Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP Unban Requests => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP Closed Unban Requests => Topic started by: Whiteman on March 10, 2016, 03:09:34 pm
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Your in-game name:
Tatsuo Deguchi
Ban reason as was stated in-game:
Disrespecting staff/ruining gameplay
Admin who banned you:
Devin Seville
When you were banned:
9th of March
Additional notes:
I participated in the event created by Jonny OSullivan. It was a DD event, and I was in the middle of the action, getting rammed, but I stood still. My vehicle gets despawned for camping, this is where things started to go wrong, I was upset and used /report to call Jonny a "noob" (new player). I got tempbanned for it, which I understand. Now, I try to reconnect and for my surprise I found out that I had been punished for the same offence twice, one harsher than the other. Mr.Seville had banned me. When I tried to make Devin justify the ban through skype, I was called an infant and that I had ruined gameplay of others. I owe Jonny an apology for calling him a new player, was a mistake on my behalf due to situation boiling for me. The way Devin acted is questionable though, I am sorry if you hold some sort of grudge against me or if I have failed your expectations as a player.
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Seeing as you wish to bring in the Skype conversation out of context, here is the log for everyone to view.
As I said on Skype I have no reason to have any sort of grudge as you call it but believe what you want.
[2016/03/09 11:40:01 PM] Ronn Boss: Was it necessary to ban me after tempbanning?
[2016/03/09 11:40:19 PM] Devin: Was it necessary to misuse report and disrupt an event?
[2016/03/09 11:40:23 PM] Ronn Boss: Disrupt?
[2016/03/09 11:40:34 PM] Ronn Boss: Whose gameplay did I ruin?
[2016/03/09 11:40:50 PM] Ronn Boss: You sure this isn't some personal grudge?
[2016/03/09 11:41:11 PM] Ronn Boss: I got my punishment as a temban, I can't understand the ban.
[2016/03/09 11:41:17 PM] Devin: Why would I have a personal grudge?
You chose to act like an infant, I didn't make you do that.
[2016/03/09 11:41:48 PM] Ronn Boss: For calling someone "noob" I get flamed here and banned?
[2016/03/09 11:43:05 PM] Devin: That's hardly "flaming" but sure take it as you wish. You're welcome to deal with this in the unban request board.
[2016/03/09 11:43:15 PM] Devin: I hoped for better behaviour from a supposed "Mayor". I guess I was wrong.
[2016/03/09 11:43:38 PM] Ronn Boss: You are so full of it.
[2016/03/09 11:44:07 PM] Ronn Boss: is [email protected] still working? Who's handling those reports?
[2016/03/09 11:44:11 PM] Devin: Me.
[2016/03/09 11:44:15 PM] Ronn Boss: Haha, okey.
[2016/03/09 11:44:29 PM] Devin: You're welcome to post an unban request on the forum.
[2016/03/09 11:44:40 PM] Ronn Boss: Going to solve this another way.
[2016/03/09 11:44:50 PM] Ronn Boss: See if it works better.
[2016/03/09 11:44:54 PM] Devin: Another way? Right.
[2016/03/09 11:44:58 PM] Devin: Forums or nothing.
[2016/03/09 11:45:03 PM] Ronn Boss: Ok "boss".
[2016/03/09 11:45:45 PM] Ronn Boss: Community leader, pulling down the community itself and neutralizing the ones who try and create RP.
[2016/03/09 11:47:24 PM] Devin: Pulling things down? Okay trying to resolve the freeroam manner of players is totally ruining everything.
[2016/03/09 11:50:15 PM] Ronn Boss: You just saw an opportunity and you took it to ban me. That's some real hate ever since you started your DM group.
[2016/03/09 11:50:53 PM] Devin: You do realise I could have banned you for what you said to Emre alone?
[2016/03/09 11:54:08 PM] Ronn Boss: Would've been a better ban than this one.
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Care to explain why you punished me twice after I already had received my punishment? And whose gameplay I so hardly disrupted while being tempbanned? Thank you for saving me time putting the skype convo up here. Forums or nothing right?
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The tempban was revoked and replaced with a full ban based on your recent disruptive behaviour and attitude which is evident right here in this topic.
One example was the little chat between you and Delvin over a property on the 8th. Was your only intent to disrupt people over a property that was set?
Who said you "disrupted" game play while you were tempbanned, it was based on the actions at the derby after you were eliminated.
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Seeing as you wish to develop this. The tempban was issued for the behaviour that occoured, I do not understand how I could've been disruptive when I was not even able to play as I was tempbanned? My behaviour was caused by the heat of the moment and lasted for that moment only, when I called Jonny a "new player" this wasn't a permanent thing.
Did the hatred grew, when I found out that you have set a property against the regulations for your friend? I simply reported it to an administratior, sorry for exposing you, wasn't personal, as I had been trying to set the property for many times over the years.
To come back, the tempban was appropriate punishment enough for calling someone a "new player", a decision that an administrator took.
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Seeing as you wish to develop this. The tempban was issued for the behaviour that occoured, I do not understand how I could've been disruptive when I was not even able to play as I was tempbanned? My behaviour was caused by the heat of the moment and lasted for that moment only, when I called Jonny a "new player" this wasn't a permanent thing.
In case you didn't know, I was at the event and saw what was going on. Stop trying to play foolish and say you were banned for your actions while you were tempbanned. Your actions resulted in the punishment being changed from a tempban to a full ban based on your history and once the administrator actually knew what had happened and that you weren't just a random new player but a so called "veteran". This was in agreement between myself, rusty and the tempbanning administrator. This has nothing to do with a single party.
Did the hatred grew, when I found out that you have set a property against the regulations for your friend? I simply reported it to an administratior, sorry for exposing you, wasn't personal, as I had been trying to set the property for many times over the years.
I have no idea what "hatred" you speak of, to me it just seems like you are wishing for this to get closed as it's apparent you don't want to be unbanned. There is hardly anything against regulations you are not able to see regarding the property which was actually set by Rusty, for your information. You were however told by the player that an HQ member had set the property yet you continued to try and talk nonsense to the player that owns it and then waste a staff members time reporting a property that has nothing wrong with it.
To come back, the tempban was appropriate punishment enough for calling someone a "new player", a decision that an administrator took.
The tempban was issued without knowledge that the player misusing report and being a nuisance was an old player which is why the administrator asked to raise the punishment from a tempban to a full ban.
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Yes, I am a "so-called veteran" I've been here in this community for 9 years, I should know better not to act like an infant in the future.
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Sorry for the late response, have been busy the last few days.
As Devin quite rightly said, the decision to raise the punishment from a temporary ban to a full ban was a joint decision mainly suggested by myself when I found out you were not just a new player and in fact a veteran especially one that holds a valued and authoritative position in the community.
I'm not sure what your intentions were or what you expect to happen when you called me a noob but it was extremely childish.
I hope in future you think before you act and gather all the relevant facts before you start throwing accusations around about members of HQ as it will simply get you no where. However, apology accepted. It's up to HQ to decide your fate now.
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it will simply get you no where.
True that, I understand!
I hope the HQ decides in my favor, calling someone a noob in an anger isn't such a serious offence to keep me banned for months. I am also anxious to get back to my valued and authoritative position and bring roleplay on it's utmost highest quality.
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I was considering allowing you back rather soon but sadly you dig your own grave by the looks of it.
(http://i.imgur.com/K4tGQTO.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/vXdaJYY.jpg)
Actions like this really make me question why I was even considering to allow you back.
You want to say I have issues with you however to me and probably most of the players it looks like you have some sort of issue that results in you wanting to try dig up some sort of logs or information on me to support your claims.
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Your accusations are rather disturbing since you seem to lack evidence, or even knowledge yourself of such, but interestingly enough you seem quite calm spreading your personal unproven accusations around like some cheap whore.
Then you go around expecting to become a division leader of SA-MP? I mean. My god. "How fucked up is you?"
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As it seems I am far from an unban, I do not wish to get stamped as some lunatic, I will explain my doubts about this "impartialness".
it will simply get you no where.
Few months back, regarding the Emre topic, I was so-called "cyber-bullied". Photos from my facebook leaked to a skype conversation where Argonath players made fun of my pictures and another member of this community (Seskom). I was outraged, I had skype convos, even the photos about which the joke was about and witnesses (one of whom was Salmonella, who was part of the mocking aswell, he had the guts to come clean, sent me everything), Devin (HQ) did nothing, after receiving a confession, evidence and logs, simply because of siding with Emre on this (due to friend connections?) and on the opposite threatened to ban me for saying to Emre that I will smack him. I quote what you replied to me in skype: "Do you really want to say you're offended about people laughing about a photo out online publicly? Why give a shit about what they say?" According to that, Jonny shouldn't be offended about me calling him a noob.
Then you go around expecting to become a division leader of SA-MP? I mean. My god. "How fucked up is you?"
Did you honestly think that?
like some cheap whore.
As you all like to bring skype convos into this unban request.
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If you are doubting in the actions of Devin, why shouldn't I? You can not blame me for being investigative, though I have already accepted and understood that banning me actually was justified, I did not wish to get so extensive, you left me with no choice but to defend myself. I do not wish to pursue this topic any longer, all I want to do is roleplay.It's up to HQ to decide
- Dwight Cems.
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I brought up skype logs of you, not other parties. Man you are boring me with this nonsense.
What I can blame you for is being paranoid and obsessed with finding some sort of incriminating log whether that means going to staff members for supposed "inside stories" or others that have spoken with me. That's rather sad to see.
One does not defend themselves by throwing shit on others but defending their own actions, seems you failed to see that.
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Devin (HQ) did nothing, after receiving a confession, evidence and logs
I did nothing? For someone sending a message like "Loooool look at his clothing", is this kindergarden for god sake?
You posted the pictures of yourself on the internet, no one is to blame for laughing about them, and for your information I even had a word with the owner regarding it and his views were the same as mine regarding it.
You put those images of yourself online, don't make it our problem when someone makes a joke about it.
You also threatened to go to Emres house and assault him because of what Salmonella said which did NOT even line up with the logs you provided me, but I guess you forgot about that as you are the innocent one in every situation online.
And after seeing the logs you personally said to me it was stupid to get offended about it and that Salmonella made it sound worse than it was.
Don't you even think of digging up irrelevant shit in here as I am just about done with you.
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"Do you really want to say you're offended about people laughing about a photo out online publicly? Why give a shit about what they say?" According to that, Jonny shouldn't be offended about me calling him a noob.
And another out of context message by you, seems to be a common trait. He never put a photo online that you called him a "noob" about.
It's this simple thing called respecting those around you which you failed to do. Disrespecting staff for what? Eliminating you in an event they were personally holding for the entertainment of players? Come on.
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And to add to the Emre story;
[2016/01/07 6:44:13 PM] Devin: The photos are public I assume, I really can't see what's the problem? And as it took place on Skype how can we exactly deal with it?
[2016/01/07 6:46:37 PM] Ronn Boss: Salmonella wanted me to send them to you.
[2016/01/07 6:48:22 PM] Devin: Do you really want to say you're offended about people laughing about a photo put online publicly? Why give a shit about what they say?
[2016/01/07 6:49:47 PM] Ronn Boss: At first I did, but now I'm quite amused.
[2016/01/07 6:50:17 PM] Devin: Honestly seems like Salmonella threw gasoline on a pile of nothing and lit it.
[2016/01/07 6:51:51 PM] Ronn Boss: Indeed, what'd you say we leave this shit behind and hope to live on peacefully and enjoy roleplay.
[2016/01/07 7:02:16 PM] Devin: :D
[2016/01/07 7:02:27 PM] Devin: So I take it you now see why I said no to banning without actual evidence?
And what you said to Emre
[01:35:17] CMD -> Lawrence_Dentico (8) : /pm 3 You fucking making fun of me about my facebook shit?
[01:35:20] CMD -> Lawrence_Dentico (8) : /pm 3 IRL shit?
[01:35:35] CMD -> Lawrence_Dentico (8) : /pm 3 I should come down there and smack you, you fucking kid.
And all of this because Salmonella took the following logs out of context.
[10-8-2015 15:00:05] Emre: LOOOOOOOL SESKOM too
[10-8-2015 15:00:09] Emre: FIND RONN
[10-8-2015 15:00:18] Emre:
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I did nothing? For someone sending a message like "Loooool look at his clothing", is this kindergarden for god sake?
You posted the pictures of yourself on the internet, no one is to blame for laughing about them, and for your information I even had a word with the owner regarding it and his views were the same as mine regarding it.
You put those images of yourself online, don't make it our problem when someone makes a joke about it.
You also threatened to go to Emres house and assault him because of what Salmonella said which did NOT even line up with the logs you provided me, but I guess you forgot about that as you are the innocent one in every situation online.
This wasn't the only situation, this had been going on for months (IG & Skype), couldn't find out the exact dates, and I understand the HQ will not waste precious time looking up chatlogs from August over this, as it is "a needle in the haystack". I am sorry for having facebook, and the pictures are not public, they are restricted to friends, what Emre was at that time and decided to exploit it. Here's the moral to the rest of the community reading this: Be extra careful who you add to your RL, I've gained some great friends, but some of them might be using your RL shit and turn it against you, without you even realising it. I am glad I got this off my chest.
[2016/01/07 6:51:51 PM] Ronn Boss: Indeed, what'd you say we leave this shit behind and hope to live on peacefully and enjoy roleplay.
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So you blatantly ignore every point I made regarding your claims of being unjust, bias and impartial whilst trying to throw up more nonsense regarding Emre.
You came to me saying he was bullying you, you couldn't even provide me with evidence and you demanded that I banned him for these actions that has no actual evidence to support
You go on to saying that I am corrupt and I don't handle the cyberbullying attacks he did towards you whilst not even giving me anything to work with.
Don't blame us for you associating with others and those others making fun of odd looking photographs you have been tagged in or uploaded.
Seeing as you still insist I am bias, unfair, twisted and in favour of "friends", you have 24 hours to provide factual evidence of these claims or I will simply close this.
If you want to run your mouth back it up with evidence.
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Did you honestly think that?
Yes. I think you are mentally twisted if you think you can come here, throw accusations you hardly believe, have been fired twice from moderator and think you are even remotely eligible for such a high honor while you are still banned. Common sense isn't strong with this one.
As you all like to bring skype convos into this unban request.
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If you are doubting in the actions of Devin, why shouldn't I? You can not blame me for being investigative, though I have already accepted and understood that banning me actually was justified, I did not wish to get so extensive, you left me with no choice but to defend myself. I do not wish to pursue this topic any longer, all I want to do is roleplay.
There is so much context missing here. Yes, there are problems I've had with Devin and the way Devin handles things and yes I've spoken with Gandalf about them... but in the end me and Devin sorted out those issues and worked over them. I didn't go around throwing accusations around without any context or half a clue to back them up.
If you don't wish to pursue it, why bring it up? You started this vendetta when all you needed to do was resolve the ban at hand. You made this hole for yourself and you can continue to choke to death on the dirt you are now burring on top of yourself.
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Seeing as you still insist I am bias, unfair, twisted and in favour of "friends", you have 24 hours to provide factual evidence of these claims or I will simply close this.
Give me access to chatlogs :D But being serious, I do not insist that you are bias and in favor of "friends", I see I was being wrong - I was just trying to justify my doubts as I was being stamped as a lunatic.
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Give me access to chatlogs :D But being serious, I do not insist that you are bias and in favor of "friends", I see I was being wrong - I was just trying to justify my doubts as I was being stamped as a lunatic.
You are insisting a form of corruption without any basis to conclude such thought. You now try to back out and act like nothing is wrong. If you had doubts or suspicions of such you should've collected evidence before launching accusations in the first place publicly. This is common sense. If we suspect someone of hacking, we don't go and call them a hacker in /p, we silently watch and collect proof before taking action. It's not rocket science.
Good riddance I suppose. It's a pity really as I saw you as someone with potential then a few months ago you become friends with Sa... you know who and you all of a sudden derp out. Sad really.
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Give me access to chatlogs :D But being serious, I do not insist that you are bias and in favor of "friends", I see I was being wrong - I was just trying to justify my doubts as I was being stamped as a lunatic.
So now you have a totally different tone to;
Devin (HQ) did nothing, after receiving a confession, evidence and logs, simply because of siding with Emre on this (due to friend connections?)
The way Devin acted is questionable though, I am sorry if you hold some sort of grudge against me
Sometimes I question why I take certain players seriously. This is denied.
Feel free to post another topic and try again on the 1st of May 2016.