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Title: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Huntsman on November 16, 2015, 04:54:31 pm
This afternoon we have honored those that have fallen in the hands of the terrorists in the Friday attacks on the people on Paris. We used to feel safe, as Lithuania, thank you God, has never been shaken by a terrorist attack. We live in a relatively peaceful country - we do not get natural disasters of any kind, noir do we feel threatened by those extremist muslim organisations.

Yet, after what happened in Paris, paranoia in Lithuania has increased. We are just as vulnerable because of the suicidal EU policies regarding refugees. I can't believe that after what happened in Paris our prime minister still wants to let refugees in. But wait, it even gets better - no refugee so far has expressed any interest in coming to Lithuania, yet the complete moron decides that "Lithuania needs to create conditions which would attract refugees". The fuck? Seriously, if they don't want to come, then they don't come, we should be glad that we do not need to feed additional heads that will most likely live on social benefits and start causing trouble just like they do in the UK and France.

In response to the crime against humanity that was committed in Paris, Vilnius, the capital city of Lithuania, has toughened local security. The Vilnius's Police has been issued Kalashnikovs as part of their standart duty issue.

Police officers in Vilnius:
(http://www.policija.lt/get.php?i.25766:h.692:w.1000)

The paranoia is justified - just recently there has been a series of events in Lithuania that have caused mass concern:
Lithuanian PM Rasa Juknevičienė along with tens of other inhabitants of Vilnius have received threatening e-mails that claim to be from ISIS, threatening of an attack in Vilnius. The Lithuanian Internal Security Bureau (Lithuanian version of FBI) is investigating the incident, but does not reject the idea that it is simply a very out of place joke.
However, the very same Bureau has confirmed that they are currently on active surveillance of 50 suspects with a reasonable suspicion of possible intent of terrorism.

Internal Security Bureau:
(http://gs.delfi.lt/images/pix/viesojo-saugumo-tarnybos-taktines-pratybos-66172302.jpg)

It doesn't stop there. The inhabitants of one block of flats in Jonava city have been evacuated, when its inhabitants have spotted two men of arabic descent leaving a suspicious briefacse just by the entrance. Lithuanian police, along with its special forces ARAS have initiated operation "SHIELD" immediately. Police robots were used to confirm suspicions, but they were false - the briefcase had contained no explosive devices. The police is investigating the incident.

Jonava bomb incident:
(http://s1.15cdn.lt/static/cache/ODgweDU4MCwsNjI1ODAxLG9yaWdpbmFsLCwyNjE0NDM4NzY0/neaiskus-paketas-jonavoje-564995aed3ceb.jpg)
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Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Kenawa on November 16, 2015, 04:59:46 pm
This is happening all over the world unfortunately.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Huntsman on November 16, 2015, 05:05:17 pm
This is happening all over the world unfortunately.

Yet it is so unusual and strange for us. All those terrorist attacks in the world were distant to us. We never thought that we could be in any danger, as Lithuania in particular never really was of any interest of the muslim extremist groups. But this was somewhat different.

This is a declaration of war, not against Christians, not against Parisians, but against the European race. Everyone in Europe must put their differences aside, including EU and Russia, and put all effort into defeating those brainless apes.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Cofiliano on November 16, 2015, 05:06:23 pm
Oh common, its Lithuania we're talking about.

Don't get me wrong, I would have said the same about Serbia as potential target, but this is Balkan so you never know, yet you guys are safe and sound up there.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Whiteman on November 16, 2015, 05:07:34 pm
Same shit in Estonia.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Alarba on November 16, 2015, 05:45:25 pm
No paranoia here, as of yet.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Huntsman on November 16, 2015, 05:47:46 pm
Oh common, its Lithuania we're talking about.

Don't get me wrong, I would have said the same about Serbia as potential target, but this is Balkan so you never know, yet you guys are safe and sound up there.

Lithuania is quick to respond to threats. Let it be agression of our neighbours, or the ever rising terrorism. That's one thing I like about my country. It seems we have learned from 1940's.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Khm on November 16, 2015, 06:49:39 pm
Same shit here but the only difference they're making air strikes specially after the horrible murder that ISIS made to a farmer..
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Mikal on November 16, 2015, 06:52:55 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbmmeW35sIY&feature=youtu.be

We'll never know the paranoia that people in Paris are feeling right now, but I guess that doesn't matter, because Lithuania.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Marcell on November 16, 2015, 07:02:57 pm
vid

We'll never know the paranoia that people in Paris are feeling right now, but I guess that doesn't matter, because Lithuania.
Apparently this was just a firecracker, quite grotesque to see their reaction - why go out at all if you feel like that? Man, the people who did it certainly fullfilled their goals.

Great to see Lithuania reacting, here we were told by our prime minister (who has to resign soon over lost election) that everything is fine and there's no need for any precautions. Corrupted dumb old b*tch, modern politicians are totally devoid of reality - they should be forced to live in the refugee camps themselves so they change their minds.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Huntsman on November 16, 2015, 08:10:54 pm
Apparently this was just a firecracker, quite grotesque to see their reaction - why go out at all if you feel like that? Man, the people who did it certainly fullfilled their goals.

Great to see Lithuania reacting, here we were told by our prime minister (who has to resign soon over lost election) that everything is fine and there's no need for any precautions. Corrupted dumb old b*tch, modern politicians are totally devoid of reality - they should be forced to live in the refugee camps themselves so they change their minds.

I am extremely delighted to hear that our historical brothers, the Polish, have elected themselves a sane party that opposes any refugee quota's. The entire Lithuania demands that Seimas takes the path of Poland and Czech Republic and says "FU with your quotas" to EU, but they keep trying to stick their heads up Brussels ass, ignoring the opinion of the nation and exposing us to greater risk of terrorism.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: .Matthew. on November 16, 2015, 09:54:51 pm
Our government:

Before the Paris attack:
"They travel with business class planes, not through sea and risky journey!"

After the Paris attack:
The attacker was processed at Greece, Serbia and Croatia. His fingerprints were even taken in Croatia.

So much from our government. They don't consider anything, just licking ass of Merkel. Fence same way Hungary and Slovenia put it with Serbia and Bosnia.
And so should it start a chain reaction all way to Greece.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: brian1996 on November 17, 2015, 12:03:32 am
Apparently this was just a firecracker, quite grotesque to see their reaction - why go out at all if you feel like that? Man, the people who did it certainly fullfilled their goals.

Great to see Lithuania reacting, here we were told by our prime minister (who has to resign soon over lost election) that everything is fine and there's no need for any precautions. Corrupted dumb old b*tch, modern politicians are totally devoid of reality - they should be forced to live in the refugee camps themselves so they change their minds.
Our prime minister (who is an incredible idiot) has finally decided to "declare war against ISIS".
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Boudy on November 17, 2015, 12:30:58 am
Yet it is so unusual and strange for us. All those terrorist attacks in the world were distant to us. We never thought that we could be in any danger, as Lithuania in particular never really was of any interest of the muslim extremist groups. But this was somewhat different.

This is a declaration of war, not against Christians, not against Parisians, but against the European race. Everyone in Europe must put their differences aside, including EU and Russia, and put all effort into defeating those brainless apes.

But most of ISIS attacks in North Sinai,Libya,Lebanon,Syria,Iraq....in generally in the arabic...countries....more than 90% of the victims are muslims...All of us we have to fight ISIS and all Terrorists Militias.......


And a note i am a muslim ...and proud that i am muslim...The Egyptian army is fighting the terrorists groups in north Sinai, and made a big air strike in Libya, The Egyptian army and police are fighting terrorists for a few years.. Egypt almost lost 2,000 soldiers in these years...but now we feel safe here.....but they killed and arrested more than 7,000 terrorists .... So let's help each other to destroy ISIS and whom support them


and another note ....ISIS IS AGAINST THE WHOLE HUMANITY NOT ONLY EUROPEAN RACE BECAUSE THEY KILLED MORE MORE MUSLIMS AND ARABS NOT EUROPEANS

when you said it is against Europeans race it pissed me off......Cuz when arab die.. media say nothing...but when european die....Media say bla bla....for me all the victims are the same.....i got pissed off when innocent people die...but you differentiate Arabs Victims from Europeans Victims...it is a called racism   
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: brian1996 on November 17, 2015, 12:51:54 am
and another note ....ISIS IS AGAINST THE WHOLE HUMANITY NOT ONLY EUROPEAN RACE BECAUSE THEY KILLED MORE MORE MUSLIMS AND ARABS not europeans
They are not against humanity (well partly) but against anyone who opposes their "regime", particularly the west. It doesn't matter if you're a muslim or not, if you do not believe their way of the islam you are marked as an infidel and bound to be dead.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Mikal on November 17, 2015, 01:05:21 am
To be honest I don't understand why Lithuania would be so paranoid, they are tucked up right out of the way on the European continent, they have only taken in 1,007 refugees, they don't have a very large Islamic population nor a very large population themselves and to top it off, they have taken no military action against ISIS and I doubt they ever will due to lacking the technology required.

Lithuania is one of the last countries in Europe which should be panicking about an attack.

their way of the islam
I don't think anyone can define the 'right' way of Islam nor any religion, pretty much every religion preaches to kill non-believers whilst at the same time preaching about how to treat everyone as you wish to be treated yourself, it's pointless going into it but I think it's pretty obvious ISIS would insist their way is the right way, and who can argue against that when all religious books are just giant cluster fucks of contradiction and confliction.

I don't agree with 'their way' of Islam though, NATO needs to come together (with Russia) to completely obliterate their 'regime', time for some carpet bombing. :janek:
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: ahmedXD on November 17, 2015, 01:14:33 am
What does our priest has to say?
@Ramis
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Cofiliano on November 17, 2015, 01:32:26 am
I don't think anyone can define the 'right' way of Islam nor any religion, pretty much every religion preaches to kill non-believers
That simply isn't true. For most religions including Islam. The fact some morons are    interpreting their religion that way is another problem. But most popular religions by its origin and original point, is far away from that, on a contrary.
Just like Christians were "interpreting" inquisitions as something define by God and Christianity, these guys are doing the same with Islam today.

ISIS doesn't have anything to do with ideology anyway. Not even hard core Islamic one. Its a organization build for a purpose to cause mess in that region, and being used when convenient for the attacks such as Paris, Russian plane, and many larger ones in the  region itself  They are a organization wiith a developed economy based on the oil filed they conquered in Iraq and Syria, and an army mostly made of mercenaries, not volunteers, like people usually think.
Everything else is just a charade to give some false meaning to the whole deal.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: RizzE. on November 17, 2015, 01:35:01 am
This whole thing  was a tragedy obviously but all this #prayforparis, facebook french profile pictures everywhere? 
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: brian1996 on November 17, 2015, 01:51:27 am
This whole thing  was a tragedy obviously but all this #prayforparis, facebook french profile pictures everywhere?
Ye it's getting beyond pathetic, it's almost always the same case with every tragedy. Tragedy happens > show interest for 2 weeks > "What attack on France?"
I seriously can't stand such people, unless you've been there, unless you're involved in some way or another, then you're supposed to actually do it. Nothing wrong with condolences and such tho'.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: RizzE. on November 17, 2015, 01:55:04 am
Ye it's getting beyond pathetic, it's almost always the same case with every tragedy. Tragedy happens > show interest for 2 weeks > "What attack on France?"
I seriously can't stand such people, unless you've been there, unless you're involved in some way or another, then you're supposed to actually do it. Nothing wrong with condolences and such tho'.

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Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Dizzy. on November 17, 2015, 02:18:47 am
pretty much every religion preaches to kill non-believers

with all my respect Before you say anything about any religion go and read the religion book or something to have some knowledge,  instead of just saying something you heard it from someone or read it in internet.

those who call themselves Muslims(ISIS) and kill citizens and innocent people, i won't call them that. cause in Islam book(Quran) is forbids to killing of innocent people.


watch it to know what i'm talking about  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLI4cIUcNeg
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Que on November 17, 2015, 02:23:49 am
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It's obviously not helping anyone to change your profile picture to the French flag, but it's a way of saying I'm not supporting any of this shit, I'm with the French as we are united Europeans and if they somehow need the Swedes support, we are there to help out.

Do you think that you stating your quite negative and left analytic status of your attitude to profile pictures is going to change jack shit or is it only the way of showing support over internet that is bothering you? If you're on Facebook trying to find solutions to this whole mess, you're honestly on the wrong page. It's social media. Do you expect brain experts and rocket engineers? Lol.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Boudy on November 17, 2015, 02:26:49 am
They are not against humanity (well partly) but against anyone who opposes their "regime", particularly the west. It doesn't matter if you're a muslim or not, if you do not believe their way of the islam you are marked as an infidel and bound to be dead.

In islam killing infidel armies not innocent people....believe that or not ....it's your point of view.....and Islam is just one religion but the terrorists they got wrong and strange interpretations of Quran and Sunah of my messenger...like Crusaders in the middle ages....And i think you didn't read my post...no problem...but ISIS is an enemy for more than 99% of Muslims population ...what are you saying man?!...really non sense


When you say that you insult my religion but you know what my religion tell me i can't do anything to you even what you said now....keep saying that ... and i can't insult or do anything to you...
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Boudy on November 17, 2015, 02:33:45 am
That simply isn't true. For most religions including Islam. The fact some morons are    interpreting their religion that way is another problem. But most popular religions by its origin and original point, is far away from that, on a contrary.
Just like Christians were "interpreting" inquisitions as something define by God and Christianity, these guys are doing the same with Islam today.

ISIS doesn't have anything to do with ideology anyway. Not even hard core Islamic one. Its a organization build for a purpose to cause mess in that region, and being used when convenient for the attacks such as Paris, Russian plane, and many larger ones in the  region itself  They are a organization wiith a developed economy based on the oil filed they conquered in Iraq and Syria, and an army mostly made of mercenaries, not volunteers, like people usually think.
Everything else is just a charade to give some false meaning to the whole deal.
Cofi you were right in everything but the plane accident ...the truth of the accident will be in a week... don't say things to panic people from Egypt man.... i live in Egypt
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Boudy on November 17, 2015, 02:45:34 am
Actually i am really sad..why you judge Islam cuz of ISIS or any terrorist groups like them....but i didn't judge christianity because  of crusaders what have done to us arabs in middle ages...and... .i didn't judge jews what they have done in palestine...Guys please read about Islam not media...
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Que on November 17, 2015, 02:46:22 am
with all my respect Before you say anything about any religion go and read the religion book or something to have some knowledge,  instead of just saying something you heard it from someone or read it in internet.

those who call themselves Muslims(ISIS) and kill citizens and innocent people, i won't call them that. cause in Islam book(Quran) is forbids to killing of innocent people.
My knowledge will be facts. In 2014, 104 terrorist attacks were related to Islam or had Islamic "background", as in a religious group, person or someone taking responsibility. 121 terrorist attacks were not perpetrated by any group (unknown), yet 162 attacks in total did occur in the Arab world and 54 in Africa. 10 attacks in Asia and only 19 occurred in the rest of the world, India included.

This is pure stats and you can find the source of each attack if you would like to look a bit on statistical sites, but my point is - Islam as a religion and the believers need to condemn all kinds of extreme Islam, because it's a growing "side" division of Islam. This including the oppression towards women, especially in the Arabian peninsula, where women cannot even drive vehicles or people (as couple) holding each others hands without getting fined or arrested. You can't take away the fact that most of the Muslim population is far beyond in the development when it comes to adapting to a more democratic and more humane world. And that's my biggest concern when it comes to Islam.

Don't take me wrong, I got lots of friends who are Muslims and most of them are disgusted by the acts of Daesh, while there's still a few which have the attitude of this being right. Gothenburg, where I live, is the biggest importer of European soldiers to Daesh per capita and also a big stronghold of returning soldiers. My concern is not if they are going to do an attack here, because I find it hard to believe because you get everything for free here and we are not involved in the war whatsoever, but for the extreme Islam they are bringing back and spreading out to others without other Muslims in general giving them the hard hand, showing that it isn't okay to behave in such ways and do such idiotic and anti-democratic acts. Giving the hard hand, I literally mean being completely open with this not being "OK".

Thanks for the video, though. Enjoyed watching it.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Boudy on November 17, 2015, 02:50:46 am
My knowledge will be facts. In 2014, 104 terrorist attacks were related to Islam or had Islamic "background", as in a religious group, person or someone taking responsibility. 121 terrorist attacks were not perpetrated by any group (unknown), yet 162 attacks in total did occur in the Arab world and 54 in Africa. Only 19 occurred in the rest of the world, India included.

This is pure stats and you can find the source of each attack if you would like to look a bit on statistical sites, but my point is - Islam as a religion and the believers need to condemn all kinds of extreme Islam, because it's a growing "side" division of Islam. This including the oppression towards women, especially in the Arabian peninsula, where women cannot even drive vehicles or people (as couple) holding each others hands without getting fined or arrested. You can't take away the fact that most of the Muslim population is far beyond in the development when it comes to adapting to a more democratic and more humane world. And that's my biggest concern when it comes to Islam.

Don't take me wrong, I got lots of friends who are Muslims and most of them are disgusted by the acts of Daesh, while there's still a few which have the attitude of this being right. Gothenburg, where I live, is the biggest importer of European soldiers to Daesh per capita and also a big stronghold of returning soldiers. My concern is not if they are going to do an attack here, because I find it hard to believe because you get everything for free here and we are not involved in the war whatsoever, but for the extreme Islam they are bringing back and spreading out to others without other Muslims in general giving them the hard hand, showing that it isn't okay to behave in such ways and do such idiotic and anti-democratic acts. Giving the hard hand, I literally mean being completely open with this not being "OK".

Thanks for the video, though. Enjoyed watching it.


Okay, You are right... but Muslims are not perfect but Islam is perfect.......
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Mikal on November 17, 2015, 03:11:12 am
Actually i am really sad..why you judge Islam cuz of ISIS or any terrorist groups like them....but i didn't judge christianity because  of crusaders what have done to us arabs in middle ages...and... .i didn't judge jews what they have done in palestine...Guys please read about Islam not media...
Are you serious? You're comparing what Muslims do today to what Christians did 1,000 years ago when pretty much everyone was cutting each other up for any reason they could find?

I'm an atheist so I don't care either way but come on, think before you speak...


Okay, You are right... but Muslims are not perfect but Islam is perfect.......
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Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Boudy on November 17, 2015, 03:16:07 am
Are you serious? You're comparing what Muslims do today to what Christians did 1,000 years ago when pretty much everyone was cutting each other up for any reason they could find?

I'm an atheist so I don't care either way but come on, think before you speak...
(http://travelingnatural.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/confused-face-meme-611.jpg)
okay in that time Muslims built a big civilisation and they were civilised like the west now.... And Europeans were killing each other in that time....you are athiest....did I insult or disrespect you...so respect my religion a little please
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: RizzE. on November 17, 2015, 03:20:09 am
It's obviously not helping anyone to change your profile picture to the French flag, but it's a way of saying I'm not supporting any of this shit, I'm with the French as we are united Europeans and if they somehow need the Swedes support, we are there to help out.

Do you think that you stating your quite negative and left analytic status of your attitude to profile pictures is going to change jack shit or is it only the way of showing support over internet that is bothering you? If you're on Facebook trying to find solutions to this whole mess, you're honestly on the wrong page. It's social media. Do you expect brain experts and rocket engineers? Lol.

Kind of obvious, as soon it's about a western country everyone goes ape shit. No one gives a shit about let's say Iraq or Congo.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Que on November 17, 2015, 03:32:24 am
Kind of obvious, as soon it's about a western country everyone goes ape shit. No one gives a shit about let's say Iraq or Congo.
If your neighbor dies in cancer, do you care as much for John in Bangladesh who died the same day by the same cause? The distance is totally relevant.
 

Fun thing is that as soon as it all happened in Paris, all these lives in Iraq just made such an amazing impact on one another. The hypocrisy in its finest form.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Cofiliano on November 17, 2015, 04:07:18 am
My knowledge will be facts. In 2014, 104 terrorist attacks were related to Islam or had Islamic "background", as in a religious group, person or someone taking responsibility. 121 terrorist attacks were not perpetrated by any group (unknown), yet 162 attacks in total did occur in the Arab world and 54 in Africa. 10 attacks in Asia and only 19 occurred in the rest of the world, India included.

This is pure stats and you can find the source of each attack if you would like to look a bit on statistical sites, but my point is - Islam as a religion and the believers need to condemn all kinds of extreme Islam, because it's a growing "side" division of Islam.
Actually its not a growing side. Muslims all over the world are being witch hunted and targeted as a terrorist religions freaks for decades now, and they are the biggest victims of those radical groups. So if someone is full of those morons, its the true muslims people who are sick of it, hence why you can't find any "bigger" support to that "radical ideology" among muslim people or goverments of muslims countries. Al Quaida, ISIS, Boko Haram, etc they are all really really small groups who were made by foreign interest to hire mercenaries and develop a respectable army force. They're nothing more then  a toll being used in the global geo-political game to acomplish mostly western interests.
So it might be a growing thing, but among mercenaries, 'human rights' organizations, and other proxies that are used to fund and organized them, not among muslims.  (Excluding few countries who are supporting and financing ISIS under the radar, but not for the reason they share their ideology, yet it suits their interests)
This including the oppression towards women, especially in the Arabian peninsula, where women cannot even drive vehicles or people (as couple) holding each others hands without getting fined or arrested. You can't take away the fact that most of the Muslim population is far beyond in the development when it comes to adapting to a more democratic and more humane world. And that's my biggest concern when it comes to Islam.
You're talking about Saudi Arabia, and few smaller city/countries around them, not Arabian peninsula, which is a big difference. Fun fact is, that those countries are the only muslim allies USA  has in the region and they dont have a problem with their radical sheriat law like the examples of cuttting off heads/hands you mentioned. While the countries who've been secular, civilized and gave full rights to women's even before some European countries, with a huge amount of high educated people, big middle class, and a fantastic life standard comparing to its region, are completely destroyed and ruined for good with millions refuges, and casualties almost close to it. Its Syria I'm talking about.

As for democracy, that's one of the biggest lies that doesn't even work out in the Western world, not to mention among countries of middle east that have completely different culture and mentality of living.
You simply can't push your own values and things you consider to be the ultimate good, into a completely different cultural and political community. Simply because it doesn't fit, its like putting a USB in a DVD ROM, you'll just create chaos, anarchy, divided country and never ending civil war, and of course at the end, millions of radical groups, among which some unites to form ISIS. Sounds familiar?

Just look what it did to a fantastic country like Libya was. Scandinavian life standard and social security, GDP rising up like mad every year, 95 percent of people employed those who aren't were getting paychecks like they are working, free houses/appartments for young married couples, instant jobs for people after colleagues,  nobel prize winning in turning deserts into agriculture land, to a devastated, poor, ruined, erased conutry, with millions of deaths, and millions of refugese. Lybia doesn't even exist anymore as a country.
And for what goal was this done to such an amazing country? Promote democracy?
Nah mate its all bullshit, and neocolonialism.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Que on November 17, 2015, 04:39:54 am
Actually its not a growing side. Muslims all over the world are being witch hunted and targeted as a terrorist religions freaks for decades now, and they are the biggest victims of those radical groups. So if someone is full of those morons, its the true muslims people who are sick of it, hence why you can't find any "bigger" support to that "radical ideology" among muslim people or goverments of muslims countries.
Religion in general is slowly decreasing by time as people are getting more educated. This counts for all. The radical side is growing as well as the quantity of attacks are increasing and making a lot more damage to the African continent as well as the Arab world. Countries as Nigeria, Somalia, Iraq, Somalia, Syria (of course) and Lebanon are taking the worst hits if you take the statistics from 2014. I think we both know what trigger most of it, and yes, I am sick of U.S.A. always invading countries for its own benefits.

You're talking about Saudi Arabia, and few smaller city/countries around them, not Arabian peninsula, which is a big difference. Fun fact is, that those countries are the only muslim allies USA  has in the region and they dont have a problem with their radical sheriat law like the examples of cuttting off heads/hands you mentioned.
Yeah, and Saudi Arabia is even in the U.N.
Amazingly, these countries has only been questioned by Sweden's minister of foreign affairs. This is a global problem and should be taken seriously. It's not the stone age anymore and it has to change. It's not humane and it's absolutely not right.

The problem with this 'immigrational' wave that is currently making Europe to a big field of immigrants seeking for better lives and running from war is giving us big issues in further development and does us no good in the way of prohibiting the 'bad' definition of Islam, because the suburbs are already filled with it right now. Take Molenbeek, Paris or even Gothenburg as examples of years of mistakes when it comes to the integration process. It takes approximately eight years for a refugee to get a job in Sweden. Imagine how many people we let in the last years and imagine the cost the country will take for it. We are the one to blame, though. Idiotic politics who cannot see their own limits.

And it's Europe who made these illegal ways, making refugees taking dangerous boat trips instead of just giving them visa and let them fly safely, for a cheaper amount of money. It's all politics and they know what they are doing, yet they are trying to play good and pretend to be angels while they are the main reason people are drowning in the Mediterranean sea.

While the countries who've been secular, civilized and gave full rights to women's even before some European countries, with a huge amount of high educated people, big middle class, and a fantastic life standard comparing to its region, are completely destroyed and ruined for good with millions refuges, and casualties almost close to it. Its Syria I'm talking about.
You're wrong about Syria though. If you compare Syria to its relative countries, the ones close to it, Syria has the lowest educational process within the region. If you compare their education to Iran or even Iraq, they are way behind.

As for refugees, there's this lie that they are all well educated doctors and chemists or any other title the media like to put up. The thing is that only 10% of the refugees entering Sweden between 2009-2014 from Syria had any kind of university degree. 37% of the ones from Iran entering Sweden had good university degrees while 20% from Iraq had the same.

As for democracy, that's one of the biggest lies that doesn't even work out in the Western world, not to mention among countries of middle east that have completely different culture and mentality of living.
You simply can't push your own values and things you consider to be the ultimate good, into a completely different cultural and political community. Simply because it doesn't fit, its like putting a USB in a DVD ROM, you'll just create chaos, anarchy, divided country and never ending civil war, and of course at the end, millions of radical groups, among which some unites to form ISIS. Sounds familiar?
I get you and you have a point. But I do think that respect to each gender should be the same and people should be able to present themselves in each way they want without getting stoned to death. I think that time is over now. Feels a bit pasé.

Just look what it did to a fantastic country like Libya was. Scandinavian life standard and social security, GDP rising up like mad every year, 95 percent of people employed those who aren't were getting paychecks like they are working, free houses/appartments for young married couples, instant jobs for people after colleagues,  nobel prize winning in turning deserts into agriculture land, to a devastated, poor, ruined, erased conutry, with millions of deaths, and millions of refugese. Lybia doesn't even exist anymore as a country.
And for what goal was this done to such an amazing country? Promote democracy?
Nah mate its all bullshit, and neocolonialism.
I'm not supporting U.S.A.'s highly dysfunctional ways of handling other countries' internal businesses by gaining land and taking over shit. Even that's pasé and an outdated version of a functional system.
Title: Re: The tragedy in Paris causes paranoia in Lithuania
Post by: Archie on November 17, 2015, 06:35:47 am
No. Like Teddy said in the previous topic, we won't allow those kinds of topics as we clearly see how it's gonna end up. We are going to be more stricter in this board.
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