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GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Luke on December 12, 2015, 09:27:39 pm

Title: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Luke on December 12, 2015, 09:27:39 pm
For the past few days we've had constant issues with the server.

- Constantly restarting after 30mins or even shorter
- Constantly getting "You are banned from the server"
- Long lag streaks and always de-syncing

Anyone able to diagnose it or give us a idea whats going on? Because currently the server is unplayable.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Rusty on December 12, 2015, 09:32:27 pm
ddos by butthurt kid
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Luke on December 12, 2015, 09:33:42 pm
ddos by butthurt kid

You've got to be kidding me, seriously?
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: MrTony on December 12, 2015, 09:35:10 pm
It's disturbing how any random pissed off 13 y/o can do this.  :neutral2:
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Rusty on December 12, 2015, 09:35:39 pm
You've got to be kidding me, seriously?

No joke.

Devin knows more just passing on what he's said to me.  We have been having trouble with him ban evading so guess he has switched to attacking the server.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Chase on December 12, 2015, 09:36:20 pm
I doubt it's DDoS. It's probably an exploit similar to the connection query flooder in previous SAMP version. The server should be able to mitigate average DDoS attacks with the host's DDoS mitigation hardware.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Luke on December 12, 2015, 09:40:45 pm
No joke.

Devin knows more just passing on what he's said to me.  We have been having trouble with him ban evading so guess he has switched to attacking the server.

Well his doing a brilliant job being able to play here, the more and more he does this shit the more and more he can stay where he is along with the rest of the butthurts, Its a shame that people have to use mummy's credit card to do things like this. Also I thought the server was able to cope with shitty little 1m/b ddos's.

I doubt it's DDoS. It's probably an exploit similar to the connection query flooder in previous SAMP version. The server should be able to mitigate average DDoS attacks with the host's DDoS mitigation hardware.

You do have a point, because unlike normal DDoS's we usually get constant lag then the desync and then it goes offline, with this, we will be alright and then its like someone just pulled your connection, just goes straight to the "connecting to server" screen.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Ivan_Dzeba on December 12, 2015, 09:45:08 pm
Yes, this is very annoying.

I had to go 3 times from the center of the Desert that is Area 51, to LS. And that pissed me off.

Someone should fix this, and if this is a DDoS attack, the attacker should be caught and jailed.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Devin on December 12, 2015, 09:45:38 pm
The server should be able to mitigate average DDoS attacks with the host's DDoS mitigation hardware.

Can't go into detail but it makes no difference with the current setup.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Mikal on December 12, 2015, 10:16:07 pm
I gave up trying and now I'll spend the next 3 hours window shopping computer parts on Amazon. :rage:
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Luke on December 12, 2015, 10:31:00 pm
I gave up trying and now I'll spend the next 3 hours window shopping computer parts on Amazon. :rage:

Funny enough, Me, Trane Link and Kaseem doing the same  :lol:
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: .Matthew. on December 12, 2015, 10:42:00 pm
I doubt it's DDoS. It's probably an exploit similar to the connection query flooder in previous SAMP version. The server should be able to mitigate average DDoS attacks with the host's DDoS mitigation hardware.
If Argonath doesn't use OVH's gaming dedicated server then the protection is useless, there are many ways to bypass the one by standard dedicated servers.
Gaming dedicated server has specially configured protection for the games.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Devin on December 12, 2015, 10:43:19 pm
Hopefully the crashing issues has now been resolved after some work by Mikro.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Luke on December 13, 2015, 12:05:27 am
If Argonath doesn't use OVH's gaming dedicated server then the protection is useless, there are many ways to bypass the one by standard dedicated servers.
Gaming dedicated server has specially configured protection for the games.

Didnt we all raise money for that before?
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Devin on December 13, 2015, 12:13:43 am
The game servers are hosted on an OVH server with DDOS protection. The type of protection however will need to be specified by the owner should they choose to release that sort of information.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Ivan_Dzeba on December 13, 2015, 09:50:38 pm
These issues are crossing the line.

I have noticed that they appear usually at 20:00 or 21:00 PM.

The server is unplayable with these conditions, and it is very annoying.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Rusty on December 13, 2015, 09:55:12 pm
Yeah we know that it's unplayable and currently down at the moment, until the attacks stop just going to need to rough it out for now.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Hudini on December 13, 2015, 10:41:30 pm
Yeah we know that it's unplayable and currently down at the moment, until the attacks stop just going to need to rough it out for now.

So why you are waiting for the attackers to stop attacking? since you can block his IP, otherwise I prefer to set it down so the people won't get more annoyed trying to join the servers.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: eymas on December 13, 2015, 10:47:47 pm
So why you are waiting for the attackers to stop attacking? since you can block his IP, otherwise I prefer to set it down so the people won't get more annoyed trying to join the servers.
Depending on what the attacker uses, he may have several dozens of IPs that are used to attack the server... blocking him won't always help except preventing access to the server from his own PC.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Hevar. on December 13, 2015, 11:50:23 pm
I doubt it's DDoS. It's probably an exploit similar to the connection query flooder in previous SAMP version. The server should be able to mitigate average DDoS attacks with the host's DDoS mitigation hardware.

Argonath needs Chase....give him scripter postion again, so he can fix a better shield or put more layers against DDOS attack.

And...forum should use cloudfare against attack toward forum in case it happend.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Devin on December 14, 2015, 12:19:49 am
So why you are waiting for the attackers to stop attacking? since you can block his IP, otherwise I prefer to set it down so the people won't get more annoyed trying to join the servers.

If only networking was that simple, sadly there are many reasons as to why blocking an IP address won't prevent an attack.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Rusty on December 14, 2015, 01:35:15 am
So why you are waiting for the attackers to stop attacking? since you can block his IP, otherwise I prefer to set it down so the people won't get more annoyed trying to join the servers.

Block one IP and they will come with others it's a endless cycle that doesn't get anywhere.  Will always be a way for someone to attack and annoy they will get bored soon enough and move on like all the others.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Mikal on December 14, 2015, 01:37:52 am
Can't their ISP be contacted if you have the attackers original IP address?
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Ivan_MC on December 14, 2015, 01:58:37 am
If only networking was that simple
^
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Rusty on December 14, 2015, 02:05:34 am
Can't their ISP be contacted if you have the attackers original IP address?

That's if they even did the attack themselves and not using some booter off a website for $5.  If they did use their own IP which is very unlikely then they are world's dumbest and yes you could contact ISP and maybe even the law with proof and have them arrested.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Mikal on December 14, 2015, 02:14:53 am
That's if they even did the attack themselves and not using some booter off a website for $5.  If they did use their own IP which is very unlikely then they are world's dumbest and yes you could contact ISP and maybe even the law with proof and have them arrested.
In other words, this won't stop till they get bored? :(
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Conk on December 14, 2015, 02:21:42 am
In other words, this won't stop till they get bored? :(

Show them where to shove their attacks Mikal, we believe in you  :war:
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Rusty on December 14, 2015, 02:22:41 am
In other words, this won't stop till they get bored? :(

We had attacks before and they went on for days and eventually stopped.  See what Teddy has to say he might be able to configure something to help unless that is a Gandalf only area.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Mikal on December 14, 2015, 02:31:09 am
Show them where to shove their attacks Mikal, we believe in you  :war:
Ok, someone give me some RPG's IRL, I'll sort this shit out. :dead:

We had attacks before and they went on for days and eventually stopped.  See what Teddy has to say he might be able to configure something to help unless that is a Gandalf only area.
TBH I don't see how the attacker can be having any fun if nobody knows who he/she is, must be pretty boring watching all these people getting pissed off without anyone to rage about, unless it's some kid who actually think's he's 'bringing an end to Argonath'... :lol:
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Cofiliano on December 14, 2015, 03:22:09 am
That's if they even did the attack themselves and not using some booter off a website for $5.  If they did use their own IP which is very unlikely then they are world's dumbest and yes you could contact ISP and maybe even the law with proof and have them arrested.
I doubt that tho. It doesn't go so far in such situations even in the most strict laws in the western countries.
And somehow I have a feeling this guy ain't coming from a nearly strict country, when it comes to web law.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Brian on December 14, 2015, 07:10:34 am
There's a few new exploits going around samp which can explain the exact issues as you guys are describing. Not sure if it might be those or actual ddos attacks but just try to bare with it for now as no one can do anything about it.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Vaeldious on December 14, 2015, 08:00:31 am
If it is indeed SA-MP exploit based, than it's gonna be up to the Devs that created SA-MP, not just Argonath. I'd expect these kind of symptoms happening on other game servers, and expect to see a patch update like 0.3.8 soon.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: .Matthew. on December 14, 2015, 08:21:19 am
If it was an exploit then half of SA-MP forums would already be spammed about it and half of the servers down, like that one time there was an exploit and the attackers took down every single server.
It's an attack on the other layers of the host, and it can be simply filtered out properly if Argonath was using a gaming dedicated server, https://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/game/.
The other hosts will not filter out all the attacks that were specifically designed to take down a gaming server.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: MrTony on December 14, 2015, 08:23:44 am
What about a MAC address ban provided HQ knows who the attacker is?
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: SuchAnAngel on December 14, 2015, 10:00:17 am
Use Under Protection of Cloudfare.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Devin on December 14, 2015, 10:07:57 am
What about a MAC address ban provided HQ knows who the attacker is?

Not possible because Kye, MTA allows you to access the clients MAC but yeah.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: eymas on December 14, 2015, 11:01:30 am
Regrettably, mac spoofing also exists.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Mikal on December 14, 2015, 09:07:17 pm
Just a note, the server randomly said:

"Vehicle script unloaded."
"Server closed connection."

Not sure if it's related to the attacks but a script randomly being 'unloaded' before the server goes offline sounds odd...
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Devin on December 14, 2015, 09:09:53 pm
The server was restarted.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Mikal on December 14, 2015, 09:10:22 pm
The server was restarted.
Oh ok, seemed related as I was lagging a bit before, also didn't see any restart message.
Title: Re: Disgusting server issues
Post by: Teddy on December 14, 2015, 09:47:25 pm
A viable solution against these kinds of attacks is in the works but won't be implemented until next year unfortunately.
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