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Title: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Devin on November 14, 2015, 12:18:27 am
France has declared a national state of emergency and has closed its borders after at least 40 people were killed in multiple shootings in Paris.

At least 15 people have been killed near the Bataclan arts centre, where up to 60 people are reportedly being held hostage, French media say.
Three people were killed in an attack at the Stade de France, with some reports suggesting a suicide blast.
Paris authorities have asked people to stay indoors.
Military personnel are being deployed across Paris.


Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34814203



‘Unprecedented terrorist attacks’: French President declares state of emergency, closes borders

Amid the “unprecedented terrorist attacks” that have resulted in dozens of deaths, French President Francois Hollande has declared a state of emergency and announced that France will close its borders.

Dozens of people have lost their lives in a series of apparently coordinated attacks in the French capital on Friday evening. Addressing the nation, President Francois Hollande called on everyone to remain strong and show “compassion and unity.”

“There is much to fear, but we must face these fears as a nation that knows how to muster its forces and will confront the terrorists,” the president said.

In the wake of the "unprecedented terrorist attacks," Hollande has ordered the French military to deploy reinforcements in the capital.


Source: https://www.rt.com/news/321910-france-emergency-unprecedented-terrorist/
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Bruce. on November 14, 2015, 12:26:27 am
#Pray4Paris :( This is just something really tragic... let's hope there won't be anymore victims....
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Dizzy. on November 14, 2015, 12:47:46 am
Very sad, but there are Muslims involed, figured...

if they're really Involved i won't call them so
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Devin on November 14, 2015, 12:51:28 am
State of emergency declared; France has closed its boarders. The first time something like this has happened since 9/11.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Hevar. on November 14, 2015, 12:59:20 am
message from inside bataclan:

Can someone translate this? =)
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTuaR-CWcAAV5LC.jpg)
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Erion. on November 14, 2015, 01:03:22 am
message from inside bataclan:

Can someone translate this? =)
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTuaR-CWcAAV5LC.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/tx8rqbn.jpg)
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Ramo_Hawk on November 14, 2015, 01:11:54 am
Jesus fucking christ.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Luke on November 14, 2015, 01:17:31 am
I physically feel sick watching this, I cannot process it all.  :(
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Devin on November 14, 2015, 01:19:36 am
Supposedly around 100 dead inside the hostage situation within the Bataclan...
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Luke on November 14, 2015, 01:20:21 am
Supposedly around 100 dead inside the hostage situation within the Bataclan...

Just heard that, their saying that they pretty much killed everyone inside.  :(
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Dizzy. on November 14, 2015, 01:21:06 am
message from inside bataclan:

Can someone translate this? =)
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTuaR-CWcAAV5LC.jpg)

shit, that guy said he's inside the building in the first floor with injures,and he's shouting for help
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Luke on November 14, 2015, 01:22:13 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjecOcs3SKs&feature=iv&src_vid=pCIk1ANXXQo&annotation_id=annotation_3273813343

Is just unreal.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Devin on November 14, 2015, 01:26:50 am
Horrendous, and honestly there are some things people should not record.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Dizzy. on November 14, 2015, 01:32:10 am
Supposedly around 100 dead inside the hostage situation within the Bataclan...

there is difference in news between stations, i heard they found around  60 dead currently!!
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Alarba on November 14, 2015, 01:33:48 am
Sick fucks.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Manoni on November 14, 2015, 01:34:47 am
This is a real tragedy, getting drown into such reality is something that nobody should be living.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Marcell on November 14, 2015, 01:36:19 am
Here we go again, I wonder what their motives were.......HMMMMMMMMMMMM.......yeah I think it's probably just some mad frenchmen who didn't like their croissants this day of week
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Devin on November 14, 2015, 01:39:00 am
there is difference in news between stations, i heard they find around  60 dead currently!!

Whatever news station you are using is extremely behind; the gunmen inside the Bataclan have been killed and at least 100 people are dead inside of the building; another 40 or so are dead from the other locations of attacks.



Here we go again, I wonder what their motives were.......HMMMMMMMMMMMM.......yeah I think it's probably just some mad frenchmen who didn't like their croissants this day of week

This is really not amusing.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Ramo_Hawk on November 14, 2015, 01:40:54 am
I believe they filmed some of the people were rescued in that hostage situation.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 14, 2015, 01:45:22 am
BBC is reporting that a refugee camp in Calais has been set on fire and may be a 'revenge attack'...
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Dizzy. on November 14, 2015, 01:48:42 am
Whatever news station you are using is extremely behind; the gunmen inside the Bataclan have been killed and at least 100 people are dead inside of the building; another 40 or so are dead from the other locations of attacks.

ikr, the number of dead rises every moment they search.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: ahmedXD on November 14, 2015, 02:08:01 am
Hope their spirits are in heaven.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 14, 2015, 02:09:17 am
118 people now confirmed dead inside theatre.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Devin on November 14, 2015, 02:12:42 am
120 excluding the 40 from other locations.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 14, 2015, 02:15:10 am
Why is it always France, seriously... There are so many other countries in Europe which have pretty much no border control.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Devin on November 14, 2015, 02:23:32 am
No idea how accurate it is but there was a message somewhere stating that one of the gunmen shouted "This is for Syria" before shooting at people earlier.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Marcell on November 14, 2015, 02:31:14 am
Why is it always France, seriously... There are so many other countries in Europe which have pretty much no border control.
Not really, no. First of all, the muslim percentage of whole population in France is about 8,5% I think by now (before anyone gets butthurt that I'm 'racist', witnesses have quoted the terrorists (classic allahu akbar, also 'this is for syria')) and the fact that the goverment supported *refugees* unofficially, such as creating ridiculous U-turns for large trucks in Calais so the migrants would get a chance to hop on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uERlkc_uzjU
doesn't help much either.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 14, 2015, 02:36:34 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uERlkc_uzjU
Wow so they've actually been trying to give the illegal immigrants more of a chance to hop on lorries to the UK... :uhm:
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Kaze on November 14, 2015, 02:40:31 am
#PrayForParis

There's so much shit I would say right now but it would lead to a permanent community ban and someone would trace my IP and I'd end up doing 30 years for life if they show up at my door. Fuck this, I'm so pissed off.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Marcell on November 14, 2015, 02:52:44 am
I think this just shows murrica's strongest point - gun ownership. Those 100 people rounded up for slaughter as sheep, imagine what would happen if at least 10 would have firearms?

inb4 'YE BUT SO WHAT IF THEY HAD FIREARMS THEY'D KILL THEIR WHOLE FAMILIES AND SHOOT UP SCHOOLS WEEK EARLIER'
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Primus on November 14, 2015, 02:57:50 am
Why is it always France, seriously... There are so many other countries in Europe which have pretty much no border control.
U mad ?! Such things should not happen to any country at all....
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Devin on November 14, 2015, 02:59:47 am
There was believed to have been around 1200 people in the Bataclan when the situation began, at this point there is believed to have been 120 deaths inside the building and many more injuries.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Klaus on November 14, 2015, 03:04:09 am
This is sad.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 14, 2015, 03:17:29 am
I think this just shows murrica's strongest point - gun ownership. Those 100 people rounded up for slaughter as sheep, imagine what would happen if at least 10 would have firearms?
How many hundreds of people die in the US every year because of guns? Certainly more than 100.

U mad ?! Such things should not happen to any country at all....
I never said it should, I just asked why specifically France, for the second time.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: SkyHawk on November 14, 2015, 03:20:14 am
Unthinkable acts need to come to an end. #PrayersforFrance coming from the United States. It's time for the world to take a stance on terrorism and stop groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS from conducting these senseless acts and crack down on terrorism as a whole.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Marcell on November 14, 2015, 03:25:59 am
How many hundreds of people die in the US every year because of guns? Certainly more than 100.
Considering that (in USA) guns cause only 0,85% of the total killings per year and most of gun killings are due to attacks in the retarded 'no gun zones' I'd say it's worth it, in fact most gun related deaths are suicides and that's saying something.
Also I can't even express how flawed the logic is, because I'm guessing you mean the mass killings, and mass killings are almost always caused by illegal guns - those terrorists today didn't give a shit if their guns were legal, did they?
Sure, you hear about school sprees etc. in America all the time, because that's what the media want you to hear. You don't hear the hundred of daily cases, where a gun saves someone's life, because basic rule of media is that good news is never a good seller. USA doesn't have a gun problem, it has an attitude problem - somehow in 40s/50s for example they didn't have as strict laws as today, yet nobody went to shoot up schools and all.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Badandy on November 14, 2015, 04:25:03 am
I don't think right now, right after a massive tragedy is the time to start making political arguments, right now is the time for mourning and stay hopeful for the future and maybe in a few days, we can come back together and see what to do about this, but for now, I think it's just time for mourning... #PrayersForFrance
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Alfreddo. on November 14, 2015, 05:33:56 am

I never said it should, I just asked why specifically France, for the second time.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11701164/Why-has-France-become-a-target-for-recent-terror-attacks.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11701164/Why-has-France-become-a-target-for-recent-terror-attacks.html)
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Loris on November 14, 2015, 06:39:15 am
I Don't have any words...  Just #PrayForFrance #PrayForParis

(http://i63.tinypic.com/3465mrk.jpg)
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Khm on November 14, 2015, 07:01:58 am
This the same thing that happened in Sousse, Tunisia... (a muslim country)  but with a larger number. Innocents don't deserve that all, why..
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Alfreddo. on November 14, 2015, 07:45:23 am
This the same thing that happened in Sousse, Tunisia... (a muslim country)  but with a larger number. Innocents don't deserve that all, why..
Innocents always pays for something that they're not even aware of and that's the saddest thing ever.

Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Ramis on November 14, 2015, 07:59:29 am
Death toll - 120-140
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: AnoneteX on November 14, 2015, 08:36:02 am
(http://i.imgur.com/YRYhJfY.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Pedro. on November 14, 2015, 11:00:26 am
may god be with you Cyril Olaso
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Devin on November 14, 2015, 11:47:21 am
There is a difference between extremists who kill and destroy for what they believe in and Muslims. Either brush up on those factors or don't bother posting as it's clear some people are simply here to cause arguments.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Devin on November 14, 2015, 12:24:31 pm
Unnecessary posts have been removed; punishment has also been issued to those offenders.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Ramis on November 14, 2015, 12:27:11 pm
If you don't give a 'funk' then keep your own fucked up knowledge for yourself, don't share those false information with people.
I already showed my careness for those people whom unfortunately were victims of such terrorist organisation, you're blind enough to see it.
"christian list" "spreading terror" "supporting IS?" are you normal man? :neutral2:

Im just fine.
And how did you shown your careness? Over the web? Aha it had just stopped the IS and others from making terrorist activities after your post.
GG m9 the world must be thankful.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Ramis on November 14, 2015, 12:27:50 pm
Unnecessary posts have been removed; punishment has also been issued to those offenders.

K lol mr.cat ,  must be a lot of butthurt for ya guys.
That warning havent changed my view about this.
*spills gas on the spot on fire*
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Stivi on November 14, 2015, 12:33:13 pm
K lol mr.cat ,  must be a lot of butthurt for ya guys.
That warning havent changed my view about this.
*spills gas on the spot on fire*
DUUUUUUUUUUUUDE, wtf are you on about?
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Ramis on November 14, 2015, 12:39:35 pm
DUUUUUUUUUUUUDE, wtf are you on about?

If you want , send me a pm. Doesnt seem like they does love the public posts. #CozCensorshipFTW
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: yaz000n on November 14, 2015, 12:43:38 pm
There is a difference between extremists who kill and destroy for what they believe in and Muslims. Either brush up on those factors or don't bother posting as it's clear some people are simply here to cause arguments.

I agree with devin
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 14, 2015, 12:45:42 pm
Considering that (in USA) guns cause only 0,85% of the total killings per year and most of gun killings are due to attacks in the retarded 'no gun zones' I'd say it's worth it, in fact most gun related deaths are suicides and that's saying something.
Also I can't even express how flawed the logic is, because I'm guessing you mean the mass killings, and mass killings are almost always caused by illegal guns - those terrorists today didn't give a shit if their guns were legal, did they?
Sure, you hear about school sprees etc. in America all the time, because that's what the media want you to hear. You don't hear the hundred of daily cases, where a gun saves someone's life, because basic rule of media is that good news is never a good seller. USA doesn't have a gun problem, it has an attitude problem - somehow in 40s/50s for example they didn't have as strict laws as today, yet nobody went to shoot up schools and all.
You completely ignore the ACTUAL NUMBER of deaths per year via guns and instead give some stupid percentage about how the population size makes it a small and insignificant amount, massacres in the US have been rising year on year, infact you're currently on your 325th 'mass shooting' of 2015, having guns to stop people shooting only makes it easier for people to shoot.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Marcell on November 14, 2015, 12:55:49 pm
There is a difference between extremists who kill and destroy for what they believe in and Muslims. Either brush up on those factors or don't bother posting as it's clear some people are simply here to cause arguments.
The problem is that the only thing non-extremists do is just whine 'OH BUT STOP INSULTING MA RELIGION THOSE PEOPLE ARENT MUSLIM THEY ARE TERRORISTS!!!'. If the non-extremists would start actually doing something, give a proper message, I don't know, maybe organize some anti jihad marches - then that'd be totally fine. But just sitting back and whining is not gonna help your image. This is a totally justified reaction from people, now it's muslims turn to make us believe that they're normal - not ours. Do manifestations, speeches (against the extremists) organize prayers for the victims, so people don't mistake 'real' muslims for the extremists. Did they ever do that? No.
@Mikal
lol, I won't even argue with you because there is no point, you've been brainwashed by european union / liberal media. Know why I won't bother? because trust me, if you were those people, you would BEG whoever you believe in to have a gun on you, instead of a stupid f**cking smartphone so that you can tweet that you're dying. If you want to be a defenseless victim, that is your choice. This is exactly what terrorists want you to be, a defenseless f**cking sheep who can only cry or post a tweet that you're dying and need help, would you also be so anti-gun, if someone broke into your house and was about to kill you? yes you still would be, you would be proud to think that dialing a phone on your number will magically save you. The only reason why mass sprees in USA happen is because the goverment lets them to happen, frankly after ANY school shooting the country should deploy armed guard(s) to every school. Your logic is so flawed, now you will say something like 'NO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS ALL GUNS TO BE TAKEN AWAY' but you CAN'T take away ILLEGAL GUNS because the people who have them DON'T CARE that they're ILLEGAL. Is that so hard to comprehend? There were THOUSANDS of people thinking EXACTLY like you in USA, until they nearly lost their lifes and totally changed their opinions on gun ownership.
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12250035_723091641128739_6335137339198789290_n.jpg?oh=eeb38e39a29ef21dfb185df151aae335&oe=56F8F37D)
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Ramis on November 14, 2015, 12:59:37 pm
The problem is that the only thing non-extremists do is just whine 'OH BUT STOP INSULTING MA RELIGION THOSE PEOPLE ARENT MUSLIM THEY ARE TERRORISTS!!!'. If the non-extremists would start actually doing something, give a proper message, I don't know, maybe organize some anti jihad marches - then that'd be totally fine. But just sitting back and whining is not gonna help your image. This is a totally justified reaction from people, now it's muslims turn to make us believe that they're normal - not ours. Do manifestations, speeches (against the extremists) organize prayers for the victims, so people don't mistake 'real' muslims for the extremists. Did they ever do that? No.

At least this mate ^ is not a blind dude. +1 for idea
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Devin on November 14, 2015, 01:07:14 pm
K lol mr.cat ,  must be a lot of butthurt for ya guys.
That warning havent changed my view about this.
*spills gas on the spot on fire*

Real mature; I don't care what your view is on the situation. Keep your view to yourself if it is going to be offensive towards others and their beliefs.
I have no problem removing forum access from those out to disrupt the forum and disrespect others religions.

If you want , send me a pm. Doesnt seem like they does love the public posts. #CozCensorshipFTW

You call it censorship, I call showing respect towards others beliefs no matter your own view on a situation. This is not the place to disrespect others with your opinion.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Dizzy. on November 14, 2015, 01:09:56 pm
those who call themselves Muslims and kill citizens and innocent people, i won't call them that. cause Islam forbids to killing of innocent people, Perhaps there is ignorance or People behind this process want to tarnish the reputation of Muslims. even Muslims are victims under this attack.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Bundy on November 14, 2015, 01:12:52 pm
Happens daily in the Middle East, but yeah sad thing. Condolences.

Edit: Muslims won't have to explain themselves for the deeds of these people, stop taking the guilt.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Ramis on November 14, 2015, 01:15:24 pm
Real mature; I don't care what your view is on the situation. Keep your view to yourself if it is going to be offensive towards others and their beliefs.
I have no problem removing forum access from those out to disrupt the forum and disrespect others religions.

You call it censorship, I call showing respect towards others beliefs no matter your own view on a situation. This is not the place to disrespect others with your opinion.

Its a disrespect to not let me to have my opinion either.
Just because they are other religion , does not mean i must be set as wrong or right because i dont share their faith.
I dont mean to just offend random people , i mean to tell people what is wrong. But just because they`re muslim , you all find me "ignorant and disrespectful and racist".

(Kinda offtopic) Its just like the afro americans. They call each other the "N" word all the time , but when a whitey does , hes instantly called a racist.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Crassus on November 14, 2015, 01:17:26 pm
Happens daily in the Middle East, but yeah sad thing. Condolences.

Edit: Muslims won't have to explain themselves for the deeds of these people, stop taking the guilt.

Exactly what I thought. The media and the common man clearly sometimes value people's live in the West higher than the lives of the 3rd world and middle east. I find that more sad than this incident in France.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Sawyer on November 14, 2015, 01:25:06 pm
Is every french Argonathian safe? :(
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Leonardo Fernandez on November 14, 2015, 01:29:56 pm
The problem is that the only thing non-extremists do is just whine 'OH BUT STOP INSULTING MA RELIGION THOSE PEOPLE ARENT MUSLIM THEY ARE TERRORISTS!!!'. If the non-extremists would start actually doing something, give a proper message, I don't know, maybe organize some anti jihad marches - then that'd be totally fine. But just sitting back and whining is not gonna help your image. This is a totally justified reaction from people, now it's muslims turn to make us believe that they're normal - not ours. Do manifestations, speeches (against the extremists) organize prayers for the victims, so people don't mistake 'real' muslims for the extremists. Did they ever do that? No.
True muslims are already trying to fight back those terrorist groups in case you don't know, yet they are not as powerful as those ISIS groups that gets financial and weaponary support, thus there are no positive results, hence why Muslims die everyday from them. And since by power we're not able to stop them, and since more than half of this world thinks those terrorists organisations are real muslims, how would they get supported? do you really think true muslims would be able to fight such a big terrorist group alone? atleast give support, help us a bit. Be a part of helping instead of throwing offending words "go fight them" like it's an easy task everyone can do. why not you be supportive and help atleast by praying.
And believe me, there are already thousands of speeches, thousands Muslims praying for this to end, yet the media clearly value people's life in the west more, as @Crassus said. Hence why you are not noticing it. I'm not actually blaming you because you don't know, since nothing appeared on media, but don't answer on questions you are not sure whether they are true or not.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Erion. on November 14, 2015, 01:31:51 pm
True muslims are already trying to fight back those terrorist groups in case you don't know, yet they are not as powerful as those ISIS groups that gets financial and weaponary support, thus there are no positive results, hence why Muslims die everyday from them. And since by power we're not able to stop them, and since more than half of this world thinks those terrorists organisations are real muslims, how would they get supported? do you really think true muslims would be able to fight such a big terrorist group alone? atleast give support, help us a bit. Be a part of helping instead of throwing offending words "go fight them" like it's an easy task everyone can do. why not you be supportive and help atleast by praying.
And believe me, there are already thousands of speeches, thousands Muslims praying for this to end, yet the media clearly value people's life in the west more, as @Crassus said. Hence why you are not noticing it.

 :app: :app:
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Crassus on November 14, 2015, 01:33:42 pm
Just remember. In the end you cannot be responsible for other peoples action. YOU and YOU alone will be judged infront of God.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Dizzy. on November 14, 2015, 01:38:48 pm
Is every french Argonathian safe? :(

we hope Cyril in safe.

True muslims are already trying to fight back those terrorist groups in case you don't know, yet they are not as powerful as those ISIS groups that gets financial and weaponary support, thus there are no positive results, hence why Muslims die everyday from them. And since by power we're not able to stop them, and since more than half of this world thinks those terrorists organisations are real muslims, how would they get supported? do you really think true muslims would be able to fight such a big terrorist group alone? atleast give support, help us a bit. Be a part of helping instead of throwing offending words "go fight them" like it's an easy task everyone can do. why not you be supportive and help atleast by praying.
And believe me, there are already thousands of speeches, thousands Muslims praying for this to end, yet the media clearly value people's life in the west more, as @Crassus said. Hence why you are not noticing it. I'm not actually blaming you because you don't know, since nothing appeared on media, but don't answer on questions you are not sure whether they are true or not.

Respect  :app: :app:
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Adam on November 14, 2015, 01:41:03 pm
The problem is that the only thing non-extremists do is just whine 'OH BUT STOP INSULTING MA RELIGION THOSE PEOPLE ARENT MUSLIM THEY ARE TERRORISTS!!!'. If the non-extremists would start actually doing something, give a proper message, I don't know, maybe organize some anti jihad marches - then that'd be totally fine. But just sitting back and whining is not gonna help your image. This is a totally justified reaction from people, now it's muslims turn to make us believe that they're normal - not ours. Do manifestations, speeches (against the extremists) organize prayers for the victims, so people don't mistake 'real' muslims for the extremists. Did they ever do that? No.

They have actually did something, you just don't see it.
and when terrorists are not just a group, but a whole country, a government, then it won't be that easy to just simply eliminate them.
I won't specify those countries, as I might also offend the people of it, which are also innocent. But its clear.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Marcell on November 14, 2015, 01:45:14 pm
True muslims are already trying to fight back those terrorist groups in case you don't know, yet they are not as powerful as those ISIS groups that gets financial and weaponary support, thus there are no positive results, hence why Muslims die everyday from them. And since by power we're not able to stop them, and since more than half of this world thinks those terrorists organisations are real muslims, how would they get supported? do you really think true muslims would be able to fight such a big terrorist group alone? atleast give support, help us a bit. Be a part of helping instead of throwing offending words "go fight them" like it's an easy task everyone can do. why not you be supportive and help atleast by praying.
And believe me, there are already thousands of speeches, thousands Muslims praying for this to end, yet the media clearly value people's life in the west more, as @Crassus said. Hence why you are not noticing it. I'm not actually blaming you because you don't know, since nothing appeared on media, but don't answer on questions you are not sure whether they are true or not.
All I was really saying that people throwing people into one bag is a normal human reaction, and you can't expect to change it unless you work for it yourself. This is basic human behavior basically. What you wrote is great to hear, and I'm also well aware that the main problem is USA, who not only practically caused terrorism to appear but also should be held responsible for modern immigration crisis - because it's THEM who have been destabilizing Middle Eastern countries for 30 years (I think?) and no one else (sure other countries helped them, OK, but NATO is practically just a way of USA to fool other countries into alliances for their warmongering) should be held responsible.
Right now, I believe the blood is on hands of:
USA/Israel politicians
All liberal politicians and political parties, who decided to accept immigrants with no means of any defensive checks/precautions whatsoever (I'd like to remind everyone, that Israel said they won't accept any refugees because MOSSAD isn't able to determine who's a terrorist and who's not..... we're talking about MOSSAD here, not some mall security guards)
EDIT: also I make a small apology, I just heard that the muslim council in France negated the attack and ordered muslims to pray for the victims, it came up late in polish news, more of such actions is needed and less of 'omg u racist'.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 14, 2015, 01:52:29 pm
The problem is that the only thing non-extremists do is just whine 'OH BUT STOP INSULTING MA RELIGION THOSE PEOPLE ARENT MUSLIM THEY ARE TERRORISTS!!!'.
Islam has nothing to do with Islam, right?

@Mikal
lol, I won't even argue with you because there is no point, you've been brainwashed by european union / liberal media. Know why I won't bother? because trust me, if you were those people, you would BEG whoever you believe in to have a gun on you, instead of a stupid f**cking smartphone so that you can tweet that you're dying. If you want to be a defenseless victim, that is your choice. This is exactly what terrorists want you to be, a defenseless f**cking sheep who can only cry or post a tweet that you're dying and need help, would you also be so anti-gun, if someone broke into your house and was about to kill you? yes you still would be, you would be proud to think that dialing a phone on your number will magically save you. The only reason why mass sprees in USA happen is because the goverment lets them to happen, frankly after ANY school shooting the country should deploy armed guard(s) to every school. Your logic is so flawed, now you will say something like 'NO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS ALL GUNS TO BE TAKEN AWAY' but you CAN'T take away ILLEGAL GUNS because the people who have them DON'T CARE that they're ILLEGAL. Is that so hard to comprehend? There were THOUSANDS of people thinking EXACTLY like you in USA, until they nearly lost their lifes and totally changed their opinions on gun ownership.
I really don't know what you're onabout because, screw the EU, I don't like it and I don't want the UK inside it.
I could just say you're brainwashed by America media which has lead you to believe guns are nothing but good, but yeah those school shootings really benefit you don't they?
If one of the Muslims had a gun pointed at me, I'd like to think I'd do what ever possible to stop him, at the end of the day what have you got to lose? There is no negotiating with them, they will kill you, how many people in France 'got down' when told to do so? What if a few of them had said FUCK THIS and charged? They had nothing to lose, they were going to die regardless, all you can do in those situations is fight or die, 3 men with a gun vs 100? They stand no chance, I know I don't know what the exact situation was and how it went down and so I can't really judge them, but all it takes is 1 person to get hold of the terrorists gun.
You don't have to be a defenceless victim.

Guns will never work in Europe, so there's no point talking about it.

On a side note: There's also something going down right now in Bagnolet in France, the BBC said something about an explosion and gun shots.
Edit on this: French police have said the 'explosions' were caused by fire crackers at a wedding - WHO THE F**K uses fire crackers at a wedding not even 24 hours after all this crap?
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: AK47 on November 14, 2015, 01:53:28 pm
Instead of "pray for Paris" to a "god" that nothing to prevent this, why no do someting that makes sense in this tragedy? Send money to the brave men and women in IS-occupied areas that daily need to fight tyrannts and oppression
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: RizzE. on November 14, 2015, 01:54:41 pm
I think the Muslim countries needs to start a coalition against IS.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Marcell on November 14, 2015, 01:55:08 pm
Instead of "pray for Paris" to a "god" that nothing to prevent this, why no do someting that makes sense in this tragedy? Send money to the brave men and women in IS-occupied areas that daily need to fight tyrannts and oppression
No, let's just spam hashtags everywhere and put up some lights that are colored like France's flag, that's definately gonna work (especially that this was what, the 4th terrorist attack in France in recent years?)
@Mikal
Yes, I agree that those people could have just charged them. They all thought 'oh man I'm not gonna do that I'd die' and where it got them? Nearly all of them died as I'm aware. Look at the would-be attacker in the French train (don't remember when it was TBH) the US marine who was UNARMED charged the assaulter along with some people and basically saved 40+ people. But the reason why is this happening is because modern morals and values teach us that a human life is the biggest value, and that we shouldn't sacrifice ourselves but save ourselves instead. And this is why muslim-oriented terrorism is such a threat now, bigger than other kind of terrorism - it's because the extremists are not afraid to die, in fact they wish to die. They're not afraid of sacrificing their lives for what they believe in.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Leonardo Fernandez on November 14, 2015, 01:57:09 pm
All I was really saying that people throwing people into one bag is a normal human reaction, and you can't expect to change it unless you work for it yourself. This is basic human behavior basically. What you wrote is great to hear, and I'm also well aware that the main problem is USA, who not only practically caused terrorism to appear but also should be held responsible for modern immigration crisis - because it's THEM who have been destabilizing Middle Eastern countries for 30 years (I think?) and no one else (sure other countries helped them, OK, but NATO is practically just a way of USA to fool other countries into alliances for their warmongering) should be held responsible.
Right now, I believe the blood is on hands of:
USA/Israel politicians
All liberal politicians and political parties, who decided to accept immigrants with no means of any defensive checks/precautions whatsoever (I'd like to remind everyone, that Israel said they won't accept any refugees because MOSSAD isn't able to determine who's a terrorist and who's not..... we're talking about MOSSAD here, not some mall security guards)
EDIT: also I make a small apology, I just heard that the muslim council in France negated the attack and ordered muslims to pray for the victims, it came up late in polish news, more of such actions is needed and less of 'omg u racist'.
Agreed with this point, and thank you for understanding.
It isn't about "moaning" as much as requesting help from all the humans around the world.. since that's the only thing we can do besides fighting back that doesn't help but bring negative results.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Crassus on November 14, 2015, 01:57:36 pm
I think the Muslim countries needs to start a coalition against IS.

What year are you in?
There are daily fights between Muslims fighting ISIS

The Kurdish people has been in war with them for what, 1 year now?
They have shitty equipment but still fight against these type of scum.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: RizzE. on November 14, 2015, 02:00:08 pm
What year are you in?
There are daily fights between Muslims fighting ISIS

The Kurdish people has been in war with them for what, 1 year now?
They have shitty equipment but still fight against these type of scum.

Only 1 country. What about the other`?
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 14, 2015, 02:00:52 pm
I think the Muslim countries needs to start a coalition against IS.
What the hell is with your profile picture? :uhm:

And that would never happen, I wonder how many of those countries are actually funding IS.

No, let's just spam hashtags everywhere and put up some lights that are colored like France's flag, that's definately gonna work (especially that this was what, the 4th terrorist attack in France in recent years?)
Spamming hashtags always make's the world a better place right? That or it's just some bigoted way for the people posting them to feel better about themselves because they 'did something'...

Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Adam on November 14, 2015, 02:02:28 pm
I think the Muslim countries needs to start a coalition against IS.
They're trying, but as long as something/someone big keeps supporting them, they're not leaving.

---

http://usuncut.com/news/this-tweet-explains-why-its-horrible-to-blame-refugees-for-the-paris-attacks/

"To people blaming refugees for attacks in Paris tonight. Do you not realise these are the people the refugees are trying to run away from..?"
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Devin on November 14, 2015, 02:05:19 pm
Its a disrespect to not let me to have my opinion either.
Just because they are other religion , does not mean i must be set as wrong or right because i dont share their faith.
I dont mean to just offend random people , i mean to tell people what is wrong. But just because they`re muslim , you all find me "ignorant and disrespectful and racist".

(Kinda offtopic) Its just like the afro americans. They call each other the "N" word all the time , but when a whitey does , hes instantly called a racist.

That comment is just foolish. Honestly, now you're going to say you're offended as your opinion which can be seen as offensive is not allowed.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: RizzE. on November 14, 2015, 02:05:46 pm
What the hell is with your profile picture? :uhm:

It's satire obviously.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 14, 2015, 02:06:41 pm
"To people blaming refugees for attacks in Paris tonight. Do you not realise these are the people the refugees are trying to run away from..?"
They are running away and taking the terrorists with them, police have found a Syrian passport belonging to one of the gunmen.

All this 'refugee' shit is just an easy way in for them.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: SuchAnAngel on November 14, 2015, 02:08:51 pm
Dear Lord, Wrap Your loving arms around the victims and families affected by the PARIS TRAGEDY
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Sawyer on November 14, 2015, 02:10:13 pm
Islam has nothing to do with Islam, right?
I really don't know what you're onabout because, screw the EU, I don't like it and I don't want the UK inside it.
Like we, Greeks, woke up two months ago and thought: Oh what we gonna do to solve our financial problems and prevent people from suiciding? Oh we gonna bring thousands of refugees of course.

You sound cold blooded and I'm more than sure that if it was you being in some kind of war and you needed to move somewhere safer to save your family, you would beg for even a cave. Be a human man, what goes around comes around.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Leonardo Fernandez on November 14, 2015, 02:11:38 pm
Oh god... you even started accusing refugees for terrorism whom are actually escaping from terrorism itself just because you heard news from untrusted source of information.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Crassus on November 14, 2015, 02:12:47 pm
Only 1 country. What about the other`?

You cleary don't know your history if you count the Kurdish people as a country.

Found this for you @Marcell
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12190050_406365536226879_1472075439990590048_n.jpg?oh=4387c8748d990c9cfdc1caa24e777da8&oe=56F450BA)
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: RizzE. on November 14, 2015, 02:17:30 pm

So basically there is only one solution then.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Operation_Upshot-Knothole_-_Badger_001.jpg)
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 14, 2015, 02:17:56 pm
Like we, Greeks, woke up two months ago and thought: Oh what we gonna do to solve our financial problems and prevent people from suiciding? Oh we gonna bring thousands of refugees of course.

You sound cold blooded and I'm more than sure that if it was you being in some kind of war and you needed to move somewhere safer to save your family, you would beg for even a cave. Be a human man, what goes around comes around.
What does any of this have to do with me not liking the EU?

And what exactly has 'gone around' from Europe to make us all deserve a mass-immigration of 'refugees'?

You cleary don't know your history if you count the Kurdish people as a country.

Found this for you @Marcell
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12190050_406365536226879_1472075439990590048_n.jpg?oh=4387c8748d990c9cfdc1caa24e777da8&oe=56F450BA)
The Kurds do deserve to have their own country though, glad the SAS has been working with them to stop IS advance, hopefully they can help protect them from Turkey too.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Marcell on November 14, 2015, 02:21:47 pm
Like we, Greeks, woke up two months ago and thought: Oh what we gonna do to solve our financial problems and prevent people from suiciding? Oh we gonna bring thousands of refugees of course.

You sound cold blooded and I'm more than sure that if it was you being in some kind of war and you needed to move somewhere safer to save your family, you would beg for even a cave. Be a human man, what goes around comes around.
I'm sorry, but the definition of a REFUGEE is a person who gets to the first safe destination, and stays there. Most of the 'refugees' who came to Greece AFAIK paid smugglers to bring them there from Turkey. I'm not trying to insult anyone right now, I'm just stating a fact. There are real refugees, but most of them stayed in their first destinations, if you are for example, safe in Turkey, then decide to move to Germany for welfare, that does not make you a refugee anymore. It makes you an economical migrant. Again, I'm not stating my opinion, I'm just saying a fact. Not insulting the real refugees who fleed/are fleeing from war.
At the same time, if you're accepting refugees with NO MEANS TO CHECK THEIR IDENTITY you CAN'T expect terorrists not to come as well. ISIS has stated about 20 times before the whole migration crisis, that they will just come into Europe's open arms to terrorise it. Israel doesn't accept refugees because MOSSAD said they can't tell who's a terrorist and who isn't - we're talking about the goddamn Mossad here, the organization that has biggest experience out of whole world in this kind of things.

@Crassus
Yes, I'm well aware of that. Modern terrorism wouldn't be even at half of it's peak if not for the USA's actions and this is a fact.
All the weapons they give to what they call 'moderate rebels' also land in ISIS' hands, 'unexplainably', very convienient.
I also find it very interesting that suddenly USA is mobilizing troops, filming raids on ISIS prisons (despite that it's illegal by their regulations because several spec operatives were shown on the video, along with thier tactics) only just after Russia got involved. Like, it's just a big show.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Sawyer on November 14, 2015, 02:22:37 pm
And what exactly has 'gone around' from Europe to make us all deserve a mass-immigration of 'refugees'?
If I was an alien I would think you are talking about sheeps and not human beings.

Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Stivi on November 14, 2015, 02:22:57 pm
All this 'refugee' shit is just an easy way in for them.
Yes, but then again those people needed help to run from these terrorist.

Is it true that the explosions were kamikazes?
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Crassus on November 14, 2015, 02:27:19 pm
No doubt there.
Everybody deserve their own country and the Kurdish people is the only true soldiers among those who fight against ISIS IMO.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 14, 2015, 02:38:43 pm
If I was an alien I would think you are talking about sheeps and not human beings.
Please stop trying to be saviour of all mankind, it'll only go south for you.

Is it true that the explosions were kamikazes?
Yes, all of the gunmen had suicide vests, 7 of them detonated themselves, the 8th was killed by police gunfire.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Ramis on November 14, 2015, 02:45:58 pm
No doubt there.
Everybody deserve their own country and the Kurdish people is the only true soldiers among those who fight against ISIS IMO.

Every nation has its right to exist and to establish a country.
We shall not make one nation 'worse' or 'better' than the rest.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Salmonella on November 14, 2015, 02:50:11 pm
At the same time, if you're accepting refugees with NO MEANS TO CHECK THEIR IDENTITY you CAN'T expect terorrists not to come as well. ISIS has stated about 20 times before the whole migration crisis, that they will just come into Europe's open arms to terrorise it. Israel doesn't accept refugees because MOSSAD said they can't tell who's a terrorist and who isn't - we're talking about the goddamn Mossad here, the organization that has biggest experience out of whole world in this kind of things.

This is ultimately the sad reality Europe and the refugees are facing. It's only a matter of time before the same muslim/jihad-inspired attacks will happen in other European countries accepting refugees among their own people. You cannot deny that the two are intermingled. The new leftist stance appears to be the polar opposite nonetheless, as could've been expected from leftists:

''To people blaming refugees for attacks in Paris tonight. Do you not realise these are the people the refugees are trying to run away from..?''

Nobody is interested in stating the obvious; of course it's a small minority of refugees coming here for terrorist reasons (although other reasons for refugees to come here are sometimes questionable just the same), but that doesn't take away the fact that blindly allowing people in makes it extremely easy for the terrorists. They don't even have to show identification, while they probably would've been able to get in -with- identification and proper border control.

There is no real solution beneficial for both real refugees and natives. To prevent anything like this to happen you just have to follow MOSSAD's example or close the borders entirely.

Personally I'm skeptical of the majority of refugees being truly in need of help. We've got a few around here and I've seen them all standing around their assigned place with the latest iPhones and expensive Nikes. They're living pretty luxuriously here and as far as I know nobody handed them those 500 euro phones.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: AK47 on November 14, 2015, 02:56:52 pm
The swedish goverment have now announced that they will start with strictb bordercontrol when entering the country and the police in Malmö will do random checks on "people with darker skintone"
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: DE_Pants on November 14, 2015, 02:58:28 pm
Right now, I believe the blood is on hands of:
USA/Israel politicians
All liberal politicians and political parties, who decided to accept immigrants with no means of any defensive checks/precautions whatsoever (I'd like to remind everyone, that Israel said they won't accept any refugees because MOSSAD isn't able to determine who's a terrorist and who's not..... we're talking about MOSSAD here, not some mall security guards)
Say what? Israel isn't  taking refugees because they were our enemies before the civil war and 20 percent of the Israeli population are Arabs and were afraid that there will be more Arabs then Jews in Israel which will give Arabs the control of the Jewish nation (Democratically). It's definitely not because security reasons.

(Sorry for writing improperly I'm typing from my phone)
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Marcell on November 14, 2015, 03:00:58 pm
Say what? Israel isn't  taking refugees because they were our enemies before the civil war and 20 percent of the Israeli population are Arabs and were afraid that there will be more Arabs then Jews in Israel which will give Arabs the control of the Jewish nation (Democratically). It's definitely not because security reasons.

(Sorry for writing improperly I'm typing from my phone)
That's a different matter, it's obvious Israel would never accept any refugees no matter what, but that's their official excuse and if MOSSAD can't determine who's a terrorist and who's not then every country on earth should take example.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Vaeldious on November 14, 2015, 03:14:22 pm
From America where these kind of things are overlooked and desensitized by the media....

I'm feel bad that we havent done anything to help. Its easy to blame the administration, but this issue lies with us people........we aren't willing to help unless its directly in our faces. I'm sorry america didnt turn out the way it was supposed to and wish the people would rally behind such a cause. Cant tell you how many times I've tried to rally people for a solid cause, but truth be told, these fuckers only care about their next starbucks drinks and mcdonalds meal, and the people that do care, are few and far between.

My heart, thoughts and prayers go out to Paris and the families caught in this hellstorm. Its not funny, and its not a thing to joke about.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Klaus on November 14, 2015, 04:11:24 pm
At the same time, if you're accepting refugees with NO MEANS TO CHECK THEIR IDENTITY you CAN'T expect terorrists not to come as well. ISIS has stated about 20 times before the whole migration crisis, that they will just come into Europe's open arms to terrorise it.
Agreed. It was quite obvious that among the large amount of Syrian refugees lied criminals and terrorists. Most of them didn't even have passports. How can you do checks on people with no identification? I understand that you want to help others in need, but isn't national security more important?
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Aca on November 14, 2015, 04:14:35 pm
Innocent killed and injured people have my support and prayers, but let's stop for a minute and think about NATO bombing Serbia 1999 (and many other countries they bombed trought history) Where was the support from France? Yeah, their support were the dropped bombs on my homeland. Think about it ;)
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Dennis. on November 14, 2015, 04:20:53 pm
Innocent killed and injured people have my support and prayers, but let's stop for a minute and think about NATO bombing Serbia 1999 (and many other countries they bombed trought history) Where was the support from France? Yeah, their support were the dropped bombs on my homeland. Think about it ;)
NATO bombed Serbia for the only reason in world. "Justice" & "Freedom". Do you forget what you started to do with Kosovo? Where do you think you're? Syria? NOPE. Where was the support from France? That's how you logic things? You're wrong. They are humans overall & we have to show humanity.

UNITED TO FIGHT TERRORISM.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Aca on November 14, 2015, 04:29:51 pm
NATO bombed Serbia for the only reason in world. "Justice" & "Freedom". Do you forget what you started to do with Kosovo? Where do you think you're? Syria? NOPE. Where was the support from France? That's how you logic things? You're wrong. They are humans overall & we have to show humanity.

UNITED TO FIGHT TERRORISM.
What the fuck are you talking about? A freedom? What freedom? Bombing innocent children and people, trains full of random people while calling it a justice, how is that a justice? You talk nonsence, you are mind blinded with the hate against Serbs. Now back off with Kosovo since you don't know shit. Oh, yes, you wouldn't like NATO "justice and freedom" felt on your own body, trust me ;)

P.s where in my post I didn't show support and the humanity?
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: SuchAnAngel on November 14, 2015, 04:31:41 pm
Probably because 44 people died in 2 bombings at Lebanon, while 153 have died at Paris so far in 5 different attacks. Both are horrible but I can see why the media would report Paris more.

While everyones talking about the attack in Paris no one talks about the ISIS attack that happened yesterday in Lebanon why doesn't the media report that...R.I.P to all victims in both places #alllivesmatter #mediaismessedup #rip

Just a note that i did mess up on the picture since it is a pic of an attack from years ago but i just wanted to make a point about the medias situation. Sorry for misleading anyone!

(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12249911_996996230358936_1782598573094651439_n.jpg?oh=c4560811ad844b369d49fc873eb2d3b0&oe=56F4D665)
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Dennis. on November 14, 2015, 04:42:59 pm
What the fuck are you talking about? A freedom? What freedom? Bombing innocent children and people, trains full of random people while calling it a justice, how is that a justice? You talk nonsence, you are mind blinded with the hate again Serbs. Now back off with Kosovo since you don't know shit. Oh, yes, you wouldn't like NATO "justice and freedom" felt on your own body, trust me ;)

P.s where in my post I didn't show support and the humanity?
What Serbia did to Kosovo can't be tolerated. Bombing isn't enough. What do you think of hundred albanian mothers and sisters living in Kosovo. What do you think of thousand men murders? What do you think of costants attacks/masacres on Kosovo just to hold a state which doesn't belongs to you. WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU'RE? NATO did the minimum toward your state... you deserved more for what you did.
Nato's attack came as a result of your lastest actions. Think about it.

My hate toward Serbia blinded my mind? Do you want me to love it after all they did toward albanians in Kosovo? Please...

P.s where in my post I did state you didn't?
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Eps_Smalls on November 14, 2015, 04:46:02 pm
Innocent killed and injured people have my support and prayers, but let's stop for a minute and think about NATO bombing Serbia 1999 (and many other countries they bombed trought history) Where was the support from France? Yeah, their support were the dropped bombs on my homeland. Think about it ;)

You're right. The innocent people in Serbia shouldn't have been bombed and killed, it's the government that should've been the one that was brought down. But this is the world we live in, some people cause problems but the innocent ones face the consequences so you'll just have to deal with it.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Aca on November 14, 2015, 04:47:19 pm
What Serbia did to Kosovo can't be tolerated. Bombing isn't enough. What do you think of hundred albanian mothers and sisters living in Kosovo. What do you think of thousand men murders? What do you think of costants attacks/masacres on Kosovo just to hold a state which doesn't belongs to you. WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU'RE? NATO did the minimum toward your state... you deserved more for what you did.
Nato's attack came as a result of your lastest actions. Think about it.

My hate toward Serbia blinded my mind? Do you want me to love it after all they did toward albanians in Kosovo? Please...

P.s where in my post I did state you didn't?

Hahahhaahhahahahahahahahah wow kid you are epic
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Marcell on November 14, 2015, 04:48:02 pm
What Serbia did to Kosovo can't be tolerated. Bombing isn't enough. What do you think of hundred albanian mothers and sisters living in Kosovo. What do you think of thousand men murders? What do you think of costants attacks/masacres on Kosovo just to hold a state which doesn't belongs to you. WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU'RE? NATO did the minimum toward your state... you deserved more for what you did.
Nato's attack came as a result of your lastest actions. Think about it.

My hate toward Serbia blinded my mind? Do you want me to love it after all they did toward albanians in Kosovo? Please...

P.s where in my post I did state you didn't?
What do you think of hundreds of serbian families slaughtered by muslim forces?
http://serbiasos.blogspot.com/2012/06/warning-very-graphic-content-real.html
Only thing Serbia did was use their balls and get some justice, and they got punished for it only because of american propaganda stirred up by journalists.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Eps_Smalls on November 14, 2015, 04:49:48 pm
What do you think of hundreds of serbian families slaughtered by muslim forces?
http://serbiasos.blogspot.com/2012/06/warning-very-graphic-content-real.html
Only thing Serbia did was use their balls and get some justice, and they got punished for it only because of american propaganda stirred up by journalists.

Massacring innocent men, women and kids is called justice ? Some great mentality you got going on there, no wonder everyone hates you.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Dennis. on November 14, 2015, 04:52:23 pm
Massacring innocent men, women and kids is called justice ? Some great mentality you got going on there, no wonder everyone hates you.
It's waste of time to deal with them. The way how they sidetracks by the topic for their own interest is just "AWESOME"!

#PRAYFORPARIS
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Marcell on November 14, 2015, 04:55:10 pm
Massacring innocent men, women and kids is called justice ? Some great mentality you got going on there, no wonder everyone hates you.
That's cute, read about Srebrenica from non-propaganda source and you will understand.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: AK47 on November 14, 2015, 04:56:33 pm
Instead of "pray for Paris" to a "god" that nothing to prevent this, why no do someting that makes sense in this tragedy? Send money to the brave men and women in IS-occupied areas that daily need to fight tyrannts and oppression
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: SuchAnAngel on November 14, 2015, 05:04:01 pm
This is what happened  :war: :war: :mad: :mad:

(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12227179_958652697532742_6243506099168441110_n.jpg?oh=b93ad8b81b5a6229ee5a0b4b7e9939ed&oe=56B4BF89)
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mark on November 14, 2015, 05:05:36 pm
Is it too difficult to discuss objectively without provoking each other? If you're biased and don't accept the opnion of others at least don't act like a child and stay quiet.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 14, 2015, 05:05:54 pm
Got to be honest all these useless hash tags are making me sick.
What is all this 'pray for Paris' shit? What are you going to pray for? Your prayers didn't work last time, they got attacked again.

Time to stop praying and start doing, time to invade Syria full on, they are only going to keep growing otherwise, they have asked for this.
Time for The West to work with Assad, there was no IS when he had full control of Syria.

(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12227179_958652697532742_6243506099168441110_n.jpg?oh=b93ad8b81b5a6229ee5a0b4b7e9939ed&oe=56B4BF89)
Oh wow, some monuments lit up with pretty colours! This will show them!
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: SuchAnAngel on November 14, 2015, 05:08:50 pm
Got to be honest all these useless hash tags are making me sick.
What is all this 'pray for Paris' shit? What are you going to pray for? Your prayers didn't work last time, they got attacked again.

Time to stop praying and start doing, time to invade Syria full on, they are only going to keep growing otherwise, they have asked for this.
Time for The West to work with Assad, there was no IS when he had full control of Syria.
Oh wow, some monuments lit up with pretty colours! This will show them!
So .. u didnt believe in god ?  :lol: :D
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: AK47 on November 14, 2015, 05:12:49 pm
So .. u didnt believe in god ?  :lol: :D

No, does your signature help the people of France?
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 14, 2015, 05:14:30 pm
So .. u didnt believe in god ?  :lol: :D
Warning, may hurt your sensitive feelings. :(
Not coward enough to believe in/worship something/someone who only brings death and destruction to the planet and human race, cancer in babies? Thanks.

No, does your signature help the people of France?
No, I assume it just makes him feel snug and cozy inside.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Cofiliano on November 14, 2015, 05:24:38 pm
@ Serbs, Albanians, Kosovo, NATO, etc

How about you both fuck off from this topic?


People don't understand one thing. Its not "USA, Isreal, Saudi Arabia" or any other country that made ISIS. World is not controlled by countries anymore, this isn't 19. century, in which countries are top of the food chain.
Yes, the 'groups' that controls everything world wide, they pick presidents, prime ministers, they run 90 percent of world capital, including the Governments of most countries, are based in USA/UK, but the people of those countries are occupied as much as all other people in the world, where "USA" starts some shit. They only difference is that those citizens(USA/UK/EU) have a better life standard, so they wouldn't raise questions much, but when ever its needed, they'll become the victims of those 'groups', the same way people in ex-Yugoslavia, Syria, Iraq, becomes. 911, Paris attack, UK bombing, etc. Of course not in a large scale as in the rest of the world, but you don't need more then few hundred deaths in Paris, to make France completely a controlled country, in which all civil rights, are gonna be gone now. France that was the original place of all those freedoms and rights.

ISIS was founded by those "groups" for their own interests, and they did use government tools such as CIA, MI6, and other methods that they control over their influence. The propaganda on Russia and Putin last 2 years, is the best example of it.

As soon as Russia stopped tolerating the bullshit of those 'groups' and actually stood up to defend their own country primary, but the entire free world, all you can see in western media last 2-3 years is a satanistic witch hunt on Putin, Russia, etc.

But its not just Russia who stood up, China, India, most of African countries, entire Latin America, and most of the islam world is joining that side, to put an end on the bullshit those "groups" are creating all over the world. Hence why BRICS was made, as a counter to IMF, one of the main tools of those "groups".

People in Europe are realizing this as well, take a look at Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Balkan, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc, the people are aware of these facts, and they are becoming more close to the other side.

Germany and France, are countries that wants to join the same side(or in simple english, they're becoming more close to Russia then USA) that's why they are getting warnings from those "groups" such as the bankrupt of Volkswagen, Deutch Bank being next in line to bankroupt as well, when it comes to Germany, or terrorist attacks in France, such as this and Charlie Hebdo, and of course, the emigrant crises.
Because those "groups" cant risk loosing their main countries in Europe, lets face it, if you loose Germany and France, you lose the entire EU.

Hence why the world order is unstable now, and needs a new bipolar order, that would balance it enough, to return security, stability, and development on the entire globe.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Crassus on November 14, 2015, 05:25:53 pm
Time for The West to work with Assad, there was no IS when he had full control of Syria.

Fully agree with you there. But it would still be hard for us to understand as we have never been a citizen under his rule. But he were able to keep things balanced.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Eps_Smalls on November 14, 2015, 05:27:43 pm
Got to be honest all these useless hash tags are making me sick.
What is all this 'pray for Paris' shit? What are you going to pray for? Your prayers didn't work last time, they got attacked again.

Time to stop praying and start doing, time to invade Syria full on, they are only going to keep growing otherwise, they have asked for this.
Time for The West to work with Assad, there was no IS when he had full control of Syria.
Oh wow, some monuments lit up with pretty colours! This will show them!

Invading Syria or even blowing every single person in it won't solve the issue. There will always be an ISIS/Al Qaeda, KKK, BP or other groups whose ideals will be different from the others, this has been proven throughout the history and history always repeats itself unless people truly understand and forgive each other about everything - which...unfortunately is impossible just like its impossible for people like Marcel to not be ignorant and go making everyone mad by posting random provocative posts and throwing shit on other people's ideals.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: SuchAnAngel on November 14, 2015, 05:41:55 pm
Warning, may hurt your sensitive feelings. :(
Not coward enough to believe in/worship something/someone who only brings death and destruction to the planet and human race, cancer in babies? Thanks.
No, I assume it just makes him feel snug and cozy inside.

Yes .. But its a sign of Respect .. :")
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Devin on November 14, 2015, 05:55:27 pm
Plot lost; topic locked.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Gandalf on November 24, 2015, 08:17:36 pm
I was surprised not to see a topic about the attack, and noticed how it got locked due to other conflicts getting in the way.
Please keep your local conflicts out of the way.

As for the atacks on Paris and following situation in Belgium, be sure that anyone who supports those commiting such acts should think very carefully what they are supporting.
If people trying to misleadyou by talking about world conspiracies, ignore them. Do not get lured in to thinking that any specific group of people is bad or that random people deserve to die because they think different than you do.

Friends can disagree on everything, enemies can agree on nothing.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Boudy on November 27, 2015, 04:03:02 pm
Actually...many countries have Militias fighting for it...France Supporting Christian Militias in Africa...( and i say they are bad christians )....Usa supporting Muslim Brotherhood,Militias in Syria and Libya,.......Saudi Arabia and United states of emirates are supporting militias in syria,............ Israel supporting some militias in syria,north sinai,Iraq....Iran supporting militias in lebanon,Syria and Iraq....Turkey supporting ISIS, militas in Syria and Libya. 


That is politics: many innocent people die cuz of oil,Gaz,Petrol,money,diamonds,Uranium and water :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :war: :war: :war:
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 27, 2015, 06:14:04 pm
France Supporting Christian Militias in Africa...( and i say they are bad christians )
Do tell us more.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Boudy on November 27, 2015, 06:45:34 pm
Do tell us more.
France support those militias to kill muslims in Middle of africa..... When muslims got killed ...media don't talk about it
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 27, 2015, 08:24:51 pm
France support those militias to kill muslims in Middle of africa..... When muslims got killed ...media don't talk about it
Maybe because those Muslims are Al Shabaab and such? Their deaths are nothing worthy of caring about, Africa used to be predominantly Christian, but over the years hundreds of thousands of Christians have been slaughtered because of their beliefs and not being willing to convert.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Boudy on November 28, 2015, 03:08:53 am
Maybe because those Muslims are Al Shabaab and such? Their deaths are nothing worthy of caring about, Africa used to be predominantly Christian, but over the years hundreds of thousands of Christians have been slaughtered because of their beliefs and not being willing to convert.
I am talking about Innocent Muslims, Not Terrorists
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Salmonella on November 28, 2015, 02:43:45 pm
That's quite a heavy statement without any source whatsoever, Boudy. Why do you believe this is happening?
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Boudy on November 28, 2015, 05:35:35 pm
That's quite a heavy statement without any source whatsoever, Boudy. Why do you believe this is happening?
The media make western government are so peaceful but they are not
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 28, 2015, 06:04:34 pm
The media make western government are so peaceful but they are not
What does that have to do with your story about Muslims being killed by 'bad Christians'? :lol:
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Boudy on November 28, 2015, 08:11:02 pm
In the middle of Africa...Christian millitais want to take over of the country...and Muslims and that country are richer than other... And in that country ...France take over the uranium and diamonds there with low prices
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 28, 2015, 08:12:41 pm
In the middle of Africa...Christian millitais want to take over of the country...and Muslims and that country are richer than other... And in that country ...France take over the uranium and diamonds there with low prices
Mhm, source please?
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Boudy on November 28, 2015, 09:41:55 pm
Mhm, source please?
The source in al Jazeera..they had videos and photos... And one of the Muslims resisting that militias
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 28, 2015, 09:57:34 pm
The source in al Jazeera..they had videos and photos... And one of the Muslims resisting that militias
So your source for such things is your word about an Islamic television network talking about evil Christians killing Muslims, sounds very reputable. :rolleyes:

I just won't even bother.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Dizzy. on November 28, 2015, 10:08:46 pm
So your source for such things is your word about an Islamic television network talking about evil Christians killing Muslims, sounds very reputable. :rolleyes:

he didn't say they're talking , he said they have videos and photos that means they have enough evidences.
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Boudy on November 29, 2015, 06:54:27 am
Those militias don't represent Christianity
Title: Re: Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan
Post by: Mikal on November 29, 2015, 12:40:01 pm
Here is what can actually be considered a source:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-34932791

He explains how Christians are being driven out by Muslim militia, and shows a camp where their make-shift huts were burned down.

Those militias don't represent Christianity
Maybe those Christian military are just defending themselves from aggressive mercy-less killers, Christianity is dying in Africa, and so are all it's worshippers.
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