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Paris attacks: Dozens dead and hostages held at Bataclan

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Reply #60 on: November 14, 2015, 01:29:56 pm
The problem is that the only thing non-extremists do is just whine 'OH BUT STOP INSULTING MA RELIGION THOSE PEOPLE ARENT MUSLIM THEY ARE TERRORISTS!!!'. If the non-extremists would start actually doing something, give a proper message, I don't know, maybe organize some anti jihad marches - then that'd be totally fine. But just sitting back and whining is not gonna help your image. This is a totally justified reaction from people, now it's muslims turn to make us believe that they're normal - not ours. Do manifestations, speeches (against the extremists) organize prayers for the victims, so people don't mistake 'real' muslims for the extremists. Did they ever do that? No.
True muslims are already trying to fight back those terrorist groups in case you don't know, yet they are not as powerful as those ISIS groups that gets financial and weaponary support, thus there are no positive results, hence why Muslims die everyday from them. And since by power we're not able to stop them, and since more than half of this world thinks those terrorists organisations are real muslims, how would they get supported? do you really think true muslims would be able to fight such a big terrorist group alone? atleast give support, help us a bit. Be a part of helping instead of throwing offending words "go fight them" like it's an easy task everyone can do. why not you be supportive and help atleast by praying.
And believe me, there are already thousands of speeches, thousands Muslims praying for this to end, yet the media clearly value people's life in the west more, as @Crassus said. Hence why you are not noticing it. I'm not actually blaming you because you don't know, since nothing appeared on media, but don't answer on questions you are not sure whether they are true or not.

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Reply #61 on: November 14, 2015, 01:31:51 pm
True muslims are already trying to fight back those terrorist groups in case you don't know, yet they are not as powerful as those ISIS groups that gets financial and weaponary support, thus there are no positive results, hence why Muslims die everyday from them. And since by power we're not able to stop them, and since more than half of this world thinks those terrorists organisations are real muslims, how would they get supported? do you really think true muslims would be able to fight such a big terrorist group alone? atleast give support, help us a bit. Be a part of helping instead of throwing offending words "go fight them" like it's an easy task everyone can do. why not you be supportive and help atleast by praying.
And believe me, there are already thousands of speeches, thousands Muslims praying for this to end, yet the media clearly value people's life in the west more, as @Crassus said. Hence why you are not noticing it.

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Reply #62 on: November 14, 2015, 01:33:42 pm
Just remember. In the end you cannot be responsible for other peoples action. YOU and YOU alone will be judged infront of God.

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Reply #63 on: November 14, 2015, 01:38:48 pm
Is every french Argonathian safe? :(

we hope Cyril in safe.

True muslims are already trying to fight back those terrorist groups in case you don't know, yet they are not as powerful as those ISIS groups that gets financial and weaponary support, thus there are no positive results, hence why Muslims die everyday from them. And since by power we're not able to stop them, and since more than half of this world thinks those terrorists organisations are real muslims, how would they get supported? do you really think true muslims would be able to fight such a big terrorist group alone? atleast give support, help us a bit. Be a part of helping instead of throwing offending words "go fight them" like it's an easy task everyone can do. why not you be supportive and help atleast by praying.
And believe me, there are already thousands of speeches, thousands Muslims praying for this to end, yet the media clearly value people's life in the west more, as @Crassus said. Hence why you are not noticing it. I'm not actually blaming you because you don't know, since nothing appeared on media, but don't answer on questions you are not sure whether they are true or not.

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Reply #64 on: November 14, 2015, 01:41:03 pm
The problem is that the only thing non-extremists do is just whine 'OH BUT STOP INSULTING MA RELIGION THOSE PEOPLE ARENT MUSLIM THEY ARE TERRORISTS!!!'. If the non-extremists would start actually doing something, give a proper message, I don't know, maybe organize some anti jihad marches - then that'd be totally fine. But just sitting back and whining is not gonna help your image. This is a totally justified reaction from people, now it's muslims turn to make us believe that they're normal - not ours. Do manifestations, speeches (against the extremists) organize prayers for the victims, so people don't mistake 'real' muslims for the extremists. Did they ever do that? No.

They have actually did something, you just don't see it.
and when terrorists are not just a group, but a whole country, a government, then it won't be that easy to just simply eliminate them.
I won't specify those countries, as I might also offend the people of it, which are also innocent. But its clear.



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Reply #65 on: November 14, 2015, 01:45:14 pm
True muslims are already trying to fight back those terrorist groups in case you don't know, yet they are not as powerful as those ISIS groups that gets financial and weaponary support, thus there are no positive results, hence why Muslims die everyday from them. And since by power we're not able to stop them, and since more than half of this world thinks those terrorists organisations are real muslims, how would they get supported? do you really think true muslims would be able to fight such a big terrorist group alone? atleast give support, help us a bit. Be a part of helping instead of throwing offending words "go fight them" like it's an easy task everyone can do. why not you be supportive and help atleast by praying.
And believe me, there are already thousands of speeches, thousands Muslims praying for this to end, yet the media clearly value people's life in the west more, as @Crassus said. Hence why you are not noticing it. I'm not actually blaming you because you don't know, since nothing appeared on media, but don't answer on questions you are not sure whether they are true or not.
All I was really saying that people throwing people into one bag is a normal human reaction, and you can't expect to change it unless you work for it yourself. This is basic human behavior basically. What you wrote is great to hear, and I'm also well aware that the main problem is USA, who not only practically caused terrorism to appear but also should be held responsible for modern immigration crisis - because it's THEM who have been destabilizing Middle Eastern countries for 30 years (I think?) and no one else (sure other countries helped them, OK, but NATO is practically just a way of USA to fool other countries into alliances for their warmongering) should be held responsible.
Right now, I believe the blood is on hands of:
USA/Israel politicians
All liberal politicians and political parties, who decided to accept immigrants with no means of any defensive checks/precautions whatsoever (I'd like to remind everyone, that Israel said they won't accept any refugees because MOSSAD isn't able to determine who's a terrorist and who's not..... we're talking about MOSSAD here, not some mall security guards)
EDIT: also I make a small apology, I just heard that the muslim council in France negated the attack and ordered muslims to pray for the victims, it came up late in polish news, more of such actions is needed and less of 'omg u racist'.



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Reply #66 on: November 14, 2015, 01:52:29 pm
The problem is that the only thing non-extremists do is just whine 'OH BUT STOP INSULTING MA RELIGION THOSE PEOPLE ARENT MUSLIM THEY ARE TERRORISTS!!!'.
Islam has nothing to do with Islam, right?

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lol, I won't even argue with you because there is no point, you've been brainwashed by european union / liberal media. Know why I won't bother? because trust me, if you were those people, you would BEG whoever you believe in to have a gun on you, instead of a stupid f**cking smartphone so that you can tweet that you're dying. If you want to be a defenseless victim, that is your choice. This is exactly what terrorists want you to be, a defenseless f**cking sheep who can only cry or post a tweet that you're dying and need help, would you also be so anti-gun, if someone broke into your house and was about to kill you? yes you still would be, you would be proud to think that dialing a phone on your number will magically save you. The only reason why mass sprees in USA happen is because the goverment lets them to happen, frankly after ANY school shooting the country should deploy armed guard(s) to every school. Your logic is so flawed, now you will say something like 'NO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS ALL GUNS TO BE TAKEN AWAY' but you CAN'T take away ILLEGAL GUNS because the people who have them DON'T CARE that they're ILLEGAL. Is that so hard to comprehend? There were THOUSANDS of people thinking EXACTLY like you in USA, until they nearly lost their lifes and totally changed their opinions on gun ownership.
I really don't know what you're onabout because, screw the EU, I don't like it and I don't want the UK inside it.
I could just say you're brainwashed by America media which has lead you to believe guns are nothing but good, but yeah those school shootings really benefit you don't they?
If one of the Muslims had a gun pointed at me, I'd like to think I'd do what ever possible to stop him, at the end of the day what have you got to lose? There is no negotiating with them, they will kill you, how many people in France 'got down' when told to do so? What if a few of them had said FUCK THIS and charged? They had nothing to lose, they were going to die regardless, all you can do in those situations is fight or die, 3 men with a gun vs 100? They stand no chance, I know I don't know what the exact situation was and how it went down and so I can't really judge them, but all it takes is 1 person to get hold of the terrorists gun.
You don't have to be a defenceless victim.

Guns will never work in Europe, so there's no point talking about it.

On a side note: There's also something going down right now in Bagnolet in France, the BBC said something about an explosion and gun shots.
Edit on this: French police have said the 'explosions' were caused by fire crackers at a wedding - WHO THE F**K uses fire crackers at a wedding not even 24 hours after all this crap?

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Reply #67 on: November 14, 2015, 01:53:28 pm
Instead of "pray for Paris" to a "god" that nothing to prevent this, why no do someting that makes sense in this tragedy? Send money to the brave men and women in IS-occupied areas that daily need to fight tyrannts and oppression

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Reply #68 on: November 14, 2015, 01:54:41 pm
I think the Muslim countries needs to start a coalition against IS.

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Reply #69 on: November 14, 2015, 01:55:08 pm
Instead of "pray for Paris" to a "god" that nothing to prevent this, why no do someting that makes sense in this tragedy? Send money to the brave men and women in IS-occupied areas that daily need to fight tyrannts and oppression
No, let's just spam hashtags everywhere and put up some lights that are colored like France's flag, that's definately gonna work (especially that this was what, the 4th terrorist attack in France in recent years?)
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Yes, I agree that those people could have just charged them. They all thought 'oh man I'm not gonna do that I'd die' and where it got them? Nearly all of them died as I'm aware. Look at the would-be attacker in the French train (don't remember when it was TBH) the US marine who was UNARMED charged the assaulter along with some people and basically saved 40+ people. But the reason why is this happening is because modern morals and values teach us that a human life is the biggest value, and that we shouldn't sacrifice ourselves but save ourselves instead. And this is why muslim-oriented terrorism is such a threat now, bigger than other kind of terrorism - it's because the extremists are not afraid to die, in fact they wish to die. They're not afraid of sacrificing their lives for what they believe in.



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Reply #70 on: November 14, 2015, 01:57:09 pm
All I was really saying that people throwing people into one bag is a normal human reaction, and you can't expect to change it unless you work for it yourself. This is basic human behavior basically. What you wrote is great to hear, and I'm also well aware that the main problem is USA, who not only practically caused terrorism to appear but also should be held responsible for modern immigration crisis - because it's THEM who have been destabilizing Middle Eastern countries for 30 years (I think?) and no one else (sure other countries helped them, OK, but NATO is practically just a way of USA to fool other countries into alliances for their warmongering) should be held responsible.
Right now, I believe the blood is on hands of:
USA/Israel politicians
All liberal politicians and political parties, who decided to accept immigrants with no means of any defensive checks/precautions whatsoever (I'd like to remind everyone, that Israel said they won't accept any refugees because MOSSAD isn't able to determine who's a terrorist and who's not..... we're talking about MOSSAD here, not some mall security guards)
EDIT: also I make a small apology, I just heard that the muslim council in France negated the attack and ordered muslims to pray for the victims, it came up late in polish news, more of such actions is needed and less of 'omg u racist'.
Agreed with this point, and thank you for understanding.
It isn't about "moaning" as much as requesting help from all the humans around the world.. since that's the only thing we can do besides fighting back that doesn't help but bring negative results.

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Reply #71 on: November 14, 2015, 01:57:36 pm
I think the Muslim countries needs to start a coalition against IS.

What year are you in?
There are daily fights between Muslims fighting ISIS

The Kurdish people has been in war with them for what, 1 year now?
They have shitty equipment but still fight against these type of scum.

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Reply #72 on: November 14, 2015, 02:00:08 pm
What year are you in?
There are daily fights between Muslims fighting ISIS

The Kurdish people has been in war with them for what, 1 year now?
They have shitty equipment but still fight against these type of scum.

Only 1 country. What about the other`?

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Reply #73 on: November 14, 2015, 02:00:52 pm
I think the Muslim countries needs to start a coalition against IS.
What the hell is with your profile picture? :uhm:

And that would never happen, I wonder how many of those countries are actually funding IS.

No, let's just spam hashtags everywhere and put up some lights that are colored like France's flag, that's definately gonna work (especially that this was what, the 4th terrorist attack in France in recent years?)
Spamming hashtags always make's the world a better place right? That or it's just some bigoted way for the people posting them to feel better about themselves because they 'did something'...


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Reply #74 on: November 14, 2015, 02:02:28 pm
I think the Muslim countries needs to start a coalition against IS.
They're trying, but as long as something/someone big keeps supporting them, they're not leaving.

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