made.
But anyway, hope you're comfortable in some people's pockets lmao
Oh come on... well get another RP excuse here, but this time fullfill it and dont lie about it.
All I see is you moaning right now. No real argument that counters mine did you point out. You were no where to raise this questions once the elections rules were made.
Yes citizens of San Fierro doesn't wish the best for their city. That's why it turned from a ghost town with 3 houses, and 4 businesses, to a place where everyone wants a peace of it, and often it has more people and roleplay happening in it, then in LS.
San Fierro people doesn't wish the best for their city, they've worked hard for their city last 7 years.
Then tell me what the fuck you want me to do. There is seriously nothing I can do right now to verify people's property legitimately.
Just check the logs of today, see if they purchased it today or yesterday. If they did disallow them. Also, it's not "mid-way through elections", it's the first day.
That isn't in RP. We're not going to spend our time as managers combing over A YEARS worth of logs to verify properties. Simply outrageous.
Put your glasses on, I was talking about wishing the best for Fort Carson/Las Venturas.Lol mate you're starting to deny things you wrote in your previous reply.
I'm just a citizen of Fort Carson who wishes for the best of the city. And I doubt San Fierro people would know what that is.And you got my response on that.
I don't wear glasses, I got an excellent view, this is what you said:And you got my response on that.
People are still restricted to only have the ability to vote in a single location even if they own multiple houses.
For a change like that to happen mid-way through elections would be rather nit-picking at factors previously unforeseen that may be negatively affecting a party or parties.
It would also mean HQ need to spend time looking through logs for when every single person voting purchased a property thus wasting time unnecessarily which really should be a roleplay matter not staff matter.
You put on your glasses too. It's two days worth of logs for no more than 5/6 people. RPly you get a document showing you bought the property and you bring it to the election room to prove you live there.
Non-RPly(Out of the game) - just check if the person bought the house on the 1st/2nd of November. If they did then remove their vote/don't allow them to vote.
This is getting out of hand. Before you start moaning more about it, I highly recommend you check SLP's topic. Where were you when we were hosting fundraisers? Where were you when we were organizing public speeches each week?
Where? I'll tell you where. Nowhere. All you did was adding "Long Live The Empire" to your profiles and signatures. You'll need better than that, my friend.
Well, It's all a matter of point of view Cofi. It's a city filled with basically two illegal groups and their friends, fighting each other in any way they can. The amount of citizens is close to zero, and the amount of even officers patrolling the streets is also close to zero. Anyway I see no reason in continuing. Excuses everywhere, atleast they are now a lil bit proper. For the record, I never claimed that this is the right time for such a rule to be added, it was the stupid reasons for it not to be added that got me furious.You need to visit SF more if that's what you really think. In my opinion a lot of the time there is more RP going on in SF than there is in LS, but most people don't realize it because they are blinded by the fact that Los Santos' "RP" is mostly new players driving around, not knowing what to do and just carkilling people, more cops on the street (this wasn't a problem in SF during RS4, but it is what it is now) and just a lot of admins and random people f**cking around at LSPD or LS Cityhall. Apart from that you also got groups and their friends doing the same thing what you mentioned regarding SF. The level of SF's RP is AT LEAST at the same level of the RP going on in LS.
I expected exactly this so I decided to help you out there by registering all inhabitants of LV two weeks ago.
All SkyHawk voters bought it after this. I'll leave the arguing to someone else, it's pretty selfexplanatory.
Good game guys, good game.
I did this for the residents of LV.
Where was SkyHawk before the elections? Inactive.I do not recall you organizing something rather than an inactive Fort Carson topic.
RP you have files, actually due it through your lovely admin commands, and don't you tell me those admin commands were never used in the past like that.
Good game. Nothing against it. As we keep saying, the elections are in progress. We cannot change the rules now. You should've suggested this when I did tell you the rules in advance. In fact, you did make some suggestions and I did listen to those. So...
I do not recall you organizing something rather than an inactive Fort Carson topic.
Thanks I don't need glasses. Perhaps you should get yours on too. As I said, everything should be in-game. Since when is log checks in-game? Verification is something I want done in RP. This is a RP server (though people forget from time to time) and we want to encourage that in-game deal.
I do not recall you organizing something rather than an inactive Fort Carson topic.
I did suggest this, to Arslan while you were away due to unforeseen circumstances. Ask Arslan.
Well, It's all a matter of point of view Cofi. It's a city filled with basically two illegal groups and their friends, fighting each other in any way they can. The amount of citizens is close to zero, and the amount of even officers patrolling the streets is also close to zero.Marques, Ancelotti, Diablos, Koltsov, Sons of Anarchy, 5 different Triads, Luvinnieri, Diaz, plus many many more small short lasting groups that didn't last unfortunately.
"And I doubt San Fierro people woud know what -that-(The best for Fort Carson) is."Alright then. Yet you skipped to answer my reply to your "pocket reply".
What is Arslan? A member of the FBI who was in charge of verification of candidates.
What am I? Lead scripter in charge of arranging all the rules for this and the entire scenario.
Let's play a game. Who should you have suggested it to?
Marques, Ancelotti, Diablos, Koltsov, Sons of Anarchy, 5 different Triads, Luvinnieri, Diaz, plus many many more small short lasting groups that didn't last unfortunately.
They were all citizens of San Fierro, including people like Indica, Mario Rinna, Patton, JayL, DHR Mike, and many more random non criminal people.
As for famous San Fierro people among law force : Pancher, Trane, Drix, and many more cops, back when SFPD was a separate division. I remember having to constantly outbid for houses with cops who moved in.
All these people were living in peace and harmony. The first real roleplays between cops and suspects were happening in San Fierro between San Fierro citizens. One in which Trane and Pancher doesnt rush in with a Buffalo on me and shot instantly, yet they come with a SFPD car to me and ask did I saw some Cofiliano guy. One in which we don't instantly shot cops on sight, yet we roleplay it out to the end without a single bullet fired.
As I understood, the reason cops aren't living anymore in San Fierro like before, is because SFPD doesn't exist anymore as a division. Which I would really like to see happen again.
As for random civilians, that's not the problem of San Fierro, yet the problem of the entire Community, that most of the people pick either being a criminal, or a law officer, with like 10 percent exception.
But your friends don't benefit from that so you keep it going. :/
I've been based in LV since before you even played on the server.I respect that my friend, indeed, quite some time before my arrival, but what I do not get is where are the voters then?
That's not him/AIP. That's the Angels of Death Motorcycle Club who have nothing to do with the Imperial Party. What we have done in Fort Carson was trough the AoD. So find a better argument.That's my point, he obviously wasn't much of an inspiration to the people of LV, therefore he is going down, for now.
I respect that my friend, indeed, quite some time before my arrival, but what I do not get is where are the voters then?
the people of LV.
Arslan? The person closest in charge of this entire sherade after you.
I suggested to him that voters should've been residents for at least 1-2 month prior to the ANNOUNCEMENT of elections.
I just want to say......this is bullshit....house license cost 150k :( I guess i going be homeless forever HAHAH
You're talking about groups who "were", people who "were" in San Fierro. We're talking about today. Yes, San Fierro has people in it, but it's nothing like the past.Kostas implied that the only thing contribution that made SF popular was "two illegal groups fighting each other". Hence my reply.
I've lived in Fierro while I was in Ancelotti and I can say that Gvardia contributed alot to the popularity of the city. But you're just derailing the topic so please, keep on topic.
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imma just leave this here lmao
On this note, we have been discussing this recently and moving forward are working on a solution that is balanced.
Good...in mean time im moving into your house untill its fixed =) I hope your house got wifi haha
Good...in mean time im moving into your house untill its fixed =) I hope your house got wifi hahaNice ice-breaking skills btw evil clown. :hah:
WiFi, pool (indoor and outdoor), helipad, plenty of beds. You'll enjoy the stay :)
Good...in mean time im moving into your house untill its fixed =) I hope your house got wifi haha
Maybe instead of moaning when things aren't going in your favour, maybe you should look at why you're getting fewer votes.For the win.
Do you think your manifesto/policy appeals to normal everyday citizens? Do you think that anything you have posted is realistic or would remotely interest any citizen apart from the supporters you have?
Last time I checked every candidate had 1 million ready to use for their campaign, why doesn't the AIP use similar tactics to what the SLP has apparently done?