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Title: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Huntsman on November 19, 2015, 10:46:21 pm
Vilnius Police have detained a mentally ill man for drug related crime. As some of you might know, Lithuanian police of the capital Vilnius has been issued AK47's since the Paris attacks.
Under circumstances still uknown to the public, this handcuffed psychopath somehow managed to steal an AK47 and escaped the police vehicle. The police officers lost him.

The entire Lithuanian police force was risen on high alert. Over 3000 police officers, including the Lithuanian anti-terrorist force ARAS started a manhunt that lasted 5 hours.

After five hours search, the suspect was finally found and detained. No people were harmed, thankfully.

This is not the only incident regarding the issue of AK47's to the Lithuanian police. Few days ago a police officer has somehow managed to accidentally shoot a homeless man to the leg.

The General Commissoneer of the Lithuanian Police has stated that those officers whose carelessness has lead to such a risky accident that could have led to far more serious consequences will have to answer for unlawful neglect.

You can find more information in English on its Reddit topic:

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/3tgp5h/vilnius_lithuania_a_detained_mentally_ill/

Media:

Police manhunt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBSfaTwlTAw

Photos can be found here (just scroll down):
http://www.15min.lt/naujiena/aktualu/nusikaltimaiirnelaimes/policijos-pajegos-skuba-i-pelesos-gatve-manoma-kad-sulaikytas-igoris-molotkovas-59-544231#_

Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Huntsman on November 19, 2015, 10:50:57 pm
UPDATE:

Minister of Internal Affairs has facepalmed on the public TV, called the entire incident "pathetic".
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Marcell on November 19, 2015, 11:31:45 pm
lol....this is what happens when modern european police train firearms usage once per year just to go through some qualification test
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Salmonella on November 19, 2015, 11:34:06 pm
lmao issueing AK47 is a pretty big joke

other than that it just looks like the officers weren't following procedure because this guy shouldn't have been able to grab it of course
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: AK47 on November 20, 2015, 12:05:21 am
AK47, you guys till in the mid-1900?
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Marcell on November 20, 2015, 12:55:21 am
AK47, you guys till in the mid-1900?
and what difference does it make if it's AR or AK? the general engangement ranges for cops will be most likely less than 150 meters most of times, as long as it's not a handgun it's good cause handgun accuracy statistically is 13% in shootouts..... unless you just mean the incorrect use of 'AK47' name, since those don't exist anymore and it's more likely just an AK or AKM.

Also I wouldn't say issuing AKs was a mistake, it's a very justified and smart move - first of all in case of an terrorist attack, a policeman with just a handgun poses virtually NO threat to a terrorist armed with a rifle-caliber weapon, unless his marksmanship is on a marvellous level - but it won't be, because european cops don't train as much as american cops do. The best example is that FBI shootout that happened in the 70s, 4 FBI agents with handguns and one shotgun vs a suspect with Ruger Mini-14. Spoiler: he wiped them all out except for one I believe. The most important thing is the intimidation factor however, a terrorist would be more prone to hestitate knowing that cops can actually fight back properly. I'd like to remind you all of the Charlie Hebdo incident (or w.e the fuck its called) where the cops outside just got obliterated as they only had handguns and barely any training, further proving my thesis
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Mikal on November 20, 2015, 12:59:04 am
lol....this is what happens when modern european police train firearms usage once per year just to go through some qualification test
Aye, don't put this on all of Europe, most European countries have highly trained and professional police forces.

and what difference does it make if it's AR or AK? the general engangement ranges for cops will be most likely less than 150 meters most of times, as long as it's not a handgun it's good cause handgun accuracy statistically is 13% in shootouts..... unless you just mean the incorrect use of 'AK47' name, since those don't exist anymore and it's more likely just an AK or AKM.
It's still an old gun mainly used by pirates, terrorists and rebels. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Mang on November 20, 2015, 01:01:28 am
Idk who thought it was a good idea to issue assault rifles to most of the police, there's really no need for it and the cops are unqualified to keep and use them... It's beyond me how some random drug addict who was HANDCUFFED managed to steal an AK and escape from custody.....

P.S. It's most definitely not an AK47, just that the press doesn't really differentiate between weapons. It's probably an AKS-74U.
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Marcell on November 20, 2015, 01:03:03 am
Aye, don't put this on all of Europe, most European countries have highly trained and professional police forces.
It's still an old gun mainly used by pirates, terrorists and rebels. :rolleyes:
Especially UK with how cops have to wait for armed backup if there's a gunman, and have to use trashcan bins in self protection against attackers with knives, am I rite?
And yeah my bad, I just meant it's not produced anymore, not non-existent. Except for the khyber-pass copies still being made of course
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Vaeldious on November 20, 2015, 01:13:14 am
#USA Chiming in.

Since the Hollywood Shootout of (i think) the 90's, US police officers have been upgraded to assault rifles. The standards and core values remain the same, if there is an asshole or group of em, then by all means, especially if s/he is threatening the lives of innocents or those sworn to protect.

Maybe I took my oath seriously, but I swore for COUNTRY, not people. People are antagonistic and disappointing as a whole, but within individually, worth protecting. I can't speak for the UK, nor its politics, nor its policement. Most notably, after such a tragedy.

What remains when you detract all social, political, and selfish motives; what remains is people. We are all creatures of sin, and it should be expected. The gray line is the difference between protection and freedom. Every human being is ENTITLED to compassion, and social engineering is one of the greatest threats known to humankind. Our thoughts shouldn't be blame, or to declare responsibility; in fact, it should be to better ourselves as a whole.

Hackers Manifesto phrased it best, from the year I was berthed unto this world, and I apologize if I take it out of context:

"...After all, we're all alike."
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Mikal on November 20, 2015, 01:21:21 am
Especially UK with how cops have to wait for armed backup if there's a gunman, and have to use trashcan bins in self protection against attackers with knives, am I rite?
And how did that situation end? Good, nobody injured, just a cop who got some pepper spray in his own eyes.

The UK's cops don't carry guns all the time making it hard for them to be exactly where they need to be when something does happen, but every force has it's own highly trained firearms unit, I guess it's better to have cops with guns who know what they're doing than every cop with a gun and losing it to, you know, mentally ill people...

Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Huntsman on November 20, 2015, 11:38:28 am
And how did that situation end? Good, nobody injured, just a cop who got some pepper spray in his own eyes.

The UK's cops don't carry guns all the time making it hard for them to be exactly where they need to be when something does happen, but every force has it's own highly trained firearms unit, I guess it's better to have cops with guns who know what they're doing than every cop with a gun and losing it to, you know, mentally ill people...

You are judging the entire police force by a mistake of one man. It is understandable that they do not know how to act with the assault rifle properly, there really has not been a need for one in Lithuania. Lithuania is a very peaceful country and police officers rarely have to use a firearm. All their need for their job is physical strength, and in very few cases, taser, since the worst they deal with are aggressive drunks. And unlike the US cops, our cops are actually physically fit and they dont need to grab for a gun everytime someone shows signs of non compliance. :D
As a Police Volunteer in Kretinga County, I've observed some officers voluntarily refusing to carry their firearms.
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Huntsman on November 20, 2015, 12:17:26 pm
BUSTED

(http://gs.delfi.lt/images/pix/520x345/yKRQvx7q0NU/suemimas-69626854.jpg)
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: RizzE. on November 20, 2015, 12:27:05 pm
Ak-47 Is one of the best assault rifles ever made. So what if they use them? They never jam
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Mikal on November 20, 2015, 12:55:36 pm
You are judging the entire police force by a mistake of one man. It is understandable that they do not know how to act with the assault rifle properly, there really has not been a need for one in Lithuania. Lithuania is a very peaceful country and police officers rarely have to use a firearm. All their need for their job is physical strength, and in very few cases, taser, since the worst they deal with are aggressive drunks. And unlike the US cops, our cops are actually physically fit and they dont need to grab for a gun everytime someone shows signs of non compliance. :D
As a Police Volunteer in Kretinga County, I've observed some officers voluntarily refusing to carry their firearms.
So you b!tch at me about judging an entire police force because of one man then you admit yourself the entire police force has been issued equipment which they don't know how to use, if they don't know how to keep their weapons safe they shouldn't have them and it's as simple as that, I think your govt has over-estimated how much of a target Lithuania actually is and really overreacted just to look like a special little flower, seriously right now I think the UK is the 2nd biggest target after France and yet I have not seen a single cop with a gun, anywhere, meanwhile all cops in Lithuania have been issued assault rifles... You have to question your governments professionalism in a time like that, especially when one of the assault rifles ends up in the hands of a so-called mentally ill man, you might aswell tell your cops to give their guns to terrorists, atleast then they would have done it on purpose and not lost them. :lol:

BUSTED

(http://gs.delfi.lt/images/pix/520x345/yKRQvx7q0NU/suemimas-69626854.jpg)
3,000 cops put on alert over this guy? Looks like he should be down at the market selling fruit.

Ak-47 Is one of the best assault rifles ever made. So what if they use them? They never jam
:lol: Meanwhile in Paris, video emerges of two women escaping death as the terrorists AK-47 jammed as he prepared to fire... gg
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Huntsman on November 20, 2015, 01:42:41 pm
Are you seriously saying that police shouldn't have thrown heavy forces into catching the guy just because of his looks?
He had a f**cking AK47 - fully loaded. was mentally ill and was wandering the streets in the middle of the night. Ofcourse a high amount of assets will be thrown into his manhunt.

Lithuanian police officers work for MINIMUM WAGE (a little more than 300 EUR), and with the salary they receive, they are doing a hell of a good job. Lithuanian Police is always the second most trusted institution in Lithuania, the first one being the Presidents institution, when the polls of trust are published. They are very professional, and unlike in most countries, they hardly even draw their guns, even when facing dangerous suspects. While UK cops call for three patrol cars over a drunk with a knife, one Lithuanian cop does the job bare handed. Now one cop makes a mistake, everyone looses their mind. Shit like this happens all over the world everyday, it has been of great public attention in Lithuania though, because stuff like this is a extremely rare occurence here, hence all the attention.


Refrain yourself from posting those kinds of provocative comments - Archie
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Mikal on November 20, 2015, 02:01:29 pm
Are you seriously saying that police shouldn't have thrown heavy forces into catching the guy just because of his looks?
No I'm just saying putting 3,000 cops on 'high alert' over someone who doesn't look mental and probably didn't have any intention of using the gun is stupid.

He had a f**cking AK47 - fully loaded. was mentally ill and was wandering the streets in the middle of the night. Ofcourse a high amount of assets will be thrown into his manhunt.
Jesus, you really are reinforceing the stereotype about Western ignorance...
He had a fully loaded AK-47, given to him by a cop, and probably didn't know how to use it.
And wow, he looks real mental doesn't he?

Lithuanian police officers work for MINIMUM WAGE (a little more than 300 EUR), and with the salary they receive, they are doing a hell of a good job.
That leaves me wondering why you're so patriotic about Lithuania, a country which pays people who risk their lives for civilians a toilet cleaners wage.

They are very professional, and unlike in most countries, they hardly even draw their guns, even when facing dangerous suspects.
Probably because it's hard to draw a gun when you don't have one, because you've lost it to some 'mentally ill' guy...

While UK cops call for three patrol cars over a drunk with a knife, one Lithuanian cop does the job bare handed.
Err, not sure what your point you're trying to make here, if you guys send only 1 cop to deal with someone armed with a knife you need a big reality check and whoever is in-charge of your police force(s) needs to be fired.

But sure, I'll accept that you for some reason think Lithuanian's are big powerful supermen more skilled than every other human on the planet...

Now one cop makes a mistake, everyone looses their mind. Shit like this happens all over the world everyday, it has been of great public attention in Lithuania though, because stuff like this is a extremely rare occurence here, hence all the attention.
If the general public in your country think a cop losing his gun to a mental man is worthy of positive attention they also need a reality check, where I come from the cop would be taken out of service and a serious investigation undertaken, and the public certainly wouldn't be giving any positive attention.

I'll just leave this here so you can see some real armed police skill, the speed of that withdraw after 0:40, damn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehzq9OdE2w0
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: AK47 on November 20, 2015, 02:17:58 pm
Dude you need to step down from the "Lithuania is the almighty country"
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Archie on November 20, 2015, 02:31:36 pm
Topic cleaned from provocative posts, try to be polite and act mature if you're making comments.
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Huntsman on November 20, 2015, 04:29:28 pm
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No I'm just saying putting 3,000 cops on 'high alert' over someone who doesn't look mental and probably didn't have any intention of using the gun is stupid.
Oh, so you are a mental doctor now?
He does not look mental. He IS mental. He has records of mental disorders, and it is better to be safe then sorry.

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He had a fully loaded AK-47, given to him by a cop, and probably didn't know how to use it.
And wow, he looks real mental doesn't he?
Because it really takes a lot of brain to lower the safety and pull a trigger.

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Probably because it's hard to draw a gun when you don't have one, because you've lost it to some 'mentally ill' guy...
At this point I am not sure if you are stupid and can't read, or just plain ignorant. I already told you that the guy took the AK47 from the back of the car while the police were not paying attention. He then threatened both cops with the AK and then ran off.

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Err, not sure what your point you're trying to make here, if you guys send only 1 cop to deal with someone armed with a knife you need a big reality check and whoever is in-charge of your police force(s) needs to be fired.
Or maybe because our police officers are not fat ass slobs who sit in McDonalds every five minutes and are actually able to handle themselves and are physically fit for the job, and some staggering drunk guy is hardly a threat to them?

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If the general public in your country think a cop losing his gun to a mental man is worthy of positive attention they also need a reality check, where I come from the cop would be taken out of service and a serious investigation undertaken, and the public certainly wouldn't be giving any positive attention.
Where did you get that from? Where did I say this got positive attention? Minister of Internal Affairs has just resigned over this, the President has called the entire situation pathetic, everyone is facepalming. How is that positive attention?

You fail to understand that Lithuanian police is very professional. It was a mistake of one careless officer that has caused the incident. Shootings rarely happen here, hence why police officers are hesitant to even draw a gun. Not to mention that the laws regarding gun discharge are extremely stupid. Even if an officer uses a gun against someone who's a threat to him, there still is quite a chance he will be sued and such. Just recently Lithuanian Border Patrol opened fire on two smugglers and hit one in the back. They failed to stop after several warnings, yet those who fired the shots were fired and are facing charges of abuse of a duty firearm. If this happened in the UK or the US, what would have happened? The police would get away with it.

I am leaving a few references to how Lithuanian police work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0goGIgwWO4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt6nqL1qYLM
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Mikal on November 20, 2015, 04:35:53 pm
Dude you need to step down from the "Lithuania is the almighty country"
I agree.
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Huntsman on November 20, 2015, 04:40:32 pm
I agree.

You're the one to talk.  :hah:
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Mikal on November 20, 2015, 04:41:13 pm
You're the one to talk.  :hah:
Not sure what you're getting at...
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: TiMoN on November 20, 2015, 05:13:28 pm
You know what's drama? This topic.
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Dean. on November 21, 2015, 01:06:09 pm
Start showing some respect for each-other, for once. If you have a problem with something that someone's doing, tell them in private. Don't start slamming on them in public.

Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: RizzE. on November 21, 2015, 01:16:34 pm
:lol: Meanwhile in Paris, video emerges of two women escaping death as the terrorists AK-47 jammed as he prepared to fire... gg
Doubt it jammed. Probably out of ammo..
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Huntsman on November 22, 2015, 09:14:11 pm
Doubt it jammed. Probably out of ammo..

Anything might malfunction in a hands of a brainwashed ape  :bananav:
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Gandalf on November 24, 2015, 08:38:35 pm
Anything might malfunction in a hands of a brainwashed ape  :bananav:
Remember that one for your girlfriend. (puts on flame proof suit and waits for moderator to ban him)
Title: Re: A mentally ill criminal steals AK47 in Lithuania - ridiculous drama
Post by: Huntsman on November 24, 2015, 08:45:06 pm
Remember that one for your girlfriend. (puts on flame proof suit and waits for moderator to ban him)

Hahahahahahahahaahahah I'm not even mad.
This made my evening  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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