Citizens against Election-Tourism

[Teddy]

So you mean to tell me that we just lose our house license?

lol what. You don't even make sense buddy. Sorry, learn what you're talking about first. We're talking about verifying the date when which a property was purchased in-game. You can talk all about the theoretical RP ways of having one, but unless it was done before hand it's not possible for the CIA or any person or group to directly verify when a house was purchased.

[Kostas]

Look I am seriously trying to keep myself out of this. But are you saying that in this game, you can find how certain sums of money were earned in RP, and you cant find when a property was bought in RP? Please don't force me to keep on with this. You don't want this and it is clear, but don't try to give a justified reason. The idea is legit and nice, and is something that would help the CIA and the FBI and who ever is working on it, to fight that RP-Corruption.

Also this Argonath RPG SAMP. We've tried to recreate a country in here, we have presidents, mayors, police chiefs, drugs, imports, exports , medics, fire fighters, taxi dirvers, two truckers, a functioning Court Hall, lawers who even received a "licence". And being able to know when a house was bought is "too much"?

lol what. You don't even make sense buddy. Sorry, learn what you're talking about first. We're talking about verifying the date when which a property was purchased in-game. You can talk all about the theoretical RP ways of having one, but unless it was done before hand it's not possible for the CIA or any person or group to directly verify when a house was purchased.

When in the past was there an RP way to find where money came from?

@Teddy

[Cofiliano]

Can someone tell me what picture was removed? Because I can't possibly imagine what relevance would we see in the picture? 

Everyone knew the rules of the game, way before the game started. Same goes for Dennis suggestion and Kostas comment. Where were you to propose this back when the rules on voting were announced? To start a open public debate about it?

You were no where. By not doing anything, you gave full legitimacy to those rules of elections. Now's too late for post cleverness.  And with that being said, every 'critics of the system' you bring up now, is silly.

[Kostas]

Can someone tell me what picture was removed? Because I can't possibly imagine what relevance would we see in the picture? 

Everyone knew the rules of the game, way before the game started. Same goes for Dennis suggestion and Kostas comment. Where were you to propose this back when the rules on voting were announced? To start a open public debate about it?

You were no where. By not doing anything, you gave full legitimacy to those rules of elections. Now's too late for post cleverness.

Now that's a proper point against that rule. But the whole" Oh me god, I cannot find out when you bought your house" is bullshit.

@Teddy

[TheGreasyChopper]

lol what

We purchase house licenses, and then we lose them when we buy property. It would be logical that we receive some note to show us we own that property. The same way we can prove we own a property should be the way we know since when we own it.

Can someone tell me what picture was removed? Because I can't possibly imagine what relevance would we see in the picture? 

This picture was removed, without a proper reason given doe

[Teddy]

For anyone who was offended about the picture that got removed and crying about bias... the moderator in question has been removed.

The official stance is we will permit RP corruption and political tactic. There is no reason to deny it. We permit police to RP corrupt, why would we stop it somewhere else? It's illogical.

Look I am seriously trying to keep myself out of this. But are you saying that in this game, you can find how certain sums of money were earned in RP, and you cant find when a property was bought in RP?

There is no RP way to track down money. We can track money as managers sure, but that's not RP.

[Cofiliano]

This picture was removed, without a proper reason given doe

And? What's the problem here?

And you can't denied anyone's right to buy a house and vote. Even if someone financed him.

All legit.

[Teddy]

We purchase house licenses, and then we lose them when we buy property. It would be logical that we receive some note to show us we own that property. The same way we can prove we own a property should be the way we know since when we own it.

and how do you verify this now? This would have to have been done since the beginning of RS5. Has it? Who would be able to verify? Nobody. No elections? Might have actually been a good idea.

[Devin]

What relevance does the purchase date of a property have to do with the elections? At this point in time there is nothing stating you must own a property for a set period of time.

[AK47]

What relevance does the purchase date of a property have to do with the elections? At this point in time there is nothing stating you must own a property for a set period of time.

Because certain people supporting a certain party are buying houses in some areas so they can vote?

[TheGreasyChopper]

What relevance does the purchase date of a property have to do with the elections? At this point in time there is nothing stating you must own a property for a set period of time.

That's exactly what this topic is about. But it got derailed for some reason. We're just standing up against people buying property just to vote and then leaving it. We proposed that only people who have owned the property prior to the 1st of November be able to vote for that area so there's no "election-tourism", as people who recently moved in have no way to know what's best for the city.

[Teddy]

That's exactly what this topic is about. But it got derailed for some reason. We're just standing up against people buying property just to vote and then leaving it. We proposed that only people who have owned the property prior to the 1st of November be able to vote for that area so there's no "election-tourism", as people who recently moved in have no way to know what's best for the city.

Again, tell me what can the CIA do entirely in RP to verify when a property was purchased. The exact in-game only procedure for doing so.

[TheGreasyChopper]

Again, tell me what can the CIA do entirely in RP to verify when a property was purchased. The exact in-game only procedure for doing so.

>person goes to vote
>brings proof of residence
>proof is a document of him owning property in said city/area
>document shows the date when the house was purchased...

It's not rocket science.

[Cofiliano]

Because certain people supporting a certain party are buying houses in some areas so they can vote?

Which isn't disallowed?

That's exactly what this topic is about. But it got derailed for some reason. We're just standing up against people buying property just to vote and then leaving it. We proposed that only people who have owned the property prior to the 1st of November be able to vote for that area so there's no "election-tourism", as people who recently moved in have no way to know what's best for the city.

Everyone knew the rules of the game, way before the game started. Same goes for Dennis suggestion and Kostas comment. Where were you to propose this back when the rules on voting were announced? To start a open public debate about it?

You were no where. By not doing anything, you gave full legitimacy to those rules of elections. Now's too late for post cleverness.  And with that being said, every 'critics of the system' you bring up now, is silly.

[Teddy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homes_for_votes_scandal

To those who think this isn't something that happens.


Had someone made these suggestions, we brought up elections, we would've considered it. We would've had time to make the scripts to support verification of purchase date. We would've setup the boundaries and set it into the rules. Now your party is losing and you need to make a big deal of it. Question is, if your party was winning... would this topic exist? Probably not.